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Among the Strawhats who had a 1v1 fight in WANO, why was FRANKY the only one who didn't receive a good bounty raise .......................
Justice for my boy......................
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cuz Bounty is not only about strength
it also combines how much of a threat they are for the world government.
Robin so high because of Ohara + beeing in an emperors crew
jinbei former warlord that joins emperors and taking down former CP0
Zoro/Sanji taking down King/Queen
thats my guesses but yeah I forgot what else where factors for bounty raises
But WG knows that Franky had the Pluton plans and is a scientist and shipwright that might be capable of recreating Pluton or at the very least recreate the blueprints. He should've had a higher increase. He deserves 500mil at least
I think, although it might sound stupid, that the WG does not know that Franky can replicate the blueprints or build Pluton. Actually, that was one of Franky's greatest moments: he burnt the blueprints and convinced the WG that there was no way to replicate Pluton anymore. If they actually thought they could use Franky for building Pluton in any way, they would be way more interested in capturing him now, and that could make him deserve a bounty similar to Robin's (around 800-900 million)
This also begs the question how much do the higher ups know about Spandam's fuck up in Enies Lobby. He might have tried to hide some of the details, but CP9 was there as well and would have gladly corrected any report that didn't put Spandam in an even worse light
Or Oda just didn't overthink the whole thing like us fans do
Actually, Oda already answered that question with the cover stories, and it was exactly as you say. Spandam not only gave a "very personal" version of what happened in Enies Lobby, he tried to erase the CP9 agents to prevent them to tell the truth. Then, the CP9 had to run away, take other jobs to pay medical bills, hide and fight Marines who were deployed against them. But none can play with Lucci and friends. They hit back and got Spandam to not just forgive them but recruit them for the CP0.
Spandam is still the leader of CP0, so we can guess that Lucci and the rest finally hid the details about what really happened in Enies Lobby, and so, the higher ups still don't know what really happened.
This is not totally correct. Spandam is Lucci's subordinate, he used his father to get away from what happened in Enies Lobby and also get the chair for CP0 leader, but then his father lost influence and Spandam was demoted to a low soldier.
Oh, didn't know that. Thank you for the update! Now the question is: why do they keep freaking useless Spandam? Even as a low soldier. This is the real Nepo-Piece.
Yeah, this part makes no sense. One may say it's to humilliate him because now he's a underling of somebody he used to be a leader, but if this was the case then it would be way more humilliation to demote him from leader of CP0 to a lowest CP low class soldier. Or even no CP at all.
Actually, I think they should throw him from the top of the Red Line, but I guess the Celestial Dragons see so much of themselves in him, that they just cannot get rid of him. He is the stupid cousin of the family. They know he hasn't much to offer, but they get him a properly honorable job to have him happy.
I believe Lucci requested Spandam as his Aid so they can bully him as revenge for Enies Lobby.
Spandine, they got rid of granted he was working with Impel Down level 6 Criminals to destabilize the World Government. Lucci exposing him is what restored CP9 status as Government agents and bump them up to CP0.
im not remembering all the details but do we even know if he can do that. I thought we just assumed he could cause he's goated, but it was never stated
I mean... it could be that building Pluton requires Ancient Kingdom technology or, at least, the control of the Mother Flame as fuel, but everybody seems pretty confident that they can build Pluton from the blueprints. That's why they were so important in the Enies Lobbie arc, because having them meant you could build a counter-weapon if Pluton were ever rediscovered. Also, Franky states that burning the blueprints didn't matter because he had memorised them, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense for him to learn the blueprints of something he (or no-one, as he is one of the greatest ship-builders in the world) could build.
I don't remember if Franky actually said he could do it, but I don't think anything makes much sense if he couldn't.
thought him saying he memorized them was my imagination ngl
ye he can probably build them again
That’s the reason he had a 94 million bounty. Those aren’t new things.
Franky memorising the plans to pluton isn’t a threat?
Bounty is not only about strength
It also combines how much of a threat they are to the world government.
Even Sanji's increase to 330 wasn't about his strength but do to his family not being part of the World government anymore. Because Luffy's increases made sense he fought and "won" Katakuri, what did Sanji do? Even Nami made more in defending the ship while he was making the Cake.
The same goes for Usopp's 2nd increase was due to his family, more specifically his father's "influence" because it was before Luffy was a Yonkou, but the WG knew they were family.
