BaldursGate3
What’s your favorite bad-aligned choice you make?
Even if you’re playing a good run, is there a choice that’s inherently evil, yet you still do it everytime?
For me it’s convincing that one goblin in Act 2 to go fetch me the stick.
Discussion
Murdering the noisy spell casters outside Sorcerous Sundries.
I did that once but then the area seemed far quieter and less…well, alive, when there’s no longer a crowd gathered to watch them. So I haven’t done it again.
Kill the magicians and put the party bard (or two) in their place. It’s how I got the busker achievement
If you walk by with the resonance stone, they'll stop temporarily so you get the best of both worlds
I’ve wanted to do that so badly
It was so satisfying when we did it. Just one barrel in the right place (where they throw a fire bolt at the summoned cat)
Really? I like them. I feel like they make the area feel more realistic
I enjoyed blowing them up with like, 42 smoke powder barrels 💅
I always push that one duergar off the boat on my way to Grymforge, steal Philoomen’s explosive barrel and vial, sleep with Haarlep most of the time to tell Raphael how much he sucks in bed, and troll the “hag survivors” by shouting “BAA I’LL EAT YOUR SOULS!!!”
Omg throwing that dude off the boat is the best fun a girl can have
YES!! I love that silly little scene so much that I sometimes watch it on Youtube, too. Its your mc with a straight face, without saying anything at all, pushing the dude off the boat and he bounces off the corner before the final “splash”! then the little “Astarion approves” flair is the cherry on top
Is there any way to pickpocket the sword ahead of time or is it just a small price to pay for that scene
The bodies actually wash up at the shore after the fight, so afaik you don’t lose loot for tossing duergar into the water in this specific fight lol
Only the bodies you push during the fight, if you push the corsair during the dialogue he's just gone saddly :/
If you push the duergar into the lake during the cutscene his body specifically will not wash up. That's the price to pay for picking that option over attack
Which shore? (Potentially dumb question)
Where the two duergar are throwing bodies into the water I think
If you push him off during the cutscene, you can't loot him. So, I run the scene out, then have Karlach suplex him into the water.
FYI: out-of-scene dunkards can be looted on the beach south of the boat's dock.
They said "bad" aligned.
Convincing Kar'niss to give his Moonlantern to me, then sending him and his group off on their merry way into the Shadow-Cursed lands, telling him his faith in the Absolute will protect them.
I think the screams happen about six seconds later but haven't timed it exactly.
Pure unadulterated evil. I love it.
I did that my first playthrough and have continued every time since. It’s so satisfying
I don't think that it is an evil choice. For me it's avoiding the fight to keep all harpers of my squad alive.
For story purposes, I absolutely agree. But knowing how deadly the Shadow-Cursed Lands are, and still convincing Kar'niss and his squad to basically sign their own death warrant had me like, "Daaaaaaang, that's cold." XD
I discovered this for the first time last night and was very satisfied!
I always do this too 😂
Intentionally blowing up Baelen in the bibberbang field 😂
I usually let him die of poisoning while I grab the noblestalk with a handy potion of poison resistance.
That being said, blowing him up is infinitly more fun.
You can use Sovereign Glut to navigate through the Bibberbang field (he won’t detonate any mushrooms), and bring the Noblestalk to you by slowing moving it your direction.
You can chose to save Baelen by moving his bag closer to him using Glut as well :P
Mage Hand is also useful for this and is my go to.
Oh no, I slipped and Eldritch Blasted him.... Oh look a scroll!
I rescue him so I get the gloves. Then I carry him away, where he may have a little accident and fall down a chasm. Very sad.
I have literally always attempted to save Baelen and only succeeded once. Well my first time I didn’t realize he was in there, I saw the plants and before I got too close was like “oh dude fuck that, blow it up” so I didn’t even know he was there until my gf who had finished a campaign before and was playing with me said “uhhhh did you blow up the bibberbangs” “yeah why?” “Ummmmm that dwarf we were supposed to find was in there. He’s definitely not anymore. Well he is I guess but he’s not getting saved.”
I think curing him turns out better for her; she leaves him, seems content, and you can send a random cat her way for companionship.
