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Help me date this globe
I know it’s in French so it’s a bit more difficult but here are pictures of each continent, feel free to ask any extra pictures !
Discussion
What happened with Europe? 😭😭😭
Those borders are wild!
The borders on this globe are terrible. British Columbia has never looked like it appears here. The BC - Alaska border dispute was settled in 1903 and none of the pre-1903 claims look remotely like what is depicted on this globe.
Making regions with long coastlines like Italy and Finland the same color as water was certainly a choice.
The ink faded. Had the same issue on a crappy globe.
Clearly the blue is land
here before someone posts that fucking stupid repetitive joke (you know which one)
Do you mean
🎶Istanbul to Constantinople 🎶
Or
Well, first you're going to want to buy them a drink...
drink
Don't drink
Compliments
Oh come on I was gonna upvote that comment.
Dad made this thread serious..
Dad has clinical depression
Do you mean buy it flowers
variations of that joke, yes
its french, you should play to crowd with some brie and wine.
Tell her she's pretty
Late 1920s!
Early 1920s and no later than 1922. For that matter, since Poland already has its interwar borders, it can't be earlier than 1921 either.
No shot a map made before 1925 would have Oslo labeled as Oslo and not Kristiania
But Yugoslavia is on there which was made in 1929!
and central australia which from a quick google is 1927 - 1931
It says serbie croatie, which could be the kingdom of the serbes, croats and slovenes between 1918-1929.
Yugoslavia was founded in 1918 and had its interwar borders by 1920.
It can’t be before 1922 since it says USSR (URSS) in the top corner, and that name was not used before December 1922
Moreover Egypt is independent, which also happened in 1922.
It also can't be before 1924, as St Petersburg was renamed Leningrad only after Lenin's death.
It could be earlier. It appears to show German New Guinea (which ceased to exist in 1919/1920- although not clear enough to see whether its treating Kaiser Wilhelm Land separately or just naming it as part of the Territory of New Guinea) and doesn’t show Northern Ireland (created 1921).
Odd one for sure.
The border between Sweden and Norway is so lazy 😅
Has to be earlier I think, unleas they messed up Ireland - Irish free state and NI should be separate on the island from '22. But post USSR. So 18-22 if it's accurate.
I don’t think this map is very accurate at all
It's not
It’s not a globe super-focused on precise borders, that’s for sure.
First you need to ask for consent
1927-31
If you look at Australia, to what today is the Northern Territory, you can see it is split in two. That was for that four year period.
- Date on which the border between Peru and Chile is confirmed with Tacna returning to Peru and Arica remaining on the Chilean side.
Aight so you wanna date the globe? Well, start by making sure the globe isn’t already in a relationship, and then you’re gonna wanna talk real smooth, you got this champ!
1918 to 1929 based on how Yugoslavia is shaped and labeled.
Partitioned Ireland started appearing on maps around 24/25 so after that.
People make mistakes and use outdated information, which makes it hard to put upper bounds the date of a map. Someone could easily have drawn this in 1950 -- it just wouldn't have been accurate.
But when things appear that didn't exist before and would not have been likely guesses, that sets lower bounds.
Leningrad is present, so 1924 is the earliest plausible date. I don't see any other hard lower bounds, but there is strong evidence that it is before the late 1930s.
Edit: Central Australia puts it up to 1927...
This should be a pretty definitive example of the fact that globes made for schoolchildren are not definitive representations of real-time geopolitical borders. It's a giant mess filled with mistakes and historical inconsistencies, and the only way tell what year it is from, outside of a pretty broad range, is if the date it was manufactured is stamped on it somewhere.
Here’s what I got based on this: 1924-1929 but I can’t see if it’s Tokyo or Edo, so that’s kind of a guess.
Yes, but the globe is not labeled in english, so the mother of all map-dating guide does not apply.
You should try to start a conversation first.
No Acre in Brazil, it was part of Bolivia. So it's before 1904. Bolivia has no seashore, so it's after 1879
NOOOPE!
What's written under the guide's title?
"Assuming it's complete, labeled in english, and detailed enough"
Acre was still Bolivian territory, not yet purchased by Brazil in 1903. So that globe is probably older."
Umm, tell the globe you love it
Help me date this globe
I told the globe you're really nice, you regularly call your mom, and you have a great sense of humor.
Yeah. That's how I understood the question, too.