Isn't luffy bounty raised because he messed with BM weddings iirc the bird i forget his name think that luffy implant the bomb in WCI arc.
Could be both! I mean the WG would be happy if someone damaged a Yonkou's property, right? But defeating a stronger person seems more of a treat
By percentage increase they got:
Zoro = 247% increase
Sanji = 213% increase
Jinbe = 151% increase
Robin = 608% increase
Franky = 319% increase
So in a way he actually got the second highest increase next to Robin
That's like saying Chopper got the best increase because his bounty went 1000%. It's not really fair when he still is too low.
And Luffy got a 100% increase which means Chopper is equal to 10 Nika's. These are simply facts, can't argue with the statistics
Now you know why taxes can't just be proportional to income, but have to scale exponentially
Chopper is known as a mascot, so his bounty is low, just like Bepo, who only has a bounty of 1,5 million (double that of Chopper).
ok ?
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Fair? Does it really matter what they are?
Everyone on that ship will be a legend by the end. Meaningless bounties aren't really that big of a deal. With any luck the organization setting the bounties won't exist by then anyway.
... It is the point the one I was responding to that is not fair not the bounties themselves : the proportionnal increase is not a good measure for anything.
Well, it seems according to that theory, that ships are more dangerous than pets.
And still, they want to have Pluton.
This legend right here just biked on Big Mom's face and lived to tell the tale. This feature alone should make him worth 1B!
My man speaking facts.
If the WG knew what the strawhats individually pulled off, they would have much higher bounties, but I really like the fact that the WG just does not know everything about them.
They are still confused on that whole sogeking thing.
It's not about the 1v1, it's about the level of threat they pose to the government after their captain became a yonko. Someone like Robin or Jinbe will be perceived naturally as more dangerous than Franky.
I don’t think it matters
Robin (should have been almost this at introduction) and Jinbe (Jimbe is jimbe) always had bounties that were too low, Sanji and Zoro proved they were genuinely 1st mate tier.
Franky's bounty should have jumped to be higher than sasaki, but not over 500mil, so I'd agree he was shortchanged by about a 100 mil
You can say all you want but the wg got mad bread
because strength and danger to the WG wise, Franky isn't all that. Robin can read poneglyphs, Zoro sanji and Jinbe are super strong and beat commanders or very high ranking members along with Jinbeis former warlord status(just look at Crocodiles bounty now)
They all got a x2-x3ish bonus bounty, even Franky.
The only exception here is robin, probably because they got another poniglyph and are closer to connecting the dots, which makes her more of a threat to the goverment since she can read it and expose what they are still trying to hide..
I mean, he quadrupelled his bounty..
Zoro and Sanji both took down commanders. Jinbe's bounty increase was likely in-part due to his joining the Straw Hats, not just due to the events of the raid, and Robin's bounty has been long supressed. Like, she had a bounty of 79 million when she was 8 years old, it only raised again at Enies Lobby, to 80 million, 20 years later, and that only rose to 130 million by dressrosa. The massive increase at Wano is likely them just dropping the facade and giving her the bounty they actually think she's worth.
Bounty increases after Wano:
1) Luffy 1.5b
2) Zoro 791m
3) Robin 790m
4) Sanji 702m
Number four again
Franky also low diffed his enemy the most in all of wano except for possibly Jinbe
Chopper but like for overall avhivemnts since start
They don’t see him as a threat in the same way the others are. There is no doubt about that Oda puts a lot of thoughts into these numbers, so it isn’t random.
He’s simply not as notorious as the others. The others are well known throughout the one piece verse, Franky is not. The only people who knew about him were cipher pol, and that was top secret.
Zoro and Sanji faced opponents of 1B+ especially Zoro who faced off against 2 Yonko. Jinbei was officially a subordinate of a Yonko before this and now is recognised as a main member of a Yonko crew so his bounty was raised to reflect this. Robin can read Poneglyphs and the Strawhats have 3 of the Road Poneglyphs, so the Strawhats are the closest people to getting the One Piece atm and she is the key. Franky on the other hand, only 1v1 Sasaki and while strong was nowhere near as Strong as King, Queen, and even probably Who's Who. His only real threat otherwise is the blueprints to Pluton, but they probably don't think about that now as he destroyed it, probably not considering he could memorise it.
Well, if you look at it in a different way, like how many times the original bounty multiplied, roughly they got the same magnitude/level of increase (quadruple-ish).
