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Whose devil fruit has better potential?!
Both Smoke Smoke fruit and Sand Sand fruit are weak but which one them has the possibility to get better in the future?
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Nah the Sand Sand fruit is strong asf. Absorbing moisture is dangerous
That power might bypass Haki since Haki doesn't nullify DF powers. That's pretty insane, the only ones safe are Logias and people with regeneration like Marco or it oucally, people with Zero moisture like possibly Mr1
It absolutely can if you have a significant enough strength advantage over your opponent.
See: every time someone wasn’t completely defeated when Aokiji froze them, Law being unable to use some of his Room abilities against Vergo and Big Mom, the use of Conq Gaki to hit without touching, and Law flat out nullifying a disease Doc Q hit him with while literally saying that Haki can counteract Devil Fruit powers.
The only think Haki can’t nullify is the effects of the user directly touching the body of a fruit user if that would have a negative consequence (most Logia’s, Magellan, Trebol, etc.)
I think the way Crocodile uses his fruit is different to a few of these examples. He is taking moisture out of the person's body using the fruit, haki wouldn't return all the moisture just because it was taken away via a devil fruit, that not how it works. Whereas the disease of Doc Q is a direct devil fruit affect on the body, its a very different case. It is similar to Aokiji though, when Garp broke out of the ice he used his strength to smash it, he didn't use haki to magically nullify being frozen, the temperature changed around him and ice covered his body so he broke out.
I was following up until the end can u reelaborate that last bit about the touching
When characters with Conqueror’s Haki infuse their attacks with it, they can hit without needing to actually make contact.
It’s why most of the Big Clashes in the series have an open space between their weapons/ fists/ whatever and the Haki Lightning flashing around them.
That's actually advanced CoA haki that does the no contact damage.
Armament does provide that benefit, but so does Conquerer’s, and to a greater extent.
No, the non contact effect is from CoA.
CoC just gets added onto CoA, like am ability buff in a game.
So for that last bit: you mean like Virgo wouldn't have been able to fight Magellan because the poison would still work through the haki?
That's neat if true, can anyone think of some examples that would support this?
I would assume maybe it would nullify the moisture effect with armament haki as long as the part is exposed is covered in it
They are both Logia’s and none of those is particularly weak. Both of those fruits do not have the strongest power output, but do have some crazy hax. That being said once you learn Haki, Smoker’s fruit loses most of its advantages while Crocodiles still stay. Especially if he’s in a desert. Sand fruit is stronger.
I wouldn't call the Sand-Sand weak I'd just say it's situationally powerful location wise, I also feel it was nerfed because A Luffy had to win and B it had to be believable. I could be out of my mind though. To answer the question, I think I'd be pushing to sand more, especially with the situational advantage
Dehydration vs Lung Cancer
Crocodile's DF isn't strictly just sand, which is why I'd put it way above Smoker's. If you scaled up Croc's moisture-draining power to the same degree as Aokiji freezing the ocean, you get Whitebeard-esque world-destroying powers.
I mean same goes for smoker. World with no oxygen , everything is smoked out. Gg
Smoker's fruit is so limited that even on EoS, I don't see him as part of the reformed Navy's Admiral.
it really based on creativity really. but imo, like earth bending in avatar, croc fruit are more versatile. you can literally build something with his fruit. like literally, you can use it for hiding, covering, trapping, attacking, building, traversing, etc.
Weak?? With Luffy's fantasy, and Robin's IQ , trust me , those DF could me deadly af
“Robin’s IQ”. She isn’t someone who uses her brain to fight. She already underutilizes her broken df in battles
Do we have to go with shown abilities, or what potentially could be?
Smoke can get incredibly hot, making the surroundings inhospitable. I've always wondered if Crocodile could be turned into glass if just heated enough?
I think OP wants to theorize about the what could be with either fruit. I like that about the smoke. And also, he could potentially compress himself too so that when he's attacks he's like a logia version of the spring or gum gum fruit.
the Smoke Fruit can be used more Creativly, But the Sand Fruit is just Superior in everyway even if the Smoke Fruit gotten a Creative User,
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Smoker could just turn his fist into smoke, move it into their lungs, then resolidify his hand inside their lungs and just start punching. Even if they are too tough enough to take the punches, it would still be hard to breath.
Crocodile can do the Same, Except he can give the Sandman Treatment from "Spiderman Earth-91126" without entering his entire self
I keep hoping that Smokers fruit has the awakening "where there's smoke, there is fire" I want it to be he can surround people with smoke then ignite it.
