KingOfTheHill
One day you wake up and you’re 60….you’re 60 Hank!!!
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He'd be 48 here, assuming the timeline of Bobby going from 13 to 21 is consistent. That midlife crisis hit him hard.
He'd actually be 44; if John Redcorn aged as much as everyone else did during the original series, he was only 36 when the series first ended.
The floating timeline is kinda messy.
I was taking his "You look up and you're 40" line literally, since 36 to 40 is a pretty generous way to round. But could just be the later season writers forgetting details like they often did.
Personally, I like to think that John Redcorn was always lying about his age, because he's generally a vain and immature person. His affairs, his inability to see that he's not the victim in the Dale/Nancy/Joseph situation (JOSEPH is. John Redcorn should want to be willing to go along with the lie for JOSEPH'S STABILITY.) The Heavy Metal Band and Casino? "A Sweat Lodge is a super, super spiritual thing to my people. But I charge to let white guys use it." He's all image.
So I have no problem believing that John Redcorn is actually in his mid to late 40s in the series, but just lying about his age so he doesn't have other people see him as the old man of the group.
And then one day, bam, there's the wall. Now he's over 55, and he looks older.
My issue with John Redcorn has always been him doing the things he’s done and then using the fact his Native American as a excuse or a crutch for most of the series, the guy got mad someone else was raising his son and instead of stepping up he decided to keep playing his games and birth other children.
using the fact his Native American as a excuse or a crutch for most of the series
Since when? His resentment was through the lens of his being Indian, but he never used it as a crutch or excuse for why he let it play out for so long, it was kindling leading him wanting to blowing up Nancy's spot.
Also, Redditors act like John was this non-presence in Joseph's life, but that was absolutely a retcon for the sake of the Thanksgiving episode, even with the Aliens episode, there was admission that John was in Joseph's life, and the scene where he's fixing Dale's fence implies that, while they were together, Joseph was definitely a masculine figure for Joseph.
But the inclusion of another woman (early on) is a really weird thing to come after him for, when Nancy was specifically stepping outside of a marriage to sleep with him. Who is the arbitrator of what the rules of non-monogamous parties are, and why does this magically make John somehow worse? Because he was not totally faithful to the unfaithful housewife he was banging?
"To the white man. Who steals our land, and steals our sons."
That's him using it as a crutch. It's explicitly "Dale stole my son and got away with it because he's white," when in reality John Redcorn stole Dale's wife, and still gets away with it because... that's just the way it goes.
That's not a crutch, that is an indirect way of him airing his grievance in a way that others are aware of the signal, but without directly saying it.
If anything, it's respecting "buh stability" that you were complaining about.
Also nobody stole anyone, evidence points to Dale neglecting Nancy for years, and really only getting away with no divorce because Nancy is the bread-winner and didn't want to pay an alimony.
It is a crutch, the guy didn’t want to step up and take care of his son, he let a white man do it. In his mind that’s a way of sticking it to the whiteman which he is using as a crutch to be a shitty father. “I’ve had enough of other people raising my son” he uses it as an excuse to be a shitty person. When things don’t go right he blames everyone else but himself. Dale got him part of his land back and how does he repay him? Being a shitty person to him after Dale worked hard for that land.
It is absolutely a crutch. "How could she leave me for that?" It's 100% a John Redcorn's Reasoning problem. Nancy wasn't his, she was Dale's. Maybe in a parallel universe, John Redcorn would have been the best father in the world to Joseph, but I'd more readily believe that the John Redcorn that we have isn't mature enough for that. He'd have been cheating on Nancy with whoever- just like he actually DID, with Kate's mother. "Visited by the same Alien, likely during the same week, possibly even the same night!" As Dale put it.
Evidence suggests that Nancy and Dale were still happily married at that point, and other than Dale being away from home when Joseph was conceived, he saw no reason why he couldn't be Joseph's father. Dale and Nancy's sexless marriage only became such after her affair started. And that, again, is on John Redcorn.
Look, I love the character, and I genuinely felt for Jonathan Joss and everything he was going through, and Redcorn has some of the best character development in the entire series... but he's still wrong about some things, and he ABSOLUTELY conflates things that suck, personally, for him, no matter who is to blame, with historical wrongs done against the indigenous tribes of the continents which would come to be known as the Anericas.
