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Countries with an economy over 1 trillion dollars, ranked among the top 20 military powers, and with an HDI above 0.800.
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Poland has 0,95 trillion USD economy, HDI of 0.89 and 21st military power. That’s a close call
Yes, it is the closest country with China.
Poland can almost into space
I don't remember Cape Canaveral being controlled by Poland.
Having Poland amongst the biggest powers is probably unexpected if you look at recent history but so much deserved imo
MPLGA.
Mexico is very close, with a nominal GDP of approximately $1.79 trillion in 2023 (Worldometer and Trading Economics) and an HDI of 0.777.
But do they have military?
Mexico is ranked 32nd. They need to increase their military spending too.
Mexico doesn't has to increase its military spending drastically.
The only foreign threat to Mexico is the US, and even if Mexico spent more , it would be pointless.
Mexico has to spend more on internal security and police.
In case our crazy presidents ever feel like conquering Cuba or Guatemala.
Why bother? They face no foreign military threat?
I meant for it to be on the list. Otherwise, yes, there is no armed threat other than the cartel problem.
Just spoke to the President of Mexico, she says they’re doing all they can to get on the map next year!
Watch this space
They have a pretty serious domestic military threat
They face one of the most brutal internal threats in the form of cartels. Just imagine an unauthorised gang throwing tantrums and holding a fkn city hostage just because their leader was arrested.
They already lost that war honestly tho. No politician that attempts to increase military spending to a point to threaten the cartels power in Mexico would last more than week before getting killed
They don’t really need to unless to stop narcos
It's basically glorified law enforcement.
No, mexican army is weak, controlled by quartels lol
Brazil too, it has more It has more than 2 trillion GDP and 0.786 HDI
I can’t imagine the Brazilian military being all that effective. Last conflict they really fought in was what, the 19th century?
20th, brazil fought in both world wars
Quick search says that they sent 25K active duty soldiers on the ground under American command in the Italian invasion along with some aircraft. For WW1, no soldiers were sent, just medics and sea patrols
Their military is well below top 20, so they only qualify on one of the three metrics. .777 isn’t really all that close to .800 either.
Canada's GDP is large, and so is the HDI. But why does it have such a weak army compared to other NATO countries? Because they potentially have no one to fight with?
When your neighbors are the US and Denmark with both being NATO ally, there's understandably not much need for military spending.
By my count Canada is 10th amount Nato nations (28th overall, just below Sweden). So not too far off from the others.
But yes, the armed forces have been neglected here fir a while cause the only real land border(sorry, I'm not counting Hans Island. Denmark) is with the US, who we have traditionally allied with.
With the commits from the government to basically triple the military budget in 5 years, should see this change.
Our country is geographically difficult to invade and even more difficult to occupy. Our only land border is shared with the United States. Basically we have always understood that the US will defend us to prevent a hostile nation from taking over and sharing a border with them, as well as if the US attacks we will never have the military might to defend against it.
So essentially we haven’t bothered with spending excessively on the military because realistically it’s unlikely that anyone would invade us, if they did then the US would intervene, if it was the US invading us then we’d have not much hope at a military defence anyways.
That’s why we’ve lagged behind in NATO spending because we really didn’t need to worry about defending ourselves. Considering the recent geopolitical shifts, we are actually getting ready to double our military spending and we will build a top 20 military within a decade.
Fully agreed.
And another thing... compared to the USA, Canada looks small (in terms of population and economy) but if you compare it to European states, it is pretty substantial and growing (due to immigration) and is capable of generating considerable military power. Further, Canada has a strong military history and a decent foundation to build on.
Canada would basically on par with gdp with Italy (who have one of the worlds best and largest navies) if it was in Europe. I think also it’s likely to surpass Italy in gdp at some stage given that italy faces demographic decline.
Fun fact: in 2022, Canada’s GDP actually surpassed Italy’s, being the 8th largest in the world at the time.
Italy caught back up in the subsequent years but its quite achievable.
That was around the time the housing bubble peaked and started to cool down here in Canada. Our GDP is inflated by our housing market which had become somewhat unsustainable and that is probably part of why Italy was back ahead in 2023.
In the medium-long term, Canada is on track to becoming a much larger economy than it is now but there are still some major issues in our economy that need to be resolved first. Definitely a high level of uncertainty there, especially in the short term with our trade disputes with the US and the problems with our housing market but beyond that there is a lot of potential.
Housing is actually a very substantial part of our GDP. It became a massive wealth generating industry and got a lot of investment but then became a capital sink, where an extreme portion of income/savings goes into purchasing property and paying rent, any attempt to drop the housing market will essentially evaporate an enormous amount of capital. The problem is that prices have become so high not many people can really afford to pay it and if they can then it eats up a large portion of their wealth. The whole housing bubble brought short term benefits and then created a massive problem, it props up the statistics so that the economy looks a bit better than it actually is.
