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The strongest aura farmer in history vs the strongest aura farmer of today.
Might wanna rethink the portmanteau here. Unless you want to take Cyrene up the butt, of course. No judgment.
Who wouldn't want that?
Domestic violence as public theater.
"Show me a good time, Raiden"
Milluons of coreflames make me... a weakest Brazilian male
“How did you beat Duke Inferno like this?!”
They really having an aura-off in front of a black hole
"..............." - IX
Are THEY perhaps looking east?
Acheron is trying to kill Kevin yet again.
This time she ain't gonna succeed
Just unplug the computer he's in.
I heard from somewhere that the scepters could create things with matter, in this case, although Phainon is in a planet sized computer, their bodies are as real as they can be no? i mean in the animation we kinda see that Phainon and "Zephyro" broke free from Amphoreus
The animation is symbolic, if it was literal then how did he turn in his younger self at the end. It's all likely a simulation inside the scepter trying to keep Phainon's anger.
Their bodies are not real, no. Screwlum directly says that this world is one of data and memoria. Furthermore, the entire plotline of Phainon and Cirene figuring out that they are in a simulation would make no sense if the place was truly physical.
And if you are confused how the hell is the MC there then, well, many are confused about it too. We'll learn in future patches I suppose.
MCs probably bit into the wires like the rats they are and got sucked in.
As far as we understand rn the power of Trailblaze allowed them in somehow
Yes, through the chewing of wires. Do you think people normally chew wires? Of course not. They trailblazed that.
Trailblaze means exploring the unknown, and chewing the wires of a Scepter is one of that unknown
Hell yeah! And as the trailblazers we go full throttle!
Nobody knows what it means, but it gets the people going.
Just because one part of an animation is symbolic, doesn't mean everything else is.
For clarity: the animation isn't exactly symbolic. It does actually happen.
However, most of the battle takes place in the last "firewall" of the simulation.
They came damn close to reaching the outside world though.
Nanook and his gaze, however, are very much real and "breached" the simulation, which Phainon was counting on: his goal was to attempt to self-destruct under Nanook's gaze.
However, he survived (scratching Nanook in the process, damn), and started merging with Irontomb.
Then he will just brake out before he blowes himself up
His entity became more than just computer when Nanook gazed him just like Iron tomb. How exactly not sure
Bro jumped out the computer and punched an aeon.
I mean, Phainon did get low-diffed by Zephyro.
Phainon destroyed galaxies, he's not losing to Acheron
That was probably an exaggeration.
Says who? Acheron hasn't even shown anything yet except unsheathe her sword casually once and only because she was being coaxed to LMAO
I have yet to see Acheron injure an Aeon. She has been looking for Nihility for a long time let alone injure them she cannot even find them. By feats Acheron gets diffed.
Emenators like Acheron and Therta appear on screen all the time only to yap. Phainon got work done against a real opponent unlike them.
LMFAO ok bozo
You can say the same for any character then. Going by feats Phainon is superior by a large margin
For now
Again, I don't know why people take that metaphor scaling seriously.
Zephyro (although simulated) the guy who was low-diffing Phainon couldn't really destroy the tianua galaxy in a second, and it was actually implied that it took him years to destroy it, unlike Phainon who "destroyed" multiple galaxies in seconds while trying to reach nanook. Even if we say that it didn't take him years to destroy it, he was actually spotted in the Tianua galaxy by people, if, like Phainon, he could "destroy" multiple galaxies within a second, nobody would have even had the opportunity to spot him inside that galaxy.
So yeah, saying that Phainon destroying multiple galaxies is not a metaphor is like saying Phainon>>>>>Zephyro.
Glazing your favourite character is fine, but just don't be obnoxious about it.
Not to mention, Acheron was teased to Zephyro's equal in the fables of the star, so she DEFINITELY doesn't lose to someone who got low-diffed by Zephyro.
