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ZZZ Players not beating the allegations

ZZZ Players not beating the allegations
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Difficult_While7455

These ain't even allegations. They've been shouting this loud and proud for a year now.

12 hours ago
ArcherIsFine
:Kafka:

and the dev team is embracing it.

12 hours ago
NoNefariousness2144
:Bronya: to guard and defend… crush them!

That Jane Doe trailer did an amazing job making the devs stance very clear and scaring away the types of players who cry and moan about "fan service" lol

11 hours ago
jacowab

Yeah it's annoying when games keep the marketing more tame than the game and then you get a subsection of the fanbase that despises all the sexual elements from the game and causes endless infighting.

9 hours ago
Bekwnn

I don't care if the fans are like that, but man, after ZZZ 2.0 came out I just wanted to go talk somewhere about how good all the new Waifei Peninsula stuff was but no one was actually talking about the game lmao.

I'm completely indifferent to the fan service. The story and gameplay are peak. 90% of the story has been Belebog-tier or higher. Plus people act like it's Nikke or something but ZZZ's actual gameplay has less blatant fan service than Wuwa's.

8 hours ago
sweetsushiroll
:Bailu:Healer Lady knows best ~

You could check out the Discussion subreddit. The bigger subreddits have the bare minimum story discussion.

5 hours ago
jacowab

Unironically those happen in the horny posts, if you go to any of the Yixuan or Ju Fufu posts you can probably have a discussion on the new temple management system.

7 hours ago
Pretend-Average1380

I share your frustration. I love the game but the main subreddits (and there are 2 of them!) are like 95% hornyposting, so it's impossible to discuss anything. It's dumb that the community (at least on reddit) is way hornier than the actual game itself.

4 hours ago
GodlessLunatic

Id argue the story went massively downhill after 1.4 and even the build up to 1.4 wasn't handled nearly as well as it could've been

5 hours ago
Ewiwa_Moon

Pretty sure people knew from the start what kind of game it is anyways... There's a reason why the game isnt as popular as Genshin or HSR, not even at their peak

11 hours ago
Papa_Shasta

I don't know if it's because of the fan service, though. Genshin is akin to BoTW and that's one of the most popular games ever made, and HSR is a turn-based game that plays well on mobile. ZZZ is an action and reflex oriented fighter that doesn't play as well on mobile as either of those games; that alone filters out some players.

I mean, it could be the fan service, but I think there are fundamentals beyond booba that get people to play a game or not

10 hours ago
Sephiroth040

Honestly, ZZZ is one of the most fun out of these three titles if you aren't bothered by fanservice. Animations are an absolute masterclass, combat feels so fluid and good, "social links", generally the overworld feels like persona (which is awesome to me) and some other things...

Its just a good and fun game, to me it doesn't even make a real difference its a gacha. Haven't spent a single cent yet its still very entertaining. You don't even really have to play everyday thanks to Backup batteries, so if I log on once a week if I'm in the mood. Its perfect for casuals who have other games to play.

10 hours ago
dragapulty

Ik this sounds dumb, but a big reason why I play is because ZZZ has uncapped framerate support. I have a 240hz monitor, and it feels SO satisfying to play ZZZ.

The characters genuinely have amazing backstories, but the reddit community is a bit too much of a gooner cesspool that they don't often discuss it.

Also the dailies and farming is just easier in ZZZ. Massive breath of fresh air compared to Genshin.

10 hours ago
Papa_Shasta

Yeah, it's the only Hoyo game that has actually held my interest, simply because dailies are so straightforward. Even weekly check-in stuff is easy.

I have lost almost every 50/50 I have had in that game, but that's another matter

9 hours ago
TheShppingAccount

The fanservice definitely plays a role, although I personally couldn't get into it because I didn't like the start of the story very much

10 hours ago
Bekwnn

90% of ZZZ's story has been as good as HSR's Belebog imo. I really do think highest level of consistent quality of the 3 games. Like giving my subjective opinion that will probably get downvoted:

-- HSR Genshin ZZZ
Dialogue 7/10 4/10 8/10
Character Writing 7/10 6/10 8/10
Story Arcs 7/10* 8/10 9/10
World Building 8/10 9/10 6/10

And I specifically use Belebog as a reference point because it's a lot of smaller conflicts where the story is more character-driven and less expositiony lore dump like Genshin/HSR. Like HSR's Belebog was. It doesn't really focus much on the world building until the chapter 1 climax and after story.

The Cunning Hares/Nekomata arc, Belebog construction company arc, climax of chapter 1, and Vivian+Hugo stories are all on par with HSR's Belebog imo.

I haven't finished the 2.0 Wiafei Peninsula stuff yet. I also haven't finished 3.3/3.4 HSR so I'm stuck basing things off what I have played.

I will say if you didn't finish the nekomata/cunning hares arc, that story section is really elevated by the climax of its arc.

8 hours ago
countrpt

I actually think all three are good, but the styles are different, so it's partly a matter of taste.

ZZZ's storytelling is more abbreviated -- it's sort of like a film/anime adaptation of a novel, or perhaps like a manga. This gives it some disjointed/uneven pacing, as sometimes it jumps from scene to scene or speeds you through things to "keep things moving." It has cool scenes and fun characters, but sometimes can feel like a "digest" version of a story.

