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Why are there almost never any school shooters that are girls?

I don't want to encourage it at all, I'm just dumbfounded on why it's almost always a boy. 98 percent to be exact.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/1lvli4o/why_are_there_almost_never_any_school_shooters/
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MangoSalsa89

This can extended to most violent crimes in general. A combination of social, hormonal, and psychological factors that affect boys.

10 hours ago
1biggeek

Same thing with serial killers.

1 hour ago
Haruspex12

Testosterone may not be an intelligence enhancing drug, but it definitely increases the probability of some type of reaction to a challenging stimulus.

6 hours ago
RazzmatazzUnique6602

That pretty closely corresponds to all physical violence.

11 hours ago
AxisW1

Woman say they want to be equal but then refuse to commit as much violent crime as us

7 hours ago
No_Meet4305

Damn it! Ladies, we have to pump these numbers up!

3 hours ago
Strange_Vagrant

Jennifer is bringing the mags. Tiffany, is that a combat knife?! I like the spirit!

1 hour ago
pilgrim_pastry

And my axe!

1 hour ago
Status_Garden_3288

This is why I don’t understand the whole “oh you want equal right? Does that mean men can hit women now?”

Because if things were truly going to be equal women would have to do a lot more murder

1 hour ago
FarSeason150

LOL

4 hours ago
Annual_Strategy_6206

Man what a twist

2 hours ago
burf

Yep, look at violent crime stats of any kind and it’s like 90% males. Some of it might underreporting (with assault/battery) because violence by men tends to be more severe, but even murder, which is pretty accurately reported, shows the same trend.

10 hours ago
Little_Orlik

Most violent crimes are committed by men. Even the homicide rate, which is something like 12% committed by women, is vastly increased by the amount of women who are trying to leave an abusive partner but are unable to. Once no-fault divorce was allowed and women could simply divorce their husbands, men’s life expectancy spiked. Of course, that’s not the case with every man (my aunt tried to divorce her husband and he beat her to death), so the homicide rate being as high as it is makes sense since many women fear for their lives if they try to leave/ask for a divorce. 

I was a hospice assistant for like a month. I heard 2 murder confessions. One was a woman who killed her husband because he would abuse their children and she couldn’t divorce. The other was more horrifying to me; this woman was meticulous about collecting evidence: she proved he was cheating, she proved he was abusive, but he was a police officer so the case was thrown out immediately, because how could such a pillar of the community abuse his wife? 

8 hours ago
Shaking-a-tlfthr

I once read a tweet I have not forgotten and have often repeated. It went something like this………………..”PHEW! Nursing school does NOT prepare you for the number of people who confess to decades-old murder on their deathbed.”

4 hours ago
dorianslaaay

Good to know as I’m starting nursing school in the fall. Yikes, haha

3 hours ago
VulcanCookies

Women are also less likely to be repeat offenders. They'll murder the guy, do the time, and then never commit a crime again. Kind of the opposite for men - the first one is usually the start of a pattern 

6 hours ago
cowlinator

Women are less likely to be repeat offenders, it's true.

But the repeat offense rate for men is also low.

Most murderers just aren't serial killers.

3 hours ago
Zarathustra_d

We should all get one freebie.

3 hours ago
cowlinator

Lets see...

8 billion people...

8 billion murders...

Uh oh

3 hours ago
Roaches_R_Friends

🎶 THIS IS THE ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN

OF ULTIMATE DESTINY 🎶

2 hours ago
minyhumancalc

Yes but everytime they murder someone, the number of potential murderers goes down

2 hours ago
VulcanCookies

Yes I shouldn't have said murder, I meant violent crime but was conflating the two 

2 hours ago
TheAlmightyBuddha

similar case to someone close to me, killed the husband and had children in jail only for the case to get relooked at and her released with less than a year of jail time

6 hours ago
No-Spread6433

47 percent of police officers beat their wives and children

5 hours ago
YouTasteStrange

47% of police officers admit to beating their wives and children. The study was a survey of police officers, they never followed up with the families of officers who denied beating their families to make sure the officers were being honest.

4 hours ago
PublicOppositeRacoon

The underreporting comment makes me think what the rate of unreported violence from women to men is, given the fact we have this horrible thought process that either "I need to man up and deal with it" or "I'm ashamed to say I was beaten up by a woman". I agree that violence is predominantly male originating, but I do wonder how much goes unreported because of the social stigma around "masculinity".

