You'll let me know if I'm on fire.
yeah, sure.
I heard an interview with James on how much he hated the tour with GunsN Roses. He said that they were looking down at their fans. āYou donāt look down on people who look up to youā.
That was Jason
Could be. Now that I think about it, it fits better with Jasonās humble character. So you are most likely right.
I know James did say something like "they way they did things showed us what not to do"
Then Jason said they went to GnR/Axl's dressing room to ask what was wrong and he was drinking some wine and smoking a cigarette just chilling and said his throat hurts. Don't remember the quote you said, but I can see either one of them saying and thinking that
That was Jason in Behind the Music about the pyro incident
I remember Kirk talking about that specific incident with Axl on a VH1 special years and years ago and getting hopping mad about it.
Axl was having serious throat issues at the time, which eventually required surgery to remove polyps.Ā It had nothing to do with his consumption of tobacco or alcohol.Ā GNR completed their contractually obligated time that night.Ā The sound was bad and Axl's throat was fucked and he just couldn't give any more.Ā Anyway, according to GNR's then manager Doug Goldstein, Lars was to blame for screwing with the pyro cues in order to make himself more visible.
Hey, Axl!
Here's the interview with Goldstein. Read it for yourself:
2015.04.05 - One On One With Mitch Lafon - Interview with Doug Goldstein
Q: "So we go back a couple of weeks, Axl had taken three or four shows off because of his voice, show up in Montreal, Faith No More does their set, Metallica comes on, fire happens, James gets burned. Now, you suggested in a previous conversation to me that that was somewhat of Metallica's own mistake because they had changed the configuration of the set."
Goldstein: "Yeah, what ended up happening, and, you know, Lars is a great guy, whatever, but the reality is Jake Berry, who was Metallica's production manager, and Lars unbeknownst to the rest of us, they took the set that we were collectively using, which had metal grading so you could see through the stage...So Lars is... I'm told, the reason why he does it is because the first 50 rows, their sight lines are impaired, they can't see Lars. And so instead of the monitors, the wedges that the band uses to hear themselves, instead of them being on top of the deck, he puts some sub deck underneath and in doing so some of the pyro cues for Metallica had to be changed. So I've never heard, now was it explained to James? And he forgot? Or was it just never communicated to him? But in either case, that's why James blew up. He was standing on a pyro cue that before that had not been a pyro cue...
And by the way, what Axl was doing in the off time was seeing a guy named Dr. Hans Von Leden, who was the president of the orencology [?] association internationally. He was like this 92 year old guy, worked out of UCLA, and when everybody else was saying operate on singers, this guy was figuring a way to get them to not operate. So Axl's seeing him because we had canceled some shows and we come back, we agreed to do Montreal primarily because Metallica's saying, you know, "We can't wait anymore and we're just gonna fucking do these shows without you if that's what it takes."
So, under pressure from Metallica, Axl did the show when he really shouldn't have because his throat issues were serious enough that he was consulting a specialist, he struggles through, completes his contractually-obligated time on stage and then the chuds in the audience riot because it just wasn't enough for them and because Lars Ulrich's vanity and carelessness got his bandmate lit up, and somehow Axl's the bad guy? How about blame the assholes in the audience for their temper tantrum, how about blame Lars for not letting his bandmate know that the fucking pyro had changed?! How about some personal responsibility? No, let's just blame Axl. Pathetic.
And then, through Behind the Music, Jason Newsted spreads this canard that Axl's problems were due to his drinking and smoking (as if nearly every other singer in rock doesn't smoke and drink!). How the fuck would Jason Newstead know about Axl's health issues? He's wasn't important enough to be privy to that information. I mean, his own band wiped his bass playing off an entire fucking album!
That was Jason as well lol.
Yeah, that sounds way more Jason than James.
Sure was
i mean i understand them. i also look down on guns n roses fans
James has no time for fans either ššš
Right. When was his last meet and greet?
he stopped doing them at one point because his ex-wife was uncomfortable with how touchy-feely some of the women were, and then I assume he just stuck with not doing M&Gs after the divorce because heās used to it
At least he''s nothing himself to do them for money like some other which makes horrible meet and greets.