Genshin and HSR are more like "visual novels" in their presentation, so they tend to (usually) have more dialogue and slower pacing. They spend more time to build up the characters/plot/lore, but this makes the payoff a bit more variable (a lot more is "hanging in the balance"). Some people find this presentation style too slow, though, with the dialogue feeling sometimes meandering or redundant.

IMO, when they get it right, the payoff in both Genshin and HSR can be a tiny bit higher because of the richer build-up. At the same time, there's a higher risk of falling flat.

I will say, though, that ZZZ's 2.0 is trying for a bit of a broader story arc, so we'll see how they handle the payoff. Of the three, ZZZ has the less-experienced development team, so you can see they're constantly changing/evolving, whereas the others have a pretty set approach/style. Perhaps that means that ZZZ has the most room to improve, although I do also think both Genshin and HSR have also had strong story developments recently.

7 hours ago
Bekwnn

Yeah there's a lot to break down beyond just the ratings, but I felt like breaking it down into those 4 categories helps to say where some of their different strengths are.

Like for one example the 8/10 character for ZZZ compared to 7/10 character for HSR... really I feel they're about equal, but ZZZ puts a lot more care and personality into its NPCs and minor characters.

Heck the whole movie permanent event we just got is about highlighting those NPCs.

There's also just the matter of genre/taste. I know a friend who plays the other two but just doesn't like Persona or that sort of stylized, jet set radio, city, etc type of stuff that ZZZ really dips into. Personally, I'm pretty omnivorous.

I do think rich world building can lead to big payoffs and I hope ZZZ builds up to that one day. So far ZZZ's build ups and payoffs have been mostly driven by story arc/character conflicts and good scene writing rather than big revelations and the like.

But I do like all 3 a lot. On a whole I don't think ZZZ is better than the other two. Genshin's been kinda killing it lately and I need to finish the current HSR story people have been saying was super good.

I just think ZZZ delivers the highest level of consistent quality in its writing. Overall I wouldn't put any of the three above the other two.

7 hours ago
countrpt

I think one big part of the characterization you're alluding to is that ZZZ takes place in one central city (and surroundings), so it kind of has this "we're all friends/neighbors" vibe. They're all just a short trip away from each other all the time, and the writers smartly take advantage of this. (You'll see a little more of this in the 2.0 story when you get to it.) But both Genshin and HSR are fundamentally "travelling" games where the protagonist goes to different nations/planets and keeps meeting new people, so everything is a bit more transient in the main story. This is partly why Genshin has Paimon and HSR has the Astral Express (and, in 3.x, Mem) to try to make a traveling story feel less "lonely." ZZZ has the protagonist's sibling, of course (along with Fairy and the Bangboo), but beyond that it feels like the rest of the cast is always around.

So yeah, they've definitely all got their own charm and strengths for sure. I'm like you, pretty "omnivorous" when it comes to story, so I like all the different approaches... but yeah, I am a sucker for rich world building, so hope ZZZ keeps developing on that front.

6 hours ago
Ewiwa_Moon

Oh the gameplay itself is definitely one of the main reason as well. But Genshin and HSR got huge bc of the lack of fanservice in gacha standards. Its one of the only gacha to have actual children play and get into.

Like its bc of gameplay and fanservice rlly. You dont really hear kids play ZZZ meanwhile you can clearly see (and tell) there are plenty of actually children playing the other 2 games.

10 hours ago
pffpls

Not just kids, I've read about entire families playing Genshin, I've came across very wholesome comments throughout the years of people even getting their grandparents to play genshin and enjoy it. The lack of heavy fanservice is what made this possible.

10 hours ago
TieFit1010

Genshin and Hsr does have Fan service, it's just that it's not on the level of ZZZ or other games, they prioritize the Story and Lore over heavy Fanservice.

10 hours ago
supreme_waffle2019

The extent of their fanservice is the occasional character with stupidly fashioned armor or skimpy clothes. It's bearable enough that you won't pay much mind to it when just playing the game.

5 hours ago
Ewiwa_Moon

I never daid they don't. For a gacha game the fanservice aspect is tame

3 hours ago
ryuhen
:Kafka:Mommy doko??:IX:

Genshin lack fanservice?i thought the fandom mental break about Mav zipper,Mizuki pose ult etc..look at Ronova now people claim shes ‘not hiding her body’ enough lmao

10 hours ago
Radinax
❄️Jingliu Supremacy❄️

Those are loud minorities.

8 hours ago
linest10
:Aventurine:

It recent turn on the "aggressive" fanservice is what made many players left Genshin, also the way Genshin makes it fanservice is waaay more tame than ZZZ and ZZZ is already tame in comparasion with games like Nikke and Wuwa

6 hours ago
nicoleeemusic98

As someone who plays all 3 it's definitely the excessive fanservice, I have a bunch of friends who also play hsr and genshin and all but 2 refuse to touch zzz because of all the jiggling going on

Out of the 3 of us who do play zzz, 2 of us (me included) ignore the fanservice while the last 1 likes fanservice but doesn't play it daily

8 hours ago
potat-cat

I played the release patch, I enjoyed the gameplay, and got through all of the released content, but there just was too much fan service for me and I quit before the second banner appeared.

10 hours ago
Damianx5

Id argue thats more due to ZZZ having problems with finding its identity.

