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fuck you doing with your packages that it makes it take 1 hour to update?
Annual update to Ubuntu Studio compiled from source.
Apt taking 1h? Wtf? 3k packages took me like 2min…
They are probably using some app that uses electron and dont use the bin but compile it from scratch which requires chromium to be compiled from scratch. That easily takes an hour. It is also very stupid, but hey, sometimes the package requirements be this way.
Apt doesn't build.
iirc apt can build stuff from source (no sane person uses that)
Through the pre-install script? Technically you can do anything with that.
I try to avoid apt in general lol. It’s good for system packages, but in my experience, with non-system stuff it’s usually just better to install with brew or even build from source
Go build chrome or Firefox and let us know how the experience was.
Lol I am definitely not building those.
I just mean for regular stuff, I try to use apt as a last resort. Like I’d use flatpak or brew first.
You’re laughing now but in 5 months when the build is finished who will be laughing then? /s
I once tried to test a newly released kernel
4 hours of compiling later I changed my mind, as I wanted to use PC for something else
The chrome that Jack built
The meme specifically names apt and apt does not build anything.
It doesnt? My bad.
As others pointed out, apt doesn't build, and every Electron app under the sun is distributed with the whole package, so chromium, node and the app all in one package. There are some, like the discord_electron (I think it's called) package in the AUR, but that also uses system electron which is also a pre-built package... Except you use Electron also from the AUR, ig.
Lol, on what kind of hardware do you build chromium in one hour?
Chromium only takes an hour to build these days?
No. This was an exaggerated comment to make a point.
My longest updates are maybe 5 minutes and that's just when there's an initramfs update and also my laptop is particularly slow. 1 hour is nuts-- even my Windows updates don't generally take an hour so idk what is going on with the OP.
Init frames takes some time on my system… and some latex lib updates take also long, as it will automatically rebuild my templates… but I haven’t considered post update stuff, as this is on the user -> had once templates taking 20min to build, just to then crash the build due to a mistake i made xD
OP is a Windows shill. This post would be tagged PEASANTRY if it were in r/LinuxMasterRace.
They think that obviously, since Windows updates are slow and obtrusive, clearly Linux updates must be the same way, because they know nothing at all about Linux and have never used it.
on a nugget I've seen Windows updates take an hour easily
Unless you have a dial up level internet. For me it failed most of the time as it was so low that it thought the internet disconnected.
With decent internet it did a whole distribution upgrade in half an hour.
But if your internet connection is that slow, you don't need to just watch it for an hour. You let it run in the background and keep right on going with things.
Try installing 3k packages on an old raspberry pi. Yeah, an hour might not be enough. Excluding download speeds it's generally pretty decent on modern hardware.
But then again, try installing 3k packages on Alpine and be absolutely blown away by how fast it is. It will probably finish twice before debian is done downloading.
And it’s installing, not just upgrading…
alpine probably doesn’t even have upgrade, as you just reinstall on every upgrade… xD
Do people actually use alpine outside of cloud or the pinephone?
My favorite outside of making container images is making custom appliances.
Basically a small purpose built system that does one thing and one thing only. Alpine is nice for this because it can run entirely from ram, and with LBU you only store the modified configuration files making the setup very portable and reproducible. When the system boots, it loads the base image, loads the LBU archive, and installs all listed packages from a local package cache (again, apk can install all needed packages faster than it would take systemd to even start on debian LOL). All of that is in ram, so if anything breaks, a reboot will always bring it up to a clean state. You can version your LBU backups so moving back in time is as easy as renaming a file and rebooting. You could make a custom image with something like buildroot but that's overkill for a one-off thing.
Also why would you watch it. Just do your work while the update happens in the background. This meme is d*mb.
If you don’t know how to switch tty…
Why would you switch tty dude. Just open a terminal app or OS's software centre for update and then do your work while its updating.
Full system update, 200 packages, compiling few from source and full system backup takes like 3 minutes
Apt is actually very dependent on your drive speed under small random read/writes
that still wouldnt take an hour as long as your drive was produced within the last like 20 years and you arent trying to install half the debian repo
Can't confirm, Debian took crazy amounts of time for me many many times. Rebuilding some docker images is one of the scariest things I can think of.
Noob talking about apt upgrade and wrote apt update. -1 nerd cred. apt update just pulling fresh package index.
And even then, 2m is kinda long for updates
Fair, update is 30sec, that’s only, if one of the repos times out… upgrade can take over a min…
Maybe they review all the code changes in the updates.
Maybe he's updating Ubuntu 12 to 22? That would be like an hour.
Upgrading Ubuntu Karmic to Debian Jessie took me more than an hour, but that's because it was a diagonal upgrade. Changing distributions is, admittedly, not part of the intended use-case.
Everything and nothing is intended, all at the same time, feel the power young wizard
Yeah. It worked, didn't it?
The only time installation took an absurd amount of time was cow and latex
Ever used latex on windows? During installation i decided to eat lunch, got back, had a meeting, decided to use my private device for the documentation, installed debian in a vm and got latex to work, then a lib was bugged on the windows install and i had to manually patch that shit…
mot distros dont ask to be updated
unless your internet connection consists of a guy shouting 1s and 0s at your pc, no reasonable install will take an hour to update
you dont have to watch it. You can minimize the window and dont even have to reboot afterwards (unless its a kernel update)
- The reboot is recommended, not forced
Have you even had an issue with kernal hot swapping? Imho, it is only recommended if thijgs aren't working quote right as a first step that fixes things 99% of the time.