Ofc Crocos and not even close, it could dehydrate opponent, and it has phyiscal form that could hurt you like get stabbed and else.
smoker can give you lung cancer. sand can only throw dirt in your eyes.
POCKET SAND!! 😂😂
Smokers fruit can help make the perfect bbq. So that's it, case closed.
Smoke, bruh, ppl talking about draining moisture... How about draining oxygen... Smoke inhalation is why ppl die in fires...
Also, crocodile has a nice weakness, water. All you gotta do is throw water at him and you win lol.
Smoker can smother people but he doesn’t go that far
Sand sand fruit for sure. Being able to suck the water out of your enemy is insanely strong. Crocodile was also one the few antagonists that Luffy lost to not once but twice and only barely won the third time.
Smoker one is not awakened so we can't say anything until both goes all out
IMHO crocs fruit has better hax while smokers could potentially amp his physicals. Unlike crocs smoker is more mobile Airborne, and his smoke fruit can let him compress himself. This lets him launch himself forward like a spring like a logia version of Bellamy, Katakuri, or Luffy. And if Smoker begins to carry around more portable things that can generate larger quantities of smoke around him, he can potentially overwhelm crocs by blitzing him, assuming their physicals are both equal.
Crocs on the other hand can turn into the strongest version of a sandbender from Avatar the last Airbender. Most feats that earth benders like Jianzhu, Yun the false avatar, or even kiyoshi can do crocs can do too. And as people mentioned, more advanced versions of his fruit can involve glass transformation, "dust-stepping", or even sand to stone solidification. But imo there's really no physical amp that the fruit can give crocs.
The Suna Suna no mi is by no means weak. In fact, It is the only devil fruit that can counter its own weakness.
Think Smoker doesn't use his Smoke fruit potential at all. I am sure it can suffocate people.
Strength be croc but i say versatility would be smoker
crocodile can become the second jozu
Basically earth bending vs air bending
Sand, by far. Smoke is a neat power, but it’s the most generic logia with no real added benefit outside of the intangibility
The Sand Sand is a broken strong fruit, Crocodile being a punk ass that never hit the gym and refused to train his haki is a different thing all together
Same for smoker him being a jobbed doesn't means he has a weak fruit
Same goes for Buggy his fruit is great but he just never tried to train himself
Where is this animation from?
As croco once said...doesn't matter how strong your fruit is. Matters how you use it!
Smokers would be cooler due to the fact that he is made up of gas unlike crocodile
i think only a sort of personal moral code has prevented smoker from actively suffocating his opponents. i reckon suffocation is the kind of threat most logias don't protect you from
Honestly, Crocodile’s Sand abilities have greater potential and versatility. But I don’t think it takes away how creative Smoker can be.
I’d like to think he could take some inspiration from Caesar Clown in terms of ability. Like absorbing and remove the oxygen within his vicinity, removing his weakness against fire, as well as force his opponents into unconsciousness or even death via asphyxiation. But he wouldn’t go that far. I would like him to use his abilities, more stealthy like Caesar did, hiding in certain spaces and floating in the air, so he can then take down his opponent.
Looking at the fanart, does make me wish for a grueling rematch between them now.
Crocodile is closer to Mihawk than smoker is to crocodile.
suke suke no mi
Crocodile’s fruit by a lot.
Smoker’s fruit really isn’t that good. Yeah, it can suffocate people, but a) why can’t Crocodile’s fruit do that? All he has to do is manipulate the sand down into his opponent’s throat and now they’re not just choking on smoke that they can exhale, they’re now suffocating on sand that they can’t expel. And b) any fighter worth their salt shouldn’t get caught by the smoke in the first place.
I think where Smoker’s fruit really shines is that it seemingly can create “solid” smoke at times and gaseous smoke at others. Which can be good for controlling the battlefield. But this is STILL something Crocodile does but better, because sand is usually solid when you stand on it yet the granules can easily let things slide through them, AND whenever you touch the sand Crocodile can leech the moisture from your body.
Sand definitely. Crocodile made Albasta a desert with no rain. He could dry up all moisture. Which was his only weakness excluding common df weaknesses. He gets it.
Smokers fruit would be good if poisoning was a thing, but it really isn't in One Piece
Crocodile easily wins. The fruit is highly versatile and sand has so many forms.
You can even cut with sand if you make it move fast enough
It very well could be. But it's clear at this point that smoker simply is too weak at this point to really leverage that side of his fruit if it exists.
Oh, I think it's Oda that's not leveraging it really
Even Cesar, a scientist, didn't use it well.