It had one, with mixing tv mode and combat nodes, but most ppl didnt like it and left, which made them hurry and remove tv mode.

To date they are still trying to figure out the replacement, now we got a semiopen exploration similar to HSR.

Still, I actually played all 3 and ZZZ is my favorite, combat is great, designs are great and the vibe is a lot of fun

10 hours ago
RelleChileno

Wait, they removed tv mode? Holy shit, I left because of that, maybe I can return now

8 hours ago
G-VALOR

It's not removed. It's just optional. When you go to the HDD, there's a toggle called "Array"

If you turn the toggle on, it condenses all the fights/missions within TV mode vs. with toggle off where you can pick and choose which missions.

6 hours ago
NeguSlayer

In my opinion, ZZZ story direction isn't as good as Genshin or HSR. It's not compelling enough for the audience to be invested in the characters. I've stuck around since the start and I never really got into the story cause every "plot twist" is obvious. Same with the story conclusion as well. It's the only Gacha thats on my list that I really do not care what the villains are up to.

But I'm sure not everyone plays for the story. TV mode was a disaster at launch along with the gooner vibe, it was clear at that point that ZZZ caters to certain audience, not mainstream.

10 hours ago
HYthinger

Im not to sure if zzz is that much less popular than star rail.

Trailers on youtube pull roughly the same viewership as hsr and the mobile revenue of the game is surprisingly high for a game that plays way better on pc and consoles. Activity on the subreddits is also pretty similar even though zzz has two main subreddits because of the early drama with the head mod on the official one.

Genshin had the advantage of launching during a time were pretty much everyone around the globe was stuck inside their homes so its not really a great comparison.

10 hours ago
TieFit1010

Genshin during the Pandemic had 13m monthly players, and right now it have between 60m to 67m monthly players lol, the game's Peaks were literally after the Pandemic, yes it helped a lot, because people were stuck in their homes, but if the sole reason why Genshin is this Popular and Successful was because of the Pandemic then the game should've died years ago, majority of the games that released during that time are either dead or barely anyone play them.

and let's be real, if Hsr or ZZZ were in Genshin's place, they wouldn't reach what Genshin reached, Open World Games are just that Popular, and the fact Genshin was the First Open World game in a DAMN GACHA Genre, was simply wild, and was one of the reasons why the game became this Popular and Successful.

10 hours ago
G-VALOR

I just enjoy all the games.

I play ZZZ because it's quickest to get done when there's nothing going on.

Star rail is my bread and butter. I fell in love with the game once it had hit console. The game just feels very "me."

I don't mind Genshin... I stopped playing a long time ago. I decided to come back to try to catch up on the story. Then Wuwa came out, and now I'm just trying to give each game attention....failing miserably.

6 hours ago
BestFriend_Sword
:Rappa:

ZZZ youtube has 1/2 the subscribers of HSR and the subreddit 1/3 the users.

9 hours ago
ConsiderationFuzzy

What about wuwa then with the cantarella trailer ?

7 hours ago
Morningstar_Strike

Im a woman and I simp for Jane Doe shes hot

9 hours ago
linest10
:Aventurine:

Ngl as a girl, Jane Doe is amazing, still not even her and cute boys will make play this game

6 hours ago
SolKaynn

Mihorny's repressed Mihorny finally being set free once more.

10 hours ago
FlashKillerX
:Kafka: DoT Supremacy :BlackSwan:

They may as well. It’s their niche, and what separates HSR and Genshin from ZZZ. It’s very much its own game with its own identity that still has that PEAK hoyoverse storytelling baked in. Super good game tbh

22 minutes ago
Little-Let-1894
PLEASE IMPREGNATE ME ZEPHYRO, BREED ME :Zephyro::Acheron:

None of us are trying to beat the allegations

https://preview.redd.it/t0bxas39wubf1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be7cac59a606b34072b9822f7a154e62b58f46b1

ZZZ Players Only Beat one Thing

11 hours ago
EnigmataMinion
:Nous: Genius Society #85

Ethereals right… right?

11 hours ago
Little-Let-1894
PLEASE IMPREGNATE ME ZEPHYRO, BREED ME :Zephyro::Acheron:

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11 hours ago
Glop465
:HMC-F::Firefly:

Yes and no

Palicus's ingame description

"Ethereals that are always seen in pairs, distinguished by their peculiar physical traits. A profound bond exists between the two.

"Whoa, that was close! Don't just deal with one. You gotta watch out for the ladies' sneak attacks!"
"Hold on, 'ladies'? Has being in the Hollow for so long made you see even the Ethereals as attractive?"
"Dude, I know Ethereals and I know ladies. I swear, Palicus are definitely 'ladies'."
"No way!"
"That long hair? Those legs? They're like total 'factory-made babes' — my sister taught me that term."
"How's your sister doing lately?"
"She's actually getting better. But next month's medical bills? Gotta hustle that cash from these Ethereal hotties."
"Ain't easy being an older brother, eh? Here's the deal: I'll keep Palicus busy, and you give me your sister's number."
"Hah. Like I'm actually gonna give you her number!"

https://preview.redd.it/4x52noon5vbf1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b061fec17fac191a420bf3921f4474a45818de95

The MC, the agents, the npcs and even the enemies are attractive in this game lol

10 hours ago
BloodSuckingToga

that's fantastic background dialogue holy shit

10 hours ago
Glop465
:HMC-F::Firefly:

The Phaethon database entries in general are insightful and/or funny

Game as as whole manages a good balance between comedy and tragedy since it it a post apocalyptic setting and yet the art direction is colourful and the characters eccentric and/or goofy and at the same time professionals

10 hours ago
VASQUEZ_41
:Herta: Herta Yes-Bot 4

i beat something extra

https://i.redd.it/hkdlq5o2zubf1.gif

11 hours ago
KamenRiderExceed

https://i.redd.it/jqrl59u81ybf1.gif

1 hour ago
scorchdragon

Each other up to see who gets to be near Venus.