9 hours ago
KnightRider1987

It’s absolutely under reported, but also part of that is that it’s simply less likely a man will suffer the same level of serious harm (wind up in the hospital type) both because of the gender disparity in size and strength as well as in tendency to violence.

Men and boys do need to be educated that intimate partner violence is just as wrong when it’s done to them as to when it’s done by them, on that I agree.

8 hours ago
athaluain

Yes it’s also wrong when it happens to men. But a lot of women don’t report domestic abuse from their husbands either mainly through fear. I know plenty of women who suffered in silence. The ones reported are only the tip of the iceberg.

6 hours ago
Wactout

My ex wife would always try to fight me. One time I told her I was going to call the cops, because she went at me with a broom. She started punching herself in the face screaming, who are they going to believe?!? Luckily during the divorce hearing, her therapist argued against her in court, and she was hospitalized a few times for drug use and attempted suicide. That was almost 20 years ago. I still feel a huge sense of relief even now.

7 hours ago
Unique_Evidence_2518

I'm sorry sorry you went through that. My ex-husband used to hit me when we were downstairs and the kids were up (or vice-versa) and then yell out -- loudly enough for them to hear -- for me to stop hitting him. Abusers must all go to the same school.

7 hours ago
Nervous-History8631

One key aspect here is that pscological abuse can cause serious harm. According to ManKind (UK base male DV helpline) 98% of their callers are suffering pscological abuse (https://mankind.org.uk/statistics/statistics-on-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse/).

Which alone is bad, but can absolutely also lead to self harm and suicidal intent.

So in that case even under that guise part of what could be said here is that abuse by men often leaves more visible harm.

7 hours ago
sterling_mallory

You've also gotta factor in how much violence against women goes unreported as well. I'd be curious what the percentages of each are but that'd obviously not be possible.

7 hours ago
burf

It’s absolutely underreported, and domestic abuse of men by women is one of many areas we need to improve with regard to masculinity. Unfortunately the incel manosphere is doing its best to keep the public’s idea of masculinity in the 1930s.

9 hours ago
BalloonShip

Violence against women is likely MORE underreported than violence against men.

Also, the lower level of violence by women include violence against other women, not just men.

8 hours ago
WarPuig

Reddit is mostly young men and it’s threads like this that show it.

8 hours ago
carex-cultor

For fucking once I’d like to have a discussion about the epidemic of male violence without men derailing about WhAt AbOuT FeMalE ViOleNce

7 hours ago
Dizzy-Captain7422

It is not possible to have that discussion on this website.

6 hours ago
Qilwaeva

It is not possible to have that discussion on this website.

4 hours ago
Positive_Panda_4958

Violence against women by men is a systemic issue. In addition to victim support, societal intervention is needed to stop it.

Violence against men by women is an individual or group issue. The victim support is just as important. But the societal intervention isn’t needed and may even be harmful.

Also worth mentioning that just looking at the West is inherently wrong. Most women live in either Africa, India, China, or the Muslim world. What happens in America and Europe is borderline irrelevant, the populations are too low.

8 hours ago
BalloonShip

What happens in America and Europe is borderline irrelevant, the populations are too low.

I would argue violence against women in America is highly relevant to American women.

I agree that violence against women is a much more substantial problem than violence against men, becuase there is so much more of it and it's more likely to be serious. That doesn't change my view that violence against women is probably even more underreported than violence against men. If anything, it supports this view victims of male violence have a legitimate need to fear being killed for reporting it that victims of female violence typically do not.

7 hours ago
MeasurementNovel8907

Misogyny is a major indicator of violence

https://www.vice.com/en/article/nearly-all-mass-shooters-since-1966-have-had-four-things-in-common/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/us/mass-shootings-misogyny-dayton.html

https://www.motherjones.com/criminal-justice/2019/06/domestic-violence-misogyny-incels-mass-shootings/

https://www.womennc.org/news/what-fuels-americas-mass-shootings-misogyny

Documented all over the place.

8 hours ago
GuessSharp4954

Without getting too into it I'll never forget a conversation where I was talking with a work friend and the topic of women being afraid of men came up. I was like "I do feel sympathy for men who feel bad when it happens, because it can't be a nice feeling. But the fear isn't irrational. It comes from a genuine societal issue"

and his "gotcha defense" was "well men are also the ones who most often victimize other men!!!" and I was just kind of baffled like, yeah. That's bad too. If a man was afraid of other men he would also have a pretty rational fear based in a very real societal issue.

