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Map Depicting Historic Islamic Slave Trading Routes
A piece of history which is oftentimes forgotten in the modern era.
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It's missing the balkans during Ottoman rule.
There were a lot of slaves from Europe and Asia. Don't know this show only Africa
and those Turkic slaves who eventually ruled empires but still a slave
You mean slave trading in Africa. The Ottoman Empire sold slaves from its realm at least til the 19. century.
Islamic slave trade didn't just start by ottomans
That's true, and those same routes were used by the Romans, Nubians, Persians, Greeks, Indians, etc. The slave trade from Africa has been going on for millennia.
Not to mention some of these empires on the map aren't even Muslim but would've been selling the slaves
On a related note, I find it a bit tragically ironic that the first black president of the United States enacted a policy that resulted in the reintroduction of the open-air slave trade of black Africans within Libya.
To this day, Libya has not really been 100% stabilized.
When our government helped to overthrow Ghaddafi, they were literally backing Al-Qaeda affiliates, who then went on to attack our embassy there.
From Africa*
The Islamic world held slave trade from other continent as well.
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Had to double check lol well I appreciate the forwardness
Mossad, if you’re listening I’m available for a job 😂
בהצלחה חיים שלי, וכן אני מניחה שאתה ישראלי חחחחח אחרת זה עלוב
I’m not Israeli, am an American Jew. Need to learn how to speak Hebrew though, might have to do an Ulpan at some point when I go back to the holy land.
Ah no shame, you do you
Unless you're atypical of most American Jews, you won't be "going back" anywhere in any meaningful sense. You'll be a settler in a foreign country.
Call it whatever you want. Won’t stop Jews from going to Israel.
American Jews are settlers in a foreign country. Why do you think it’s better for them to live on Native American lands?
Because at the moment, Native americans arent dying in the thousands
I don't. I simply refuse the ludicrous implication that a white European American Jew who probably has not a single known ancestor who ever set foot in West Asia prior to 1948 is "returning" to West Asian Territory when they emigrate to Israel.
How are Jews “White European American”? Are you saying Jews are European and American? Are Jews indigenous to America and Europe? What do you consider white?
What do I consider white? Race and ethnicity are social constructs, not biological realities. Consequently definitions are somewhat fluid and can change with societal attitudes.
However in the modern world the idea that the likes of Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Paul Newman, Alicia Silverstone, Rachel Riley, Mark Regev, Issac Herzog, or the pale white Jewish redheads that exist are not white is too ludicrous for words. They might not be white Christians and they are at risk of discrimination from other white people, but just like white Bosnian Muslims they are as white as white can be.
White European American Jews are American Jews of European origin.
Nobody is indigenous to anywhere based solely on descent from people who lived in a faraway part of the world millennia ago. We now know that the human race is so unbelievably interrelated that as recently as 3,000 BC we all have exactly the same set of ancestors - that is the lower-bound estimate for the human Identical Ancestors Point.
The kind of human lineage purity that would support the ludicrous Zionist claims that all the planet's Jews are "indigenous" to Israel due to a unique genealogical link to the ancient Jews does not exist. We are all mongrels - we all have ancestors among the Jews of the ancient Israelite kingdoms, along with the people of every other part of the world of 3,000 BC. Every Hamas fighter has Jews in their ancestry and every rabid Zionist has members of the nomadic tribes of the ancient Arabian Peninsula in theirs.
OP is literally an American Jew. Are you really that dense or are you just being obtuse on purpose?
tbf, less desert/sand is prefereble
Lol your comment made me laugh.
I live in Jerusalem so not much sand here, lots of pine trees. But I see your point.
tell me you never left suburbia without telling me
So like Americans?
Not wrong though
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Pretty terrible map. This is just the African slave trade, and even then its still terrible
don't think so, cuz a lot of the African slave trade would been places like the Ghana and Kongo coasts.
Those places in Ghana still involve Muslims, so shouldn't they be added? Both slave trades overlapped with one another
The Islamic slave trade was legally abolished in the 1960s, but it informally continues to this day.
Mauritania only officially criminalized slavery in 2007, the last holdout.
and yet its still practiced there
Of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
The US constitution still says slavery is an acceptable punishment for a crime, and I don't think all states have banned it. We also had massive amounts of neoslavery, with people being held in actual slavery in the south until the 60s as well:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/blacks-were-enslaved-well-into-the-1960s/
The UN Charter and European Convention on Human Rights also allow penal labour as long as it's sentenced as a punishment for crime by an impartial judiciary, and it's really common worldwide. Penal labour has also been extensively employed by socialist systems as well.
