We all know there are big names in there,so they bury it.The kill Epstein to clean it.Everyone know this,and nothing we can do?
Edit:I not even American and know about how horrible the Epstein case is.How can America people just give up about this case.The case with hell lot of child rape and the case just drop.Many famous people involve and they are free.Only god knows what happen in Epstein Island.Because the people in power,they just shut it down
Edit 2:Hahahaha this is one the case when the justice can't be upheld because it against people in position.Many case like this but not many LIKE THIS BIG
"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth." - Orwell in 1984
"Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past."
Testify!
It's right outside your door
NOW TESTIFY!!
"Who controls the spice controls the world!"
Oh, wait - not that one.
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women."
"Say hello to my little friend!"
Orwell was the prophet.
Nah, he just wrote about it well. It's all been done before and authoritarians and criminals are rarely unique.
Command and conquer!
Preach! RATM are/were prophets.
They were quoting Orwell.
Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!
I don't believe that one is Orwell.
I'm very tired of George Orwell getting more attention than Orville Redenbacher, who notoriously crushed poon.
He popped that corn on the regular
Yeah, but then they had to go and get all political recently /s
"History is a set of lies agreed upon"-Napoleon
"It's not a lie, if you believe it." -Costanza
The true philosopher of our time
It was used as a guide instead of a warning, it seems!
It would seem Orwell and Huxley were too optimistic
Came here to quoth thusly.
Winston's been working overtime lately
Where is Winston when we need him the most? And we only got a bunch of fucking Nevilles.
“Billy Jean is not my lover”
I always heard "But the cheese is not my mother"
My mom has a cousin Billy Jean, I thought it was Billy Jean is not my mother. Which was true for both of us, checked out as a 4 year old!
I doubt it'll ever be accepted as the truth, but there'll be another big scandal in a week or so and everyone will move on to the next one
Sadly those files are probably destroyed at this point. My worse fear is that the list is altered and then released only to implicate political enemies.
They've been destroyed since before Epstein died. No way they risk killing him/letting him die without cleaning up leverage and dead man switches first.
Wrong. I assure the Israelis kept their copy.
Yeah if you look at the geopolitical landscape currently it’s pretty plain to see that the blackmail operation is ongoing.
and .... the Russians
Dead man Switches work best when they can be cleaned up easily by the people they would be exposing
No one said anything about easy, presumably anyone powerful and rich enough to be worth blackmailing would have a lot of influence and wealth to leverage against said blackmail.
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I sense a movie: Mossad, CIA, FSB agents all run into each other during this time on the island and hijinks ensue.
Starring Leslie Nielson as the agent for all three just in different disguises.
It would a great Peter Sellers role.
I’d bet my life savings someone stashed it away somewhere. But I doubt it’d be released in the near future.
Ghislaine is still around. She knows a lot.
The real question is who thought the list would actually come out? I mean come on
True. Anyone who thought some magic list of child rapists was going to be released to the public is kidding themselves.
Expecting that people would be charged (besides Epstein and Jizzlaine, I mean) and have to testify in court, was not an unreasonable demand or expectation.
Exactly. They said there are thousands of victims, and we are supposed to believe there are no clients and accept that they aren't going to prosecute anyone or hear any more victims. Case closed.
And honestly, it seems to me it would be naive to believe the list even if it were released. Epstein wasn't exactly a good guy except for that one little sex trafficking of children thing. The point of the list, if it exists, was to blackmail and coerce powerful people. It seems extremely gullible to think "Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking minors to prostitute to wealthy men as leverage, but he would never stoop so low as to lie about it on his private list that he kept for the totally legitimate purpose of keeping private records".
That's far from the point. The Epstein list doesn't have to be a literal client list kept by him. Investigation would have surely turned up evidence like pictures, videos, calls, texts, emails, flight records, bank transactions, etc. Plenty of things highly incriminating of many people. Yet, where are all these things?
