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Learn C, C++ and Reverse Engineer the MS Office setup to understand MS Office🥀
Microsoft's own engineers can't understand Microsoft Office well enough to make a web version that renders documents and spreadsheets identically to the desktop versions. What hope do I have, as an individual without access to the source code?
I mean, JavaScript does not even run in exactly the same way in all browsers, so I don't think that's entirely fair
If you unzip your Word file and look at its XMLs content, you'll understand that it's likely not JS fault
LibreOffice is open-source
My parents legitimately think this makes them "good with computers".
And, yes, they have asked me to fix their printer.
If they have any awareness and conception of the file system, they ARE good with computers. You should see mine, bless them both.
Printers are… difficult for everybody.
Define "any".
My mom doesn't know where files go when you download or install programs. Despite the existence of folders called Downloads and Programs.
If anyone over the age of 60 conceptualizes their filesystem as a tree structure, color me impressed.
To be fair, Apple has engaged in a deliberate campaign of obfuscation over the last decade. They don’t want you to know whether or not a file is on your iPad, they want you to pay for more iCloud storage. They don’t even want you to have an awareness of the filesystem.
Dumbed down and looked up computers a.k.a. smartphones had of course also influence on the younger generation, it's not only the 60+.
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
as a younger person myself, absolutely. there's quite the divide between those in gen z who grew up using pcs and those who grew up using ipads and we experience it firsthand lol
Know a kid who has opinions like "Mice are outdated" and they say that the computers are scary in the computer lab... The computers in the lab run Windows 11 instead of ChromeOS, or say that large desktop PC's are outdated and believe that the main components of computers are "Hinge, touchscreen, keyboard, trackpad, and battery"
Gave up on them.
To be fair,... I downloaded npm for a fullstack class and didnt know where it went. I spent hours trying to uninstall, find hidden files, dependencies,... I had to give up and start over on a different machine. I obviously did not become a full stack engineer😅
I got printing to work on Linux. Can I put that on my CV?
I don’t know… can you?
(…tries reinstalling pdflatex…😭)
Worked first try for me, must just be lucky as hell.
When my computer can successfully connect to my printer, then I'll believe robots can take over the world.
I used Mac for a long time, and so does my wife, and I mentioned Finder in some conversation about my Mac and she said “oh yeah, I’ve used that a couple times.” Blew me away she had barely even touched the file explorer for her computer. But hey, that’s what works for her computer needs.
As you can imagine, she keeps a lot on her desktop lmao
Saw that Mac is just the "I'm scared of tech and rich" operating system. Does this appear to be true in the majority of cases?
A person who's reasonably proficient with MS Office is unironically better with computers than 90% of people.
Well yeah, they’re good with computers, not printers
Are your parents every HR department I’ve ever met in an interview?
“So how good with computers are you?”
*proceeds to tell them the languages I know*
“Nice to know you know all those languages, but how are you at microsoft office for stuff like excel formulas or word documents”
Nowadays it might seem silly, but long long long time ago, that was kinda true.
Well, yesterday I've made the double-entry personal accounting system just in one excel sheet. And I'm not a master at all. I wander what master can do.
There is Excel World Championship, there are videos on YouTube. I didn't watch, my psyche is not that strong
I have written a couple of extensions for 365 products (spoiler: it's just TypeScript)
Wait what now I'm intrigued, do they use JavaScript or even React for 365?
React mostly, at least that's what I used, but they have their own bindings
Omg React is everywhere now
Install Linux and try libreoffice. Thank me later.
Well, as far as I understand, Excel's formulas alone (even without VB) should give a Turing-complete language, as there are standard funcitons like IF(). It should be possible to write something like "life" cellular automata in it :)
IF is not enough. You need loops or recursion, without getting too technical.
Excel is very much Turing-complete, even without any VBA (and now Python), add-ins, or the new LAMBDA expression in the formula language.
You start by downloading and using open source alternatives.
Actually, how I got into programming.
Had a course offered getting out of Marines, knew it was Microsoft related. Figured it was learning excel and word well enough to make money doing it. Figured it'd be something to do while going to college. Turned out to be learning C# and SqlServer.
Maybe they thought programming is the ability to use computer programs, not the ability to create them.
What year is that post from? 1995?
Even the power query in excel has lots of coding components
I actually had some excel and vba lessons during my computer programming undergraduate curriculum
They said Excel
MS Office is bloated and outdated. You should choose a modern open source solution like LibreOffice. I use Arch btw.
I prefer performing my compute activities on Linux Mint, but I hold a high respect to Arch and have installed it before.
Reminds me of a time when I saw a job posting looking specifically for an "Excel developer".
Obviously there are macros etc. but come on, that isn't a developer.
You never saw VBA, which is included in Word, Excel, Access, it's programming language, a subset of visual basic with lots of ActiveX components that you can use.
You can develop spreadsheets for teams and departments to use, thats a job that exists, no need to get offended or sth because the title contains "developer"
I hope he means the script in excel. That might make it better.
They're talking about VBA, right? Right?
Yes, and next week we’ll cover low-level Word macros and Excel game dev 😎
That's how I started at my first job and switched to software development.
20 years later and I still love my job.
I can’t imagine doing only VBA for 20+ years D:
My first assumption.