Comparing it to historical slavery, whether inherited or through capture, is inaccurate, as penal labour is a consequence of their own actions, rather than fully involuntary. The US just implements it in a way (pretty much giving the inmates as involuntary labour for private enterprises) which is somewhat against the spirit of punitive labour as a criminal sentence.
And to this day in prisons forced to work for Wendy’s and a literal plantation prison
Well my country tunisia abolished slavery before america did in the 1800s stop generalizing countries
Not now about Tunisia, but in Argelia wasn't abolished until Europeans got tired of the Barbarian pirates kidnapping kids and women for sexual slavery (Arab culture) and bombed the shit out of Algiers (Deservely)
While we're doing this, do the slave routes through Eastern Europe. Not a co-incidence that slave and Slav sound the same.
wtf is an Islamic slave trade? is the american slave trade known as the christian slave trade? just name the country/empire that was doing it.
The Islamic slave trade, also known as the Arab or Eastern slave trade, refers to the practice of capturing and trafficking enslaved people under the auspices of Arab and Muslim societies throughout history. This complex historical phenomenon, spanning over 1,300 years and involving millions of individuals, primarily targeted sub-Saharan Africans, but also included Europeans and Asians.
Transatlantic Slave Trade ❄️
This map is posted literally ever week in this sub except somehow op managed to make a worse one.
They post it every week yet each time say "it never gets talked about enough"
Somehow it feels like this is a way for the majority European reddit to feel less bad about their slave trade history and colonization... it's like "Look, it's not just us". Without giving any context into what made European slave trade way worse than the others.
I think it's more of a "Muslims are genetically coded to be bad guys, look at their history"
Yet somehow "people don't want you talking about this!"
Got to continue to reinforce those prejudices.
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The main medieval slave route passing through Verdun was part of a broader network transporting Slavic (Saqaliba) slaves from Central/Eastern Europe to the Muslim world—particularly Al-Andalus and North Africa.
Route Overview
Origin: Pagan Slavs captured in regions like Bohemia, Poland, and Bavaria.
Overland path: From Prague/Magdeburg → Mainz → Verdun.
Some slaves were castrated there to serve as eunuchs in the Muslim courts
Caravans then continued via the Saône and Rhône rivers through Lyon, Arles, Marseille, and onward to Al-Andalus or North Africa
Who facilitated the trade?
Jewish Radhanites, renowned merchants with cross-border reach, played a major role in transporting Slavic slaves in the 9th–10th centuries.
They could cross religious boundaries, trading pagan slaves to either Christian or Muslim markets
Considering this guy's post history has stuff about how "Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization", he's not posting it for good faith historical analysis, he's posting it to say "Muslims are bad".
Who’s going to tell him that Jews also owned slaves—not only in Muslim societies, but also in Europe, America, and early colonial places like Brazil, Suriname, Curaçao, and parts of the Caribbean?
Slavery, sadly, was a stain on all of humanity, not just a Muslim thing. But the rest of us don’t spend our time scouring the internet to dehumanize entire peoples just to justify our own ignorance.
Yeah look through history enough and you'll find that religion is just set dressing for the most part despite how much it gets placed to the forefront of every argument
You left out the "Zionism is the world's most successful indigenous rights movement" post
I mean, it kind of is. Just a strange way to phrase it.
It's the most successful larping movement if anything.
It’s definitely one of them
It 100% is. Between the Jews being expelled from Judea after the failed Bar Kokhba Revolt to Israel’s independence is almost 1800 years. That’s insane.
After 1800 years, any notion of indigineity is virtually meaningless. If I went back to where my ancestors lived in Scotland and tried to claim a house, I would be laughed out of the country.
The Jews aren’t the Indigenous people of the region the Palestinians are take a dna test and you’ll see.
The Mediterranean Mizrahi are generally as close to the Neolithic Levantinian population as the Palestinians. The Ashkenazi appear to be an "Europeanised" extension of the Mizrahi, still more "Levantinian" than Greeks, despite living in Central Europe.
The Mediterranean Mizrahi
Well, those are just Jews who continued to live in the Levant until the 20th century (and beyond), right? No shit they're similar to the Palestinians genetically, they're the same. But that's a small portion of the Israeli population.
take a dna test and you’ll see
Well that's good enough for me /s
How are you indigenous to a place that has not been inhabited by your ancestors for almost 2000 years? It really is insane.
Same guys making this argument will also say slavery in America ended over 100 years ago so it doesn't impact any modern black people.