The FBI supposedly had hours upon hours of child abuse videos that Epstein had filmed. I cant imagine he was the solo perpetrator in them.
good point - and any other creep we would be seeing headlines for arrests and trials of these men. haven't heard shit
Yep. The fact that Ghislane is locked up for trafficing these girls to... whooooo. Nobody but the dead man? Its insane that nobody else got in trouble. Insane.
It's highly unlikely there's a "list" at all. It's just flight logs and contacts and such.
did you hear the king come uncorked when a reporter asked pam about it?
“wait why are you still talking about that? we’ve got all this other stuff like texas”
you could almost hear him thinking he paid all these guys to work overtime for weeks to create this new story, and you don’t believe it?
You had me quite confused for a moment wondering why Charles would be talking about Texas.
Make America British Again
The Texas event is exactly what he needed. He’s using it as a red herring and smokescreen to not talk about the list. There’s a reason why when they first commented on it, they essentially stated “it’s tacky to ever talk about it again.”. They want us to forget.
If there wasn't an available news story, I'm sure they'd make something up. IIRC, later in the week that the Panama papers were released, North Korea was suddenly very definitely threatening to use nuclear weapons on the west. After a few days, both stories were thin air.
They waited until they had a big distracting story, then released it on that weekend so it can be buried. There's no coincidence with the timing.
Does anyone remember the powdered Anthrax panic that was going on right before the order was approved to invade Iraq? Disappeared like vapor as soon as the go ahead was given. Population manipulation is a well practiced tactic. Does anyone remember the story of Iraqi soldiers taking babies out of incubators in Kuwait? Complete Fucking Lie. The girl that testified (perjured herself) before Congress wasn’t even in Kuwait during the invasion.
"Come on you guys always just fall for whatever shit we tell you to"
I expect it to blow over because after a week or two of the NPCs being inundated with their talking points their memory buffer will overflow.
They are too fundamentally defective mentally to question anything and this will be no different.
They will just be repeated to with bullshit and forget it, and line up for the GOP like they always do.
They are north Koreans, subhuman scum
The only thing they are good for is conning every dollar from them until they die.
The reality is that those files were never going to matter.
We already know plenty of celebrities and business people and so forth who had close ties to epstein and documented regular trips to pedo island. Absolutely nothing has happened. And suddenly having even more evidence of it will similarly accomplish nothing. CLEARLY they just liked the vibes and never did anything illegal.
Similarly, even if we had a government that at all cared about justice it wouldn't accomplish much unless epstein was documenting every single thrust into a small child. And even then, it is his word against someone with a lawyer's.
Here is something that no one wants to talk about:
If we have the list public, it doesn't matter. Nothing will happen to the names on the list, because the list is barely evidence.
Even if we have photos of famous people doing illegal stuff, it's probably not enough.. because guess what, photos (even video evidence) requires corroborating testimony. There's hundreds of hours of HD clear as day "freak off" videos.. and Diddy is about to skate. 15 year old VHS footage without 1st hand testimony isn't going to matter.
There is zero evidence - zero - that supports the proposition that Epstein blackmailed people. We know it intellectually, because - here is the real real - he didn't have to blackmail people. He just had to slosh around money, give some rides on his jets, and he got introductions, access and influence. Blackmail might have been his plan, but he never had to blackmail because when your rich everyone just lets you do it.
I think you're misunderstanding the blackmail part. There's evidence to suggest that Epstein was helped into the position where he was able to obtain the money and jets in the first place. Nobody thinks the blackmail material was for use by him personally to get money or personal favours - the theory is that it was for the use of his handlers to influence powerful people if necessary and ensure the political outcomes they wanted.
Doesn't really matter if you or I think this is true or not, I'm just explaining what people mean when they talk about Epstein collecting blackmail material.
Some sanity. This conspiracy theory of a neat list that is being suppressed is so stupid. We and they know who was on the island, who was friends with Epstein etc. but there’s simply not enough evidence for anything criminal.
How can you say “there’s simply not enough evidence” when we aren’t privy to what evidence exists?
yup! The rich guilty never pay in america. the fact that diddy is getting off on most charges is pathetic enough.
