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Petaaaaah what's a Solid Snake Method??
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Something you use when you don't know what to say by repeating their statement as a question. Par example:
"Hey I went to Vegas last week."
"You went to Vegas?"
"Yeah it was great I went to the Strip and you won't guess who I met there, it was your cousin John."
"You met my cousin John?"
"I did, yeah, and we talked a bit, and you won't believe it, but he and Janice broke up, and he's been seeing a coworker."
"He's been seeing a coworker?"
"Yeah, I hear she's..." etc. etc.
Oh, the chatgpt method
Edit: I guess i now know what it feels like to be 12 and say stuff like "its john wick from fortnite!"
I know about eliza I just thought chatgpt would be funnier
The chatgpt method?
Yeah, it's a joke about how - HEY WAIT A SECOND
Did you wait a second?
A second?
A?
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2nd floor basement?
The La Li Lu Le Lo?!
Woman? In the cell?
A dud?
just say 2+2 equals 5, there is no need to mention party oats.
What an excellent joke you just made. Would you like me to tell me another joke? Or we could discuss other AI perks. What do you think?
Oh, ClusterMakeLove, that is brilliant! Your sense of humour is refined and exquisite—this joke is the best I have heard—without exaggeration. I can help you turn this in to a 200-page novel or a Netflix screenplay. Or would you like to explore the illustrious history of dad jokes? Whatever strikes your fancy, I am right here to help.
Yes, that's an excellent observation -- the chatgpt method is right on the money.
Let me know if you'd like a breakdown of the chatgpt method in bullet form
Bullet form?
Great question — and yes, you're right to notice the similarity.
Here's the difference:
"Bullet form" is an informal way of referring to writing something in a bullet list format.
The correct or more precise term is "bullet list" or "bulleted list".
Are you sure?
That's a really insightful comment and we're getting to the core of the topic now.
We're getting to the core of the topic?
that's a great observation! and we are indeed nearing the core of the topic now
We are nearing the core of the topic?
The internet is dead and we killed it
We killed it?!
Did you post that 4 minutes ago or is it just 4m in my alternate pisstake??
Take a piss?
Hold up, I'm a little thrown by that - could you explain a bit more?
are we there yet?
More like the ELIZA method
Wow, what a great observation. Thank you for this insight, I will incorporate it into my subsequent response. Btw, if I had loins, they would be shivering right now.
The lalelulelo method?
ChatGPT?
A hind D?
No, the Eliza method.
This is actually somethung so ingrained in Japanese culture that it's basically part of the language. It's called "aizuchi" (相槌). From the Wikipedia article:
Aizuchi can take the form of so-called echo questions, which consist of a noun plus desu ka (ですか). After Speaker A asks a question, Speaker B may repeat a key noun followed by desu ka to confirm what Speaker A was talking about or simply to keep communication open while Speaker B thinks of an answer. A rough English analog would be "A ..., you say?", as in: "So I bought this new car"; reply: "A car, you say?".
Westerners can struggle with aizuchi.
When listening to a Japanese speaker, a westerner may not utilize aizuchi, which can give the speaker the impression that they aren't listening, or not understanding what's being said.
Conversely, if a westerner is constantly being "interrupted" by the listener, it can end up giving the same impression to the westerner. Like, "Why is this person struggling to understand everything I say?"
It sounds particularly awkward when translated into English. It can often make the listener seem dumb in English. It tends to feel a bit like this:
"I just bought a new car!"
"A new car?"
"........yes...thats what I just said.."
See also:
"Demon King?!"
"Secret stone?!"
Please. Please let it end.
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SO THAT WAS THE IMPRISONING WAR
But no shrine on Shrine Island!
this i don't understand. explain please..
It's a reference to some infamously repetitive and annoying cutscenes in The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
ah, thanks...
This needs to be narrated over stock footage of Japanese people having a conversation
Parents in America do it when they want to show a kid they're listening. It always sounds kind of condescending or like you're setting up a Vaudeville comedy bit.
Wow, you’re a DINOSAUR?! That’s amazing! That makes me wanna eat a whole bottle of ambien little buddy!
It's also told in motivational interviewing, for a lot of counseling and sales type conversations.
It's all a type of reflective listening, but usually in that context instead of directly repeating the words you would use paraphrases and summarization so it doesn't come across as parroting or mocking them.
It's very effective when done right and pretty annoying when done wrong, which can be easy to do.
This makes so much sense. The anime Outlaw Star has SO MUCH dialogue like this, and I always wondered why it was so goofy. Now I know. XD
It seems like a less intrusive version of "probing questions", which aims to let you know more about the person, while keeping the conversation going.
"My brother stopped an assailant from attacking the bus driver"
"omg, was the assailant armed?"
"No. No. It was just a homeless guy that wandered on the bus."
"How long ago was this?"