How so? The indigenous people have been killed and expelled. The Israelis are mostly descended from 20th century European and American colonisers.
True but OP made a post with that exact title in another subreddit
Ah, that's what you were referring to. Thanks for clarifying.
Yup. To describe these slave routes as “Islamic” is bizarre. You’d never call the Atlantic slave trade a “Christian” slave trade.
Did it not happen?
It happened, but it’s clear this post was done to push an agenda. Nothing about this slave trade had anything to do with Islam, in the same way nothing about the Trans-Atlantic slave trade had anything to do with Christianity. So it would be bizarre for me to make a post describing said slave trade as “Christian”, no?
Who cares if it has an agenda? It was correct, lasted well into the 20th century, regularly chopped off men's balls, and was far more brutal than even the Atlantic Slave Trade.
It is something that should be known instead of pushed back, whitewashed, and hidden because it's a "sensitive subject" to perpetrators.
Yeah. Standard bigotry.
I’m not sure how it’s bigotry to post a factual map about slave trade routes that existed in the past.
Because it's not actually a map about Islamic slave trading. It literally says "Kanem Bornu, ended in the 8th century". I'm pretty sure it was not Muslim in the 700s AD.
Shit, it even includes "Christian Ethiopia"
It's a map of pre-modern slave trading in Africa
It’s a map depicting the main slave routes in Africa during the medieval era, as clearly stated by the legend. Islam reaches Africa in the 7th century, reaching south of the Sahara as early as the 9th century.
I’m not sure how the inclusion of Christian Ethiopia does anything to invalidate the map, can you expand on that?
Would you find it appropriate if I posted a map about the trans Atlantic slave trade and called it the “Map depicting Historic Christian Slave Trading Routes”.
How could you even say that? Are you insinuating that all Christians are slave traders? How dare you?
Haha, just kidding. Christians were a key player in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, so it would be fair in my honest opinion.
It ain’t what you do, it’s the way that you do it…
Or is that traditional wisdom that you want to ignore?
You don’t get it. Only white people can be shitty human beings. Everything else is a phobia or -ism.
(/s obviously)
Ok so it's also racist against white people to teach about the confederacy then right? Since according to your logic teaching about historic injustice is racism against the perpetrator?
Teaching history is not bigoted.
100%. Read the little footnote at the end there, "a piece of history often forgotten in the modern world".
Not only is he blatantly trying to be Islamophobic, he's also (perhaps inadvertently) succeeded in participating in the revisionist/denialist "whataboutism" conversation pertaining to Afro-American slavery. Then again, OP is a Zio: its not like we can expect much sympathy from him towards just about ANYBODY besides himself.
So it's Islamophobic to point out this historical injustice? Are you saying that Islam is perfect and nothing ever bad has happened in it's name? I am not trying to single out Islam here, I would be making the same argument about any religion. This post has nothing to do with Afro-American slavery, your comment about "whataboutism" makes it sound like slavery is only bad when white Europeans/Americans do it and that we should just ignore any other time it's happened.
That’s not at all what OP was saying, but you don’t find it bizarre to call these routes “Islamic”?. Nobody ever describes the Trans Atlantic slave trade as “Christian”. The religious aspect is completely irrelevant to the reality of the slave trade.
That is the academically agreed upon language for this trade. Sorry you didn't know that. Go argue with a professor about the indignity of the name for a trade that followed rules set out by a theocracy.
You know the term "Zio" was coined by the KKK and refers to all Jews right?
So not only are you whining about someone posting a historically accurate fact about slavery that you don't like, but you are using Klans-terms while doing so. You are completely indistinguishable from a lost cause confederate sympathizer.
While the map is accurate, it’s obvious OP is pushing an agenda by labeling the slave trade as “Islamic.” You’d never hear someone call the Trans-Atlantic slave trade as “Christian”.
"historically accurate fact about slavery"
LOL. The map and the title are manipulative.
That's not at all true lol. Like not even a bit. Nathan Birnbaum coined the term Zionism in the 1800s. Truncating the word or using it as a pejorative is going to happen inherently in language multiple times it's not like the KKK has ownership on "Zio" and the only way prolly can get it is by using it explicitly the way they were
You'd have to believe people using "tard" are doing it in the medical sense if that's the case.
If they follow an ideology, which permits slavery, amongst other gruesome teachings, then they can not be considered good.
Sahih Muslim 1456 Permits slaves.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5133 Mohammed marries the 6-year-old Aisha and consummates the marriage at 9.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5825 permits beating up your wife until her is body is green.