Because you can't invade Canada without bringing their global superpower neighbor into it. Costa Rica doesn't field a military at all because they know the US military would defend them if they were to ever be invaded
The only country that could realistically threaten Canada is the US, in which case they are already cooked, and the US is their ally anyways. If it weren’t for NATO requirements, Canada would be probably the safest country in the world without a military.
Because Canada doesn’t have an economy. Its productivity is low and hasn’t improved in years. It’s all about real estate. They depend on US and their geography for defence. I am Canadian, so it’s not like I’m a hater. These are all serious problems
Just another map of the western wor.... hold on a minute
The last HDI report was for the year 2023 and China was 0.797 so China would undoubtedly be on the list if this were up to date in 2025
Australia have that good of a army?
Of course. Think of it this way. Very far away from allies like the US and UK. China is super close by, as is Indonesia. They also faced a threat by Japan in WW2. The isolation of Australia from natural allies means they feel the need to invest into their military and partner with AUKUS
Guyana got HANDS
Sanctions work they were saying…
The fact that there are white circles for Andorra and Monaco but not Vatican and San Marino implies that the latter two are on this list
I for one accept our sammarinese overlords
Why isn't Falklands listed as part of the UK
Damn I knew I forgot something, sorry.
I was hoping this was secretly Argentine propaganda because that would be funny
Haha, lol no. This is a Comoros propaganda. I forgot Mayotte too.
territory of the crown not part of the uk
Always felt this distinction as odd. Basically an autonomous territory of the UK like the Channel Islands
Yep, they are crown subjects not British citizens
But I’m sure they could easily move to the British mainland and vote
They need to apply for citizenship,they just have it easier
claimed by Argentina (and rightfully so, but that's another debate)
It would be interesting to see this concept as a Venn Diagram
Ironically that's also the same list of countries where the economists and political analyst would have you believe are screwed. Even Australia's no longer the 'lucky economy' with their flat GDP growth and a housing crisis
Would love to see this with the countries that are one category short, too
So...a totally arbitrary map.
Was really confused at the Batics there for a second 😅
For anyone wondering, as I was, HDI = Human Development Index.
Note that China's HDI in 2023 was .797.
We don't have China's HDI data for 2024 but it might push them above .8.
Are there even 20 countries on there
No, only 11 out of 195 countries meet all three criteria at the same time.
What does having a 0.800 hdi entail? Everyone has access to clean drinking water or something?
Having an HDI above 0.800 places a country in the "very high human development" category. So this means that key criterias of human development (life expectancy, education level, and per capita income) are in very good condition in that country. In short, it means it is one of the best countries to live in.
But this data does not include the democracy index, income inequality, or how secure the country is against internal and external threats.
Thanks!
GDP per capita is one of the criteria, the other I don’t know.
Wikipedia Global firepower Wikipedia
So no no its not
Canada ??🍁
Shit military.
If you're gonna use something like top 20 for military you may as well just make it top 20 in economy and HDI as well (maybe exclude microstates).
North Korea is top 20 military. Maybe even top 10.
This Guyana fucks
Did not expect Australia, Turkey, Republic of Korea and Spain
Redo with IHDI please
So why is Canada not highlighted?
Canada meets both criteria too, but ranks 28th in military power.
Ah, didn't know the military rankings
Yeah there is no way the HDI of China is less than .8
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the Netherlands has a trillion dollar economy and high hdi but lacks military power
None of the nordic countries have a trillion dollar economy or a powerful military. They only have good HDI
Would you be willing to share the file you used? I'm curious as to which countries were the closest to making it in, or what it would look like if you looked at the same list in the opposite direction.
Nominal GDP Ranking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal))
Global Firepower Ranking: https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php
HDI Ranking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
ha yeah I know I was being utterly lazy with this request. I was staring at similar stuff all day at work today and did not want to do it again. Thanks dude.
No problem!
Not sure if Turkey will still be here if Erdogan hyperinflates their currency away
When is this data from? The Netherlands has a sufficient HDI and has had a 1 trillion dollar economy since 2023.
Netherlands meets two of the criteria, but it does not meet the military power one.
Oh I see. Military power
HDI made China and India out of this.
I think China is over 0.8 now. According to UN they were at 0.797 in 2023.
India though, 0.685 as of 2023 so still far behind.
Brazil too
Depends on the source for the 20th military (if they are basing it in military spending)
They’re not basing it on military spending, it says on the image that it’s based on Global Firepower. So we make it for top 20 on any source I believe.
I'm surprised China still doesn't have an HDI above 0.8.
What's holding them back on reaching the milestone? Their society seems extremely intelligent (to the point of being naturally gifted), with good work ethic and hard working.
An absolutely colossal urban-rural divide
The most recent HDI data is for 2023 and China was at 0.797 so they’re almost certainly past 0.800 now.
But the UN publishes data two years behind so they probably won’t publish the 2025 HDIs until mid 2027.
A large chunk of their population is still rural, but the largest tier 1 cities are approaching if not already reached western levels of development
Some tier 1 cities probably surpassed some Western levels of development. If by Western, you also meant Eastern Europe & South America.
There are still >300.000.000 people living in poverty in China. Probably more fore India.