11 hours ago
JanHarveyBeaks

"for a year" hit me with a dose of reality, it feels like the game just released a few months ago

11 hours ago
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11 hours ago
petyrlabenov
:Jiaoqiu:

They ain’t allegations, they’re skill sets

11 hours ago
Irisked
:Cyerne-Teaser:Brightest Star in my perfect world

They wear it like a god damn medal

8 hours ago
pokemonfan333

10 hours ago
StromTGM

Too proud, in fact

11 hours ago
heero10
:THE-Herta: Purple Glaze:Castorice:

Tourist say too proud. Realist say not enough.

11 hours ago
FireflySmasher
:Firefly:

not that I'm surprised that you're calling someone a tourist. How original lmao

11 hours ago
yogi-1998

Not surprised the word tourist has lost its meaning. Now they're using it like a generic insult to people they don't like. 

11 hours ago
DelusionalESG

Tourist is quickly becoming a word that these lolicons are trying to use as an insult for "Person who isn't attracted to fictional children".

Like, I'll gladly take the label tourist, I've been called far worse for far less.

10 hours ago
Past_Edge_7220
:Nous:

https://preview.redd.it/5grn36jssubf1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b60466c2620ca793371f17491fd067e6fdd88981

12 hours ago
Irisked
:Cyerne-Teaser:Brightest Star in my perfect world

https://preview.redd.it/kjcafxyiwvbf1.jpeg?width=522&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0beb78ad1480ecaff3e6a96275cc47881fb7fb1c

8 hours ago
MarmoudeMuffin
:Firefly: Wife

Head so empty, life so happy

9 hours ago
Rakan-Han

"Life is painless for the brainless"

2 hours ago
No-Alternative2897

They are trying to beat it?

12 hours ago
Little-Let-1894
PLEASE IMPREGNATE ME ZEPHYRO, BREED ME :Zephyro::Acheron:

https://preview.redd.it/953mj8xuvubf1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94bba82419e8f3c31fb0dd55a5fb48a15ae6607c

11 hours ago
Calhaora
:Blade:

Sorry to ..... go off topic...Your Reaction is peak but WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR TITLE?!

11 hours ago
Little-Let-1894
PLEASE IMPREGNATE ME ZEPHYRO, BREED ME :Zephyro::Acheron:

https://preview.redd.it/8fq8r5bgyubf1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=00692604241e038e6cdde56c5ed1005814e2f74b

11 hours ago
Calhaora
:Blade:

Understandable have a great day!

10 hours ago
Chromatic_Eevee

It ain't even that bad 💔

7 hours ago
Pallington
:Owlbert:The True Enigmatic Do Not Declare Themselves

The true allure of the paths extend beyond... spiritual concerns.

7 hours ago
ADMINISTATOR_CYRUS
phainon 🫃

🫃

4 hours ago
LoreVent
:Acheron: i want to give Acheron a hug :Acheron:

Answers it perfectly

11 hours ago
linest10
:Aventurine:

WHY

6 hours ago
Falkjaer

oh we're beatin' it alright

11 hours ago
ArcherIsFine
:Kafka:

meat

12 hours ago
cartercr
:Fuxuan: FuQing :Qingque:

Why beat the allegations when we can beat the meat?

9 hours ago
TheWetQuack
:Caelus::Guinaifen: 你非常非常完美, I just wanna make you smile🧡

Just beat it

~Michael Jackson

11 hours ago
kaisoo_brownies

yeah beating something alright

11 hours ago
Haemon18
Where :Constance:

MAN ZZZ players sure are eating good, free MC skin + 2 summer skins for the new units

https://preview.redd.it/z3yveti5uubf1.png?width=2559&format=png&auto=webp&s=101d28a54c74878e55aa3ac8070b6abcfb9bf825

12 hours ago
Ifalna_Shayoko
:Clara: - 危険指数上昇。前方にターゲット出現。

MC skin 

WTF ....

DAFUQ...

Lumine in shambles. Same rags for 5 yrs now.

9 hours ago
cartercr
:Fuxuan: FuQing :Qingque:

New MC skin is even coming the patch after they just got a new MC skin.

Legit got a new outfit for the 2.0 story just to be followed up by the beach outfit in 2.1.

9 hours ago
StandardizedGenie

That post about Trailblazer deserving unique outfits for every world with the toga example for Amphoreus is burned into my mind. I want Hoyo to do that so so so so much.

5 hours ago
Richardknox1996
:Mythus: Rejected By Aha (or was I?)

Bro, this comes from a place of kindness...dont look up how many Skins HI3 Gets. You'll suffer a rage induced Aneurysm.