Sunan Ibn Majah 2535 Permits the murder of apostates and critics of Islam.
Sunan Abu Dawud 4462 Permits murder of gays.
Surah 9:29 Calls for murder and enslavement of anyone who is not a Muslim, unless they pay a "tax" to stay alive and free.
Sahih Muslim 2922 Is about a complete genocide of Jews.
Rebecca , the Jewish Matriarch, married Issac at THREE YEARS OLD. Child marriages still continue to this day in AMERICA because of pressure from the orthodox Jewish community to keep marriage to 12 yr olds legal.
Summary of Tractate Yevamot TRACTATE YEVAMOT
Shmuel said: And Abba (i.e., Rav, whose first name was Abba) concedes to me, with regard to a girl less than three years and one day old, since there is no (legal significance) to intercourse with her, there is no (legal significance) to entering the wedding canopy with her.
Rava said: We, too, learn: A girl three years and one day old can be betrothed via sexual intercourse; and if her yavam had intercourse with her, he has acquired her; and (a man who has intercourse with her while she is married to someone else) is liable on her account because of the prohibition of intercourse with a married woman.
You know literally all of those have equivalents in the Bible right?
Well except for the genocide of the Jews I guess, just replace them with the Amaleks and yeah Jews and Christians can beat slaves and wives, marry children, stone gays, and tax people who aren't Christians or Jews.
I'd agree if people follow an ideology that permits such heinous things they shouldn't be considered good you'd agree right? Or are you saying not all Christians and Jews are bad people?
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"Consequences of mass migration"
Let me guess, you also believe that "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"?
so mass migration is bad when white people do it. but its okay when non white people do it?
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You are a Zionist which is absolutely a flavor of white nationalist
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What’s your definition of a Zionist?
There's a difference between criticism and your blatantly obvious genocidal hatred of Muslisms
Genocidal hatred towards Muslims 😂😂 criticizing radical Islam and its political ideology has nothing to do with hating individual Muslims. Learn to separate the ideology from the individual. I mean your profile has the trans flag, radical Islamists wouldn’t have a much of an issue tossing someone like that from a rooftop.
Your beloved Israel literally bombed trans Iranians
Reddit moment LMAO
Your brain on Hasan piker
Israel is the only country in the middle east where trans people can safely walk the streets while openly expressing their gender.
It’s funny that Israel is one of the major funders of radical Islam. They have installed Al Qaeda as govt in Syria only recently after funding Al Nasura, ISIS, and the Free Syrian army to topple Assad and steal the Golan. This is according to multiple news sources including Eikhenshot ex head of the IDF on Israeli TV. They even funded Pakistani Jundullah terrorists in London to perform false flags on their behalf according to the CIA.
Projection, that’s actually a Jewish custom from the Talmud. You think Orthodox Jews are gay friendly? They barely tolerate women. Women are spat at in the street for dressing immodestly and are forced to sit on the back of the bus and segregated in Israel.
You are such a liar. Rain Dove operating their aid stations in Gaza freely for over a year being openly trans and gay with a trans and gay community in Palestine.
I guess it's time for my weekly "bUt aRabS diD iT tOo" ragebait.
Your entire profile is waffle about how Islam is bad and Israel is the greatest invention in human history.
Please get a life, mate.
They speak Arabic, Persian, Roman, Frankish, Spanish, and Slavonic... They bring slaves, furs, and swords.
- Ibn Khordadbeh, Described Jewish Radhanite merchants carrying slaves from Europe to the Islamic world.
So the Atlantic slave trade should be called as christian slave trade now, right? Right?
Lotta jews participated in that one, almost like religion has nothing to do with it, and opportunist and busines over morals is something innate in human nature, not just a specific subset of humans
Oh man, if you even say jews did something bad: they'll call you antisebetic lol
Yeah of course, but the same happens when i speak pf these things about black people as well, all I try to do is explain the history man
Why is Baghdad missing? Are there political reasons for this?
Edit: Ok, i see the username
Why the Downvote? You can see Baghdad on every Greater Israel map for a reason.
In before this is deleted and OP is banned.
Honestly, in this particular instance it would be 100% valid. This is a badly designed map with missing parts and context, and it was also a low effort agenda post.
😂😂😂
Oh boy another suspiciously timed map pointing out how muslims are awful, posted by none other than u/Mossad_psyop :)
"me hate islam me cool"
It's a natural reaction to a religion that tells is followers on how to treat the "kafir"
Have you read the Talmud? And what they say about non Jews?
