When they never take responsibility for anything they ever do
. . . yet gladly take credit for the good work of others.
I feel seen
Let's make them president.
“Well David, I will be honest with you. I do want the credit without any of the blame.”
Michael Scott
I understand it is just a product of good writing and acting, but Micheal was a world class POS.
"He said I was world-class. I think that meeting went well."
You might like this blog where some lawyers note the likely lawsuits that would result from the actions in a given episode of The Office.
*Never take responsibility for their fuckups, but will gladly take all the credit for things that go right.
They suppress the fuckups by any means necessary.
Oh usually they make the fuckups someone else’s fault and gaslight them into believing or guilt them for having a problem with it to begin with.
Reminds me of someone we all know and most of us wish we didn’t.
Have a roommate just like this
Yup! Dealt with those kinds of narcissists before too.
I have an older half sister that's exactly this. Probably due to her career as a hospice nurse so she's used to denying any responsibility for anything. But that bleeds over into her personal life, where even when it's obviously her fault she'll deny it and turn it around on you. Like her son broke your car by pulling on the mirror, so you drove the car too long and it was old so it wasn't his fault your car was old.
Doubt it’s the jobs fault, my dude. Your sister is just a narcissist.
Can’t upvote this enough
Sorry I’m just interested in the backstory that produced “probably due to her career as a hospice nurse so she’s used to denying any responsibility for anything”?
I think I took this differently than the other people commenting. Hospice is palliative care in which you know the end. Narcissist or not, If she takes personal responsibility for every person that passes, the guilt would bury her. I work in SUD treatment. Hearing a patient relapsed and/or passed away sucks, but it’s part of the job and you can only know you did the best you could for them. There needs to be some sort of buffer or you will crash
Most hospice nurses I know are some of the most caring and empathetic people anywhere in the medical field. Your sister's just using the narcissist playbook on you.
Even if they do admit it, they always have a preposterous excuse ready for it.
They don't treat their significant other with respect
A couple of colleagues and I were considering a business opportunity where we were going to partner with an investor. We had already been doing some business with his wife for years and she was the reason we were all at the table anyway. So as we got close to committing to the deal, the husband investor says that he doesnt see a fit for his wife in the new business and they had agreed she would bow out. We were shocked and asked for details and he basically was shitting on his wife for not being effective at business development which we were in total disagreement about.
We decided not to move forward just because of the way the guy treated his wife.
As someone going through something similar (with notable differences but still) as the wife, this hits hard
Hope you're doing well!
Good call! If he treated his wife that way, imagine what his business associates can expect.
They talk shit about all of their friends
"Huh, strange how this person talks shit behind everyone's back, I'm glad they don't do that to me."
I mentioned this to a friend recently when they wanted me to go with them to hang out with their group.
They constantly talk shit about other people. What makes you think they don't do the same about you when you're not around?
Friend got offended. "Those are my best friends! They wouldn't do that."
Ok.
I never thought leopard would eat MY face
Real friends talk shit to their friend’s faces.
True friends stab you in the front.
Real bros stab you in front of your partner.
In the butt..?
Question. I don't talk shit about my friends to other friends BUT I can't help but vent about them to my partner. Does that count?
Yeah, people saying this are taking a really hard stance. There's a difference between gossip and mentioning things that bug you.
IMO, if you tell every acquaintance everything you hate about your best friend? Bad. If you tell your best friend annoying things about acquaintances? That's fine.
I know someone like this. They are super nice and friendly with everyone that you wouldn't even suspect. The more they were around me, the more I realized how much they judge, critisize, mock and gossip about others behund their backs and not excluding the ones they call friends and even relatives. It's really bizarre how social and likeable they appear with others. Did a complete 180 on my views about them. It's the two-faced trait I can't stand in people. Unfortunately some have a poor radar when it comes to relationships and don't see people for what they are.
Up until recently I had an employer that fits this description.
True friends talk shit to your face, and compliment you behind your back.
"Those who gossip with you gossip of you."
I had a friend that did that. Every time someone would be out of earshot, the shit talking against that person would begin. Though, he seemed to get especially mean-spirited when my sister was subject of his ridicule. Of course, me being an idiot, I turned a blind eye to it almost every time. Needless to say, I learned the hard way that someone like that doesn't deserve my time or my friendship.