If you kill him or leave him there she also gets a cat companion
I prefer him dead- She can still get a cat and be hopeful for the future, but also have a business too. A successful one, even, if you get her the noble stalk.
If he's cured, he's free to ruin some other woman's life, abuse animals, etc.
The cat ending is more fun.
Disagree. Ending him in the Bibberbang field means she's free - actually free of him plus he doesn't abuse her in the interim period between his return to sanity and her leaving him. Plus, give a street cat a loving home and vengeance on a perpetrator. Even Minthara would like that!
Maybe an odd one, but i always spare the newborn mindflayer in rivington. Helped it for legitimate rp reasons on my first run and then i got inexplicably attached. Funny little guy, one of my favorite minor npcs.
Also i always blow up Baelen in the mushroom field (after retrieving the noblestalk, of course). The fireworks are just too satisfying.
How do you this? Doesn't the bibberbang poison him?
They're also highly flammable. Set off poison cloud then light it on fire and the whole field goes bang.
Yeah no I know that, I mean how do you get the noblestalk without the whole field letting off noxious fumes and killing him that way?
Using Glut, the mushroom’s aren’t sensitive to his presence. Make sure you open the context menu and put it into his inventory, though, for some reason he defaults his interact action to eating it.
I typically use Mage Hand. But you have to be careful you only move it. If you throw the noblestalk it clips through the floor and disappears forever
If you throw the noblestalk it clips through the floor and disappears forever
It also only has 1 hp and is extremely easy to destroy by throwing too far.
Turn based mode and misty step.
Like others said, you can use Glut or mage hand, or just go turn based mode then use a scroll of fly or misty step out lmao
Thief Astarion and a Flying potion in turn-based mode (3 Dashes total is enough to get there and back)
I dont do it every time, but I love doing it. Giving up the grove and then fighting on the groves' side. The fight is just way more fun.
Thiiiissssss plus it increases Astarions approval lmao
It was for role play flavour but my last Durge set hope free and then immediately threw her off the cliff.
That is wild
This one made me gasp
I have done twenty run throughs and this made me CACKLE. The originality !!!
Flinging Barcus from the windmill
I know the scene is hilarious, but resisting that urge is worth ousting Wulbren in the end
you don't have to oust Wulbren if he's dead already :taps forehead:
I did it by accident! 😭 there are two levers, and I didn’t realize it, so I accidentally hit the “speed up” lever and he flew away like a bird… to his death 🤦♀️
I remember reading "release brake" as "release gnome" and was SO confused about where he went lol.
I wonder if you can cast featherfall on him and then fling him. Would that keep him alive? Did Larian account for that possibility?
They already accounted for so many things, if they did that too, I would be only slightly surprised.
Gimme about 20 mins or so and I'll let you know if it works
You're on, I'll be checking this comment in 30.
Timed it so I cast just as he went past on the windmill. It did not help
Thank you for your service 🫡
Anytime. I'm now gonna reload to a save where my bestest boi is NOT lying splattered on the ground
Okay but what if he lands on a webbed surface?
I see the vision, and I appreciate it, but someone else gotta try it cos I have moved swiftly ON in my playthrough. Also I don't have any web stuff cos I never use it so 🤷♀️
According to the wiki, Feather Fall doesn’t have any effect
My husband and I did our first run together, and when we came across Barcus, he ran to the windmill to save a fellow gnome. I was outside punching what was left of the goblins when I saw a figure flying over the horizon. I hear my husband going on, "wtf just happened? Where did he go? " he was so amped to save this little guy, and I was trying so hard not to laugh but to try and explain that I just witnessed this gnome go sailing by, and maybe he was fine?? He was so bitter, for days afterward. I think even now, seeing Barcus' storyline on new play throughs, he's wracked with guilt and shame lol.
listen Barcus is my homie he's my sweet cheese he's my rotten soldier
but sometimes
sometimes I gotta "accidentally" pull the wrong lever it's such a fucking funny scene
SEANAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY
I like this evil choice too, cuz I don’t like that goblin abusing his pet hyena.