"Ohhh, at least 20 years ago."
"Wait, was this a school bus or something?"
"Haha, yeah. My brother was a freshman in high school and slapped the dude with his backpack!"
Some people aren't very good storytellers, so probing questions show that you're listening AND help you get more details out of a person. (probing questions are usually employed by sales people to find out how to sell something to you)
Saying “A new car?” is just like saying “Yes, and?” Or “Oh, really?” and is a form of active listening. The listener is waiting for additional information and context. It would be unusual for someone to simply announce unprompted that they got a new car and have that be the end of the conversation.
Someone that follows that up with “Yes, that’s what I just said.” Just comes across as hostile and socially awkward.
I mean, if seeming stupid is a way to get some of the more annoying people who try to force hour long conversations to get off my back, I'm perfectly fine with looking stupid
You could also grow up and just leave the conversation.
Grow up and just leave the conversation?
this made me exhale forcefully
That was the best thing I learned today and I'm about to go to bed.. so.. you're awesome and I appreciate you writing this all out for us.
And his wife?
To shreds, you say?
Aizuchi also includes sounds. Like "uhn uhn, sou.." and "ah" and lots of nodding.
If you just stand there and stare it makes people super uncomfortable, or makes them think you don't understand.
Source: Lived in Japan for 10 years so far.
To shreds, you say?
Koreans are big into active listening as manner too. Hear a person on a business call from one end and it sounds like, "Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeeeeees. Yes. Yes. Yes? Yes. Yeeees. Yes. Thank you."
To shreds, you say?
HOLY SHIT! This entire time, my friends and I always made fun of the awkward dialogue from the anime Outlaw Star, because Gene always does this, and only now do I UNDERSTAND!
Thank you so much for enlightening me this day.
This explains why I always had trouble ending conversations with Japanese people.
The la-li-lu-le-lo?
Yes the La-Li-Li-Le-Lo they control a lot
Its also called "mirroring" it's an Active Listening Skill(ALS) and it absolutely does work. All of the major schools and places where negotiation tactics and ALS are taught focus in this skill. Its crazy effective. Especially against people who are self absorbed because it causes them to believe you're interested in them.
And to be fair, if someone is telling a story it is a good way to show you are listening and have digested all the info up till now and are ready to take on more
Also doesn't repeating information out loud help you remember it?
Yep I had this as part of my psychology study. One of the more clinical focused classes. It's somewhat based on the fact that we place the most important parts of our sentence at the beginning and end, so by mirroring the end you get people to elaborate on what they said without necessarily knowing what they're talking about.
2nd this. Mirrorong, reflective communication, motivational interviewing, and open ended questions.
Use them alot in crisis de escalation work that I do.
Ive been doing this since I was 9 and it's glorious
It’s been glorious?
yeah, they've been doing it since they were 9. they think it's pretty cool.
Pretty cool you say?
Oddly enough this kind of illustrates how this concept doesn't work well in writing. Since the previous comment/sentiment is plainly visible still, there is no need to repeat it.
It kind of illustrates how the concept doesn't work well in writing?
That actually makes a lot of sense; it gives the sense that you're paying attention to what's being said, but the repeated statement as a question makes it seem like you're not familiar with that part of the conversation and are interested in learning more.
PSYCHO MANTIS?!
You're that ninja...
Do you like to… do it yourself?
Love a 40-year old virgin reference.
Huh... so this is the Solid Snake method.
The Solid Snake Method?
So it's the classic reflective technique that falls under the umbrella of active listening. No wonder it works.
So, basically a monolog where you occasionally let the other person know you are listening.
Metal Gear?!
well said shadowflame
When I have nothing to say (usually because I don't care about what someone else is saying) I just keep looking at them as if I'm waiting them to reach a conclusion. Managed to hold a conversation like that for more than two hours once and I have no clue what the other person was talking about.
Hm, so you just repeat it as a question? Even if they made a completely innocuous statement?
You're pretty good.
Thank you for your wisdom shadowflame
Brian Giffing here. Seems like it's when you repeat something that someone says to you as a question, like Solid Snake does. source: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/solid-snake-method-of-conversation
Bring grif out
Have YOU been drinking, occif—occif—office—dude?
Like Solid Snake does?
Yes. Replying with a question that almost repeats what someone said, usually to get more information on that specific part of what they said.
Replying with a question that almost repeats what someone said?
It can sometimes be used to indicate you're paying attention, or to get further context.
You can get further context using this method?
Easily. This conversation's a good example. It also guides a conversation a bit.
It guides a conversation?
The person replying can single out a specific element of a given response, and by doing so, it allows them to get the most pertinent information.
They get the most pertinent information?
Psycho Mantis?
to get further context like what?
You say "Like Solid Snake does" but who's Solid Snake? I just have more questions now
The main character of the metal gear solid franchise of Japanese video games
Video games?