It all came to a head when, while rooming at my house, he accused my sister of stealing two bottles of alcohol that he claimed were his and his alone. Of course, his accusation didn't hold up because:
And when faced with those facts? He doubled down. Still called my sister a thief, and got others to harass her by falsely claiming she stole said bottles. I sided with my sister for obvious reasons. That was the end of a decade-long friendship.
Sad part is, he used to not be that way either. We used to be ride or die friends. But one of our mutual friends started becoming a shit person, and attempted to do something very heinous. I was appalled by this mutual's actions, and cut contact. While my (now former) friend, tried to justify it, and started taking after his bad behaviors. That was also how I found out he had been talking shit about me constantly behind my back. Apparently, no one actually liked me and only socialized with me out of pity.
Needless to say, I have a new, much better group of friends. Y'know, people who are actually good people. And he's become almost a social outcast for the most part. He tried only one time to reconnect, but I shut it down immediately. I'm not looking to reopen that line of communication. Not now, or ever. I hope his diet consists of nothing but whatever the British pass off as cuisine.
They weaponize kindness. Like they’ll do something ‘nice’ for you just so they can hold it over your head forever.
Faux kindness is such an under-recognised answer to this question. Narcissists in particular are great at wielding this weapon. And it hooks people: Oh, but she is so kind, she baked you a cake!
Sure, what about those hundreds of times she was using me though?
Fr like I’ll pay you back and then it’s done. You ain’t just do something small then acting like you risked your life for mine the rest of eternity
Growing up with a parent who does this, I have a hard time accepting gifts from people because I never know if there is an ulterior motive.
they claim you never thank them. but you did thank them literally seconds ago.
they claim you never help. but you did. again, literally seconds ago.
Omg tell me about it, had a “friend” in college. He was part of a group of friends of 7 people. He wasn’t really close to me, but did help me once with moving in my student times. I repayed him with food, beers and ofcourse making it a fun, not hard day. 5 years later, after only 1 moment of connection in years (the whole group kinda grew apart), he pushed me to call, it wasn’t an emergency but he needed me to call. Even when I told him, i couldn’t call, and asked to please just text me what was going on. He literally said: “since I helped you once with moving, you have to help me now, otherwise your not a good friend. You have to help me now since I got kicked out by my parents.” (Backstory: he also got fired from almost every job I knew he had for being to lazy/ careless/ rude or just in general useless.)
Mind you, the previous contact was while I was stuck at home due to a scoliosis that became so bad I could barely walk and when he came by he used our house (realized afterwards, as he fiest introduced the idea to “catch up”) as storage for a whole week, because he also didn’t have a place in the city we worked and studied at. Left his stinky wetsuit over every piece in the bathroom, his whole backpack and trash bag just trown in the hall. he completely overstayed his welcome when my partner and I repeatedly told him we were tired and wanted to call it a day, but he HAD TO WAIT for his other friends in the centre that he was going to party with, so he could meet up with them later, completely disregarding our boundaries and hospitality (still feel like he just used us for convenience, cause there was a serious lack of interest the whole night). He said he would pick his shit up the next day, but crossed several boundaries again in the communication and false promises that he kept making. Finally picked it up after a week, dumped it in front of him and was kinda done with him from there already. Back to the call, months later: He knew I was physically in a terrible shape and just tried to push me to help anyway. My other friends from the group also said: he knows your always trying to help everyone, thats why he called you first.
First time standing up for myself like this, but I told him he could kiss my ass, he knew I was physically the last person to call for moving and that I repayed him at the time. Friendship doesn’t work like this, because you did a thing, doesn’t mean you can pressure people in doing things for you. Thats not friendship. I told him I do feel sorry for him, but that I’m not responsible for his issues and he just needs to find someone else, that isn’t struggling physically, to help him. He got super angry and manipulative, but I just told him off, because I don’t appreciate “friends” to talk to me this way.
No problem with the end of this “friendship”, def learned from it.
This was my stepmum all over. She’d buy me expensive clothes I didn’t ask for, or need, and then threaten to take them back if I didn’t comply with what she wanted.
How they treat people seen as beneath them
If they view any people as beneath them.
Probably just wrong phrasing and meant people with less power than them
Hmmm... one time I was walking through the park minding my own business. This guy standing with his friends yelled at me "Do you f*cking think you're better than me, bitch?"