For my favorite evil choice… I dunno if it counts, but I kill the two people grieving their dying “true soul” friend every playthrough.
Because I don’t trust them not to kill the owlbear cub. And I don’t wanna deal with them later.
If that doesn’t count… then blowing up the crèche by taking the blood of Lathander. I must purge ALL the githyanki in there, I can’t know for certain I got them all.
Plus, I wanna hear about the CONCENTRATED POWER OF THE SUN!
They don't kill the cub, they just die.
It really depends on how the fight goes. And I just don’t like chancing it.
If you tell them to forget about the owlbear, they won't even try to go in there and then I believe you never see them again. I don't think they show up at the goblin camp afterwards. If they do, then they're utterly inconsequential in that fight. Totally unnecessary to kill them for any gameplay-related reason IMO as they don't factor into anything. But you do you of course, definitely not trying to tell you how to play your own game.
They do show up in the Goblin Camp
Huh, I never noticed. Probably because they die so quickly lol.
Killing Valeria that corrupt elephant detective and getting Bhaalist Armor
Valeria isn't corrupt, they're just hella jaded, alcoholic, and phoning it in. Honestly, given their backstory I can't say I blame them either. They tried to warn everyone about Zariel before she fell from grace and became the archdevil Zariel, and in return they were ridiculed and eventually kicked out of Mount Celestia for "spreading conspiracy".
Holy shit, it just clicked that Valeria is that fucking holophant
Yuuuuup. Their attitude totally makes sense to me knowing their backstory.
And the model example she's compared to is the one from Descent to Avernus.
Oh that’s neat, my party never really got far into Descent but bg3 does make me want to try it again at some point. I know it’s a bit clunky but that’s fixable
WAIT IT’S HER?!?
I was planning on doing that in my first playthrough, but I did kinda kill Sarevok again...
I just can’t, I need to kill Sarevok. He’s such pathetic douche. He must go.
You can still kill him. In fact, if you return to him after killing Orin as Durge he will still try to kill you.
It does make the fight slightly harder because Abazigal will also be there.
All Celestials Are Bastards 😌
Haarlep.
When I played a character who exclusively made the most self-serving choice available, he had Astarion steal the Idol from the druid's camp in act 1, and then had my whole squad skedaddle out of there without fighting anyone. The druids and tieflings massacred each other and I didn't have to lift a finger. Even got a congratulations from Minthara when she showed up to take the camp, she said there was barely anyone left to kill.
But, technically, I didn't hurt a fly.
I usually murder that lady who abuses the dogs in act 3.
I don't see punishing a chronic animal abuser as 'bad aligned'.
I was thinking the same thing with the Goblin that OP mentioned.
Like, maybe there's an argument for #NotAllGoblins, but I'm pretty sure the goblin in question was just squealing in glee trying to make someone/something else do exactly that, weren't they?
He makes the hyena run off into the curse after a stick as you walk up
Punishing no, outright murder definitely is
I’d call it chaotic neutral at most
Eh I’d argue that death is an acceptable punishment for that
sniffs in Oath of Vengeance
Sounds like vengeance to me.
You mean ‘smells like vengeance’, surely?
I always kill the lady trying to steal the githyanki egg. Every. Single. Time.
I steal from her over and over and then kill her. She is absolutely easy to steal from, being all isolated like that. You would think such a savvy adventurer would know better than to have a bunch of items I want and be alone in the wilderness.
If killing her is wrong I don't want to be right
Oh I cast hold person and then hit her a few times. Then i give them a healing potion and do it again but use different means. Fire, Ice, piercing, slashing bludgeoning, etc. I do this until i go through all the damage types or until i get board. Then I kill her.
Ok, that’s dark 😂
"Turns out, I'm perfectly capable of enacting justice WITHOUT killing..."
Not gonna lie, it's the stat boosts. Letting Ethel go for the hair and making Astarion drink Araj's blood.
Less "I'm doing this because I'm a jerk", more "power is tempting".
You can save the girl and get Ethel to give it to you. Doesn't have to be bad.