10 hours ago
Ganache-Embarrassed

Amazing rebuttal really. "Women fear men" well "men hurt men the most!"... so what youre saying is even men arent safe around men? How does this make women feel any better lol

9 hours ago
GuessSharp4954

The one defense I'll give him is that he's a generally good guy who was in a mental funk after some bad dates. We had a whole chill talk where I tried to balance comiserating with pointing that out, and he took it really well at the end.

He's a big dude so I think he struggles to intuitively empathize with a feeling of physical vulnerability. It just doesn't occur to him that the women he meets aren't afraid because they think he's likely to be violent, but rather that they're afraid because in the extreme off chance he's violent there's literally nothing they can do to stop him.

9 hours ago
Doom_Corp

I'm a 6'3" athletic looking lady and it's given me an advantage my whole life (outside of some extremes and especially the gross shit that started happening when I was 13 and 5'7") that no one messes with me. I get in other peoples faces protecting other women because dudes get confused. Sometimes they don't want to hit a woman...but they definitely don't want to try their luck with a woman that's even an inch taller than them. It's so gross to hear guys say they want to argue with me (over bullshit they did) but I might beat them up. So, if I was shorter you'd sing a different tune??

5 hours ago
FlowersnFunds

Weird that he used that as a gotcha when almost every man who has ever been in a heterosexual relationship or has a daughter has said the phrase “I don’t trust those men” at least once. Any guy who has been out to bars knows exactly who to watch out for - drunk men trying to prove something.

We inherently know that guys can be giant pieces of shit in very harmful ways, there’s nothing to argue about there.

6 hours ago
RddtLeapPuts

OP asked “why” though

8 hours ago
Roam1985

Same reason that 90% of violent crime is males between the ages of 12-40.

10 hours ago
GarbadWOT

I worked with juvenile offenders for a time. There are clear pattern differences. Boys are more violent, disruptive, and prone to heavy drug use. Girls are more promiscuous, anxious, and prone to self harming. Looking at that list its clear why the boys get thrown in jail and the girls get counseling.

8 hours ago
Telaranrhioddreams

In the examples you listed boys tend to lash out and harm others while girls tend to lash out only harming themselves. Both need counseling but the reason one leads to incarceration more than the other is because one is leaving behind victims who want justice as opposed to the victim being themselves.

6 hours ago
gaaren-gra-bagol

You can murder other people many times. You can only murder yourself once.

2 hours ago
thetrustworthybandit

Genuine question: In your experience, are the girls genuinely more promiscuous, or do the boy's sex lives just not raise as many eyebrows?

I'm genuinely curious if the amount of sexual partners would be the same but get different treatments or if women are more likely to just choose sex as their "acting out" method as opposed to men choosing violence.

7 hours ago
GarbadWOT

Yes, we viewed it as a means by which they expressed their trauma, much like how the drug use or aggression by boys was a symptom of their issues.

My involvement in this was from a criminal prosecution perspective. We didn't particularly care about the boys/girls being sexual in general, it was specifically illegal/harmful/disruptive promiscuity that hit our radar. This includes sexual violence/abuse either as victim or perpetrator, prostitution, sexual attention seeking or defiance, that kind of thing. I don't think overall rates of sexual activity are much different (although females are higher I believe).

7 hours ago
thetrustworthybandit

I see, thanks for the answer!

6 hours ago
AP_in_Indy

I have experience living in a low-income "safety net" program for dropouts.

Lots of people were "promiscuous", but the girls who acted out did so in an "off-the-charts" kind of way.

I didn't understand it very well at the time. Took me off guard. Was a massive culture shock - I was raised in Catholic schools and that kind of stuff just wasn't talked about.

As time went on, I've learned girls who are abused at a young age or who find sex as an outlet of expression will sometimes just take whatever attention they can get, from whoever, in whatever kind of way, even if it makes them hate themselves and feel worthless and used at the end of the day - because many of them ALREADY feel worthless or suffered abuse and mistreatment for years, but at least now they're the ones in "control".

The guys would "rotate" or "run a train" on the handful of these girls who were acting out and making themselves available to (or sometimes even aggressively pursuing) pretty much everybody.

So yeah... Definitely more severe promiscuity came from females.

Wasn't super common, but even just a small handful of females acting out in a place will make a huge difference in culture due to how severe it can be. Men also respond very strongly to it, unfortunately.

4 hours ago
Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat

I think one factor can be a history of CSA, which often, but not always, causes increased sexual behavior in the victim. And far more girls are victimized than boys in this way. So if we're talking about problematic behaviors as a result of child abuse, you see more hypersexuality in girls and more externalized violence in boys.

