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I love my sales people. They keep me employed.
Someone has to explain the value to everyone.
And it aint gonna be me.
And this would be presented as a motorboat which needs just a little more time to install the motor
And capable of transatlantic crossing.
Devs can't sell, Sales can.
And sales can't dev. We need each other
We just don’t need a sales team, that has 0 idea what the product is…
And if the product is specific enough, you only need a dev posting sth on reddit and the people, who could use it, know about it…
Sales can’t sell either. They’re constantly over promising and making customers angry
Sales does god's work selling the slop the devs call a "ga product", and then go the extra mile with workarounds and custom solutions to satisfy the customers who are complaining when the slop isn't working and the devs cannot be bothered to fix it.
It feels like with a gun to a head dev can do sales, but not the opposite. Or maybe with Cursor you can.
But why? Can't you just put your software to an app store?
Have you done that? How much did you earn without any marketing or sales efforts? How long can a business go without revenue?
I think a good product doesn't need any marketing, visibility in Google search should be enough. But from my experience, what I used to really miss is someone to do customer support, bc I absolutely hate any contact with customers.
i think a good product doesn't need any marketing
Delusional lmao
Why didn't you answer any of his question then?
All these "I think", "from my experience" are some nice meaningless comments
Any product needs marketing. Visibility in Google Search is also a marketing effort.
Ah yes, let me put up an enterprise database server on the fucking app store
I loved this meme. Have an upvote.
I think it'd probably be best to have a chat with a sales person you work with and understand what the day in the life is. I'm not sure I could stand doing their work tbh. Cold calling, big quotas, and the worst part to me: work that you can't "solve". We have the luxury of facing solvable and definable problems. In sales, a buyer can just be like "nah I'm going with another vendor bye" and you can't stop it. I would absolutely hate the stress from that.
Yeah, original intent was less about how hard the work is and more about who brags about the product features. Who demands the attention.
Oh oops I misunderstood. Ya they can really be our biggest cheerleaders!
Sales always sailing smoothly, while developers are just trying to keep up!
Sales are like the one thing devs really need tbh
A developer who can’t sell their own product is afraid of failure. The best sales people are deeply technical and connected to the product.
We don’t actually need someone flailing their arms out in front. Devs just need to get used to people saying “no”.
"coding in the public sector"
A company of 10 devs is worthless, they can have the best skills in the world but they won't be able to find people willing to pay for it.
A company of 10 sales doesn't need a product, they can simply sell things around for a commission. These guy will slowly but surely hire the devs above to build a better product they can sell for better margin.
That is sadly too true
10 devs can't sell their product so the company would vanish after a year and the only thing that fails to deliver is maybe 2 months of salaries. They could try again with a better attempt.
10 sales would sell thin air and after a year they would have their asses dragged to court for fraud. The company would need to pay back clients and pay fines. And no one would ever want to do anything with fraudsters.
I’ve never seen a truer statement, the other rowers are customer care , marketing , manufacturing, and logistics
I don't understand, why they have him? If anything he is generating an additional drag and weight - which I don't think amounts to much, but still team can do better without him.
Someone has to farm the aura and rep the team!
yeah, pretty much correct. I am also sales lol 🤣
One day, developers will rise up and take their rightful place!
Looking that much cooler, no wonder they make more money
The jokes is devs do all the work. It’s funny because it’s true. See that’s why most companies are made of 100% devs. All you need is devs.
Nah, that’s not really my point. There are two other ways to look at it.
One layer is that sales takes credit for it and makes it look simpler than it is. Aura farming.
The second layer is that their work looks hard and the sales job looks easy. The reality is they’re both specialized and complex, especially in B2B.
There wouldn't be a product to sell without devs, and devs can't sell a product, so they need sales.
Impressive. Very nice. Let's compare salaries.
Where I work sales have a higher salary floor compared to devs (about 1.5 to 1.7)
tragic to see that such skilled people have to live on $1.5 an hour
Just 1500 monthly as base?
I meant 1.5-1.7x sorry
Don’t underestimate sales. I once worked for a company with a really shitty product for process automation and the company was expanding. It’s easy to sell good products. But try to sell a company a pain-in-the-ass-product. Those people were really valuable
I'm well aware that even the best product is worthless without good sales, but Im questioning the overvaluation (and salaries) of their practice.
The best that sales people do is selling themselves. Never forget that.
Salaries or Total Comp?
Because as a lowly Kubernetes consultant, my base salary is higher than many of my sales colleagues.
Their TC is of course much higher, due to commission.
I firmly believe that the commission part of the TC is a rigged system. That's what drives sales to just do everything to get the signature so they cash a bonus. Thats not always in favor of the company but more just in the salesperson favor.
For instance: selling any stuff to the customer and the RnD then can work hard to deliver whatever BS was promised.
There should be more game to prevent such things.
Fair, I guess that depends on your employer.
Yes and no. It depends on the whole industry if these paying schemes will be the norm forever or if there are other incentives. Like for example, sales employees will only get bonuses after a positive evaluation period of the customer after delivery. And only if the investment of the company for this customer is within limits.
Else, the scheme continues and sales will never contribute to a positive long term effect.
100%. We need sales. We all have a part to play.
there are SW companies where there are no sales people. some engineers are capable of putting on a button down shirt and smile and talk to client.
Yeah they're both needed but sales has this talent for selling stuff that literally doesn't exist yet and then wondering why dev looks stressed all the time