"How could she leave me for that?" It's 100% a John Redcorn's Reasoning problem. Nancy wasn’t his
tbf, it wasn’t only John Redcorn who saw him and Nancy as “a couple” and thus that “she left him”. The humor in the line “I slept with Dale…Oh God…What if John Redcorn finds out?” is that Nancy sounds distraught over being found out of “cheating”…with her own husband.
Not really Nancy was cheating on Dale with John Redcorn two years into the marriage.
To the white man 🥂
The WHITE... Man? huh?
It’s probably the closest moment John Redcorn came to using his native background as a cop out for his self made issues…
That's an excessively realistic character flaw to have, and a huge part of what makes him a good character.
Well yeah I like John Redcorn but the dudes a pos too haha
I would say everybody but Nancy was the victim in that situation, and even then it isn't as if Nancy was totally out of pocket to be dissatisfied with Dale as a husband until their rekindling.
But the idea that you should keep lying to a child about the identity of his paternity for even longer, well after it should have been, because it's somehow for their stability, is the exact kind of cope the parents of an adopted child will tell themselves. It guards the parent, not the child who, past a point, deserves the honesty.
And NDN cultures are not all closed cultures (most of the existing ones are not), and allowing them to be a venue for recoupment of capital that was lost as a consequence of genocide is certainly not something for white people to be judgmental of, especially when he was approached by Hank.
I have no opinion on the age lie, because I always got the sense that he WAS a little younger than the rest of the group. There's no reason to think he wasn't lying about recently or nearly turning 40 in this big huge vent at Hank, and it isn't as if he wasn't a roadie, and just in "bad ways" throughout his young life that wouldn't have converted into an aged look later on.
I don't like that I've aged enough that they're closer to how old I am now than when the show was originally on.
Redcorn went from having a sixpack to sporting a six-head.
His forread was just reclaiming land
His hair was stolen by the white man.
Oh Peggy
Hiding affairs takes alot out of person. Lol
Dale took all the fun out of it, so it became a chore 🤷♂️
Well, John Redcorn certainly has that Geddy Lee look going on for him.
Okay, so this would be season 4. The years go weird in the KotH timeline and aren’t 1 to 1 with the seasons. So, we know we can add a minimum of 10 years due to the time jump from end of season 13. Best we can do aside from that is take context from the episodes as to the year it is and approximate. It’s 9 actual years between season 4 and season 13 but that probably doesn’t matter.
Bobby and gang are still in middle school in that final season so let’s say it’s their final year. So let’s say that they’re all about 13 or 14, max of 15 going into high school. And the final episode of S13 that’s 4 years of high school and 6 years of life, college, whatever and we have them at 23-25. So how old are they roughly in season 4? (I’m jumping between apps on my phone so I’m going to save here and come back after a little bit of figuring.)
Okay, so if we figure that Bobby and Joseph turn 13 in season 5 that leaves us with 8 seasons in which they age max of 3 years between. Bobby has his birthday in summer of season 5 and Joseph is just as school starts. I’d say they’re close to birthday cutoff so they could even be closer to 16 when they start high school in year 0 of the time jump. That leaves John Redcorn aging 4-5 years, maybe 6 by the time the series is over depending on how close he was to 37 when he said he was 36. Assuming he’s telling the truth of course. So John is more than like 42 or 43 during season 13. 10 years time jump, he’s 53 or so when we meet up again. Does that sound about right to y’all?
Nancy’s wig looks good!
Makes me wonder about his heritage honestly. Full blooded Native Americans don’t experience baldness like other ethnicities and Redcorns hairline here is looking pretty rough.
Would be pretty ironic if John Redcorn's Native American mom had an affair with a white man.
And he never found out.
He looks mostly Native American, could be one of his grandparents or great grandparents.
Do you think they will keep canon that Nancy is actually wearing a wig?
These new images keep popping up and I need a source!
He aged probably the worst
Stephen A. Redcorn
did redcorn get that same procedure jeff bezos' wife got to her smile?
Oh sug
Where are all these images from the revival coming from lol I can't find them anywhere but here
I know how he feels. I used to have long beautiful hair... Now it's pretty thin...and I'm 45..
He looks like Chronos from Venom metal band
Part me wish they have Dale be right and he is gay. He is just friends with Nancy since Joseph knows he’s the biological father but Joseph doesn’t care.