4 hours ago
Prudent-Cook-7794

I'd imagine opportunity is a huge factor. The only thing holding be back at 14 was lack of opportunity.

7 hours ago
Web_singer

I worked with high school dropouts. The number one reason boys dropped out was fighting. The number one reason girls dropped out was getting pregnant.

7 hours ago
Mediocre_Let1814

A really high proportion of the fathers in teenage pregnancy cases are adult men. That ('that' being adult men raping and impregnating female children) always gets missed from this conversation, and instead we just label teenage girls 'promiscuous'

5 hours ago
SeasonPositive6771

I worked in child safety for nearly 2 decades and you are absolutely right.

There's this almost obsessive tendency to blame young women for "promiscuity" when it's almost always "groomed and abused, usually raped."

And then we blame girls for their "behavior," even in this thread.

Edit: I have also never, in my entire career, seen anything even remotely like the shaming and punishment girls get for "promiscuity" to boys. Usually people laugh it off and say things like "at least he's not doing XYZ violent crime," even if he is the offender in these situations.

3 hours ago
RiotingMoon

that fucking part

4 hours ago
555Cats555

That and its not like boys can get pregnant to drop out of school for that reason so its a crazy comparison to make lol

4 hours ago
harpsdesire

Right, if boys had to drop out for fathering a child it would be a more accurate comparison.

2 hours ago
SinfullySinless

As a middle school teacher, I always tell the boys- “girls are sneakier when they break the rules and it’s hard for me to prove anything in a report. Boys when they get mad just stand up and do the dumb thing loudly and obviously”.

7 hours ago
mlwspace2005

We obviously don't spend enough time encouraging our girls that they can do anything boys can

11 hours ago
TheFoxsWeddingTarot

Well the one famous female school shooter got the best 80s song written about her.. what more can we do???

10 hours ago
Top-Cupcake4775

As soon as I saw the title of the OP that song started playing in my head.

sweet sixteen ain't that peachy keen / now that ain't so neat to admit defeat / they can see no reasons 'cause there are no reasons / what reasons do you need?

10 hours ago
thevilgay

I read once, on suicide methods being different based on gender, when women were asked how they’d kill themselves virtually none said guns. They’d go with pills, poison, etc., they stated it was because they didn’t want anyone to deal with a mess and they didn’t want to be a mess.

Men don’t think of that. They act on impulse and often men with MH issues go unchecked, so they’re louder with their exits.

I have lost both male and female friends to suicide. He shot himself and she overdosed. One was a big mess for the roommates and the other was silently found in a car. One’s note was more anger ridden, where the other was apologetic.

10 hours ago
TessDombegh

Yes. More women attempt suicide than men, but more men complete suicide, because they are more likely to choose the most lethal methods

8 hours ago
shiny_xnaut

More women attempt suicide than men

I have to wonder if that statistic is specifically "number of women who attempt" or "number of attempts made by women", because if it's the latter, then people who attempt multiple times could potentially end up skewing the results. Hard to attempt suicide twice if you succeed the first time

8 hours ago
0-90195

Suicides Georgina, who attempts suicide 10,000 times per day, is a statistical outlier and should not have been counted

7 hours ago
EraserHeadsLeg

One day she’ll die doing what she loved.

6 hours ago
Izzi_Skyy

Jesus Christ, I'm going to hell based on how hard I laughed at this.

6 hours ago
ComradeJohnS

laughing at suicide isn’t against holy law. suicide is tho.

3 hours ago
AndrewFurg

Thanks I needed a pick-me-up in this horrific topic

6 hours ago
DazB1ane

I’ve never had an original thought huh

4 hours ago
JohnSober7

Sylvia Plath moment

4 hours ago
FourteenBuckets

Studies find that only 10% of failed suicides succeed with a later attempt. If you can get through this once, odds are you'll stay with us

6 hours ago
Salty_Map_9085

Something like 70% of people who survive a suicide attempt never attempt again

6 hours ago
Birdo3129

People who survive jumping off bridges almost always report that they regretted their decision the second their hands left the railing.

3 hours ago
mongolian_monke

this is just natural instinct and the same for any method. once it truly sets in that you're going to die, logic goes out the window. your brain panics and your experience will be extremely panic inducing and negative. so if you survive, you associate it with negativity, and panic

2 hours ago
ZERODIMM

Gosh this data is incredibly depressing. If we had to check.

7 hours ago
Extra-Muffin9214

Men continue to outcompete in female dominated fields.