I wouldn’t say as his equal. It’s just that they have the same goal. I agree that we haven’t seen what Acheron can actually do. But the same goes for zephyro, and even Phainon to an extent(if you believe in the fused irontomb theory ).
In terms of feats shown/talked about. Phainon is currently in the lead with “surviving” more than 5 secs with zephyro and scratching nanook.
Phainon was not fully an emanator when that happened. People forget only after that fight and scene, he had fully merged with Irontomb. Amphoreus ending with Phainon overwriting Irontombs function to be proper anti-destruction and warforged Lord Ravager via help us is what I imagine. So what we saw strongest emanator vs a guy who wasnt even an Emanator fully and we know how those fights goes in context of hsr so no surprise there.
Phainon will gonna get a power buff likely, but one that will come after much struggle and with much greater responsibility than before.
Sure, we can scale that Phainon when we get there in 3.7 but if people are talking about the current Phainon going against Acheron, he’s cooked, nobody can discuss what lord ravager Phainon will be like if that’s even the direction they are going cos we don’t even know how strong that is or how it even works or looks like.
Obviously duh, i did not even bother mentioning that because current Phainon vs Acheron is someone who is not an emanator fully vs a very strong emanator and we all know how that goes.
I know Phainon would be a very strong LR that is anti destruction by all logic but yes till that happenes I too cant comment on how strong exactly he would be. Logicially tho Hoyos love for Kevin is strong so i expect big things.
He will probably go from getting low-diffed by Zephyro to mid-diffed by Zephyro. He needs a few more power-ups to reach their level.
>He will probably go from getting low-diffed by Zephyro to mid-diffed by Zephyro.
This is vibe scaling at best, a Proper emenator Phainon vs Zephyro will remain up in air until they clash again, he can still get low diff by Zephyro or be equal to Zephyro but we need to wait.
By vibe scaling I too can say after merging with Irontomb/Scepter Phainon gets insane power ups specially he is meant to go against Nanook and Kevin expy factor .
Irontomb and erudition pathstriders overall aren't really known for their brute power, unlike Zephyro. The reason which makes Irontomb so dangerous isn't because of its brute power, but it's anti-tech hax.
But Phainon himself is very brute focus hax so combined with Scepter he gets that gets rewritten to be anti destruction and how that works remains to be seen for far future. but even with how anti tech grimrick of irontomb works He and Celenova hinted to Nanook's most trusted LRs implying they possibily be next strongest after Zephryo and thats just Irontomb himself. Make sense because Alliance and IPC saw only mere equations of irontomb and consider it an high level emanator threat. They did not even knew about Original scepter.
Phainon did the flame giant thing after the fight with Zephryo, in what was blatantly a massive escalation of power from his normal state.
So a Kamikaze attack where he commits double suicide with his opponent amirite?
"Double suicide" implies he killed his opponent when he barely scratched his cheek lmao
That said, Flame Giant Phainon would step on every other playable character (literally) without noticing they were there. Acheron is almost certainly stronger than she's demonstrated this far, but she's not "destroy a galaxy by running past it" strong
That’s why I called it a Kamikaze technique. If that “burning into flames” move and the destruction of countless galaxies aren’t just metaphors, and he really did kill trillions upon trillions of humans and living beings who lived in those galaxies, while in the process, he also ended up having the highest kill count among the Lord Ravagers by far to reach Nanook.
Phainon would pretty much need to use that non-metaphor technique (which also made him the most cruel, inhuman, ruthless, wicked, hideous and homicidial lord ravager) technique to beat someone who is implied to be an equal to the guy who low-diffed him.
He didnt kill anybody permanently, everything besides Nanook was still part of the simulation and this got restored when the cycle looped. But Irontomb is a Scepter that became an Emanator, and its "simulation" is basically another reality.
If Phainon had done the flame giant thing outside of Irontomb, then yeah, he'd have caused hideous amounts of collateral damage. But also he only did that to reach Nanook and would have only needed like a fraction of that power if he was fighting the real Zephryo or Acheron.