I didn't before, but now do and forever will, think I'm better than that guy.
Came here for this. How they treat people when they can get away with it, like being super rude to waitstaff is a giant red alert alarm bell. Hang around someone like this long enough, and it will turn around to you. There's a lot of different behaviors like this. When someone has a habit of acting out in various ways, always ask, "could I ever be in this picture?". If the answer is "yes," cut that person out of your life. Earnest word of warning.
Gossiping and mocking others behind their backs.
Doubling down instead of admitting to being wrong.
We saw lately a prime example of a person who always doubles down even when it's proven that they were obviously wrong.
Some people's ego is too high to admit any wrong
Then they act legitimately confused about why no one wants to be around them except for broken doormats or other assholes
Jerks to restaurant staff
Jerk as an adjective or a verb?
I guess either way… not great lol
I mean people who jerk at restaurant staff are definitely sex offenders and are automatically bad people
Depends if it's in private and consensual or not
Keep an eye out for opportunistic behavior. Notice if they use people and discard them. How do they treat their animals? Do they have long term relationships? Are they always a victim? These are signs of shit people.
Always being a victim is a big one
Always the victim or the hero
So true, SnickersDickVein
Ngl the vast majority of people in my life I’ve met do this
They’ll be friends for when they want something for 99% of people they meet and then never talk again until they want something and their “friends” are only doing the same thing but they keep super strict score and I just watch from the side
Sometimes I wish I was the same but I feel bad if I never intend to be their friend
Lots of people who are not narcissistic struggle with long term relationships, especially those who were raised by a narcissist
Or people who move a lot, or people who are just different. My wife and I don't have a lot of long term relationships (other than each other) because we are very different kind of people so we don't have much in common with other people which makes it near impossible to make friends.
Yes, thank you for acknowledging this. Also, sometimes people truly are victims… it’s almost as when one is raised in dysfunction they have trouble establishing boundaries and this makes them an easy target.
I don’t agree with the long term relationship part. Sometimes ppl need a little trial & error before they get a good understanding
The long-term relationships one is better seen as more of a green vs yellow flag thing than really being a red flag.
Having a lot of separate long-term relationships is almost always a green flag, especially if those people seem to be good people.
There are plently of healthy and valid reasons to NOT have a lot of long-term friends depending on one's life situation and experience. If one grew up around toxic people then it is good they are rid of them.
But, unfortunately, for people with significant issues oftentimes the fact that they have no friendships older than a couple years is going to be the only early sign you get that something is wrong under the hood.
People who have a habit of blowing up their personal relationships very rarely see it as them being the cause. It is related to the "drama follows me everywhere" concept.
Yeah I knew someone who’d act like their other friends were awful people and celebrate when they got humiliated or failed. She was getting off on making friends to try and destroy them. Glad I got away from her when I did. Her family treated her like she could do no wrong so when she did these things they’d reward her for it. She seemed to be in a habit of making friends and setting out to hurt them before dumping them and onto the next. I think she got a rush from pulling the wool over others eyes. One person she made friends with then kept telling her to meet her places to no show was convinced she’s lovely. Unfortunately she was a vulnerable adult and even after explaining to her she’s doing it on purpose she still believed they were her friend. Another she used and dumped and said horrible things about behind her back had absolutely no idea and thought she was a sweetheart. A lot of the people she did this to didn’t know until later she’d been accusing them of bullying or making fun of their appearances or setting them up because she would act like she loves you when around you.
When they’re kind to you but rude to people they don’t need.That’s all you need to know.
I know someone who brags about how they’re like this and wears it like a badge of honor. They’ve legit said “a person could be choking to death in front of me and I’d only help if I really liked the person. Otherwise, I’d just let them choke and die” (on top of them also only doing nice things for people just to hold the nice thing over the other person’s head if the other person can’t reciprocate for whatever reason)
They harm animals
Not a good person, this is a psychopath, pure evil.
You even think about wanting to harm a doggo and you are dead to me.
Idk. One time my dog jumped onto the counter and ate two dozen gingerbread cookies i had cooling on a back shelf. I had to take a deep breath and put her outside for that one because damn
If you catch a dog in the act of doing something bad or dangerous, negative reinforcement works.
If it happened 60 seconds prior they probably won't understand the correlation.