11 hours ago
Theresa-x-Yanqing

True, there's a shit ton of them, but a bunch of them are just slight recolors, there are some really cool ones but the ones who are just a recolor take a lot of the space

11 hours ago
Richardknox1996
:Mythus: Rejected By Aha (or was I?)

Nah. Only A Ranks or lower (and the original s rank trio) get pallete swaps. Most characters have multiple skins as well and none of the p2 characters have Pallete Swaps.

11 hours ago
Irisked
:Cyerne-Teaser:Brightest Star in my perfect world

Not yet... nor they will ever do another palete swap i bet

8 hours ago
KnightofNoire

You are kinda getting outdated info. Those are only for the early chars. Later ones are all not recolors.

11 hours ago
markyrobscc1402

Nearly every patch there's a skin.

11 hours ago
Richardknox1996
:Mythus: Rejected By Aha (or was I?)

Nearly every patch theres AT LEAST 1 skin. Get it right lol. Best part is that most of them have actual effort and aren't simply Pallete Swaps.

Hey, what you wanna bet that Firefly releases in HI3 with a Skin like Sparkle and Asuka?

11 hours ago
markyrobscc1402

Pretty safe bet (Veteran from 2020, I would know), but I'm not gonna bet. Mainly because they didn't give a skin to Fischl

9 hours ago
gvstavvss
Trailblazer

their male mc is also not wearing pants 😭

11 hours ago
Past_Edge_7220
:Nous:

I know, he is wearing shorts.

9 hours ago
Hungry-Cookie-1001

https://preview.redd.it/vfgwqh6erubf1.jpeg?width=553&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b75d6c753ba2c0eb7e2fefc898e82b9b02045f8

12 hours ago
Tronicking

To all my fellow milk drinkers, I salute you😤🙌

10 hours ago
Glop465
:HMC-F::Firefly:

Random but a friend of mine made a very apt observation that Orphie and Magus is basically ZZZ's equivalent of Huohuo and Mr Tail

Cinnamon host with a dangerous and competent person attached to them as their tail

10 hours ago
sairaichi
:Acheron: Waiting for Constance my beloved

They getting free summer skins that are legit swimsuits with characters who's jiggle takes 90% of the storage

Not to mention, their MC getting free skins, specially this one that's incredibly hot, and after seeing that I can't wrap my head around why HSR skin game so weak

Amphoreus storyline was so perfect for my Stelle to be rocking a Greek outfit but devs said nah she spending 2 years wearing same shi

11 hours ago
Calhaora
:Blade:

Iam screaming this since GI in Inazuma: Where fking Regional MC Skins. Imagine we getting a Kimono/Yukata inspired Outfit there etc.

Same with HSR.. why cant we have a Loufu Inspired outfit like Hunt March, a cool Suit/Dress in Penacony and something Greek Inspired for Amphoreus... + some fun Skins like...yeah Summer-Bathing suits or Halloween stuff.. Chinese New Year etc.

11 hours ago
skryth

Genshin is definitely worse about it, cuz in Inazuma they fucking teased us by having Ayaka offer to buy us a kimono, only for Traveler to go "nah, I'm good" like fuck you too Mihoyo, give me a goddam kimono! Then they had the audacity to have Traveler wear a kitsune mask during the festival date with Ayaka only for them to not even give us that little bit!

11 hours ago
Calhaora
:Blade:

Same with the Fatui Mask. Let. me. wear. Accessories?!

And yes I was so frustrated with the Kimono stuff...

10 hours ago
TieFit1010

have you done the new Anecdotes?? in the 2nd or 3rd Anecdote for Dehya, Chiori basically offer to make a new Outfit for the Traveler and even dehya tried to make him accept the offer, but blud said "Nah Im Good"😭😭

9 hours ago
sairaichi
:Acheron: Waiting for Constance my beloved

Atp i feel like developers are tryna say something to the playerbase 💀💀🙏🏻

9 hours ago
Automatic_Advice9561

Lore accurate, do u think our raccoon would change clothes ? Naaah

11 hours ago
Top-Broccoli667

At least our racoon have various weapons and ult animation since all char in hsr have ult animation. But the twins? Only one weapon, dont even have 5* ult style even when they're 5*

11 hours ago
Tsukuro_hohoho
:Kafka:

Imagine if TB had gotten some... local outfit with the alternate form.... HMC in suit... RMC in greec-ish outfit... Preservation in winter clothes...

11 hours ago
Shmarfle47

It’s so weird that HSR has the weakest skin game out of the major Hoyo games. Hi3 is loaded with skins, Genshin gives 2 free skins and 2 paid skins every year, and ZZZ has only recently crossed the one year mark with 6 skins for agents and 4 for the proxies (2 for Wise, 2 for Belle, and the Suibian Temple outfit is customizable).

10 hours ago
igor_grazina

Genshin gives 2 free skins and at least 2 paid skins per year, 1 set on Chinese New Year and one set right before a new region

9 hours ago
Shmarfle47

Corrected. Thank you.

