Helldivers
Anyone feel the same?
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It certainly feels mutually
I cant decide whos the bigger piece of shit in pred strain: the stalkers or hunters.
Definantly the hunters. They are much faster and harder to hit than the stalkers and do even more damaga somehow. When i die against pred strain 99% is because a hunter comes out of thin air and hits me so quickly that i cant stim due to hitstun Without hunters pred strain would be 10 times easier
Not to mention that stalkers hit you and run away. This motherfucker keeps chasing and hitting.
Sums up my experience
I don't feel the same. Bugs in the city is actually awesome.
Seeing a BT squeeze between buildings to wreck my shit was amazing
Throw some thermite on a charger and ditch down an alley to leave him to die. But it's a dead end. And now the charger has followed me around the corner, thermite blazing on his forehead. Shit's about to get real.
Throws a second one at it just for luck
If you're gonna die might as well use all your grenades ...
Whips out HMG with Democratic intent
Proceeds to miss all but 4 bullets and get slammed into the wall and blown up
I once ran down to the bunker niche with a friend in front, with a charger approaching as described above
Friend probably thought it was fucking over but I whipped out a recoiless and blasted both of them in the face, obviously charger got the spicier load
I feel the opposite about Illuminate. “Oh look, a horde” * Throws turret in front * “Whew, we’re sa…” *Dies by turret because of horde that “appeared” behind you *
The single Voteless that always "appears" behind you the moment you start a stationary reload...
My biggest complaint about the squids is how the voteless can outrun you. Even in medium armor it feels like if they get like 10ft from you they speed up and the only way to get space is kill them.
This often ends up in spirals where the scout drones find me dealing with the voteless and summon more reinforcements before I'm even done with the first crew. And now, on solo missions on LVL 3 difficulty (medium I think) I'm seeing flying overseers, fleshmobs, the cannon overseers and normal overseers (plus the harvesters but they aren't too bad and are usually only there as objectives)
We all need to pray for our newer recruits that pick Lvl 1 mission on illuminate and think „it can’t be that bad”
Seriously, illuminate is the only faction that makes me feel actually endangered on lower difficulties, and around 8 they become actually dented
As an aside, I absolutely get Overseers being almost invincible, I get it; but even those fucking drones are tanking twice as much damage as they should, they shouldn’t require two autocannon shots especially since Overseers already fill the role of flying tanks
Less I say about their X-Ray vision, the better
Damn my outlook's completely different. Squids are the only faction where I feel pretty confortable about starting a diff 10 mission solo and don't mind waiting for people to join. I think they're the easiest, by a wide margin.
My only problem used to be leviathans, but it's been a while since I've seen them, they would absolutely wreck my shit back on SE.
I hate how they walk THROUGH buildings and terrain.
real
squid diver propaganda moment
Squids be like: lol, fuck your cover
Nah I’m a bot diver all day every day
Saaaaaaaame. Laser cannon gang stand up
Yessir
Had a fun laser loadout for bugs: laser cannon, gas dog, strafing run, rocket turret (terrain depending, also did 500kg), thermites and whatever primary you want (I was leveling adjudicator). It was pretty good.
Fuck laser cannon, EAT supremacy
Commando would like a word
Airburst anglers would like to dominate the conversation..
W.A.S.P. nation rise up
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No HMG love? Damn.
We call it the gauss rifle because grew up with MechWarrior 3.
EAT has fallen out of favor w the hell gods
How many EATS to take down a flesh mob? Genuine question i never thought of taking them
3 but you could just shoot it with your primary for the remaining 2,000 after the EATs, but I don't play on the Squid front often, I main bots most of the time, and all the enemies there die in 1 or 2 shots excluding the Factory Strider.
Yeah I'm a bot diver myself, usually use the RR there but have been using the quasar recently so I can take another backpack
EAT is better if you dont have a teammate willing to team reload, but RR is by far better if you do, I will admitm
This guy gets it
If they fix the sound, it would prevent so many deaths that feels unfair, like stealth chargers and titans one shot players from behind.
My biggest peeve is chargers mid charge turning on a fuckin DIME and nailing me. I then get stuck under them and just die without being able to do jackshit.
Sometimes it also feels like NFS Rubberbanding.