8 hours ago
PICAXO

Aggressively autodestructing competitive misogyny

7 hours ago
mosquem

Nope, even controlling for the methods used men are just more effective at it.

8 hours ago
NewDemocraticPrairie

True. But they are also more likely to "complete" suicides even by less lethal methods

8 hours ago
Complete_Ruin_1314

I had a brother in law that hung himself after his business went under and he couldn't pay rent. I think that it's because he felt like he was a failure if he couldn't take care of things on his own, which of course wasn't true. Most of the family would've stepped up to help if they knew.

8 hours ago
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7 hours ago
Tia_is_Short

That logic always confuses me. Like the guys who want new girlfriends, but don’t want to get a divorce. I feel like divorce court is probably a lot easier than a murder trial, that’s just me though.

6 hours ago
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6 hours ago
Literary67

Imagine! Murder is not romantic.

4 hours ago
DisastrousJaguar3202

Pathetic people need to be the victim. If he initiates divorce, others might call him the bad guy, and he cant handle that. If he kills her, he’s the lonely widow victim that didn’t do anything wrong. Emotionally shallow and pathetic people who lash out at the idea of being wrong are exactly the type of people who would have the narcissism and lack of empathy to actually commit the act. They may even justify it in their own heads by making themselves the victim of a bad relationship that they “escaped”.

6 hours ago
bbgirlwym

Also they want to keep their money and believe they can get away with it.

6 hours ago
onarainyafternoon

Chris Watts. Murdered his wife, her unborn baby, and his two young children. All because he was seeing a woman on the side and didn't want to be married to his wife anymore. Literally the dude could have just divorced his wife. So bizarre.

5 hours ago
Valuable-Cat2036

I think this is what happens when men internalize two beliefs: 1) you are a failure of a person if you do not "provide" for your family and do not succeed in business/career; 2) violence is the man's natural way to solve problems. This way they don't have to confront the fallout of their failure and they get to, in the sickest of ways, redeem their "masculinity" by putting a violent end to everything.

5 hours ago
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5 hours ago
neocarleen

Family annihilatiors are bizarre. The reasoning they give is always something like losing thier job or wanting to be with a new girlfriend. And then they commit incredibly heinous murders.

6 hours ago
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5 hours ago
SeasonPositive6771

I worked in child safety until recently, and now I work with crime victims. We received some special training on family annihilators, and they are horrifying. Some of the misogyny and hatred they have towards their own families surprised me, it's like it's not even enough to kill them, they can't imagine their family members' existence as independent human beings with agency.

Don't get me wrong, mothers that kill their families are also very sad but you are correct, it's often delusion and psychosis.

3 hours ago
Bannedwith1milKarma

Ego wounds manifest in physical wounds.

6 hours ago
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6 hours ago
Redisigh

I’m a serious trauma survivor and have strongly considered it but figure the damage it’d do to loved ones, especially my fiancee would be life ruining and I can’t do that to them just because I couldn’t bare the aftermath

But even then, I just can’t imagine doing something like using a gun or car and the like. I’ve always wished there was a way to just vanish so there wasn’t a mess or anything because even then, OD and poison can cause “messes”

Honestly the thought of getting to that point where you just don’t care anymore about the consequences is so scary and I really feel for those that get to that point

8 hours ago
Sassy_Weatherwax

I hope you have support to keep you from getting to the darkest places!

8 hours ago
ToimiNytPerkele

It’s not even not caring about the end result, it’s more of the end result being desirable. I didn’t go so deep in to it that I felt like people would be overjoyed, the scarier part looking back was the seeming rationality of it all. Yes, people close to me would be sad, they’ll get over it, and they will realize it was the better option. It’ll take them a few months but the relief will be immense and besides, I’ve made sure that my money will go to the right people. They’ll be so much more happy and live fuller lives with that instead of me. It won’t take them long to come to this rational conclusion! Sure I’ll seep death juice in to my mattress but my assets will easily cover a hazmat crew. It’s a very dangerous mindset because you aren’t outwardly chaotic and displaying worrying behavior. You aren’t telling a physician you’re doing everyone possible the largest favor in the history of mankind, you’re telling an attorney you’re going to Mt. Everest and you want your affairs in order just in case the worst possible happens.

It would be cool to have that kind of drive and determination again, just with a more useful focus, lol.

6 hours ago
EarlyInside45

Same. I know what it's like to grow up with a dead mom and suicided brother. I wouldn't do that to anyone. There have definitely been times I wish I could hit a delete button, though.