Positive reinforcement is much more effective because there are usually only a few actions you want while there are 1000s of behaviors you don't want. Your dog wants to make you happy because your her mom/dad and ou share your food and love.
They go around stabbing other people
Was about to say this. Dead giveaway
This comment killed me
It was a sharp remark
Definitely had a point
Ok but have you seen how good I look in my lucky stabbing hat?
Hey, easy with that! That’s my lucky stabbin’ hat!
What if they remain stationary while stabbing other people?
Yeah, I'm just standing here stabbing my knife like this so if you get stabbed it's YOUR FAULT
Do they ever do anything for you back?
And then when you stop doing all the nice things because youre drained dry, they make it a problem and still wont check up on you.
This is a really big one. Most people won't go out of their way for you.
If they only talk about themselves
And when they rarely speak of others it’s to talk shit about them
I think the two comments above cover the subject completely. Close the thread lol
Especially if they shut down when you talk about yourself.
My brother is like this. You could have a whole conversation with him and he will talk only about him and if you try to say something about you, it's like he didn't hear you, he just keeps talking.
Yesterday, her wife( who gave birth to their baby only few months ago) called me, distressed , that he has been cheating on her for months, possibly years. Hmmm
I would be careful about this one. It could also just be an indication of depression or not understanding how to make small talk properly.
Or having autism spectrum disorder which often means poor social skills and restrictive interests
Or adhd. We try to show others we understand by sharing a similar story.
As someone who has ADHD, I've had that issue of being accused of trying to make everything about myself when it's my way to try and relate to something someone else said.
I’m glad someone mentioned this —- I don’t think “talking about yourself” in this context, of making small talk or having conversational / social awkwardness is quite the same as the pathological patterns of behavior of someone who is self-obsessed and talks about themselves.
They can't ever admit that they are wrong, not even for a second. Everything becomes a debate where they just have to have the last word.
Ah, I see you’ve met my ex…
Your post gave me literal flashbacks! But this is true. People who lack accountability…. Stay farrrrrrr, far away from them. The mental gymnastics they will have you go through is just not worth it.
They keep asking people for things with no intention of giving back. Everyone needs help sometimes, but it's the takers that need a good kick in the face.
They want to control the actions of others as they believe they know better
This is a big one. People who generally project, control, refuse to recognize autonomy, and refuse accountability truly are bad people.
Edit: eh, "bad" is a strong word. I believe in Hanlons razor. Some people are truly ignorant, but the ignorant who are also arrogant are what I consider "unsavory" people.
For the person who got ran over, it makes no difference if the driver hit them by accident or on purpouse. Their recovery will be hard regardless.
They'll often straight up tell you.
"I don't deserve you." And I will never try to.
"I don't want to hurt you." But I will, if I benefit from it.
"I don't know why people hate me." I will find excuses for my bad actions and wonder why others won't tolerate it.
"Everyone in my life turned their backs on me." After they had enough of the crap I put them through.
i ignored this for the longest time but early in our friendship this girl was venting to me about about how people kept calling her mean or commenting that she was rude
my dumbass took YEARS to reach the same conclusion after trying to be empathetic to her situations/life experiences. insane to me that someone could receive such specific criticism and simply feign innocence and refuse to grow as a person
Same mistake. I empathized with a coworker who said everyone in her department didn't like her. She was going to get let go and I convinced my boss to take her in. Everyone in my department now also dislike her. When it smells like shit wherever you go, maybe check your shoes first. Sometimes, maybe the problem is you lol.
Ps. Now the people from the other department is teasing me lol. They were like "we almost got rid of her" lol.
My ex said he was “really good at manipulating people” if he “wanted to” before I ever dated him 🥀 not sure why I thought I would be the exception
They get upset when told no
When they don’t even attempt to empathize with others’ hardships, but expect the whole world to stop when something happens to them.
They constantly show zero empathy like when they make fun of other people’s pain, ignore boundaries, or don’t feel bad about hurting others.
But watch them suddenly become a preacher for empathy when someone does it to them in any form.
Observe how they treat pets
If they get political after failing art school
Not sure if Ben Shapiro or Hitler...
Yes
When they still associate and talk to your abuser.
Enablers are the worst. No spine.
At this point they're not even enablers, but straight up accomplices.
My ex was abusive, all our friends knew it but no one talked about it, and everyone was nice to him. Made me feel awful.