Thats not how the meme works
THANK YOU
Someone said it
To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda just having a bad time fighting any enemy right now. Maybe it's just fatigue, but I find myself unable to do anything quite a lot more than I used to. Not really against the enemies most of the time, just against the game itself.
I'm getting thrown and/or ragdolled quite a lot, hit to the ground and not able to get up fast enough, not able to stim despite mashing the button, getting stuck in weird terrain, not being able to climb up objects that are clearly reachable, things like that.
Also, and this is happening far too often, I really miss having the ability to fucking SEE. I get night missions and fog missions so much that I just want to quit as soon as I get into one. They need to either reduce the chances of vision-reducing effects, or give us something like night vision or thermals, because it is absolutely infuriating to spawn into an environment in which I am incapable of seeing my damn enemies.
The devs added a 0.5s delay before our inputs do anything when we finish the ragdoll animation because they were assblasted about snakedivers. It didn’t even totally get rid of snakedivers (though it did make that bug show up a lot less frequently), but it did serve as an enormous stealth buff to ragdoll inflicting enemies… which are overwhelmingly the most threatening enemies on each front (Stalkers, Chargers, Impalers, Rocket Devastators, Hulks, Cannons, Fleshmobs, Leviathans). One of the dumbest things I can remember in this game, and there have been a lot of dumb decisions.
I would also add the bullshit corpse physics asymmetry. It’s total fucking nonsense that we can get stuck underneath a Bile Titan or Charger or whatever, but other bugs can noclip through the corpse to kill us while we can’t do anything. On the bot front recently, a Factory Strider killed me and destroyed my AT Emplacement by prefiring me through dropship wreckage I was already firing on before it hit the ground. Of course my shots all deflected off the dropship wreckage...
Wait is *THAT WHY* ragdolling has been extra scuffed recently?? I've been feeling for weeks that there's this weird paralysis after you flop to the ground where you can't do anything and it's been really frustrating, I thought I was going crazy cause it didn't feel like this that long ago.
Were they really that tilted about the snake bug? It still happens!
Yup, that's exactly why.
Yeah the input delay after ragdoll is damn infuriating. Not just heal, can't even reload in time.
Yeah, I agree on the visibility issue. I died A LOT recently due to low visibility and silent chargers. It would be great to have some vision enhancement tools.
I forgot to add that part. Low-vis combined with bad enemy sounds, not a good experience.
Hey so it's helped me, but the Heavy Unit and Chaff sound mods have made the game so much better, as well as reshade with some of the built in presets help a ton
If you're on Playstation though I'm sorry I can't help :(
For me it's the bugs (not the terminids) and the jank. All the little bullshit that has been in the game for waaaaaay too long. Weapons not reloading, stims not working, that fucking delay when you get ragdolled, stratagems sometimes just disappearing, getting stuck on the environment or large enemies, silent enemies, bugged mission objectives, stratagems bouncing, enemies clipping through cover, Impaler tentacles still living for several seconds after the body has died. And on top of that the dozens of scenarios that make your game crash.
Don't get me wrong, I love all of the content they've added to the game, and I certainly appreciate all of the work they've done polishing it over all this time. The problem is, there are still far more small problems that they don't have the resources to fix in a timely manner.
On top of that, people keep demanding more content (and stuff to grind for, which is frankly another problem for people like me), while the game suffers from the buildup of bugs and inherent issues with its mechanics. I can't imagine how tiresome it is for Arrowhead.
Airburst rocket launcher vs bots and pick a planet that suits you without the fog and foliage. Can't get ragdolled if you're killing off devestators before they even see you
This is partly why fighting bugs suck. Those MO planets always get bad fog and then the minimap is useless because of the fog or whatever. You end up missing bug nests and shit because of it. You never see this on bots or squids. And the radar booster and armor is useless for this. They should at least make it work for this so you can see stuff through the fog
I was just thinking today what I wouldn't give for something like flares to make seeing at night easier. But the bugs aside from that make seeing anything near impossible and I'm getting to a point that I just dread doing their missions.
The terrain on the big front has been not cooperating, like you say. Too often I get killed because I try to climb a tiny rock that for some reason isn’t claimable, or because of that dead bile titan’s leg at one level I can’t get through but the enemy clips through.
Not to mention that planet with tremors that slow you down every five minutes.