But killing the hag (I know she respawns) breaks the other curses too
In that case, when one ends Ethel for good, it should also free the masked folk from Act 1 also. So all one has done in that case is prolong the period of service to Ethel for a few folks in exchange for Mayrina and her baby’s safety.
Same, although the former could be argued not to be that evil, if you also save Mayrina. No justification for the latter at all, I'm afraid 😅
Best way to break my oath.
I'm always making Astarion drink the blood. Like if there was some shit someone else had to do to give him a +2 dex he would be furious if they didn't do it.
Consent is consent. He said no. Coercing, convincing, pressuring or threatening him is not free consent. For the first time in 200 years he got to say no to something, and then people override it like it’s nothing.
Obviously it’s just a game, and it’s whatever you want to roleplay. Any choice is valid. But to consider it nothing is to misunderstand the writing and characters of the game IMHO.
I mean yeah he’s a hypocrite, but would you feel as fine about forcing someone with an eating disorder enter a hot dog eating contest? It’s a bridge too far for me. I can do a lot of bad things for good gear/buffs in the game, but knowing you’re becoming his newest abuser just makes me feel ill, pixels though he may be.
A better comparison I've seen on this sub before was "Some guy wants to do something with Shadowheart's feet for a potion and she's uncomfortable/scared.”
Obviously the character is a sexually predatory creep, but hey the victim is whiny so who cares right.
Plus you get the added bonus of not having to deal with Maryna.
As a Bard, at Waukeen's Rest, you can pretend that the beam trapping that one guy in the fire is too heavy to lift with a performance check. Was playing with a couple of friends in an evil playthrough, and we were all cackling when we saw it.
Dark urge gets an inspiration for letting him burn and that’s worth more than the xp from his quest so..
Killing Oskar Fevras. You don't even need to do it directly, the Zhentarim are so reckless with all of explosives in the place just starting a fight with them will cause him to die thanks to all of aoes they'll set off. Best of all he's a very easy 75 XP, which is a very good amount in the early game. For context that's more than both of the Owlbear and Mate combined, and for 1/1000th of the effort.
I did admittedly save him one time since I felt obliged to complete his quest at least once, to put it mildly it was not worth.
I tried sneaking in to the hideout on my current run and got spotted. One of the Zentarim immediately threw an alchemist's fire and blew up everyone except for my party who were standing just outside the blast radius like...
We didn't even get a turn.
You can also blow up the Zhent hideout with one fire arrow without even starting a fight. Just stand on the upper ledge and fire into the oil.
I didn't know he was even down there when I did it lol
I always love to go the Zhent leader, push her down and nuke the bottom level with a fireball
My go-to strat is to throw the iron flask into the fray since Zarys wants it so badly lol. The spectator is more than a match for the Zhent.
Although on my current run I did just blow up the Zhent, definitely satisfying. I saved the iron flask for the foyer in Moonrise and let it munch on all the pilgrims.
Why… why have I never thought of unleashing the spectator on the moonrise idiots? Time for another run…
Works best on target rich environments. The House of Grief is particularly effective thanks to its ability to disrupt the constant darkness spam.
Poisoning the drink in the goblin camp. Makes that fight so much easier…
How is killing evil characters a bad-aligned choice 🙄
It’s an inspiration for the criminal background if that says anything
Slaughtering every Gith in the Creshe before meeting Vlaakith.
Lmao does she notice?
I just watched a playthrough tonight where the guy did that, and even attacked the Inquisitor before going into the Prism. Vlaakith's projection shows up after you kill everyone, makes a comment about how the Inquisitor was formidable (almost like she's impressed), and then the dialogue continues as normal with her demanding you enter the prism to 'cleanse' it.
No, but that Githyanki kid that you can save in the training room does.
My first run blind, I decided to work with minthara and slaughter the tieflings at level 3, because the gnolls, spiders, and goblins had hall killed me many times and I was just desperate to do anything that would advance the plot. I felt bad about it for weeks but it was an organic choice that I felt was missing from subsequent runs where I knew what to expect and how to win a fight.
Psychically pushing the Gnoll chief to eat the Zhents, and later doing the same to the Absolutist in Moonrise towers’ kitchens.