At this point no one even care about the truth.
If paper would bé revelated, people would bé like "Hey, élites are trash? We all know that..."
to be fair, it seems like comeys daughter set it up that way. The case was flimsy as fuck.
The jury was like, "Pimping? Of course. 'Racketeering'? GTFOOH".
Panama Papers say what?
Panama papers are published. But those that actually read them know they mostly disclosed unethical/immoral behavior, but not illegal bahavior.
Atleast legally speaking.
And the woman who reported them was still killed in a car bombing.
Yes - some think that was related to Daphne Caruana Galizia's next work which involved investigating organised crime and government corruption in Malta - it's thought she was killed in large part because the Maltese Prime Minister Joseph Muscat reduced her police protection (he disliked her for much of her work investigated him specifically)
3 years before the Panama Papers she was arrested for mocking him on social media in 2013, and she'd had multiple violent incidents at their home (I recall multiple dogs being killed to intimidate them, and the building set on fire while the family slept)
We're still not certain if she was assassinated over the Panama Papers directly or because of her other anti-corruption reporting work in Malta. There is an ongoing trial of multiple people related to the company 17 Black - which seems to be linked to the Panama Papers and corruption within the government of Malta at the time - and they're the main suspects for her assassination.
They name at least 140 politicians involved in tax evasion schemes (the illegal kind).
Video tapes from Abu Ghraib prison say what??
Those were also deleted fairly recently by the CIA, 2005.
I thought those were just photos
Mission accomplished then
remember the Panama Papers? You think Diddy's charges being reduced to virtually nothing was a coincidence?
Everything about this tells me that the list of clients is far worse than anyone imagined, and the names on it are powerful leaders with the means to make it disappear. If the list is ever published (which I don't think it will be) it'll be when everyone on it is already dead.
They are buried.
Why would they be burried? I'm sure they are probably ashes.
Give who is in charge, I would not be surprised if they are currently being stored in his bathroom.
Even with the files gone, aren’t the victims still out there? I mean, how many hoops do you have to jump through for excuses as to why so few have spoken up? Maybe it’s possible that only a select few were as fucked up in that aspect as Epstein?
My thought is that the victims were drugged, blind folded, or both in order to make sure they couldn't identify anyone. And even if they can identify any one person who was there, eye witness testimony isn't worth anything anymore. You have to have something concrete to back it up.
Yup. Probably a solid amount of threats involved, given how many powerful people we actually already know were on the flight logs.
Lot harder to step up when you’re a 28 year old woman now and you know any number of world leaders/ex-leaders would make you have an “accident” if you spoke up
You can literally just google "Epstein's victims interview." They have spoken up. There is a Netflix documentary as well.
Where are the JFK files? I'm just sayin.
where is Anonymous when you really need them
Meh they’ve been pretty worthless for a while
Do people seriously think there’s a neat list…
I really don’t get this conspiracy theory. There’s no goddamn list, there’s some files, some people those files implicate but if there was enough evidence to actually prosecute people they would have. It’s not like we don’t know who he was around.
Ya idk why everyone acts like it’s a notated excel file with everyone’s fingerprint amd dna attached to the printout
The US Attorney General said in February that she had the client list "sitting on my desk right now".
But there's a very good chance she was lying.
Yes she was lying. I’m not even sure what the purpose of that was, I’m not sure they knew either
Kind of makes you realize how toothless Anonymous really is...
The problem is there's lots of rich & powerful people on the list, by Epstein's design. A whole lot of people across the political spectrum want that list to disappear.
Yes, sadly. Any record of who was coming to that island is long gone. I believe Epstein knew that if he didn't kill himself, they would come for him. So someone made sure those cameras were off so he could kill him self that night.
All of the records of who visited that island are 100% gone. There might be video of those acts that remain, but there will never be a conviction or a charge. They will say the video is "inconclusive." It's been years under both political parties. Between the original sweetheart deal in 2009 to his death in 2019, Epstein had 10 years to scrub everything from every location. Anyone who did use that island had a decade to make it look like they were never there. That place was likely scrubbed top to bottom with bleach to remove any DNA evidence.