Maybe they saw my warbond after all, and are gradually changing the game to fit 👀
Bugs are a lot of fun for me. But to each their own. Democracy has many foes
Same. Bugs are the most fun for me. Can’t stand fighting the bots. Squids are fun too, but my preference will always be the bugs
I'm more of a bot/mo diver but I have to admit I enjoy when the mo brings me to the bugs.
It’s like a vacation, no worrying about sight lines or mines, just filling bodies with lead
There's two other factions you can play, isn't that great? We're spoiled for choice.
He might be an MO diver bro
Even so, that's no good reason to play a faction you're not currently enjoying
There are plenty of people who only play bugs, and that don't move from the faction no matter what the MO is, and usually bug MOs are victorious either way
Go have fun in other fronts, the devs don't force you to stick to one so why force yourself?
its not a job tho. if you arent enjoying a game you shouldnt play it
He can choose to not be one at any point in time, the other factions exist regardless, the only one stopping OP is himself
then dont ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ payed for the game play how you want
In lieu of the payed bot:
Payed is a word used in a nautical context to refer to giving a watercraft a protective coating. The correct past tense is "paid".
I love being paid, but I feel as if I'd really dislike being payed...
Have my upvote sir!
... I'm tired of all of the MO enforcers ...
I like Starship Troopers so I love fighting bugs.
This is how I feel about Illuminate. Bugs are my power fantasy faction, bots are my war is hell faction. I just don't enjoy fighting squid.
Yeah, squids feel like the worst of the bugs and bots. A ton of enemies in the form of voteless, with enemies who have heavy armor, range, and a health pool that feels a little too large in the form of overseers. Then you add the tripods that Ive had eat two spear rockets with the shield down. It just makes for a faction that feels tedious to fight in my opinion.
I don’t get the hate, I love fighting bugs.
And every time I don’t feel like fighting bugs
I fight the other 2
My blood flows the same color for Super Earth regardless 💀🌎💀
I actually love fighting all three of the factions, but I’ll admit I’m a big fan of variety in general.
Probably why I’m still playing this game over a year after its release (despite also loving variety in the games I play). There’s just so many things to try! Lots of weapons, loadout choices, enemy tactics, etc.
And I switch between fronts depending on the MO or what I feel like facing that day. If I just wanna blast mindless hordes of melee baddies that seem to just keep coming and force me to move? Bugs. Do I wanna dart in and out of cover aiming for weak points while taking down their reinforcements with anti-air/armor? Bots. Do I want a bit of both plus having to adjust my tactics on the fly for shields/fleshmob damage sponges/voteless hordes/flying overseers flanking me, but needing less AT than other factions? Squids all the way.
I paid for the whole war front, I’m gonna use the whole war front!
They were wayyy more fun when the game dropped. I expect my enemies to adapt and overcome, it wouldn’t be fun that way. I will say that I never expected my favorite faction to fight against would slowly change to my least favorite faction to fight against.
What were the differences for when the game dropped until now with how the bugs play?
They all used to crawl...
and then one day...
...they started flying.
Being an MO diver really has its drawbacks.
But on the plus side it helps keep things fresh
I hate literally being mauled within 1 second of being near a hunter bug
I LOVE cooking Bugs😝
their a nice pallet cleanser in-between the Bot ass fucking and new bull shittery and the illuminate air support cluster fuckery.
Thats not how this meme is used
its almost as annoying as people not being able to make a meme correctly
Bugs became my favorite faction because of Predators.
Halt+Grenade Launcher is such a fun and engaging combo vs Predator Bugs.
Nope.
SOMETIMES it's okay to take a 3 months brake from game .
Bugs are mostly fine... absolutely silent chargers / the inconsistency of them sometimes sliding up cliffs or instantly turning 180 to hit you after dodging a charge are not.
I go where I’m told but I do hate the bugs. Too chaotic and in your face. It feels like the second I look away from the screen or take my hand off the keyboard. A chargers on me. Or a stalker.
Also why are chargers so stealthy? Surely they need to stomp more? They tread so damn softly. I should be able to hear them rumbling towards me by like an hour the fat fucks.
I agree if it is the predator strain; that shit sucks.
If not, nah, they’re my favourites. :p
Bugs>Squids>Bots for me
Not me, love fighting bugs. The different enemy types form this perfect intersection of conflicting movement constraints that makes the bug front feel like a chaotic dance of death. Sometimes I'm more in the mood for bots or squids, but the bugs are Ol' Reliable
I fight all the enemies of democracy.