3 hours ago
seven_unickorns

In the study of intersection of gender and mental health, I believe there's also the angle of: "Mental health struggles are female problems and strong men don't have that." Stereotypical ideas of masculinity see "needing help" as weak.

For such a school of thought, attempting suicide is the very definition of "weakness". If a man survives such an attempt, he'll be even more ridiculed, adding to the mental health struggles that pushed him to the point of suicide in the first place.

Thus, surviving suicide is pretty much the second worst thing that can happen to a man surrounded by such ideologies.

8 hours ago
thevilgay

Ik this is about shootings, but women aren’t imposed to that kind of social expectation and experience to jump right to guns

10 hours ago
mildbolognapony

Signs I was raised my women (I'm a man).

Pills and booze. I even figured I'd wear a diaper. I didn't want a mess for people to deal with.

8 hours ago
OutlyingPlasma

Now there is a headline: Man found in diaper overdosed on pills.

6 hours ago
watermeloncake1

Edited headline: Considerate man found in diaper overdosed on pills

6 hours ago
godrollexotic

Definitely the case. When I was preparing to kill myself, I was worried about the brain splatter and tried to arrange a shower curtain in a way it would catch everything, made sure to lock the bathroom and left a note not to go inside. Luckily the gun jammed.

7 hours ago
nerdorama

Oh wow... actually that's something I didn't even think of. My male friend who took his life hung himself so his wife/son could find him. My family member took pills. Both are horrible, but one was certainly more dramatic.

7 hours ago
Key-Cook9448

so sorry to hear that :(

8 hours ago
rewardiflost
I use old.reddit.com Chat does not work.

Girls/Women are not generally inclined towards mass violence or as much towards physical violence.

They don't generally build bombs or drive trucks into crowds. When they choose to end even their own lives they are more likely to use drugs or poison than a gun.

Plenty of women will hire or manipulate someone else into performing violence on their behalf though. Some studies find women more likely to hire hitmen, though charges usually show men more frequently prosecuted.

11 hours ago
qbee2000

That's interesting! I guess men take the spousal killing in their own hands while women may need to outsource because their husband are still generally stronger than them.

6 hours ago
Flamesweett

it’s def a mix of how society raises boys vs girls like boys r way less encouraged to talk abt feelings or seek help so all that rage just builds. girls are more likely to self-harm or turn inward with trauma while guys lash out. also a lot of shooters have power/control issues and some weird obsession w violence n revenge, which tends to fester more in isolated angry men. it’s not that girls don’t feel pain, it’s just expressed v differently most of the time. but yeah the stat is wild, not dumb at all to question it.

4 hours ago
Royal_Annek

Violence is marketed to men.

11 hours ago
FinalEdit

So....there's a gap in the market?

10 hours ago
csonnich

Untapped potential. Get on it, Johnson! 

10 hours ago
curtiss_mac

this is the gender gap they have been telling us about! WE GOTTAS CLOSE IT LADIES

8 hours ago
StrangeOutcastS

EVERYONE IS NOW ENROLLED IN FIGHT CLUB

7 hours ago
Agitated-Country-969

Rule 1 of ...

7 hours ago
Sic_Semper_Dumbasses

This is largely it. Testosterone does play a bit of a role in making men a little more aggressive, but nowhere near as much as people tend to make it out to be. It's far more about how society encourages men to be violent and aggressive but not women.

10 hours ago
hollowedhallowed

I mean, that can't be entirely true. Violent crime is much more prevalent in men, and that's across all cultures and nations, so if we're going to say "culture/society did it," we'd have to look at why it's still a species-wide phenom.

10 hours ago
Sic_Semper_Dumbasses

Yes, it is more prevalent in Men In general across societies.

However, the multiplier is dramatically different. In most European and East Asian countries, the multiplier is less than times two. Well the multiplier is closer to times five or six in the US.

So either man in the US have three times more testosterone than men and the rest of the world, or testosterone has a much smaller impact than social conditioning.

10 hours ago
SnowTheMemeEmpress

Ah, yeah, American culture in general is a bit violent. It would be interesting to take a deep dive into that subject to see why

9 hours ago
CofffeeeBean

There is no society or culture where violence is marketed towards women…

You are using the same logic as when misogynists say “why haven’t there been as many women inventors throughout history and all of society if women and men have similar intelligence?” The logic doesn’t make sense because it implies that there must be some society that discriminates against men (or in our case, some society that promotes violence for women) in order to see the opposite trend.