"I know that this religion has stuff promoting violence against other religions, bur counterpoint have you seen that this religion also said this!?!"
How is this even a rebuttal, both said bad things, you can't deflect Criticism by just ignoring what one side did just because the other side does so as well. That's just arguing in bad faith
No it’s not arguing in bad faith, it’s saying that Judaism is just as bad if not worse than Islam if you start to look at what their scriptures say about how to treat Christian’s , non Jews and women and children. The Talmud says that having sex with 4 yr olds is permitted, and that all Christian’s should be killed for idolatry. And you want us to support that?
No i fully agree with you, you could've just phrased it a bit better, both are as bad as each other
Right but you can be critical of both at the same time and should be if you're being consistent. But OP isn't saying "all religions are bad"
Honestly just put on a Jewish or Christian slave trade map and you'd be getting most people on here doing a 180
The Talmud and the Israeli govt are OPENLY saying that all non Jews are “human animals” and that makes it ok to mass murder them without any moral qualms. People in America are told they won’t get any aid from natural disasters if they don’t pledge allegiance to Isreal while Israelis get free healthcare and education with their taxes. It’s insane.
Tf you mean "oftentimes forgotten"
You could have just shared this map without admitting to it being a whataboutism
Aaaah an agenda! Username checks out of course. Oow well.
why is this one called the "islamic slave trade" while the transatlantic slave trade isnt called the "christian slave trade"
Because ALL Muslim kingdoms participated in it. Another name for it would be the Arab Slave Trade. But don't let the name fool you, the Berbers, Iranians, Turks and Iranians were just as involved.
Indonesia is the largest Islamic country by population.
Let's call it the Christian slave trade then since I can overgenaralize as well and say all Christian kingdoms participated in it
Who's stopping you?🤷🏾
They enslaved Africans and Europeans specifically because they were non-Muslim. It is illegal to enslave other Muslims in Islam, but not nonbelievers. Meanwhile Europeans eagerly enslaved African Christians as much as pagan ones. They sometimes even tried to avoid Muslim Africans because there was a concern they would prostelatize to the Pagan slaves and spread Islam in the New World.
'it is illegal to have a Muslim slave" , stop making up shit. There were a lot of Muslim slaves , sure other Muslims might have been more racist towards non Muslims but the scriptures and jurisprudence don't. say anything about a Muslim not being able to be taken as a slave
They be making up anything as per their convenience
This is not true. As you can see on the map slaves were taken from the Islamic Mali Empire.
Because "Islamic" doesn't stand for the religion here, it stands for the Islamic civilization, in contrast to western civilization
That is silly. Might as well say it should be called Christian salve trade because it doesn't stand for the religion, it stands for Christian civilization (cf. Christendom) as opposed to Eastern Civilization.
yeah but thats not as widely used
You have never heard the term Christendom?
Christendom slave trade? Never heard it.
All this dude posts is anti Islam bullshit. Username checks out indeed.
Qatar still uses slavery
I’m pretty sure this map is missing a big portion of the said routes. And it’s important to put some historical timeframe. What’s referred to as “Islamic” can span as long of a time period as 1200 years. The routes and areas slaves came from and the areas they were transported to definitely weren’t static. So which time period is this map is supposedly covering exactly? This map is incomplete and unclear at best.
Why is Balkan penninsula out of the picture?
ok joo 271k
You'd probably want a map that extends further north for this right? After all the Turkic slaves from Central Asia were pretty important to Islamic history
Il ne s’agissait pas d’une traite en rapport avec la religion 😅
Source?
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Wow, I didn’t realize how small it was in comparison with the western slave trade
Islam has enslaved more people in its history and still does it to this day but all we talk about is western imperialism what a joke
Well, Western Imperialism is more of a present issue that is currently causing atrocities.
Note that of all the historic types, only 3 have been listed as ended. Just shows you what islam thinks of your human rights.
""""Islamic"""" slave trade. Good one body.
Based on what? Why is it allowed for people to post random maps with no sources?
LOL this sub posts maps without sources the entire time. People even make their own maps and post.
The lines on this one even look like someone drew them in MS paint
I wonder how Socotra managed to keep its magnificence despite all this human interaction.
Great question. I guess maybe because it was relatively isolated and resource poor, thus little incentive to set up a large colonization/exploitation project on the island despite its strategic importance. Just a guess though, I’m not too sure.
What are your sources for this map, OP?
He said that he grabbed it off of Wikipedia, but his only goal is to troll and argue with people in the comments as you can see from his account gimmick.
The Twitterfication of the entire internet continues.