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On Platform Video Submissions are Now Temporarily Allowed
Due to continued issues with Twitch Clip thumbnails for the last 2 weeks, we have decided to allow reddit platform video submissions to the subreddit, instead of requiring links to clips.
This is being done both due to the thumbnail issue and because of other benefits to on platform content, such as algorithm boosts, and videos that are easier to view. We suspect that there are significant ease of use viewing benefits, especially on mobile, for on platform video submissions in comparison to off platform links.
Please keep your submissions on-topic related to livestreaming, influencers, and gaming! And give us feedback on how you like this change as a viewer, as if it goes well we may keep it.
Edit: If you are posting drama related posts remember that our clickbait rules still apply! Please be extra careful.
Discussion
give us feedback on how you like this change as a viewer
tl;dr awful change you should revert, what everyone else said, but I'll comment anyway and add some things:
Benefits of clip links:
- clip is guaranteed to not be edited, and shows exactly what channel it's coming from (important for drama/controversial clips)
- the clipped channel gets the views/traffic (helps keep creators happy, and helps avoid DMCAs/takedowns on reddit)
- ease of clicking "watch full video" to go to a timestamp (massively important for almost all clips, of any kind; way more important than thumbnails)
- your mirror bot automatically mirrors them with no human intervention, keeping the clip's "we can trust this is genuine" quality intact even if it gets removed from twitch/etc (not so for video uploads)
Allowing video uploads ruins all this, and merely requiring a source link doesn't really cut it; it's cumbersome, the source might not be the top comment unless you pin it, users can redact/delete/edit their comments, they can provide a false link or a link to a deleted vod and be unable to check to confirm clip integrity. Most users won't, but the opportunity is there, and it's so easy to just not allow video uploads and remove the requirement of trusting people.
I agree that on-site videos "work better" on average than twitch clips, but it feels really inappropriate for this subreddit and I hope you revert the change asap.
(also you're massively overestimating how big of an issue "no thumbnails" is; the subreddit is not "so broken" from most user's perspectives, the most important thing here that needs to "work" is just the mirror bot)
clip is guaranteed to not be edited
wasn't this an issue with the pirate drama because he was editing the clips? channel can modify the clip lengths on their end so what was being linked initially is was altered to something different.
With how easy it is to manipulate a video, broken thumbnails are absolutely not a good enough reason to open Pandora's box on this.
This is a pretty awful idea. I very frequently use the clip as a jumping point to the stream vod for context, and this change makes that impossible. Clip mirrors are also completely broken with this new implementation.
Are thumbnails that important to people? I only use old reddit on web and RIF on mobile and the thumbnails are time tiny and off to the side. So, I'm not sure if "new" reddit currently explodes out the thumbnail making the posts look weird without them.
Twitch clips are broken anyways and the chat is wildly out of sync - so there's no real loss there and less difference between an external twitch clip or a natively imbedded clip.
I'm not sure if "new" reddit currently explodes out the thumbnail making the posts look weird without them.
Oh it's bad. Old reddit ftw.
Should you not require a link to the clip as well in the comments? Both because that would be good to have for people who want to find more and because otherwise it would be easier to break some rules. If you can't see the original you also open the door for edited clips and out of context clips.
Depending on how temporary this is I think it can be implemented with the bot so that it automatically comments and asks for the link and it it's not provided the submission is hidden.
You could also require manually "flaring" post by adding the username to your post title as [username].
significant ease of use viewing benefits, especially on mobile, for on platform video submissions
Not for me, I often have issues with the reddit player only loading half the clip.
I also suspect this would be significantly worse for creators since they won't get any views and probably much less followers.
Now I can't filter out pointless destiny/hasan/etc drama because it doesn't get flaired. Should've thrown up a poll up first.
You'll survive
I was wondering why none of the thumbnails were loading, thought it was a problem on my end for a while.
Same here
Downsides: fake videos, no flairs, worse video quality, poor or no clickthrough to source channel, copyright infringement
Upsides: ...uh... people using dogshit mobile apps get a slightly better experience I guess?
I'm already mad at reddit for this horribly thought out "Top 1% Poster/Commenter" thing that on mobile makes it so you can't see the tag of what channel the clip is of. Now you're taking away views on the clips themselves entirely? This isn't something I support. I hope you rethink this. It feels like a very insular move. Edited clips, old clips, misrepresentation of who's in the clip, inability to scrub the VOD for context, too many problems here.
Unfortunately the subreddit is so broken right now that there aren't many other options.
As for out of context clips, we can address this as it comes up, or require people to post the context within the clip.
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There needs to be first party links to clips.
If I can just upload my own clip, I can doctor it any way I see fit and misrepresent anything I want, it'll catch steam, I get caught, but by then the damage is done.
First party links.
Its been two weeks already and there are severe signs of degradation. Reposts of TikToks, edited videos, I might as well just be watching stuff on YT.
I can't imagine "the algorithm" matters very much in all of this, and nobody cares about thumbnails not showing up
I wouldn't describe that a degradation. Diversifying the content on the subreddit is a benefit, not a drawback. If content gets posted from non-traditional sources, I would consider that an absolute win.
The biggest complaint about the subreddit has always been that people are sick of seeing the same couple streamers or the same types of content. And from an absolute numbers perspective, its only like, what 1-2 posts a day from the things that you mentioned? Yeah thats fine. Its not like the entire subreddit is being replaced because 1-2 experimental posts get some traction.
Well it's not really a diversification, but an obscuration of the source? There are clipping mechanics for every major streaming platform, aside from mobile-first live platforms, like TikTok, Instagram, FB. When someone downloads a clip, to then reupload, we then lose track of the original source of the clip. It would definitely be preferable to use the native clip link, and then resort to manually uploaded version, if the original platform doesn't support it. But the clips that are uploaded are taken from existing videos (not livestreams)
The issue of seeing the same streamers comes down to people only clipping and posting the top streamers, when there are thousands out there. Mandating another form of content wouldn't inherently change that.
Since everyone seems against this, I'll add one note of support for it, being that links to twitch clips from reddit haven't worked on mobile for me for years. I only browse reddit on mobile. If there isn't a working mirror clip in the comments, I simply can't watch the clip. There have been many, many times this was the case, where I see a post for a clip I want to watch, go to the comments, there's no working mirror, and I just have to move on because I can't watch it.
If you don't make it a requirement to link the clip source like normal, and I'm talking the link to the twitch/kick/YT clip (not to a tweet, article, or youtube video) -- you're going on one hell of a slippery slope. Because you're not going to check if a clip is actually recent and not manipulated.
there was literally a post made within the last hour or so that was completely unrelated to streaming and was just some racist spammer trying to get clicks