10 hours ago
Indoril120

But there must be some societal component to school shootings. The US has much higher rates than other countries with the same rates of males to females.

10 hours ago
hollowedhallowed

The fact that it's usually young men who pick up the gun in the first place can be explained by sex differences in violent behavior, but the rate of shootings in general has more to do with the guns themselves. The USA has more guns than people, by a lot, and very few restrictions on who can get one. (Most other nations have stringent rules on who can get a permit, where they can shoot, and regular checks to ensure safe use.) What that means is that anyone who wants to shoot some people can do so with relatively little red tape preventing them from doing so.

The main difference between a gun and almost every other type of weapon is that guns make it very easy to make fatal decisions *impulsively.*

10 hours ago
Psiondipity

Culture and society no longer end at a national border.

By and large, those places and cultures where violence is glorified, violence is more prevalent.

10 hours ago
hollowedhallowed

Agreed, but men have perpetrated the vast majority of violent crimes regardless of their culture OR the time period in which they lived, even in societies that discourage it quite a lot. I mean, most societies would prefer it if you didn't shoot up the place.

10 hours ago
SerGeffrey

Then why is the sex gap in violence consistent cross culturally?

This isn't merely a social phenomenon, it's biological. Violence is strongly linked with testosterone. There are differences in male brains in the areas responsible for threat response and impulse control. We also know that male violence peaks at the same age as testosterone peaks. Every single culture across human history that we've observed has demonstrated disproportionate male violence.

I don't get this weird insistence that biological factors between males and females need to be denied. It's not necessary for anything. We can acknowledge the biological differences between male and female and still be egalitarian, still be trans-positive, still be feminists, whatever else. Pretending like these sex differences are social isn't actually helping anyone anywhere. 

7 hours ago
Odd-Guarantee-6152

Men commit something like 95% of violent crime overall.

11 hours ago
Current-Ad6521

Men commit way more crime and violence in general

It's been pretty well established that men tend to have externalizing behaviors and women tend to have internalizing behaviors-

So women are more likely to blame themselves, while men are more likely to blame others or external factors. The negative behaviors we tend to see in women in response to problems in life are things like disordered eating, which is aimed at the self. The negative behaviors we tend to see in men in response to problems in life are things like violence and negative world view.

The biggest factor thought to be the cause of internalization/ externalization is socialization

There are also of course biological differences, namely that testosterone may increase aggression, but that a being said - everyone has testosterone and most can control themselves from becoming violent. Mentally healthy men with high testosterone and good emotional regulation skills are not violent.

10 hours ago
GP_222

Because nearly all violent crime is committed by males. Not sure why no one talks about sex but are quick to point out things like race…. Makes 0 sense.

10 hours ago
nogard_

The fact that they refuse to make this simple connection is why nothing will ever be done.

8 hours ago
clandestineVexation

Contrary to what “society” will have you believe, men are more emotionally unstable.

3 hours ago
IdesinLupe

For the same reason there are almost no queer, fat, disabled, or BPOC school shooters.

All the studies I’ve seen show that school shootings happen when someone who believes they’re ‘supposed’ to be in the top echelon of society (white, cis-het, able bodied, conventionally attractive, atheistically Protestant , etc) is not receiving the attention, accolades, and/or experiencing success the way they feel they ‘should’ be. They figure that if they arnt experiencing the same success that others like them do, it must be because ‘they’ are stopping them, and ‘they’ need to pay.

9 hours ago
jessexpress

This is part of the reason that I don’t quite buy into the narrative that a lot of Gen Z are turning towards nationalism and far-right pipelines because they have been beaten down and told they are bad by ~wokeism/feminism while they were growing up.

Gay people, for example, have been told throughout history and in most cultures across the world that they are ontologically evil and God himself thinks they are sinners, and yet there aren’t many mass shootings (and haven’t been historically) and pivots towards violent extremism by LGBT people.

There are lots of factors at play but the idea of anger due to being denied what you’re ‘owed’ seems like a big one to me.

4 hours ago
JahmezEntertainment

this, i feel, is probably the main point.

when you look at shooters' manifestos, i think a lot of them describe how they feel emotional turmoil from, essentially, not being in control of others, or being 'cheated out of their rightful place in society'. this would explain why the stats skew so massively towards white, non-queer, middle class men, since those are normally enfranchised demographics, compared to other people. elliot rodgers' manifesto is a good example of this, as he clearly held delusions of grandeur and felt cheated that women wouldn't give him what he was due, basically.