King Nothing, huh....?
Well what?
Yep, Axl did get in better shape and sounded better in 2023 than 2017 but trying to hit the upper register, he just canāt do it anymore. Rearrange the songs to what he can do.
I was telling my brother that yesterday. Just do the āitās so easyā verse voice and hire some badass chick to stand behind the 2nd guitar player and sing the high parts. No shame in that. Iām guessing that soon⦠With AI voice mapping, they will be able to use imprints taken from old recordings to mix in the voice from a singerās prime, as an effect in real time- sort of like auto tune. Some ppl wonāt use it because itāll be considered cheating but some will embrace it for the sake of the show. Weāre gonna see some resurrected careers once this tech proliferates.Ā
I hate everything about that idea
James āDo I know you?ā Axl āAxl!ā James looks on with wonderment. Axl shows James his back stage pass. āAxl, Guns nā roses, remember?ā James āOk Axl but you only get one photo with the bandā
LMAOO
James: Axl, please stop singing One In A Million. You're making me uncomfortable
This is the most underrated comment in the thread. TouchƩ.
Ironic considering what Axl said about James in an interview once...
Six of one and half a dozen of the other. Apparently at the time, James was not exactly innocent with regards to that subject either.
Axl: I'll stop signing it when you let Body Count tour with you.
āOne bottle Dom PeriGnon, 3 cans assorted Pringlesā¦ā
āOne gourmet cheeeez trayā
āSoBe Honey so he can SING LIKE THIS!ā
<MASSIVE KIRK BURP>
well...?????
well damn
Remember when we toured together and I was a tool bag.
When you meet an old flame.
oh wait
Axl cant sing anymore. Just sounds like a fucking eunuch
He can still sing on fast rock tracks or where his baritone is required, but the power behind his upper register is shot and this is most noticeable on ballads or slower rock tracks. If GNR brought their songs down a couple of keys instead of playing original, and if Axl reworked some of his natural vocals into the songs that require it, he would definitely benefit.
This would require more humility than Axl would allow.
I think he needs back up singers to be honest, they can hit the high stuff and he stays low
Yeah, there are a number of things he could do to help. GNR does have a keyboardist who helps out on some high notes at least. It works okay on Pretty Tied Up for example.
For real dude I was at the show on Saturday and he was by far the worst. It wasn't even his tone he just wasn't keeping up with the band and was singing off beat.Ā
Like Herbert the pervert: https://youtube.com/shorts/dHSkAMhwN8w?si=E4Y2Y9No_Ujjdwtb
Shredded chicken so it can get down his whiney little neck!
Or something like that.
"Bottle of of Don Perrignon, so he can sing like this. Pepperoni pizza, probably for throwing around. New York steak... that surprises me. I thought he was a vegebitarian."
One gourmet cheeeeese tray
Itās a bunch uh crap! Hooey!
Cubed ham!
I saw both bands at the Power Trip Festival in 2023 and James as well as Kirk were in the pit during g n' r set singing all the words with no security around them whatsoever.
Old rockstars LOVE their flared jeansā¦
WHERE'S YOUR CROWN KING NOTHING-AHHHH
At this point, Axl looks like someoneās sloppy aunt wandered backstage
He looks way better than he did from 2016-2020.
Can Axl even speak at this point?
He can. He just insists on singing in that high octave he canāt do anymore. I donāt get it.
He sounded incredible right when the reunion happened :(
That has now been several years right?
Almost ten :( I have no idea how.
I watched the āBack to the Beginningā concert today, I donāt know why he sings in such a high pitch
GnR superfans have been calling it the "Mickey" voice for a while as he sounds like Mickey Mouse. If you listen to the beginning of Paradise City yesterday it literally sounds like Mickey Mouse...but most of his songs have been like that for a while now. He was about as good as you can expect in 2016 and after a couple-few years of touring and getting older.....it's not been great. I went to Powertrip and that wasn't a great vocal performance. Previously when he got rested he sounded great. But when not rested (and hopefully not permanently) he sounds like someone who's trying to sing in a high octave who can't....it just doesn't sound good. GnR die hards have said he lowered his octave a couple notches a couple years ago and did much better.
