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PFF gives Bears #4 oline in NFL, #1 in division
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Us in 6 months: the one old dude started acting old and the 2 guys with injury history got injured ---we need to fix our Oline
This comment is a little too real
No, shit. I almost dropped into the fetal position.
Too soon. Very accurate but too soon.
My expectation on them having added three new O-Linemen that on paper look good is that one will actually be good, one will immediately suck for no discernable reason, and one will be good when healthy but miss 8-10 games. The one with the biggest/longest contract will not be the one that is actually good.
That sounds about right lol
I hope for the best but they gotta prove it. At least this time we actually tried to fix it.
Too real
3 guys have injury history tbh.
Or they’ll be a great oline but the rest of the team will suck and waste the great season for the oline.
Please get this energy out of here lol plz no
just fell to my knees in a caputo's
Nuh uh, it's different this time, I swear. BJ told me himself at Portillos these guys are bulletproof.
If the team starts losing the fans will blame the OL even if they're the best in the league. Fields and Caleb held the ball too long, took sacks, and everyone dogpiled on the OL.
You either have a top 5 oline a below average oline or dogshit there’s no average in fans eyes
very true
Or…it was all bad.
Blaming the OL is just what casual football fans do whenever they want to sound smart. Not sure if it's everywhere or just Chicago but it's absolutely the case.
Most of this fanbase wants to get rid of Braxton Jones ASAP and the guy is a young and above average left tackle who gets paid essentially nothing. He will be making 20m per year starting in '26 and everyone just assumes he sucks. I just think the standards are beyond ridiculous at this point. We could have an OL full of hall of famers and the fanbase would find a reason to hate them.
They need to chill
Drink it while it's hot!!
Yet another stupid-ass paper analysis of an offensive line that is 3/5 people who have never played a single snap together.
This has happened for the last several seasons. Reject these false prophets.
yup super bowl, just as i expected
Guys this is a ranking based on starting 5, individual PFF scores, and perfect world scenario (health + chemistry).
This is a very good line with those assumptions, thats all this is saying.
Any sane person knows this list means nothing and that there's a lot of variables that could very well lead to another below average OL season.
Some of yall are allergic to fun/excitement I swear.
Any sane person
There's the rub.
Don’t think there are any in here
It's a trauma response, we are conditioned to expect pain and only pain.
At this point it's Pavlovian.
Based on 0 snaps together. Amazing.
I’m proud of my fellow fans for bird dogging this obvious koolaid.
I'm so tired of the Bears winning games on paper and not on the field. Wake me up when the opposite happens.
I mean, the potential is there. But it's way too early
Ban pff
I mean, it's the offaeason, so of course. The Bears are awesome for another......8 weeks.
I’m hyped for the season, but these guys haven’t played as a unit.
Christ I fucking hope so
I hope this is true, I just really wish Tevin Jenkins could've been part of this.
Him not being here is why we improved.
I respect him and was excited for him. Shame he wasn't healthy at all while here. Will still root for him to do well elsewhere if he can get right; unless he goes to the Packers.
I'm not arguing that. I just wish it weren't the case.
Bet. I wonder how much Braxton Jones' agent pays them for these.
they had all the bears ranked highly last year. According to PFF we actually had a solid OL last year....except anyone with eyes know we didnt. Tev Jenkins was their 18th ranked guard and couldnt even land a starting gig in FA.
Sam "100% pass black win rate" Mustipher approves
😵pass wha
Genuine question, wasn't Jenkins generally good when he was in, but the problem was availability? Does PFF take availability into account with its rankings?
Yes Tev was great in year 2 and then good in year 3 and 4.
He took a backup role due to shitty health and problematic physicals not because hes so dramatically overrated by PFF.
Every year but last year would be a yes.
Last year was rough for him, but that all may not be on him. He didn't shine at all. Which is odd for a contract year
Anyone with eyes would know Shane Waldren and Caleb were the reason for heavily stacked boxes and constant blitzing last year. This sub loves to blame the o-line for every instance of pressure even though there's several things at play.
Edit: And you absolutely know injuries are the reason Jenkins didn't land a starting gig.
Yep. Halfway through the Houston game, they realized Williams wouldn't punish them for blitzing and stacking the box
Between Williams' rookie struggles (and poor coaching) and Waldren refusing to adjust to the blitz, not a lot of favors were done for the o-line last year.
PFF is not the only company that watches and analyzes film that says Braxton is a good left tackle.
Braxton is a good left tackle. He’s not a very good or elite left tackle. But if he’s our worst offensive lineman, we have a very good offensive line.
I'm not convinced he's not better than Wright at all. But I think both have the potential to be very good this season.
Yeah no kidding
If true then Caleb will be better than Jordan Love…
Give me a break. How can PFF say rank us #4 with a straight face when considering (A) years of bad offensive line play in Chicago; (B) three brand new starters; and (C) a LT that might be ready for training camp or might be replaced by a rookie that played RT in college or a sophomore who missed most of last season with injury (and, while he physically looked the part, was overwhelmed by the complexity of the game)?
This could be a perfectly acceptable O Line by mid-season, but it's an excessive ranking right now. I recognize PFF has its numbers and ranks accordingly, but sometimes you need to apply a human brain to the numbers.
Applying a human brain to the numbers exactly what PFF does NOT do. it's completely based on analytical information. I.E basically best possible scenario on paper.