Probably still take out a bunch of planets if he wasnt careful though
Simulated* galaxies. Also: Acheron erased her solar system and 2 planets without even meaning to. She is so far down the path of Nihility that even the Doctors of Chaos, whose main purpose is to help Self-Annihilators with their affliction, were unable to help her.
It was a "surpassing your limits" moment wich happens all the time in anime. And hoyo takes obvious inspiration from anime. (I mean the Phainon moment)
Right, obviously. But also: We see the outer shell of the Scepter once he passes them and strikes at Nanook.
So fun fact, the place is the Horizon of Existence, that black hole is literally IX manifest, one of their thousands.
So Acheron and Kaslana are literally farming mad aura while IX is just trying to sleep lol.
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"Acheron: Welcome to Horizon of Existence...
Acheron: This place is one of the thousands of manifestations belonging to the sleeping The IX and shapeless The Nihility, and it's also an exit out of the Nihility for the awake ones. " - Trailblazer Mission "and on the eight day".
She is the watcher of that places as an Emanator of Nihility, she can send people there, but it's not HER domain, it's a place where all Self-annihilators wind up, and a place all Self-annihilators can perceive, it is a manifestation of IX.
"The Horizon of Existence, often referred to as the Border of Nihility by the Intelligentsia Guild, marks the boundary between existence and Nihility. This boundary does not pertain to the material realm but signifies the conceptual "end of reality."
Despite the intangible nature of the border, some scholars argue that individuals affected by IX the Nihility and THEIR Path can actually perceive the Border of Nihility, akin to witnessing a total eclipse of a star. Conversely, others suggest that when this border rises like the darkened sun and reflects in one's eyes, it heralds the emergence of a new Self-Annihilator." - Data Bank.
There's nothing incorrect about my statement, Acheron can send people there but it's not her domain, the horizon of existence is a legit place known by all Self-annihilators and is even studied and theorized about alot, as it is heavily tied to the Aeon IX as again, it is a manifestation of them.
How is that wrong? Acheron literally says Horizon of Existence is one of the thousands of manifestations of IX
I wonder if they meet, will acheron know him? In her trailer kevin VA also voice the finality blade owner. Or maybe better, will welt recognize him? 😅 he look so much like kevin, even welt connect instantly with acheron because she looks identical with mei, they even share the same people background story as icarus
Every Mei and Kaslana were destined to suffer
Because Shaoji likes these couples
Kevin and Dr. Mei meeting up again like this is such a “heartwarming” story. 😂
thats wild
I really hope we get an arc where all the planet-to-galaxy level characters get to show off more cause most of their feats are either text or are really hard to interpret.
I wonder how similar is Phainon to the Kevin that she killed back in her home planet
The strongest Emanator in history VS The strongest Emanator of today.
Omg if she does show up at the end of the arc to face off with him I might not make it out alive I love them both so much
Didnt we meet Acheron in some quest in storyline? Feels possible they will meet
Kind of! She made a brief appearance at the end of 3.2 while we were in amphoreus' underworld. I just realised both that and Zephyro showing might be a tease that they'll be involved somehow later
Why would she? They have nothing to fight for.
It's highly probable he will be merged with irontomb in the final battle of amphoreus story, I wouldn't rule out tb calling on Acheron to help out. It's probably gonna be Herta vs irontomb though.
Look, that happened already in another game, now I want them teaming up to crush heads
Ohh they def should team up against Zephyro
As much as i love Acheron doubt she can 1v1 that monster
They used to date in the older games btw
Phaicheron stonks
damn, this goes soooo hard
Phainon wins
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Unironically, Phainon slaps lol
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Acheron: “My blackhole was already obliterated by Mr. Yang, it’s your turn now”
The strongest emantor of history vs the strongest emantor of today
Mei and Kevin be beefing in every universe.
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