8 hours ago
misarteh

to find the post right under this one, this is not a coincidence anymore

https://preview.redd.it/qzo8quekxubf1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9e4926244a49dd7f420c979ab1436cc535b9517

11 hours ago
join_shrek_in_swamp
:Cerydra: Furina my beloved :Cerydra:

It's simply our destiny. Every realest ZZZ player will come across that post

https://preview.redd.it/54qm5exotwbf1.jpeg?width=935&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5891513b7c941395e9949530ceb4ba3eb9a0b305

5 hours ago
MeguMaz
:Sparkle: Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask :Aha:

Who tf said we were trying to beat them?

https://preview.redd.it/6ysrstoksubf1.png?width=942&format=png&auto=webp&s=c080b44ef7c37e51b54bf7b92814f5f511e928d9

12 hours ago
NoOne215
:Blade: Swords, Lots of Swords

https://preview.redd.it/layrccpecvbf1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22a23a1684f1fdf6e2fd60a0c5e626c7abc04f38

There is no room for doubt.

10 hours ago
LetEdgeTheseLords-
(:Fuxuan:<3:Robin:) Alright HoYo, now give me Adam

ZZZ players beat only one thing,

their meat

11 hours ago
faroosy55

3k upvote vs 600 XD

12 hours ago
mebbyyy

Yea zzz post often times get up to 10k plus with those posts, yes even now, it's kinda insane ngl

10 hours ago
Irisked
:Cyerne-Teaser:Brightest Star in my perfect world

Those who had both the audacity and curiosity to ask those question deserve them upvote

8 hours ago
Touhou_Fever
:SilverWolf:

Bruh, you think we know shame? Restraint?!

Two words: Milk. Calculations.

https://preview.redd.it/4at3xz69vubf1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05f1f1fca309d21c6e59ad1f63349dad68c5eef9

11 hours ago
little_tanooki

Fyi someone already made the math for Alice

9 hours ago
Touhou_Fever
:SilverWolf:

9 hours ago
ArcherIsFine
:Kafka:

tbf, he is asking the important questions

12 hours ago
Brilliant_Sort3666

https://preview.redd.it/58v57q6btubf1.jpeg?width=922&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a45fa566de636c1f96e371b2318fb33427fbfa2

It's the lore that REALLY matters

12 hours ago
Luzekiel

this comment section will definitely be civil

11 hours ago
Upper_Current

The allegations were embraced a long time ago. No need to beat them anymore... Unless they're into that.

11 hours ago
the_Yanfei_Lover

The last part is way too true

7 hours ago
kunafa_aj
:Lingsha: I Am A Healer,But... :Lingsha:

Can you blame them tho? The ZZZ Devs know their playerbase lol

11 hours ago
Irisked
:Cyerne-Teaser:Brightest Star in my perfect world

They wear them allegation like god damn medal of honor

8 hours ago
Zyizon
:Jingliu:lay down, I'll suck the mara-struck out of you:Jingliu:

As if we listen to those "allegations".

https://preview.redd.it/vfarrg71vubf1.jpeg?width=1342&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c75b09a1d96b266bc6557eb17b1555190e08d23d

11 hours ago
Antares428

What a terrible day to have eyes.

11 hours ago
NoOne215
:Blade: Swords, Lots of Swords

https://i.redd.it/o98rs107dvbf1.gif

My eyes

10 hours ago
TheWetQuack
:Caelus::Guinaifen: 你非常非常完美, I just wanna make you smile🧡

https://preview.redd.it/oikvsirkyubf1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ee867ac91b3ea18c75c53e8c4e8e37bc1f288e7

11 hours ago
Artistic_Prior_7178

And they never should. As far as I am concerned, they are putting Genshin, HSR, and WUWA all to shame in terms of how peaceful they are.

Still haven't forgotten what some of ya'll did during 1.6

12 hours ago
ShoppingFuhrer
:Sparkle: 生活是笑話

HSR was easily the most toxic community size for size of the Hoyo Big 3.

Genshin Could Never. Endless meta tier list comparisons, malding over Castorice passive, powercreep discussions. It's leaks sub is also easily the most toxic

Thankfully it's died down now

10 hours ago
Artistic_Prior_7178

For NOW, I would say. Call me a pessimist, but you can always trust a dishonest person to be dishonest

10 hours ago
Gistradagis

Not forgetting at all the massive dramas of ZZZ chars getting 'nerfed' prerelease, eh?

11 hours ago
Rasbold

Lmao, those were speaheaded by clowns like Kektone who ended up not even playing the game for more than a month after its release

Now 1 year later all the braindead clickbait CCs don't play the game so the ZZZ community ends up the most peaceful one

10 hours ago
datwunkid

Honestly if it scares away the clickbait CCs, I'd take ZZZ's breast milk calculation posts over content creators trying to farm drama every time.

8 hours ago
Rasbold

Those type of posts surface besides the fanart/porn, but if you interact with the community it's the same as HSR, Genshin and Wuwa, but with waaaaay less winny bitches.

Also, the game has great content creators regarding building and the community engages well with Lore discussion too.

It's funny to me that ZZZ behind the curtain is supposed to be more morbid than all the other Gachas since the lore is pretty much a post apocalypitical world with zombies and terrorists all around

8 hours ago
StromTGM

Uh huh. Sure.

11 hours ago
Nokia_00

8 to 1 Belle is wearing a thong

11 hours ago
CSRR-the-OELN-writer

I believe they're actually swimming shorts, so the answer is both 'yes' and 'no'.