I like the idea of John Redcorn and Nancy being friends (I'd like to see them be business partners or something in the reboot) but it's always weird when reboots suddenly change someone's sexuality entirely (usually straight to gay), like what Frasier did with Bulldog. It always feels so out-of-character; in this case, it's easy to see that Redcorn was in love with Nancy in the original show.
If he were gay how would he be Joseph’s biological dad?
Bug Gribble, Dale's dad was gay. He had Dale due to it being the 50s (or 60s), and being gay was not socially acceptable.
I get that. He went into a marriage to cover that he’s gay.
Why homewreck and womanize so much if you’re not even attracted to women.
Comes out later in life. It happens.
Sure, but that doesn’t explain why he had sex with so many women and wrecked homes over it.
Unless he’s bisexual which means he still had sex with Dale’s wife behind his back for over a decade. So it’s not really a funny plot device at that point.
Why John, though? Let's just make Hank gay.
Sweet Nan Nan has still got it.
😂 bruh wth?
Age gets the best of us Shug!
This is a weird analysis but John redcorn may not be pure Native American.
People of pure native ancestry don’t go bald, not counting diseases or mutations.
Damn does John Redcorn look great!
Nah redcorn would have been all over rogaine and the other at the first hint of hair loss.
I'm 60 years old, I don't need this crap.
John Redcorn is looking great in old age.
I don't think 60 is right. When he originally delivered that line he was turning 40 or having recently just turned 40. Only roughly 10 years could have fast because well Bobby wasn't 1 at the end of the series and we've learned that he is just turning 21
KotH doesnt have consistent aging/timelines, they can all be whatever age and it fits. Luanne went through like a decade of school and jobs and such while Bobby barely aged at all
Their ages will probably be more based on what story they want to tell/generational dynamics they want to represent than by choosing any particular time in the OG as canon. There is no canon timeline that makes sense.
I think Luanne actually went through all of that in three years time.
It’s not out of the norm for a White girl from a lower socioeconomic class in The South to bounce between many jobs, community college and beauty school, then not graduate either and end up married to a guy on disability and have a baby. All in three years time.
Bobby by comparison doesn’t seem to grow/age at all because going from sixth to eighth grade doesn’t hit any major life event. He also didn’t hit a physical growth spurt like Joseph.
This is the thing, like some stuff doesn’t make sense but it does if you’re from here.
I know lots of girls from school that fit the bill of LuAnn.
Exactly.
Women her age from broken homes live two lifetimes between the ages of 19-21.
No way, at least 2 years on beauty school alone right? Based on mentions of exams and semesters and such? Maybe I’m misremembering. Then for the community college, that was at least a semester and Id thought 2 semesters. Then on top of that her multiple careers, and meeting and dating and marrying the man she loved afterwards, not to mention everything that happened before, 3 years feels too low. I always thought 7
She didn’t do a full beauty academy tenure. She dropped out after one semester. That’s why when she worked at Hottyz she had to work under Bill who was a licensed Barber (and had the money for the chair lol).
All the jobs she had were while she was either in the beauty academy or part time at Arlen Community College.
I think people are viewing her schooling, her dating life, and her work life as happening in separate years. They all overlapped.
She was always in some school and working and dating simultaneously.
She didn’t work under Bill. She got her hairdressing license at the beginning of that episode.
I never remember her finishing the beauty courses, but I was mistaken apparently!
She definitely dropped out of beauty school.
That’s what I thought, though I thought that wouldn’t allow her to be licensed in that episode.
She was like 17 or 18 when she first moved in with the Hills and turned 21 later in the series, so 3 years seems spot on.
She turned 21 in season 7 out of 13
I think they state that she was at community college for two years.
Yeah we really gotta stop trying to read so much into things. It's a cartoon.
I know. Soon people are gonna bring up Peggy’s family and past again.
I want her to have a completely new family/backstory for the reboot. Would be hilarious
Oh god please!
Her new mother was the head of Mensa hence why Peggy is such a genius in her own mind
Some uncles go this way, especially if they have MPB in their history. Pushing 50, some guys will look like this. John was a roadie, and in band until 40, so like... I don't want to SAY drugs, but.
Drugs.
I know Pamela Adlon said Bobby was 21 a few years ago but all the press releases just say "20"s and if he owns a restaurant he'd likely be over 21.
Has 21 been confirmed by anything other than that interview? Because things might have changed since then
It’s only been 7-8 years
That's what I'm saying