Smoker could beat Akainu with his fruit, because he could make the Magma go solid and stop burning
Now I think about Senku with the gas gas fruit, devastating lol
Sand sand has an elemental power which can dry up anything. I'm not aware of a similar quirk from Smoker's fruit that can still be differentiated from the Gas Gas fruit of Cesar.
He can go inside your body and mutilate you, but one piece isn't that kind of series
Technically sand can do the same thing. But smoker can fly and possibly empower himself with smoke around him like Caesar
Crocodile can fly too though? Right? 🤔
I know he can create hurricanes, but can he fly himself (not fast dashes) - idk.
Most logia can fly
But presumably Caesar clown, Karasu, and smoker can fly better as their element is naturally gaseous or a gassy suspension
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Sorry but what's the difference between Karasu and Crocodile? Both DF are just small particles. Soot is just carbon sand
I guess its just about how specific you want to go? Sand varies on location but its mostly just grain sized "rock"(quartz). Soot is more plant based, formed from a specific type of burning of wood.
So yea they're the same lol, I can see them really being different when they're awakened. Like crocodile touching a specific type of rock and creating different types of sand (maybe like zgaara in Naruto manipulates different type of sand). For Soot idk how it would work.
No, not all. Instantly I think of Akainu, Aokiji, BB, Caribou.
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I dont understand BBs so his logic is darkness?
Yeah but it’s dense and sucks things in. Basically a black hole.
Sounds hot
Yes it’s darkness, as Kizaru is light. Logia’s are anything that occurs naturally in the environment. But Oda put a little spin on the darkness element. He gave it special properties. Like kizaru’s light element.
I think in Impel down he at least floats, but he can't cross the ocean flying surely. Not sure if Smoker can, though, I don't remember.
The inside of the human body is wet so I think the best he can do is fill your throat with sand
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How can he be... Dead? Another multiverse story with another Parker?
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So... He killed his spidey instead of killing zombie spidey? That's gruesome.
Agreed. It’s also a classic case of “The writer’s barely disguised fetish”
He thought normal spidey was zombie spidey. Sandman retreated from the scene of the sinister six being mutilated only to encounter Spider-Man again immediately after. In a state of panic he kills normal spider man thinking he got rid of his zombie variant.
Imho, it's unlikely Smoker can do that: it seems like he needs enough space to materialize his body (or parts of it), and otherwise, smoke is just smoke, albeit being controlled.
Also, some of the moves (like getting into the body and blowing it up from inside) are a can of worms that shouldn't be opened. Simply because it would be hard to explain why it isn't used all the time, how to counter it, and battles using it would look extremely weird.
You mean that thing G5 Luffy does when eaten by a dragon? Go deeper into his body and then balloon up. If I recall the next thing he did was punch the backs of his eyeballs from inside his skull in order to facilitate his escape. It did look extremely weird, and it only passes the suspension of my disbelief because that's exactly how we've been shown to expect G5 to work, stretching his victim too. If he put his hand in say the mouth of Arlong because Sharky decided to try biting again, and then did a G3 "bone balloon, giant's fist" and just made the hand big— that is exactly the kind of thing, you're right, we shouldn't think too much about.
A devil fruit is the wrong hands, i.e. one of you creative freaky types, that's meant as a compliment, would be a scary thing.
Can’t you just use acoa in you lungs or other parts of your body?
Oh God, this is antman and thanos all over again😥
The effects of smoke just aren't properly depicted in the series. Being blasted with dense smoke isn't harmless; you wouldn't be able to see or breathe properly.
We know from his brief encounter with Ace in Alabasta that he can produce smoke the same way Ace can produce fire. He could do a lot with the fruit, its just a great example of a small fish with a strong fruit.
He was imposing as a logia at the entrance to the Grand line, but in reality he's no different than Caribou being one-shot by Pekoms at Fishman Island. Smoker doesn't use his fruit intelligently, and hasn't trained Haki in a way that maximizes the potential of smoke.
Can give you lung cancer
it surely makes him immune to lung cancer too, like ace with fire. He has the legendary power to smoke 3 cigars constantly and not have it affect his performance.
We don't know that for sure. Maybe he'd be an Admiral if he gave up smoking.
Smoker no smoking!! What about the brand??
at the same time, Smoker's fruit isn't hard countered by a light drizzle.
Doesn’t smoke do the same? Like when people smoke meat to dry it.
Smoke smoke, gives you cancer. Smoker will kill luffy in 10-15 years.
I wouldn't say the Smoke Smoke Fruit has no special quirks. It can get you kicked out of any restaurant in the US post early-2000s!