This. I remember my “friends” present when my ex gf physically assaulted me. They all spoke up and said to me that what she’d done was wrong but they directly said that they couldn’t tell her that because of how she would react. I broke up with her immediately following the incident (it wasn’t the first time something like this had happened and I realised that she was not even close to the person she had pretended to be when I fell in love with her). When she could no longer control me, she turned to manipulating the “friends” we shared and spread the worst lies and rumours about me. Our mutuals said that what she was doing was wrong… to me. Not a single one of the nearly 20 person friend group stood up to her and held her accountable for stuff they saw or heard. I blocked her and cut off every one of them a few months later when I realised that it wasn’t how friends acted and that their enablement allowed an abuser to thrive in a community where they knew there would be no consequences.
Always blaming someone else for everything.
Gaslighting.
That’s not a sign that someone is a bad person, you’re just fucking crazy.
They steal from others, disrespect homeless people, and emotionally, mentally, and/or physically abuse children and/or animals
They make everything about themselves, unnecessary dump all their emotional crap on others, and have a victim mindset
manipulative and/or emotional blackmail.
They hate on people they don't know
They talk negatively about someone as soon as the person leaves.
How they treat children, animals, disabled, and the elderly. Tell you everything you need to know
If you notice their relationships trend like this: Being involved with someone 24/7 constantly, then suddenly they are involved with someone else 24/7 constantly, the previous person is “bad.” Lather rinse repeat, over and over.
They don’t put their shopping cart back
Shopping cart theory is my favorite social theory that I 100% believe in
The way they treat wait staff tells me everything I need to know about them.
This is a hard one because liars and charmers will impress a crowd by how good they are to the waitress. Dated a charmer who would tip the waitress/bartender $20 but always needed me to cover his half of the bills.
Was just about to mention this. Threads like these make me wonder if there are people out there taking notes to better get by. I have few doubts about it, especially highly parroted examples such as this one.
It’s almost like a warning for “performers” to study up on and avoid doing.
When they keep crossing your boundaries and your gut says something’s off — trust it. Good people don’t make you question your own peace
Well it depends on the person.
Can you explain the last one a little more?
I'm curious myself,
my best guess is a salesman personality who is just extremly friendly and positive to the point of not ever being real with you and that is because they what something from you.
Often times, it can be someone who has become or been made aware of their bad behavior, so to silence or quell this reputation they will overcompensate with virtuous acts and tell virtuous stories of their virtuous behavior.
It’s meant to white wash.
Always the victim, somehow nothing is ever their fault. They also gaslight you into thinking theyre the victim.
Infidelity
I've been looking for this answer so I could enthusiastically agree.
Their "body count" doesn't refer to sex partners....
i need to again find the video of some grandpa who legit told the amount of lives he took when answering that question, before realising when he was actually asked
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They tell you they're not a good person.
Or they say- I don’t understand why no one likes me - I’m such a nice guy! In my experience the ones who claim to be nice are the worst.
Always talk about how they’re “living their truth” and “healing” and talking about haters
No one has used the word 'healing' as much as my ex-bestie.
She uses fake spiritual principles, karmic lessons, law of attraction, and healing to justify her crappy behaviour against me.
The way she talked, it almost felt like everyone on this planet is an a*****e and she was either right or the victim.
They kick people with special needs
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They treat servers / waitstaff / hospitality personnel badly.
Animal cruelty
Punching down.
Shitting on the poor, homeless, people working lower paying jobs, the mentally ill, people with developmental problems, people of other races, genders, etc.
When things go wrong in their life, it is always someone else’s fault.
They're mean to animals.
They make jabs at you and disguise it as a joke.
People who litter
They refuse to release Epstein’s list
They mistreat animals.
They call themselves an empath
Or they don't believe that gaslighting exists
Caring more about power and money than they do about human lives.
Lies
Not all lies are badly intended though. Sometimes people who have good intentions and mean no harm might learn to lie to protect themselves or fear of being judged. I have lied before because I was scared of being judged or for not being accepted for who I am. I always had good intentions and never wanted to hurt anyone.
However, thanks to my partner, I told him the truth and he still accepted me and loved me for who I am. So finally I felt comfortable to be fully open. I never wanted to lie- it was out of a defensive state of protection because I learned from my trauma that’s how to protect myself. I thought people wouldn’t understand my truth and not accept me. I’m glad that I finally met someone who I can be honest and open with
The people of the lie
Narcissistic personality
People always see others as a reflection of themselves.