There's nothing left to find. It's over.
Yes, And it was foolishness to think otherwise.
There is still Ghislaine
and she knows where ALL of the evidence is hidden. Until she's out (parole) and can physically retrieve the evidence herself, we'll have to wait.
Not sure if there is 'physical' evidence but she did facilitate women for Epstien. More than likely knows who used his partner's victims as well.
She's only alive because they believe she has a dead man's switch.
I'm really hoping she does.
She would think of something that Epstein didn't?
Possibly. I don't think he was particularly clever as a 'mastermind', he was relying purely on money and blackmail. On the other hand she's a Maxwell and already knows how things can go south when your crimes catch up to you so I wouldn't be at all surprised if she had a plan B.
Is Maxwell an infamous name?
Her father was a media mogul/politician, and also a fraud - he embezzled millions from his own companies. He got into debt in the late 80s and things started falling apart. Not too long afterwards, he was found dead in ‘odd’ circumstances (initially presumed he drowned, but multiple pathologists couldn’t conclusively rule on his cause of death).
God I feel old.
u/BigDorkEnergy101 gave a pretty good summary. Think Rupert Murdoch, but about to be in huge legal trouble for emptying the employees’ pension fund when he ‘fell off his yacht’. Cause of death unclear, generally assumed to be either suicide or just a heart attack since he was not a particularly healthy living individual. Officially natural causes but the fraud came to light when his business collapsed after his death leading people to suggest he knew it was about to end and decided to go out on his own terms.
He had links to British, Soviet, and Israeli intelligence agencies although it’s unclear what exactly his connections were. He was buried in the Mount of Olives cemetery in Jerusalem though and a lot of Israeli politicians and former heads of their intelligence agency attended the funeral, so make of that what you will.
Oh and the yacht was the Lady Ghislaine, named after his daughter.
Think about the danger of a dead man switch.
Sure, it makes you staying alive extremely important to some people, but it makes your death valuable to even more.
The townhouse in New York was known to be covered in cameras and had a video control room. There’s physical evidence, tapes and probably secure digital files, out there. I doubt they’d go to the trouble of having so many hidden cameras and no failsafe backups.
Might be why Ghislaine is still alive, her death could trigger their publication. That’s how I’d have set it up, especially after Epsteins murder.
She also raped the girls herself let’s not forget about that
She has evidence, she said once that she had made arrangements for everything to be released if anything happened to her while serving her sentence, she might not have a conscience about her crimes but is smart enough to let those implicated know that she won't end up dead in a cell under suspicious circumstances like Epstein without bringing them all down too
Isn’t it possible she could volunteer to do a news interview and reveal all? Obviously she would have some credibility issues, but still.
Or, she has plenty of time to write a book..
She will get killed before that could happen unless she does it when she’s like 80 lmao
Idk it’d be pretty easy to kill an 80 yr old 🤷
Well not if she spends her time training
Does she have plenty of time? I imagine she’s only alive so long as she’s locked up and quiet.
What makes you think she would want to?
Guilty conscience?
Ghislaine doesn't even comprehend what conscience is, for her it's some silly commoners thing.
She is as much of a self-serving monster as Epstein was and there is no way she would try to endanger herself by releasing any hidden tapes, pictures or documents without getting something extremely valuable out of it.
I agree. Thats why I'm asking them what makes them think she would spill.
she's the last (known) man standing, so to speak. she does have a huge amount of power at the moment despite her imprisonment, owing to the information she knows
T-minus how many days until she suffers the same fate?
“Ms. Maxwell died today after falling from a first floor window onto a bullet.”
“Multiple times”
"the suicide happened after a stretch of depression in prison. The guards are unsure of the spesifics of the event due to an unfortunate glitch where alle cameras in the prison stopped working for 25 minutes"
Innocent now right?
Why isn’t she blabbing like crazy?