11 hours ago
Sirenoman

nah, thats a belt, look where it goes in the short.
She is for sure going commando under those shorts.

11 hours ago
StromTGM

The sad thing is ZZZ ain't even a gooner game.

(Yeah, try telling me that is anywhere comparable to Nikke OR EVEN BLUE ARCHIVE)

11 hours ago
datwunkid

Unironically the content in Blue Archive isn't nearly as goonery as the community would make you think it is.

8 hours ago
Damianx5

most of it comes from the live2d backgrounds and the swimsuit alters, but the little time I played it it was pretty wholesome.

I do find the gameplay too boring sadly despite enjoying the story so I quitted, exact same thing happened with priconne redive to me (they are very similar) though for the later I dodged a bullet given crunchyroll...

6 hours ago
mcallisterco
:Clara::Firefly: Silver Haired Robot Girl Supremacy

Right, it's not even close to something like BD2 or LADS in gooner levels.

6 hours ago
Eternal_Woe

What is bro yapping about, blue archive isn't a gooner game lmao

7 hours ago
PlotPlates

Blue archive is honestly family friendly. Compared to ZZZ tho?

Ok maybe a bit. In ahead to swimsuits and bunny outfits. But ZZZ is catching up and ZZZ is more jiggle physic and more violence than it.

8 hours ago
Natural_Ad1530

Yeah, not HSR sub where you see sebian lex all the time...

12 hours ago
TheRedditUser_122
:Argenti:Idrila is the most peerless Beauty of them all:Argenti:

Is this HSR sub in the room with us rn

10 hours ago
ainz0xtkpiq45ulaey2

A wise man once said:

![img](hd2q9rr90w7f1)

4 hours ago
Houeclipse

Our lore peak too early/not in sync and let's be real, any lore discussion and hype post didn't get upvotes as much as gooner post

10 hours ago
Vast_Yoghurt1413

well yeah, they even proud of it

11 hours ago
AmazingChance3575
:Herta:Bot

The only thing ZZZ players beat is their meat

11 hours ago
crimsoneclipse118
:Jingliu: TALL WOMEN UWOOOOOOOOOGH

Why beat the allegations when we can beat our meat instead? 😭💢

https://preview.redd.it/7cjx96k90vbf1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bf72ad7efd67c4d0e1b191bbf44684f85c45983

11 hours ago
PyrraStar

To be honest as a ZZZ player that touches grass it annoys me the reputation it has. I find a lot of the men in ZZZ attractive but I am not weird about it or make it my entire personality that I rub one out to them.

11 hours ago
ishmael555

On a serious note, many players said they are doing this to gatekeep the game from bad actors. The same reason Blue Archive fanbase is doing with their crying emoji.

11 hours ago
HYthinger

Imo ZZZ and Blue Archive are among the few cases of gatekeeping actually working.

No drama farming youtubers, no toxic people stirring the pot, no puritans complaining about a bit of fan service. Its pretty great tbh.

and the best part? The devs are fully in on it (for both games). ZZZ devs give us nice skins and pyhsics and blue archive devs are completely unhinged live on stream.

10 hours ago
CEOofGex

Yep, it's exaggerated by the fanbase to gatekeep the weird normies who are frequently known as "tourists".

11 hours ago
datwunkid

4chan /bag/ threads are less unhinged than Blue Archive subreddits/Steam forums because the platform itself is just a natural filter for those types.

If Blue Archive was released a decade ago the community would not nearly be this unhinged to keep out the mainstream crowd.

5 hours ago
DJ_pider
:IX:

Double-edged sword. Whoever these "bad actors" are, they've not only pushed them away, but also any person who just wants to discuss the game they love. It also sounds like cope because, if it is a preventive measure, it's gotten out of hand because it's pretty much every post there. I like some risqué art as much as the next guy, but if I wanted it 24/7, I'd join the appropriate sub.

Their act has only welcomed licensed degens and pedophiles, which has done some pretty irreparable damage to the reputation of the community and perception of the game.

6 hours ago
Rasbold

I find it great that it filters out a lot of potentially annoying players that would make the community worst

10 hours ago
Anxious_Log_8247

something something target audience

10 hours ago
Worst_Throws_NA

Thats why I quit, the community of ZZZ is embarrassing

10 hours ago
pedrocavati

But you do rub one to them

11 hours ago
TheRedditUser_122
:Argenti:Idrila is the most peerless Beauty of them all:Argenti:

Shouldn't this be posted in the ZZZ sub?

10 hours ago
scarlettokyo OP

It's equally relevant imo

10 hours ago
TheRedditUser_122
:Argenti:Idrila is the most peerless Beauty of them all:Argenti:

How?

10 hours ago
scarlettokyo OP

Half the pic is a HSR post lol

10 hours ago
Zealousideal-Alps782

OP posted it in all the Mihoyo subs to karma farm

5 hours ago
Golden-Owl
:Trash: Game Designer with a YouTube hobby :Trash:

I think ZZZ has sorta lost the plot ever since they ditched their TV mode.

A huge amount of their storytelling was structured around that. Ditching it made for a gameplay improvement but came with a natural consequence of them having to scrap much of their initial story planning.

As of now, I don’t really know much about what the proxies and Fairy are really trying to accomplish.