If the title said "best possible outcome based on current mathematical data" Would you feel the same?
edit: I personally think PFF is trash
PFF is not analytical. These are grades from humans watching video.
Did the Lions lose anyone? I don’t know that we’ll be better
Ragnow retired and Zeitler went to Tennessee.
People dont get how much of a loss that is. Zeitler was a GREAT signing for them and ragnow was an all pro. Those were their 2nd and 3rd best OL, now the starting center is their worst OL from last year(glasgow) and they are starting two rookies. If that interior does not gel the lions offense might struggle, Goff has the mobility of a turtle and if you pressure him up the middle he will look like Rams vs. Bears goff.
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Do you also know whats funny? Theyre getting us to engage and talk about it so i guess joke is kinda on us as well
Let’s not count our chickens.
I’m hopeful and I do think from a talent sheet numbers perspective this is the best oline of my time as a fan.
Back to back to back offseason champs!
Dynasty baby!
This is dumb
I can see us being much improved. I’m not ready to say we’re definitely better than Philly, Minnesota, Denver, Buffalo, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, Detroit, or Green Bay yet. But if we’re anywhere from 8-14, who’s complaining?
Omg all this winning.
There are 28 worse o-lines in the NFL? I don't think that's accurate.
On paper…gotta see how they perform as a unit, however I am optimistic…
PFF is a shell of their former selves. The worst thing they have done in the past decade has consistently been there insanely good rankings on non existent Bears olinemen.
This means nothing. I am surprised they don't have us first overall because we have (barring injury) an actual set of people playing the position.
Ummmmmm
Wow. I do have to say that is encouraging to hear even if pre-pre season. Means if injuries are minimal on o-line We are going to be better offensively, even b for Ben Johnson scheme takes hold and what should be better QB play etc. Go Bears!
Ill wait till I see results even though im optimistic
Watch Caleb take more sacks this year than last.
Not one bit realistic to rank an OL until they’ve actually played together as a unit.
I think anywhere from 7th - 11th seems about right. My biggest concern is who the heck is the backup G/C? If people are fine with Bill Murray, Ryan Bates who has an arthritic shoulder, Luke Newman a 6th round rookie, or Kiran, I hope you are right because the starting 5 looks good and we even have a quality swing tackle but the interior depth is dire.
The lions are starting a 2nd rounder and either a 5th or 6th rounder at their guard spots. Most nfl teams do not have a solid starting 5 much less quality depth on the OL. I agree its a question mark but most teams are in the same spot...guess we just have to hope ryan bates can actually be healthy. Wish we brough back pryor
I agree, that is why I still think we are around 7th - 11th in the league. It is a good o-line on paper but my biggest cocern is that Jackson has the "Jenkins" injury bug and if the Bears think he is going to play all 17 games this season, that is a big bet to make.
I have the bears 3rd/4th in division, hope im wrong. But they havent show me anything to think they are 1/2.
The Kool-Aid sipping is very strong right now boys. We all been there before. Let's get results before we sip more of the good stuff.
Not really sure if PFF opinions are worth much these days. A lot of the top staff that built PFF into a pretty decent resource have left the company in the last year or so. I unsubscribed when their draft coverage sucked.
I feel like PFF was vastly overrating the Oline last year when we all knew it was shit. I’m not saying the bears haven’t improved their Oline but I take a lot of what PFF says with a grain of salt
Shut the fuck up, PFF
It's 2025. When are we going to stop considering PFF as credible...?
Clickbait. Next!
They’ll be lucky to win 8 games this year…
4th best line but the only 2nd year QB to be a bust PFF continues to impress with how incompetent their reporting is.
I don’t mind a quick hit of kool-aid once in awhile, but I’m going to have see this in person. I’ve got 40 years of fandom telling me to tread lightly.
Yeah this is the ultimate “on paper ranking”… which is nice but also kinda meaningless. Need to see them on the field together and in the new offense first.
I'm not even being as optimistic as "tread lightly". I just expect failure at this point.
Almost Every year we get excited to be let down but this time it feels really good 😂
This time the writing isn’t on the wall. Most of the steps taken made a lot of sense and don’t show a cheap or incompetent organization.
It can still flame out because it’s pro sports, but if it does I think it’s not the kind of failure you get mad at the org for.
There's no way this doesn't have a gigantic "if healthy" asterisk next to it. No one has infinite depth, but our options inside for backup are 1 guy, a rookie, and UDFAs. Dalman and Jackson don't exactly have stellar track records for injury.
All rankings for every team has that same asterisk.
Our depth at the position might as well be called shallow.
I honestly can't name one single backup OL for any other team without googling it. Sure some many might be a bit better than the Bears backup OL, but they are leaps worse then their own teams starters in almost every case.
EVERY team wants more/greater depth. Truth is that there just isn't that many good backups in the league as a whole. Team keeps 9-10 on a roster. 10x32=320
My issue isn't just with quality. We all want that. We have no experience. As far as I know, the only player we have at backup on the inside with NFL snaps is Pryor. We used a lot of backups last year. We got way better but we didn't necessarily get healthier.
Same thing as last year, and we were toast by like week 4. It was the only thing that couldn’t happen, and it did lol.
Came here to say exactly this. I'm happy that they seem to have FINALLY made OL a priority, but until I see this unit play together, I'm gonna hold back my blind optimism.
Next year will be 40 years since the Bears won the Super Bowl on my 8th birthday.
im so glad we won the Super Bowl this year