6 hours ago
CantaloupeWhich8484

One small quibble: many mass shooters are disabled, albeit not in highly visible ways. Intellectual disabilities and significant mental illness are both extremely common in mass shooters.

2 hours ago
eldentings

Right, that also implies that if you can't blame your failures on any external reason. It's just you...something about having all the right 'traits' and then you still fail means that you, as a raw individual, are unwanted and a loser. You were set up for success but still fucked it all up. That tends to break peoples minds when they start realizing that their core identity is undesirable.

And you could say they could change and become a better person, etc. That is true. But these are typically already mentally unstable individuals and don't have the strength or resources to do that.

4 hours ago
Crimsonflair49

Because men are far more violent and dangerous than women

3 hours ago
cwthree

Girls are socialized to turn their anger inward.

10 hours ago
MysteryNeighbor
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boys tend to lean towards more direct means of violence, girls tend to lean towards more indirect means (poisoning etc.)

11 hours ago
burf

This is part of it, but males just commit the vast majority of violent crimes, as well.

10 hours ago
hollowedhallowed

Yeah, I'm pretty tired of (mostly) men trying to discredit centuries of data and say instead that women are equally violent, at least in some ways. It's just not true. Men commit most violent crimes, in all societies, across historical time. Women, when they do commit homicides, may sometimes choose poison, but the vast majority of attempted poisonings are still committed by men.

10 hours ago
czernoalpha

A couple reasons, by my speculation

  1. Men in this country are not socialized to display emotions constructively. This leads to issues where emotional problems fester, and issues can't be corrected before damage is done.

  2. There is a strong social stigma against therapy in this country, especially for men. If they refuse to get help, emotional and mental issues build up to dangerous levels.

School shootings would probably happen much less frequently if we had better systems in place to identify when young men are struggling and get them help. It would also be beneficial to have some better gun control regulations to make it harder to get lethal weapons.

7 hours ago
Frosty-Diver441

Psychologists have studied this. Many modern shooters are aligned with incel ideologies, there is a lot more work to be done but you can read studies on this. I'm not a psychologist so I won't try to do the research justice. But incels are officially considered a terroristic threat.

6 hours ago
Steelpapercranes

In the words of my college prof: "They don't crawl out of a swamp. We just raise them that way."

Essentially, american culture accidentally became a school-shooter making machine that produces these boys. For more proof, well. I mean it doesn't really happen elsewhere, does it? It's partly our bizarre individualism, mostly our gender roles, and partly our gun laws and general culture of violence.

10 hours ago
Corn-_-Bred

Because women are far less violent on average than men.

7 hours ago
jedi_fitness_academy

From personal experience, women typically aren’t as violent as men by a long shot. And they’re much more likely to punish themselves than others.

7 hours ago
Teenyweenypeepee69

Men are more violent than women on average and small differences in averages make massive differences out at the poles.

Same reason all the super strong people are men.

4 hours ago
Kind_Wasabi_7831

They type of support between the genders does have a play into it.

Men/Boys tend to have their closest, more personal relationship being romantic and not many personal platonic relationships. Then, there is the stigma with emotions and how Men/Boys should express them, which gets reinforced by their peers, making them feel more isolated and less likely to seek help.

Women/Girls tend to have more personal platonic relationships. Women/Girls also have less stigma when it comes to showing emotions and vulnerability and are more likely to support each other or to seek help.

Edit because my dumb grammar.

11 hours ago
neocarleen

It's a uniquely American problem, as school shootings aren't such a common thing in most other countries.

5 hours ago
skelebabe95

Girls deal with their issues in different ways

10 hours ago
Professional-Art-762

socialization plays a role but i dont think it’s all of it though it is a big part of it since women are raised to be more nurturing, cooperative, and conflict-avoidant, while men are socialized to be more dominant,,or competitiv which steers behavior in different directions.

but even across cultures with different norms for gender equality, men consistently commit more violent crimes.

biology and hormones can’t be ignored. higher testosterone levels are linked to risk-taking and aggression pl , men tend to externalize emotions while women are more likely to internalize. theree are also sex-related brain differences in areas that regulate impulse control and aggression since brain connections and areas are also influenced bt sex hormones too.

add in the fact that men are often in higher-risk environments ie gangs, street life - it becomes a mix of biology + culture + opportunity.

5 hours ago
PixelZ_124

Same reason men commit way more of all violent crimes. Bit of testosterone and natutal aggression, bit of western socialisation. Bam! She's dead.

5 hours ago