Our job is to spread Managed Democracy across the galaxy and bring the enemies of freedom to justice.
ANYTHING less is undemocratic propaganda.
DO YOUR JOB HELLDIVER OR REPORT TO YOUR DEMOCRACY OFFICER IMMEADIATELY!
Making excuses to not do your job is unacceptable. Super Earth has no room for weak, undemocratic cowards.
Jump Pack + Flamer. Melee the hunters when they leap at you. Easy.
Jump pack is OP for fun having
Full bug loadout is incen breaker. Senator. Support flamer. Jump pack. OPS. Fat Eagle. Impacts. Jump over the nests and throw grenades in the holes. There’s only three nests that can’t be closed with just one eagle. Use jump pack and flamer off CD to call it in on holes to close them too. Plus resupply on heavy nest.
Bugs are the most fun to play faction in the game by a long mile and it´s not even close
Someone told me bugs were easier than bots. I have already contacted my Local Truth Enforcement Agency about this lie.
One of the few times I'll bring a guard dog over the jump pack though.
I think the bugs are pretty tolerable, it's the predator strain specifically that makes them annoying.
Especially when the damn hunters seem to just glide towards you no matter which way you dodge
It’s not even hate with me. I just shiver every drop. With Bots/Squids..there is normally a visual to give us an idea of where they are and their numbers.
And this may be just me but with bugs..it’s just sounds..then SWARM.
You kill one or two on the way to obj? They have your scent. GGs. For gods sake the Bile Titans are multiplying faster than regular units.
Launching an airburst into a crowded city street full of bugs is amazing
I NEED to see big number like x60, x70, x80 in the bottom of my screen, NEED,and bugs provide it.
I perfer the bots, but variety is the spice of life. When I wanna use a shotgun I go for bugs.
One word, helldiver.
flamethrowmer
I don’t like the shieldfaces but the rest are doable if you shoot the legs off
I like after watching starship troopers, but I'm mostly squid diver
Then don't?
GospelFuckingTruth
Bots are wholly skill based. Bring the right gear you can take everything out. Bugs are weird. Maybe they have weak spots but ive yet to find them? Actually yeah do bugs have a headshot location beyond their entire head?
Nah I’m a bug diver through and through. I hate the things and so killing them for lady liberty is a delight.
Good news, brother! There's two other factions in the game!
We have the Bots and we have the Illuminate! Both with their own quirks and requirements!
Check what you're fighting before hand. If it says Terminid... DON'T GO THERE :O
Crazy, I know. Having choice and Free will. Blows my mind.
I personally don't like Bots. So I don't play Bots :O
MO says Bots? Guess the other 40,000 Players can enjoy it. I'm sticking to Bugs and Illuminate.
i pretty much only play against bots now. i don’t really find the illuminate to be fun anymore and the bugs are still fun, but i just think bots offer the most satisfying gameplay.
I like bugs the most, aliens second, hate robots..
Bots are so much easier, I don't get why people act like they're hard and the bugs are easy, at least they don't fuckin knock you over from behind and swarm you
I enjoy the bugs since they’re the most challenging faction in my opinion (especially with the strain).
I don’t like illuminates though, they’re just kinda boring to me.
Bots are my overall favorite but they’re also the easiest faction.
Pacifier actually does its job well against bugs
Bugs are boring unless they're the Predator Strain.
At least killing bugs is fun, I’d rather get 3 bug MOs than a single illuminate one. Also I’d like a bot one too.
Tbh I’m a bot diver, so bugs are a nice change of pace. I always end up playing the generalist anchor of the team. Recoilless, Gatling strike, gas strike, eagle air strike, so I can reliably help any situation but I’m not always the best at any one thing. I usually end up being the Bile Titan deleter, they’re always my highest priority on the field.
I spend most of my time fighting bugs. But the little ones are way more annoying.
I remember a time when all the battles were with bots (pre-illuminate). At one point I counted over a dozen automaton planets and only three planets for bugs. It's a cycle.
Bugs are kind of a nuisance, especially with the predator strain but the last few times we’ve had to go there for MO fulfillment, we all just rolled with heavy gas resistant armor and proceeded to March forward in this ever advancing noxious cloud of death while remaining untouched by ourselves. You know it has trouble killing hell divers while it’s busy choking on neurotoxins? Just about everything.