😎👍
I think you should start off with some candles, and a luxury menu on the table, inside of an authentic restaurant for the night.
Well, first you should probably take it out to dinner. ;)
Not sure when Glasgow & Edinburgh were actually the names referring to Perth & Dundee
Pre 1934. In 1934 the Italians changed the name to "Libya". https://afrolegends.com/2014/03/24/why-the-name-tripoli/
Vilnius (Wilno) was part of Poland only between 1920-1939
The borders are rough but my guess would be early 1920/late 1919
seems to be after WW1 ended but before Northern Ireland was created, so I'd guess between 1918-1921. and based on a comment below "Vilnius (Wilno) was part of Poland only between 1920-1939" I could even guess 1920-1921
Northern Ireland doesn't exist and Ireland is independent and one country. Only time this happened is pre 1801, so just a big inaccuracy, based off the very mixed dates of things that people are reporting it seems like late 1920s, but not that accurate
Likely 1928-1929. Central Australia only existed from 1927-1931, which is strange when it doesn't coexist with the USSR. This map probably comes from an outdated map of Afro-Eurasia, around 5 years old, and a newer map of oceania, 1-2 years old. In reality this could be anywhere past 1927, though at least to me 28-29 seems the most plausible balance of an old and a new map.
Late 1920s, after Petrograd was renamed Leningrad and Central Australia was separated from the Northern Territory. But it looks like whoever made it drew most of it from memory. My sympathies to the good people of Estonia.
no south sudan so before 2011
Hey, if you play the game "Date Everything!" you CAN date a globe. Her name is Gaia and she has a Newfie accent.
1918-1922
Probably 1924 but it is highly flawed. Leningrad was named in February 1924. But Turkish borders never looked like that after the Turkish war of independence(1923) Also Tanu Tuva and Mongolia are drawn within China which also indicates 1924. Touran probably refers to the Turkestan Autonomous Region of USSR (also 1924)
That globes out of your league OP.
Rhodesia!!!!!
I want to date this person's globe too
Pre 1921 because Ireland is referred to as British.
Late 1919, early 1920, France have Marash in Anatolia
If the canadian provincial borders are accurate it has to be before Manitoba's expansion in 1912
Tell it it has pretty eyes.
1918-1921 post WW1 Poland, and pre partition Ireland
Be a gentleman first.
I suggest a nice Italian dinner
Looks to be from somewhere between 1917 to 1921 ish
Such a pretty globe.
French from 1930-1939
USSR makes it older than 1922
Czechoslovakia means pre 1939
No India independence
Colonial Africa and Southeast Asia
No post-WWII countries like Pakistan, Israel, or East/West Germany
2030 because ireland is reunited as 1 independent country.
What's the diameter or the circumference of this thing? Some of the awry details might be down to small size in the printing and application on the spheroid? 🤔
Hungary. Separated from Austria-Hungary and split up in 1921. This map does not yet have the current borders set in that treaty (Trianon). It shows that parts of modern day Hungary are under Romanian rule, which means this is during the 1919-1920 Romanian-Hungarian war. The war started in 11.1918. And ended in 03.1920. So, these parts are already occupied, not yet handed back over, I'd say this map was made in 1919, it likely came out mid to late 1919, perhaps even 1920 and was already outdated.
But, it's also a possibility that it's just incorrect. Central European borders were very murky from 1918 till about 1922. And again from 1937 till 1945.
Just be yourself don’t push too hard dude
Just tell it how you feel and ask it if it wants to go for a drink.
Who says the globe is correct? I think they had day labor putting on the names.
Tell it your true feelings and just be yourself
Take it out to a nice restaurant
Of the Interwar Period, I'd say. Although the quality is bad, a lot of borders are wrong. For example East Prussia is way too small.
Ask it out for dinner and a movie.
French, probably around 3pm or 4pm, after a heavy bout of afternoon drinking.
Why does Argentina own all of grand Chako?
Date it?? But didn’t you just meet it??
It’s just wrong, shoes all of Ireland as independent, last time that was true countries like Italy and Germany didn’t exist.
post sykes-picot 1916 and pre 1921 reason Iraq/Syria split according to the Syke -Picot agreement and Jordan not showing so pre 1921
How do the external parts of it look? Like the stand and such? The map makes no sense to me and seems low quality. That makes me think it’s a modern-ish globe made to look old and for decoration more than actual map usage
Saint Petersburg is named as Leningrad. So after 1924
Bolivia and Paraguay have pre-Guerra del Chaco borders so its before 1932.