Spandam didn't do his job by not reporting that Franky knows about pluton. If not he would be the same bounty as Robin
WG does not see him as a threat. Bounties aren’t just about strength
Zoro, sanji and Jimbei make sense as the next most powerful members and Robin is still highly valuable or dangerous in the WG eyes.
Franky is a boat.
My headcanon is that CP0 were too busy playing go to pay much attention to the fights, they saw that Sanji and Zoro fought King and Queen and that Jimbei fought Whos Who so they sent that intel to the government, the final outcome of these fights is really impressive, and now Luffy is a yonko them defeating members of Kaido's crew is a really big deal. For Robin her bounty rose really high because she is the key to finding the one piece and exposing the true history, arguable she should have the highest bounty in the series.
But CP0 were too busy getting killed by Drake to notice how epic the Franky Shogun is, they didn't get to see such a flashy and super fight. Thus the intel that went back to the marines was "I guess this guy is a boat or something" and his bounty rise wasn't very high.
Franky defeated a former WG member, I wonder if them not wanting to highlight who he battled too heavily played a part in it as well
All the Strawhats got a base 300m raise after the events of Wano. (Except chopper, because they don't see him as a true crewmember)
Those that got higher were for further reasons that made them more dangerous to the world government.
Robin got access to another phoneglyph, making her knowledge that much more dangerous. She just has one more to go now before she potentially learns a secret that they desperately want hidden. It's not because she beat someone in a fight.
Jinbe became active as a pirate. He would likely have always had a huge bounty if he was running wild, but mostly he kept the peace. Now that he's running with Luffy tho his potential to stir up shit is much more acute. Luffy is a madman, Jinbe joining up with him is a change in behaviour which could cause massive damage.
Sanji and Zoro both took out 1b+ bounties, real heavy hitters, putting them in the same league as powerhouses like King, Marco, and Katakuri. So now their bounties reflect that. In this case their bounties directly reflect their physical dangerousness.
Any Luffy became a Yonku, awakened the Sun God fruit, and defeated the most powerful combatant in the world in a fight, as well as being the Captain of the crew, so he's bounty will always be higher.
So the arms of a new yonko, a former warlord who left an emperors allyship to directly join her replacement, and one of 2 people alive who can find laughtale.
And then theres the mechanic...
My head canon at the time was Vegapunk was evil and he wanted to capture Franky to use as an engineering slave to work on the government's ultimate super weapons.
I was wrong didn't know Oda would make Egghead the final Warlord arc.
Alternatively they saw Franky Shogun get killed in the fight with Ryuzaki and assumed his battle power has declined without it.
His was mostly in a mech suit that almost anyone else could hypothetically operate
Let's see.
You put up the top 3, so ofc they gain more since they are Yonko commanders
And the most dangerous women in the world because of her knowledge, especially on a Yonko crew with multiple Poneglyphs.
Nami got a 300k raise, like Franky
Usopp only got 200k
Chopper finally hit 4 digits lol
Brook also got a 300k raise
So yeah, this seems pretty normal and fair of a raise, literally the same as 2 others in the crew in a similar tier.
I believe it’s because Franky’s fight was isolated from most onlookers. It’s been a while, but wasn’t Sasaki lured outside alone and then he started the fight with Franky? Less people to talk about what they saw is less opportunity for the WG to learn some details. They can’t even get a good photo of Franky.
He’s lower notoriety for enemies and lower priority for the government. This won’t change until he stands out in some way AND people become aware of it.
They don't know he's likely the only one who knows/memorized the blueprints to Pluton and could recreate it. Plus he studied the notes of the smartest man in the world. If they knew that, easily 900 million.
logicial conclusion is if you're not a commander, you get a 300 mil increase. robin is the exception due to her being able to read poneglyphs.
We also have to think in the WG shoes, they didn't watch the fights.
What they do know is Luffy beat Kaido, Zoro and Sanji are right and left hand men to this guy.
Jimbei they know who he is and used to be a Warlord and then part of team BM but then defected AND survived!
Then Robin they just been chasing her since O'Hara and if she is helped down Kaido and company she is a bigger threat then they thought, knowledge wise and battle.
For Franky, they are still unsure about him, like what details did they get from the battle at Wano/Onigashima, the fight wasn't public, X Drake didn't witness all the fights so he couldn't report to them. He is still a mystery to the WG just like Chopper.