They are awesome, i just wish i could see anything while in a bug mission.
Today, i had some real braindead teammates. Made me really dislike bugs. Usually, I dont mind them. I fight where the MO takes me, but today, I just wasn't having a good time. My squad all took napalm barrages. Normally, that's great. But they got used in the worst ways and made each breech harder than it had to be since they got thrown so bad. Then idk what it is about some people not doing anything but hang out at extract lately. Every mission I played today had 1 person just sitting at evac for over half the mission. Me and the other 2 are tits deep in bug guts, and he's just running laps at evac. Every mission I played today made me want to leave because the randoms were just terrible. That never happens. I never have issues with randoms like I did today.
Only for long durations like an MO cause I just run out of ways to kill them.
Especially predator strain!
I follow the mo but if its bugs i dive till im frustrated (about 2 or 3 missions) and then ill dive on squids or bots. I can manhandle hords of voteless since they're so squishy (i think the squids are the only super helldive my squad and i did where all of us died only once) bots imo are a bit easier to contain because i never really see them break the formation that they're patrolling in but bugs just piss me off to no end. Every time the mo is bugs i dread every drop
I love fighting the bugs, bug kills represent 3/4ths of my total kills. Grew up on Starship troopers, now I get to play it.
Same 😁
Play another game for a while. You'll miss them
I hate fighting them in cities
But ultimately I’m an MO diver.
I’ll fight them all. For democracy
I have squid Stockholm syndrome
I play bugs when I wanna chill, I play bots when I wanna be overwhelmed, and I play squids for MO
I know it's just a skill issue but hunters are by far the single most annoying pieces of shit to ever defy managed democracy
At this point, do you guys even enjoy playing this game?
I'm actually more tired of people hating/complaining about the bugs, to be honest. There's at least one post a week about it,at this point.
I hate predator stain but when I see them I just go down to 7 from 10 . It’s the sweet spot of having a challenge without feeling we are four guys who landed on Omaha beach on D-Day without back up
Well as a bugdiver, I personally love fighting bugs. I’d much rather fight swarms of overgrown cockroaches than get one shot across the map by a laser cannon or get harassed by flying overseers until I throw my controller across the room and delete the game.
I fucking hate bots, I can’t stand fighting them. One moment I’m running to an objective, the next I’m a fucking torso because I somehow stepped into the range of a laser cannon and got one shot. Like yeah, that’s perfectly fair. Totally.
Yes and no. I hated bugs from the very moment I fully understood automatons. You appreciate the planets, cover, layouts and so on much more against automatons then against an endless running simulator. Also I can’t breathe against bugs. Just breach after breach. Fuck bugs
For me fighting bugs is okay albeit just a bit boring for my thematic interests, squids can be fun but especially after Super Earth I am so sick of fighting them - bots are by far my favorite to fight
Nah, one shotting a Bile Titan/Charger, or backing Stalkers away with the Punisher like a lion tamer will never not be satisfying
Ah yes, another post about "I hate fighting X and I'm tired of pretending otherwise." How original.
What are we inserting today? Squids? Classic! Bugs? Old school! Bots? A real Connoisseur!
Choose your object of hate today for only $4,99. Only today! Completely never happened before.
They're annoying and squirming and sneaky and the none of them make a damn sound
I never like to fight bugs and avoid them at all cost. The constant melee spam Trash-units are so damn tiresome. I'm 1st: Bot and 2nd: Squid faction enjoyer. But I do like ranged combat against Military-esque enemies more than Monsters, in any game.
As a Pyro maniac and a 40k fan. No. No I don't. Lol.
Bugs are my favorite. It's so satisfying to watch the stalwart chew through'em at 1150rpm.
Yes and no. It really depends on the squad and since I play mostly with randoms it's a real crapshoot. I do hate the predator strain though.
My preference goes Bots>Squids>Bugs, but I usually follow the MO so I rotate pretty often
Pred strain is just an ammo sink.. if a stalker wants you, its gonna ignore all DOT, stun and even death to get that ragdoll on you lol
Gas dog works great for predator strain
Gas dog with lib carb or bullet dog with lib concussive are my usual go to combos with the predator strain
Gas dog with blitzer is pretty OP
Lightning weapons having stun also helps a lot. Not a huge fan of the wind up but the fact that it does solid damage makes up for it
Blitzer has no windup, just a cycle between shots? Extremely short range + unlimited firing
I've learned the arc cannon timing to make it shoot faster. Its my main. A "primary weapon" is my backup.