Ny bard has been flying thru honor mode because of things like this lol, and I’m generally good aligned
Force Astarion to drink Araj’s blood. I know it’s terrible because he’s so traumatized and it opens old wounds for him but a free +2 strength that doesn’t count towards the stat cap is just too good to pass on.
I just can't do it 😭 his sweetness towards me when I protect him is just too much to pass up.
I just mod the potion in nowadays lol.
As in just add it to your inventory or make it possible to steal it from her?
Add to my inventory. If you use the Cheater's Spell Scroll mod you can spawn a chest of all the potions and elixirs in the game, including a full stack of these babies. I usually just take the one though these days.
Yeeting the gnome from the windmill
Did it by accident once
Do you know how hard it is not to repeatedly make that funny ass choice?
Punching Aradin in the face before he and Zevlor come to blows, especially as a Halfling or Gnome.
Nah, hitting that racist prick isn't evil. You get a pass, and a pat on the back!
This thread made me realise that I haven't been able to bring myself to make truly bad-aligned choices...
Stabbing my guardian before it’s obvious that he is evil
Does that count as evil? He's obviously hiding stuff from you, and Vlaakith will kill you if you don't. But I never trusted the guardian from the start, so maybe I'm biased.
Pulling the wrong lever on the windmill. The first time was a shocking accident. The times after though lol
Not so much evil, but yelling at the books in Sorcerous Sundries.
I don't know if it's bad or good or morally gray, but let Bailen die in the biberbang. I just pop a poison resist elixir, Misty Step to the torch to prevent firebomb, then walk to the noble stalk and let Bailen die in the poison cloud. Some say that Darith is happier if you let him live and cure him, as she leaves him, but I would rather leave her with a thriving alchemy/noble stalk business and a cat. I might have one to many women in my life who got left in hospitals by abusive spouses to be able to do the "right" thing.
As soon as I found out the husband of the duegar couple hunting for noblestalk abused his wife and rothe, I've blown that fucker up every single run.
I always let Aradin punch Zevlor, so Astarian can then steal his gloves.
Definitely was Astarian, 'cause good Tav would never do something like that...
setting off the solar lance at rosymorn monastery
with you on the goblin with the added talking to the hiyena
I say yes to anyone who propositions Tav. Anyone.
I also kill Arfur every playthrough. Even before the toys I just find him pathetic & whiny.
Windmill gnome space program.
Kicking the squirrel in the druid camp. The little asshole came for the smoke for no reason.
Doing this and then choosing the, “He came right at me!” option💀 it’s so evil, but the response is hilarious
I mean he did come right at you though! Little bastard went and bit my foot unprovoked. I thought he just really wanted to be a part of the squirrel space program is all 😭
I always make He Who Was stab himself a whole bunch. FAFO, creep!
i also do this lol can't stand that dude
As a Gith I always kill the nice Illithid in the underdark.... No such thing as a good Gheik!
Omeluum is chill though. And he shows up later in Act 3 if he survives Act 1.
I don’t think him or Bluurg show up if you give the gith egg to the lady tho.
I don’t see why that would be connected to their appearance in Act 3, but then again I’ve never given her the egg.
They’re part of the Society of Brilliance, which is the group she’s trying obtain the egg for.
I literally just did that for the first time a couple of days ago. And the evil smile from Shadowheart was downright chilling. And hot - because, Shadowheart
Reading The Necromancy of Thay probably
Allowing the Tiefling to kill the Goblin prisoner in the Grove.
I did that on my Durge resist run as a “lapse”
Offing discount dumbo. It's almost a public service by then.
I kill Nettie. Every time, no matter what. Sometimes before letting her get a word in.
Goes back to aggroing Kagha in my first playthrough and triggering the druids attempting to massacre the tieflings… fought through them saving Zevlor (Dammon died), Roland and Lia (Cal died), etc… until coming upon Nettie outside of the jail, using her flaming sphere to kill all of the tieflings who were unarmed and hiding in there such as Bex and the like. It was blocking the exit. All they had was their fists.
So yeah. She dies every playthrough.
You can make the druids attack the tieflings? I should play again, lol.