I will say the best vocal performance I've heard in my entire life was Axl when he was with AC/DC. Man sounded like a damn chainsaw, it really was incredible.
I just looked up some live videos of him with AC/DC after reading this comment, and wow, he sounds incredible. What a voice.
Trust me on this- find a good clip of Let There Be Rock and listen to that fucking Let There Be Rock scream. Hell, I'm going to do that now myself lol
Edit: Watch this lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5YRATbpuyc
I was at the London show and he absolutely destroyed.
I actually paused it on the London scream in that video to show someone later haha
It's a belter!
Why some say he destroyed his voice singing AC/DC but I think he still sounds good when he decides to use his lower register like on Bad Obsessions, Knocking on heavens door and parts of Estranged. I don't know if he can't do it the who show as he so often chooses to sing in falsetto, to be fair not many can sing that much in falsetto but it just doesn't sound that good as he's lost power.
maybe the AC/DC gigs hastened the damage? It sounded like he had to dig deep to reach those sustained highs of those songs.
Ya I thought about that but I think he was still sounding good a year or two past this
Yeah, he nailed the ACDC shows and sadly, I think thats what fried his voice.
Like Herbert : https://youtube.com/shorts/dHSkAMhwN8w?si=E4Y2Y9No_Ujjdwtb
That broke me ššš
Heās kinda between a rock and a hard place though. If he cut all the songs that require him to use that falsetto, they wouldnāt have much of a setlist left. I agree I personally would love to see him lean more into the deep cuts that utilise that incredible midrange of his, but the everyday Joe wants to hear jungle, sweet child and paradise so what are they to do? People say he could give up but honestly, not so easy to just hang it up when he clearly still loves doing it.
He sings in falsetto in the same octave the songs are in. It makes him sound like Mickey, but it also allows him to still have any semblance of a voice, unlike Paul Stanley who continued to screech and gargle razor blades until the very final KISS show.
He couldn't hit that high octave by 89, yet along 2025!
Somebody said he sounded like Herbert from Family Guy, I couldnāt stop laughing through the rest of their performance, itās spot on
Axel Tiny Throat Rose
Is that Maynard smiling in the back?
Nah just another bald guy with glasses.
No, Maynard is built more thin.
It looks like Jamesā guitar tech Chad I think.
Edit: I could be wrong, I canāt tell.
Thatās what I was thinking. But Iām also not sure.
Thatās what I thought too !
āRemember that time we saved that show?ā
Got any assorted cheeeeeeeeese?
Axl Rose doesn't give a fuck about his fans. You only need to see what he's done since the Illusions.
Metallica likes its fans.
axl doesnāt give a fuck about anyone. you have to admire that though. we all long to be accepted and liked and he doesnāt. weād all be in a better mental spot if we were more axl and less trying to gain the acceptance of strangers and people who donāt care
weād all be in a better mental spot if we were more axl
Phrases I never thought I'd read for 1000, AlexĀ
Itās true but he has still humbled a great deal since the reunion. You only need to look at how he interacts with fans and reporters now vs the āgood old daysā lol
yeah. the guy had some kind of āawakeningā a few years back. heās not the same guy from even a decade ago.
i remember a radio interview with duff years ago and they brought up axl. duff said axl was the only guy that truly had the āpunk attitudeā in music. he didnāt answer to no one, he did what he wanted, when he wanted, didnāt try to please anyone or kiss anyoneās else.
This and the hug with Dave mustaine at the big four show
Didnāt mean anything if Daveās still shit talking š
James - I didn't know Duff's grandma was coming along?
Hi, I'm Axl lets be friends
said in mickey mouse voice
So, are you using pyro tonightā¦..
Its metallica and guns and rumors š¤£šš¤£š
āwatch the pyroā
I was wondering if those guys met up backstage!
Who is older and wiser and aged better? I think we all know who it is.
Wox axl lost weight
Whatās the context of this pic? Is there any video?
surely it's backstage at the Sabbath event this past weekend?. as to what they're talking about.... dunno, what to have for dinner maybe.