I’d recommend the cookout with a gas dog, it’s my latest I’m leveling up and does stun and fire. You can hit the big dark predator strain ones about two times and just move on since the dog gasses it up
I've never used lib concussive. Is it effective? Is it your main damage against bugs or is it there to stunlock so your dog can kill em.
Stun lock yeah. Gives you, your teammates, and your turrets breathing room. Stops an alpha commander charge immediately from any angle as well.
"Stops an Alpha Commander-"
That's all you had to say.
Been using the new one and it’s hella nice. I’m able to take out the 10 infront of me, the eagle pilot flying by, the fellow diver that’s on the other side of the map, and myself sometimes lol
A lot of people (myself included) don’t have it because it’s all the way at the bottom of the worst warbond in the game.
A good anti-predator non-warbond option is gas mines. Save them for bug breaches, just throw onto a breach when it forms. The mines keep the breach covered in a perpetual gas cloud. The only enemies unaffected will be bile titans and impalers. So long as someone on the squad has anti-tank for the massives, light enemies die from damage, mediums and chargers get trapped in a blind state as they stumble around. Breaches become significantly easier to control with this.
Arc thrower stuns everything except BTs
I adore the arc thrower but from the time you pull the trigger to the time you're doing damage to something there's a 1.5 second lag, which is a big deal against the predator strain. Also, you're never more than pretty sure your shot is actually going to hit something you want dead and not a stick or rock or teammate.
so the first shot is pretty slow but once you get the timing down you can cut a significant chunk of it off charging and releasing it at the right time. I have also never had an issue with hitting my target and the only TKs I get are from people jumping in front of me or right behind the bugs.
Take a jetpack. Put distance between yourself and the preds, charge while you're in flight and start unloading.
Only the first shot requires the 1.5 seconds. That time is almost cut in half for consecutive shots.
Get two people running the arc thrower with fart dogs and you can lock down an enormous amount of bugs
I love yhe arc, but charging time = straifing bugs and silent chargers.
I love locking chargers in place while my team just annihilates them. usually take the laser dog and it helps keep stuff away. only time I die is whenever Im solo and the screen is just covered in bugs.
Yep. I play medic + crowd control. It's good fun.
That and Impalers.
true, but as long as I got my trusty thermite im great(mostly)
Bring the Flag stratagem or stun Lance with a ballistic shield. Seriously you can kill chargers and stalkers with ease, melee can be incredibly strong and good
Peak Physique with Stun Lance is top tier
I’ve yet to try the shield!
That's an excellent idea when I'm being ganked by a charger, two, two stalkers, a few invisible hunters and a bile Titan staring at me ominously from the distance.
I'll just poke and prod
That's the spirit, soldier!
Get an explosive crossbow. Keeps them in place somewhat and is a 2 tap.
I love bots. But God do i have ptsd of old un nerf/fixed bots.
My boyfriend said they were fine on launch. But he stopped playing long before I did. And said I shouldn't complain about it. He said its like darksouls. Get good.
Now he plays every now and again. And says its better......
I left so much of myself at the creek that I'm not even sure I am real anymore.
Getting rando rocketed was a creek tradition that I'll never forget.
The creek made me who I am today. I miss it really. The fear, the glory, the faith.
"The fear, the glory, the faith."
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As a creek veteran, i don't remember whey were fine when the game launched lol. They are nerfing a lot of the shits (rocket damage, armor on hulks) while cranking up on some other department (gunships, factory strider and somehow better accuracy across the board).
I liked og bots. Until they lazered you through a wall, perma rag dolled you, defenses were impossible to do unless you ran around the map because they would spawn on the civs you were rescuing.
I never played during that time. Cause I had work during those time.....
I started playing sometime last November, about a month before the Omens of Tyranny update so I don't have experience with the OP bots, but I've heard the stories haha.
Predator Strain is basically its own tier. Trying to contain all those hunters and stalkers is just impossible sometimes.
The best way to deal with the predator strain is Liberator Concussive, Guard Dog and LAS-98, it’s the biggest middle finger to the predator strain
Pred Strain in Cle Elum Rediviva is worse than the fucking creek