The most reason that China's HDI still under 0.8 is not poverty, it's about average years of education, only 8 years.
Most people born between 1955 to 1970 in China are lack of education because of the 10 Years Cultural Revolution (1966-1976), the education system was completely shut down in that period.
Yeah I'm not even surprised about India. India should ideally have a negative HDI if the definition would allow that. But China not being above 0.8 really threw me off; I always saw them as a developed society.
The US is the third most populous country in the world, if you increased their population by a billion, they're still the third most populous country in the world. China and India are just huge.
How old are you? I don’t say this to be dismissive, but as recently as the 1990s, China was a dirt poor, largely agrarian society with almost everyone living in poverty.
What they’ve done in the last 30 years is the greatest lifting of people out of poverty in human history. It’s remarkable. They are now on the verge of being a fully developed country (>0.8 HDI) - actually they are probably already there given the lag in the data. And they will easily overtake the US if they can avoid political upheaval over the next decade or two.
Yep in the 70's, China was among the bottom 10 poorest countries in the world out of about 200iah countries, poorer than most African countries. At some point they were the bottom 3. It is still considered a developing country due to the big agrarian population.
Why? HDI doesn't need every person to be out of poverty and shouldn't this be adjusted for the % of people below the poverty line? Not the absolute number?
Plus growing HDI is an indication of progress.
Even the Indians who aren't below the poverty line are brain dead and have no knowledge of how to live like human beings.
I could start citing examples but my life wouldn't be enough to list down all such examples.
Look who do we have here children a ...... self loathing indian that believes people in poverty are brain dead
I said "even the Indians who aren't below the poverty line".
- The idiots who spit tobacco everywhere as if the entire city is their private property,
- who litter wherever they want because who's gonna stop them?, - who park on Atal Setu for selfies and photos when the rules clearly state it's prohibited,
- people who think traffic signals and lane markings are just suggestions or worse yet are meant for cowards,
- people who harass women in public because they think there's nothing wrong in it,
- train staff member who throws leftover food out of the train because why not?,
- apartment complexes not allowing house helps to use elevators,
- rich, "educated" tourists who think European town squares are their Garba podiums etc.
None of these examples are of people below the poverty line.
Even if India eradicates poverty completely and uplifts everyone above the poverty threshold I believe India shouldn't rise up on HDI scale until we have the above examples. Because if these behaviours aren't taken into consideration when assigning the score, I don't know what the F that score even means.
I know all of the issues and this is common in developing nations with income uneven distribution and i don't think HDI consider this as a metric so all other countries having higher HDI can also have these issues or similar just search on the internet and you will find the these issues or similar in nearly all developing countries
Yeah civics sense is bad but it will only improve with time as people become more knowledgeable and aware
But all these issues are not an excuse for demanding negative HDI lol
And none of these developing countries have a good HDI.
If HDI doesn't account for this then I feel it should. The Human "Development" Index should absolutely measure if the people of a country have a sufficiently developed brain or any brain at all.
You sound like a 16 year old who has no idea about the world outside his country
Maybe. Having lived outside India for 10 years now, maybe I have no idea of the world outside India.
thats quite a narrow minded approach you have , this just makes u more similar to indians and nothing else
There are 5 chinas in 5 different stages of development. It's kind of a microcosm of the entire world in that sense.
Same can be said about almost every country in the world.
They are faking the statistics so they can pay lower taxes and pollution fees, and contribute less to international organizations such as the WHO and the UN by claiming they are a “developing country.” That way, they can sell us cars and electronics at prices far below what we in the West can manufacture them for.
Because China is good at hiding its bad sides, and I’m saying this as a Chinese. It spends tons of money to push videos of its skyscrapers and drone shows, while poor people’s daily life is not allowed to be shared.
Over 600 hundred million people, roughly half of the whole population, earn less than 1,000 RMB (roughly 150USD) per month. And this not from any so called western media that’s trying to smear China, but said by Li Keqiang himself a few years ago.
In China’s richest city Shanghai, where the housing price is even higher than America, the legal minimum wage is 2690 RMB per month, fewer than 400 USD. And many people do earn this salary, for example janitors. And if factory workers don’t “choose” to work overtime, they also earn about this amount. And the average salary in Shanghai is less than 1,000 USD per month. The source is also not any so-called western propaganda, but the local government.
ChatGPt : As of 2024, the average salary in Shanghai is approximately: ¥12,000 – ¥14,000 RMB (≈ $1,650 – $1,950 USD). And, The link data you showed is disposable income, not salary.
Higher than in California (San-Francisco bay area), New-York? You should be comparing the richest city in China with richest cities in USA.
HDI is not a complex and good measure of societal development, it is simplistic and approximate. It considers only GDP per capita, life expectancy and expected years in education. That's all. China is mostly lacking in the latter, because of the older generation, and it can't be changed quickly because older people don't normally go back to school.
They were 0.797 and climbing in 2023, so they are probably over 0.800 now.
Indonesia too
:O what a discovery