1946.
It’s Leningrad bur Kenigsberg. The only year it was already a part of USSR but not yet Kaliningrad.
Other European countries make questions, as if it’s just some random art-related semi-fictionL globe, not an actual globe.
Damn it's from right after when I want a globe from! Appears to be post WWI. I very much want a pre-WW1 globe.
Pre WW1. No country of Moldova
Seeing as Ireland isn't partitioned I'd say probably around 1921.
You’d think putting dates on something like global maps would be a priority
The ©️ message printed on the South Pole says 1929 fabriqué au France. 😂
Maybe see if it wants to go for coffee? Try to avoid any discussion of it's age, you don't want to offend it.
Interesting to see a globe showing the Brazilian and Canadian states but not the US ones
The US has state borders too, they're just VERY faded. You can kind of make out a dotted line between California and Nevada if you zoom in.
1918-1941 I decide according to the borders of Lithuania.
Constantinople->Alaska->South Africa-> No Austria-Hungary->Leningrad = 1924-1929
Be kind, show interest and let the conversation carry you.
Well, my go-to would be just being honest with the globe, say you really like it and if it would like to grab a cup of coffee with you sometime.
Start by finding out if you both have any similar interests. If you do, suggest getting together at an event where you can both share that interest.
For example, if you and the globe both enjoy totem pole carving, look for a totem pole carving workshop and suggest going along together, and maybe go for a meal afterwards.
first you should start by approaching in a non-intimidating way and perhaps offer a compliment, then ask if it would like to meet for coffee or a drink later
You want to first ask it questions about itself to sound like you’re interested. Listen more and talk less. Try and be loose and funny but not desperate and interrupting. Maybe meet up for coffee or drinks at first so there’s less pressure to stay for awhile if it’s going poorly. If it goes well plan for a second date, maybe a dinner or a fun activity you both enjoy. Don’t be pushy. Respect its boundaries and time. If date number 2 is a success then you may plan to meet up regularly. Hope this helps.
Just ask it out!
I mean… you could try asking it out or something?
I’d take her to a nice French restaurant with a few Michelin stars.
Be on time, hold the door for the globe, don’t order for the globe at dinner but also pay without mentioning it. Have a post-dinner activity in mind, let the globe suggest a nightcap at the globe’s place.
Strike up a conversation with her about things you can assume she likes ex: Round things and things that spin.
Maintain eye contact and smile. (Try thinking of a funny scene in a movie)
Listen and respond to whatever she says, when you feel that you've hit a high point exchange numbers and make a plan to see her again.
GLOBAL DOMINATION (or whatever you're into)
Strike up a conversation with her about things you can assume she likes ex: Round things and things that spin.
Maintain eye contact and smile. (Try thinking of a funny scene in a movie)
Listen and respond to whatever she says, when you feel that you've hit a high point exchange numbers and make a plan to see her again.
GLOBAL DOMINATION (or whatever you're into)
Well first send it a nice flirty text and after a few of those then set up a meeting for drinks and if that goes well you might go to dinner afterwards preferably dancing looks like a very intense well-rounded globe so you may not want to be on the spot at dinner might turn into something like a job interview. And don't make any comments about how well-rounded she is might not take it the right way colorful would be a nice compliment and descriptive might go over well. I hope you all have a ball
A little wine, candles and Barry White...you should be good to go.
Just introduce yourself and see where it goes
Well first you start by asking the Globe’s interests, perhaps take them out to a nice meal 🤔
Date her? I just met her!
buy them flowers first
Central Australia is a big hint - it only existed from 1927 to 1931
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Australia_(territory)
(Noting that when French globe makers learned about it, and it's demise, may shift that window a little)
Definitely pre 1947 seeing pre-partitioned India
Pre 1935 even - since Burma is shown as part of British Raj
Pre 1923 - Ireland isn’t yet partitioned.
Good pick-up. It’s an otherwise terrible map of Australia. Orange is shown somewhere near Hay and there’s a direct railway line connecting Bourke to Melbourne!
According to the atlas in my 1935 encyclopaedia, there was indeed a rail connection from Bourke to Melbourne that was west of the dividing range. ("direct" is arguably - it visited many small towns on the way - and was amongst many other rail lines that existed back then, before they mostly got scrapped in the last 80 years)