But it looks kind of confrontational and it seems to me Axl Rose is recording James with the flash on
No lol theyāre just hanging out at Ozzyās send off. No bad blood anywhere. Everyone was there for Ozzy, united in the cause. Was beautiful really.
āHetfieldā¦ā
āBailey..ā (angry squinting)
Fuck Axl Rose, always an asshole
Is he? From what Iāve heard/seen I feel like age has made him a bit more humble.
Yea, I would say both are similar in that they had their problems in the 90s and now are both older and wiser, and more humble, which is why it makes this picture great to see.
true that.
Is James wearing sperry topsiders ?? š
I think heās wearing cowboy boots
Yeah I was gonna say hahahah but at first glance I thought šā¦ u know š
I did a double take!
Well well well
My Michelle
Wow so interesting
Actual explaining to JAMES what he does with the Sue bee honey.
Beef aside they both put that shit on ngl
You think every time they run in to each other Axl says āHey, James. Howās the arm?ā
Iād assume theyāve both mellowed out. Hell they are touring with Pantera and that got pretty heated for a while too
āHey Jaymz!ā āHey Mickey!ā
Great to see a pic like this
So, how's your hand?
See? the light on my finger. That's cool, man.
Yeah I have an IPhone too Axl
it's been so long and the subsequent years went in such opposite directions career wise, I doubt there is much bad blood.
Itās been 30 years, they are grown men get over it
James and an asshole
Axl is telling him about the time Dave was bragging about the Metallica riffs he wrote.
James talking about Axl's rider. haha
axl should have talked with dave instead of james
kinda reminds me of something...
I dont see Lars near Axl, i wonder why š
Glad to see they have mellowed with age
Just yhink about h9e much more money GNR would have made if they kept it straight and not fell apart after UYI2
I donāt think theyāre worrying about money
A lot of ego in one single photo.
And..?
Axl: āRemember the racist shit you said 30 years ago?ā
Very interesting indeed.
Axel was horrible at the show. He sounded like a deaf mute singing shitty karaoke the whole time, and winded. Just embarrassing.
Iām willing to bet this is the first time in 35 yrs Hetfieldās been this near to Axl. Shit, might be first time ever.
Edit: ok. Theyāve met. So, Iāll eat that āfirst time everā comment. Fair.
that looks like pre-AJFA, what year is this?
Appetite came out in 87 so probably right around then. Axl looks exactly like he does in the photos from the album and that tour. James had his Lemmy mustache by 88 so that narrows it down to 87.
Sorry I deleted the other reply I forgot to mention why I knew it was pre justice but also post appetite.
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damn you replied so fast, thank you!
40 yrs ago?
They shared the stage? Looks photoshopped
35 yrs ago?
Looks about 35 yrs ago, Jan.
Just saying itās definitely not the first time ever. They literally shared the same stage.
Used to party together in Hollywood too.
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Axl had a beard at that concert, doesn't look like he has in this pic.
Pretty sure Met were all watching them from side stage when they both played the Power Trip festival 2 years ago
James - āGlad you showed upā
I'm sure they bust eachothers chops every now and then. However they've certainly grown as individuals.
Lets all try to make out what they're saying....
James: Hey man glad you showed up lol remember those fucking riots...
Axl: Nah I left early.....
Pause.
They both burst out into laughter.
Technically so did James.
one hell fuckin yeah for a regular show reference!
I got my kids into watching regular show. I heard my kids screaming "MY MOM" like musclehead so many times the past 2 weeks haha.
Thats hilarious! Regular show was a great thing.
Took me a second. Talk about a true burn
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And not flames this time
Bro look up the episode of Time Warp when they put pig meat near a microphone and James watched them burn it lmao. I miss the real Discovery channel.
I think he was talking about that on the Year and a Half video.
Yea they definitely did grown as individuals especially Axl since he was pretty much a Loose Cannon with emotions and was a bit childish though out the years and he seems to be completely chilled out and matured and so has James as well
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Sick burn....
What????
Lmao