11 hours ago
AnonTwo

The only plot I feel like dropped off because of TV mode is fairy. Fairy has barely existed the past few patches.

11 hours ago
iican

There’s something disjointed here and there, but I think the main story is still the same. 

My only concern is that since the TV is gone, Belle/Wise have to go to Hollow, and so far their contribution has just been deadweight and needing protection.

11 hours ago
pcrackenhead
:Acheron:

Yeah, running around as the MC in some general levels makes it just feel more like other gacha games. I liked that we were the person behind the screen, but not really directly involved, it felt unique.

I get that people hated the TV mode, even if I didn’t agree with the take, but I don’t love where it moved the game.

8 hours ago
GameWoods
:Firefly:

Tbf the plot hasn't changed much since launch. The overarching goal, find out the truth about the Fall of the Old Capitol and clear their teachers name, is still the main plot.

Right now? They're interning under Yi Xuan to hone the abilities their teacher left them while following the small lead they have on her whereabouts.

11 hours ago
AccountantRough4724

Yes, that is still the plot, but the other part of plot is that Wise and Belle are not supposed to fight physically. They were supposed to be the legendary proxies who are just behind the screens resolving the main plot. And now, they fight like an agent. And that's where they have lost the plot.

11 hours ago
datwunkid

With the end goal being to discover what really happened during the big tragic event that drives the whole premise, it was inevitable that they'd have to eventually get a powerup to at the very least be physically present since it's basically at the center of the most dangerous place in that world.

I don't expect them to be particularly competent until the very end of the story.

8 hours ago
GameWoods
:Firefly:

Thats less a plot and more so a narrative framing device.

With the removal of TV mode it seems the devs lacked a good reason to keep the main characters out of the action.

Granted, their still doing Proxy work, they're just now are actually in the field, one going with the agents while the other runs mission control

11 hours ago
AccountantRough4724

Yes, that's true. However, it still changes how the plot moves forward as the story needs to consider the change in their characterizations and how they interact with the story, which changes the direction of the plot. Like, imagine the risk of them dying in the field unlike when they had only operated safely in the confines of their store. That significantly alters the way on how they move forward towards their goal.

10 hours ago
trung2607
:Sparkle: you gotta love crazy ahh women

Where is this "fighting prozy" you speak of..

I would like to know very much so.

11 hours ago
hoeyster1998
:Trash: I hate self-inserts

Storytelling presentation took a hit after that. We got less comic strips and more black screens now.

10 hours ago
NegZer0

The only real way this feels true is that Fairy currently feels redundant since the main thing it did was tied to TV mode.

11 hours ago
_Dengler_

it didn't make for a gameplay improvement

11 hours ago
IcenMeteor

What the proxies are trying to accomplish has been the same since the start and has only become clearer as time has gone on. They want to clear their teacher/surrogate mother's name and find out what really happened during the HZ disaster.

At the end of season 1 they get a clue tying what happened to her to the Exaltist group, so season 2 is moving them to investigate that. The game isn't cryptic or vague about any of it either, the proxies straight up say what their goal is out loud and share what they're looking into with their allies, so the only way you wouldn't know is not having played/read it at all.

11 hours ago
forumz3588

Their goal has been the same since the beginning and the story continues to progress. Not sure what you are confused about. Maybe try reading and watching the story instead of mashing skip, idk.

11 hours ago
rubendoesthings

Yeah im someone who mainly plays the game during my free time and even i know wise and bell are trying to figure out the truth about what happened on the day the old capital fell. Its explained during the sons of calydon chapter iirc. The chapter where tv mode was basically ditched so its evident the tv mode isnt the issue here

11 hours ago
RightProposal4558

If ZZZ didn't ditch the TV World, I no doubt would have ditched it by now. It was the single most braindead part of the game and sapped a lot of enjoyment out of it. I could go on about it but since it is gone, I'll just simply put it: good riddance.

10 hours ago
ryuhen
:Kafka:Mommy doko??:IX:

ZZZ Devs is best currently..gib me Kafka swimsuit skin pls

9 hours ago
IndependentCress1109

If only Genshin and HSR embraced such peak

11 hours ago
Living-Specific8941

Wrong sub reddit

12 hours ago
TieFit1010

who told you we want to beat those allegations?? we embracing them.

12 hours ago
Tyberius115
:Cyerne-Teaser: Future E6S5 Cyrene main

My favorite hoyo community fr

11 hours ago
mercauce

tbh the story has been very underwhelming in zzz recently, not that it bothers the reddit zenless sub, but this really bothers me as someone that's playing for gameplay AND story, they basically made the big bad of the story into a villain of the week storyline, and instead of making tops a morally grey faction, it turns out all of its shady stuff was because of the cultists' corruption from the inside.

7 hours ago
EpicQuackering437
Based and :Firefly: :Saber: pilled

If only HSR's community was that based

12 hours ago
bafabonmain

i prefer zzz cause genshin and hsr story just doesn't interest me anymore, hsr i was really invested in until penacony happened, and amphoreus just bores me, genshin story just got really boring in sumeru and i never really had any interest in continuing from there, i like zzz story cause until right now the story is mostly focused in whatever character is in the banner and doesn't try to do big connections with whatever the ultimate villain of the story will be

7 hours ago
Blue-bat

We never tried

12 hours ago