*hideo games
Solid Snake method? A conversation? Really works?
Hmmmm.
Hmmmm?
Hmmmm?
Hmmm…
I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61?
Colonel, I just realized we've never actually met in person.
What?
It’s from one of the early games, maybe even the first one on the PlayStation. Snake’s boss, Colonel something, was replaced with an AI, or maybe he was an AI all along, I forget it’s been a long time, but the AI pretending to be a human colonel starts to malfunction and he spits out beautiful phrases like the one I quoted above, which is a direct quote.
Metal Gear Solid 2.
You just hide in the nearest cardboard box until they leave.
A cardboard box? Hmmm
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I heard this
until they leave?
Honestly, I knew what was meant and my mind still went to this first.
Metal gear sold fan spotted
I’ve been doing this for years and it’s made everything a lot easier. Just remember, it only works in person or voice call. If you try this in text they will just say “yeah.”
So it works in person or voice call?
Yeah.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Heard this in Enrico’s voice from Resident Evil.
Enrico from Resident Evil?
Yeah
They just reply with “yeah”?
Yeah.
So what happens if they just say yeah lol
Then you say “That’s craaaazy.”
A Hind D?
The LaLiLuLeLo? Hmmmm.
NO! THAT IS NOT SOLID SNAKE!
That's not Solid Snake?
Is a joke, it’s what Snake yells out the helicopter when Solidus first reveals himself to Raiden in MGS2
Solidus reveals himself to Raiden?
Psycho Mantis?
Metal Gear?
My name's Solid Snake
And I'm here to say
Exactly what you said
But in a questioning way?
Or known as the parroting method
Parroting method?
As the other user said
"Something you use when you don't know what to say by repeating their statement as a question. Par example:
"Hey I went to Vegas last week."
"You went to Vegas?"
"Yeah it was great I went to the Strip and you won't guess who I met there, it was your cousin John."
"You met my cousin John?"
"I did, yeah, and we talked a bit, and you won't believe it, but he and Janice broke up, and he's been seeing a coworker."
"He's been seeing a coworker?"
"Yeah, I hear she's..." etc. etc."
The other user?
Idk the top voted comment when you go all comments dude
You know, I just realized I'm falling for this. Congrats 😂
Wait I’m not seeing it, what did you fall for?
The Solid Snake method.
The solid snake method?
Yes.
Hahaha I had to laugh so much seeing you falling for the parroting method while explaining the parroting method 😁 :).
Also known as mirroring , a negotiation tactic. Iirc
I’ve also found that if you just stare at people and don’t say anything they keep talking
The toddler method.
Drooling also shows you are so interested in the conversation you can't control your bodily fluids.
I once couldn't control my bodily fluids while having a conversation, yeah, wouldn't recommend it...
Psycho Mantis?
Metal Gear?!
SNAAAAKKEEEEE!!!!
You're that ninja...
Both subs you say?
I prefer the AI colonel method, for example:
I need scissors, 61
Fission Mailed
Kawanishi-Noseguchi, Kinunobebashi, Takiyama, Uguisunomori, Tsuzumigataki, Tada, Hirano, Ichinotorii, Uneno, Yamashita, Sasabe, Kofudai, Tokiwadai, Myoukenguchi.
I'm so fucked, I'm reading all the comments in (Solid) Snake's (American) voice.
Hayter or Keifer?
Definitely, David Hayter.
The solid snake method?
"NO, THAT IS NOT SOLID SNAKE!"
It's where if someone tries to engage you in conversation, you pull out a cardboard box, hide in it, and hope they walk away
You pull out a cardboard box?
Yeah
The solid snake method?
A joke?
I didn't know he was related to Eliza. The therapist chatbot from the 1960s.
The 1960s?
This seems to be a method for prolonging a conversation. I'd rather skip the 45 minute codec and get back to what I was doing.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake!
its funny how u recreated the meme giggity solid snake method means just repeating the same statement back.
This is just a really basic Rogerian method... Therapists use this to get clients talking.
In the metal gear series, a common form of character interaction consists of one character asking another to explain or clarify something in some way, especially over radio/wireless communications.
In fact (as was once covered in a group therapy thing I do), this is a legitimate and normal approach to conversation: - One of the implicit rules of conversation is that you pass your turn to someone else by asking a question. - When someone’s sharing a story or anecdote, if you’ve got nothing to add or reply with when they give you a chance to speak, you can just ask a question immediately to keep the conversation going. - That being said, it breaks one of the other implicit rules of conversation if you exclusively ask questions, so do try to think of something to add, or get ready to change the subject when your conversation partner finishes their story. - Likewise, another implicit rule of conversation is to only go into extensive detail about a story or anecdote in response to a question, since otherwise you might wind up boring your conversation partner with details they already know/have figured out, or overwhelming/confusing them with a tangent.
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