I will literally kill every druid there is in the grove. Evil run? Kill tieflings then druids for xp. Good run? Save tieflings then kill druids because they're all pieces of shit.
ESPECIALLY Jeorna. Hate her ass. Lazy log humper sees me kicking goblin butt at the front and threatens me with a bear? All the druids and their pets can rot in their grove, except Tuffet. Tuffet just sleeps through everything. He's literally me
How can you save the tieflings and not the druids? Desperately want to do this, lmao.
Once the Tieflings clear out after the party at your camp, you can go back to the Emerald Grove and cleanse it of all Druidic life
I wanted to do that with the shadow druids and I already finished that scene. Worth reloading to before then if I could pull it off, though. Plus what happens to Halsin? Doesn't Kagha get in trouble and is no longer the archdruid? I'm confused about how this plays out if you save the tieflings first.
Halsin will be at your camp by then and as far as I know, he doesn’t go hostile if you kill all the druids AFTER the Tieflings leave. If you kill Kagha, she has a pretty neat necklace too
Ascend Astarion
Saving Wulbren. Buying what I want from his merchant. Killing them all (Barcus, I gave you every chance to get away from that guy. You’re lucky I got the right lever this time, anyway.)
Not necessarily evil, but every run I have to punch Zevlor in the face, call Mattis out for being a bullshit little scamming pissbaby, and tell Mirkon the harpies will eat him because they eat sniveling little children.
Knocking out zevlor is the easiest way to pickpocket the OP cleric gloves. Worth it.
i always kill philomeen or however you spell it
i always kill all the gith, even before they all become hostile. the gith are scum. usually kill the egg too. i dont even go in the prism i just walk away
I often align with Arfur over the squatters. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they've been through hell and that sucks, but you're not entitled to live in someone's home just because they weren't there for a time. But the game very clearly makes Arfur to be the bad guy in that scenario.
To be fair, he's also loading up childrens toys with explosives, that he then sends to the refugee camps.
He may have legal justification for his house, but it's hard to muster up sympathy for a literal terrorist, lol
I align with Arfur to remove the squatters and then follow him inside to murder him for the keys and stuff lol.
i kill arfur every playthrough bc he's an insufferable prick and then there's nobody to worry about entitlement on someone's home :)
I side with the refugees, and non-lethal the mercenaries. Then press Arfur for money, expose his involvement in the exploding bears scheme, and execute him.
Arfur’s sin is give me an annoying quest so he just doesn’t get his house and the people he brought along get to die
I can’t I made the goblin fetch the the stick and that made me feel ill like that’s too evil
Okay so I like to mess with the guy freaking out in the hag layer, I let Lae’zel terrorize Zorru, I get the goblin to fetch the stick, I terrorize crusher, ect. Just little acts of malice nothing crazy. I’ve tried to kill the grove a couple times but I always end up abandoning the campaign because it makes me sad
Killing Kahga after redeeming her when she stands at the front of the grove where no one can see for her amulet lol
I get Madeline to stab herself, she deserved it every time
Clearly only sick, depraved lunatics do this, but I always deface vlaakith's portrait. How any good character could stoop as low as petty vandalism, I do not know
I set free 7k vampire spawns. I feel pity for them. Until they commit a crime they are innocent. Though I don't consider it an evil choice, my friend says it is. Well, okay.
I always free Mayrina from the Hag so I can get her dead husband as a summon
Bringing the Strange Ox into Baldur's Gate. Also, killing that one guard who takes your 200 gold and still won't let you into the city.
I am not even sure if bringing the ox into Baldur's Gate is evil. Still confused if it wants to get into the city for murder sprees or if it really just genuinely enjoys being an ox.
This durge interaction kinda convinced me it’s not particularly evil to bring it to the city. Like there’s already a bunch of murder happening but I assume Larian would have left something suspicious to find to make you regret smuggling a hostile apple into the lower city lmao
Well he does help you at the brain.
God I wanted to strangle that insufferable Fist the moment she opened her mouth.
Fair one, I trade a bunch of rotten food with them straight after to get my gold back. Plus they have pockets full of rotten eggs and mouldy cheese until endgame.