So if the person is trying to trap you in one's words jokingly or as a threat, without you even playing any part, then you know..
I’ve found people that lack patience and don’t seem to listen to others are the worst. They’ve failed to see themselves as part of the universe but instead act as if they’re the center of it.
They bend people to their will with absolutely stellar manipulative skills.
Their adult children avoid them
Treat animals or view animals as property,
They don’t put the grocery cart back in the parking lot.
All their exes were “crazy”
Treating fast food, restaurant and other service workers like shit. Stay so far the fuck away from me.
They tailgate other drivers
How they treat people that perceive to be beneath them like retail staff waiters etc
They lack empathy; if they can sit in the presence of pain and/or suffering (big or small, mental or physical) and not be affected, or worse they are annoyed (contextually incongruent of course) then understand that this is not just a bad person but a destructive one, to themselves and others.
They intentionally hurt any Kind of animal
If someone says “I love gossip” to you the first day you meet them and wants you to give your first impressions on everyone in your class/group/office etc. don’t trust them. They will turn on you and gossip about you behind your back.
34 felonies and is a narcissistic sociopath con man with zero integrity.
They knew Epstein and are so unaware they say things like “she’s hot” concerning their own children.
Greedy
They cheat in their relationships
A lot of people here are misconstruing rude/obnoxious/ poor mannered people for bad/malicious people.
Talking shit about people doesn’t make you “bad” it makes you rude and distasteful, but let’s face it, almost every single one of us has gossiped or talked shit about someone.
Also, a good person will be the first to tell you that they are in fact not a good person. A good person is self aware of their own shortcomings and tries to change. But, I think there’s a gold standard for what makes someone “good” (which is highly subjective in and of itself) and I think that’s how they treat animals and children or people who are defenseless or uncared for.
Goodness comes with unrequited kindness and intrinsic compassion for people or beings less fortunate than themselves
Red hat, gold sneakers, fake Chinese watch.
How they treat animals.
Failure to use turn signals when driving
They don't use turn signals.
When you are just 1-on-1 with this person, they will act like they are your best friend or something, but AS SOON as you get into a group setting, they will be real quick to crap on you for God knows why, like they are trying to climb some social ladder or smth
And also the opposite to this. Really weirdly nice to you around others and treats you like you're nothing when it's just the two of you.
Had to cut off my best friend of 12 years for this.
She was always like this and alternated between treating me like shit in front of others, then turning sweet when it was just us, then treating me like shit when we were alone only to act sweet in front of people.
She'd call me names, belittle me, did that thing where she made the things I said or asked sound like the dumbest thing anyone could spit out in front of others, took me out to eat only to throw it in my face later when she demanded we do something I was uncomfortable with. Any "help" she has gotten me came with conditions I didn't know about until she applied them. Knew I was in recovery, said she'd cut me off if I relapsed, then proceeded to brag about the drugs she did, asked me to score her a bag a couple of times and even snorted in front of me with her group and sent me home after demanding I go out with her.
Snapped at me anytime I tried to set boundaries. Guilt tripped me and disregarded my discomfort with physical touch by spooning me or wanting to play with my hair. Gave me unsoliscited advice and blew up at me for not taking it. One-upped me when I was struggling. Said things like:"No offense, but your problems are on you for not solving them." She herself had the option to leave her abusive home, but didn't because she'd feel guilty and I never judged her for it, but she couldn't reciprocate that understanding.
Only in the last 2 years since I started doing therapy did I stop excusing her behaviour because I knew she had an abusive family. She was treated like that at home and I thought I helped her by letting her use me as an emotional punching bag. I've gone through many hardships as well and I never considered treating anyone like this, let alone a friend.
Last year, she snapped at me over something I had no control over, called me an idiot and I just never responded or answered her phone call again.
I think about her a lot and feel guilty for abandoning her abruptly, but I know I don't owe anyone permission to treat me this way.
Good on you. No offense but she sounds like a cunt
Eww that’s downright creepy
I've experienced an alternative where if it's the two of you they'll act like you're their best friend and show you lots of special attention but in a group setting (usually with their closer friends) they'll straight up ignore you and act like you aren't even there. A real friend shouldn't make you wonder if they really hate you or not.