WG has very unreliable information, they think that Ussop is worth 500m
So Zoro and Sanji got big increases for defeating Kaido’s Lead Performers in one-on-one combat. Jimbei was given a big increase both as a sign of his joining the StrawHats but also because Who’s-Who was both the closest to usurping the Lead Performer seat from Jack but also a former CP9 agent and an escapee from Impel Down. Robin’s bounty has the major increase mostly due to Luffy’s new status as an Emperor. Since it’s an acknowledgment of how much closer the World Government feels he could be to claiming the One Piece, Robin is a massive part of that being one of the only people in modern times who can read the poneglyphs so her bounty got a increased disproportionately to her Battle prowess showcase in the Raid. If it had been just based on her beating Black Maria then I feel like her bounty would be much closer to Franky’s but because of the Threat the poneglyphs and the history of the Void Century have to the World Government Robin’s bounty gets a boost to try and temp people into taking her out.
easy
zoro and sanji both beat YC1 level foes, jinbae was a former warlord, and robin has been wanted since ager 4 or 5
franky's biggest feats are beating senor pink and accidentally blowing up a secret lab that was suppressed on the news?
come on, tell me you can't see the difference lmao
The way I see it, other than the top 4 and Chopper, the crew in general just received a 300 mil increase.
Usopp went from 200 mil to 500 mil Brook went from 83 mil to 383 mil Nami went from 66 mil to 366 mil And Franky you’ve already pointed out
It seems that the general consensus is that any Yonko officer has to have a minimum of 300 mil based solely off the fact that they are a core crew member.
Which is just salt on the wound for Chopper since he’s officially recognized as an officer of the SH but is still seen as the “pet” or “mascot”
I'm being so for real rn, Oda legit don't care about this man. It's not even hatred, it's just pure indifference. Franky single handedly took down a top officer of Kaido's crew, one of the only two to be a former pirate captain along with Who's Who but gets treated like garbage for it. Not to mention he openly attacked and challenged Big Mom in front of everyone but that also went unacknowledged.
Hell, just destroying the Pluton blueprints alone right in front of CP9 should have placed him at or above 100 mil from the start, that's not a minor offense by any means. That's still a huge fucking crime even if Franky himself wasn't a prominent threat to the WG in the same way Robin is.
Meanwhile Usopp rises to 500 mil for just being present at the raid? He shot a little dango and stole credit for some of Big Mom's destruction. Compare that to Franky, Nami, or Chopper and that hardly seems fair to put them all on the same level. Franky getting the same baseline increase as the lower half of the crew implies he contributed less than everyone above him when that's so objectively false it's insane.
Probably because Sasaki wasn't one of their strongest people in Kaidos crew, I mean he was Strong yes, but more like Mid tier compared to the likes of King, Queen, Jack, etc.
Check multipliers. Most of them are getting "small taps" of a x2-3.45. Robin gets a huge bump of x7, but Franky's is the second highest at x4.2
just to match the sanji/zoro bounty, he can't join and be the number 2 that easily
On a Doylist level; because Franky might have had the absolute and objectively worst actual fight in the entire series. Oda made it the equivalent of a kid smacking two plastic toys against one another without adding any depth, meaning, and tension to it all. Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded, and I think that Oda was at least a little bit aware of how he wrote this "fight", which is why he gave Franky a bounty that makes him fit right in with the other lesser impressive Strawhats whose writing and portrayal was similarly mediocre/underwhelming.
Bounty is not only about strength
It also combines how much of a threat they are to the world government.
Even Sanji's increase to 330 wasn't about his strength but do to his family not being part of the World government anymore. Because Luffy's increases made sense he fought and "won" Katakuri, what did Sanji do? Even Nami made more in defending the ship while he was making the Cake.
The same goes for Usopp's 2nd increase was due to his family, more specifically his father's "influence" because it was before Luffy was a Yonkou, but the WG knew they were family.
why was FRANKY the only one who didn't receive a good bounty raise
I was surprised Robin did reach 1 billion, She is as much of a treat as Luffy, even more if you think she knows how to read Poneglyphs.
But answering your question for the joke?! Like Oda did with Chopper he is doing with Franky too
WG still thinks he´s a boat now
My head canon theory is the WG saw that all the men were too amazed by Franky's bounty poster since he is a robot that they changed his picture to the ship instead.
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Someone needs to ask this in the next SBS. I think Oda might say yes even if it wasn't his original intention. Just retroactively throw it in