The only reason to do a full shit down is cleaning the dust out of the air filters every year or two.
A few times in the past I've had some weird driver related bugs after updating. Nowadays I just run updates once a week and shutdown that night.
Is kernel hot swapping not a popular feature? It's been mature for nearly 10 years and I personally never experienced problems 15 years ago with it.
Never once has a Linux update added spyware to my system disguised as ✨ AI features ✨
After MSFT started vibes coding windows I switched full time. Duck em.
But OneDrive and copilot and everything else wasn't helping 😡
The combination of how atrocious windows updates are, combined with the steam deck showing how viable Linux gaming is, was enough to push me to Fedora full time
I had lots of issues with windows, I still have issues with Linux ( entire computer starts running at 1 frame per 30 seconds, sometimes needs a restart sometimes it just fixes itself, and also occasionally goes into fallback mode ) but other than those issues it’s actually been fun configuring my Linux Mint Cinnamon setup lol, and also fixing the small things like figuring out why I could only launch steam with the terminal ( wasn’t on Nvidia provided drivers )
What game is running that poorly? Check protondb and see if there's suggestions. The vast VAST majority of games run beautifully in Wine/Proton, but in some cases there's a particular Wine version that works best; for example, Telltale's "Poker Night at the Inventory" is set to launch in Proton 5.0 rather than a newer one.
[laughs in Canonical]
Don’t worry, I'll fix that
So far
That you know about
And not once has any Linux update been forced upon me. Windows has, even after switching updates off, and just shutting my machine down normally (no 'update and shut down' options).
It's my machine, let me install what I want when I want
Soon, a new feature, the boring old clock, will be replaced with a neural network trained to tell the time. Woooooowwww
At least on linux, I get to decide when the update begins.
I can also choose where to update from, so I will not get stuck for hours on a single 999 MiB package of who-knows-what.
1h? What have you done with your system for it to take 1h to update?
They are still using a dial-up connection with 56kbps
There are download speeds you know
But that’s not Linux issue, and this meme suggests otherwise
Yeah its not really a linux specific issue. Also windows updates took way longer to download imo, at least because they dont have a progression bar
If you pick a bad mirror for some reason, I could see it being slow
again that a unlikely issue
True, I can pretty much guarantee that it's just an exaggeration for comedic effect.
Gentoo aliased to use apt
Rebuilding my kernel ?
Windows Update: Let me shut down and restart over and over, completely bricking your PC for an unspecified amount of time. Afterward, there's a ~20% chance that something will be broken or changed for the worse
Ubuntu update: Let me run in the background for a little bit, while you keep doing what you're doing. (And IME, I've never had a breaking change except when changing LTS versions)
Shit Zorin OS just won't even tell me. There was one time I forgot to update anything for about 6 weeks and between nala (apt), snap, flatpak, and homebrew for linux, it only took about 15 minutes to update.
Funny, My Windows updates always happen in the background. And only install when I shut down my computer at night then it's all good to go the next day. I feel like people complaining are allergic to windows 11 and run XP out of pride. Oh and it never broke once either.
It amazes me how the operating system debacle is the console war of PC. Use what you like. Live and let live, but stop spreading misinformation lol. Multiple restarts was not a thing after 7. it was very frequent on XP. Windows 11 never does that, nor does it forces you to do anything, or "brick" your system for an unknown amount of time. It will install updates when you WANT it to, and most of the time, you will select "Install and shut down" and just be done with your day anyways.
I use Windows 11 all day, everyday and weirdly I am not inundated with ads, my machine is extremely stable and I never turn it off, I don't interact with any AI features and I generally have zero complaints. I didn't like the new taskbar changes so I downloaded a mod that took 30 seconds and now it's back to Windows 10 taskbar.
There are a lot of people that pride themselves in troubleshooting their favorite OS quirks, but you can take 2 seconds editing a registry key to make your bar Left, yet it's been one major outcry for not liking the entire OS....
HKCU:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced
Create DWORD TaskbarAl and set to 0 for Left, 1 for centered.
You don't even have to restart anything. I am convinced most things are either edge cases or parroting hate.
I also don't interact with AI features on windows. But google will not let you disable AI overview on the billion searches people do unless you give them the -ai argument (or an extension that just hides the dang div), which I am sure still does it but does not show it to you. But scream privacy issues for windows where the feature is either opt-in, or easy to disable.
When you WANT it to, or when the shutdown dialog forcibly insists that you apply the updates. That's still a thing.
You must be mistaken with your work's computer GPO and IT rules. That's not the case on a home install. IT can push updates and force you to restart within a time period. That's not on Windows, that's on your shitty IT crew for pushing forced restarts during work hours.
Windows 11, when using it as a private user, very much can and does force your next shutdown or reboot to install an update. It doesn't do it always but occasionally it does.
For the shut down, the "Shut down and update" and "Restart and update" are added options. The regular shut down is still available to use without having windows apply the updates.
I believe what the other commented on was the pop-up that forces you to restart the computer within (default 4 hours?) a period of time to apply updates, or snooze it. Which is a GPO/Enterprise thing.
For the shut down, the "Shut down and update" and "Restart and update" are added options. The regular shut down is still available to use without having windows apply the updates.
This is not always true. Sometimes you only have the options that include updating the system available.
I believe what the other commented on was the pop-up that forces you to restart the computer within (default 4 hours?) a period of time to apply updates, or snooze it.
Reading this part of their comment, I don't think so:
or when the shutdown dialog forcibly insists that you apply the updates.
They have specified it was the case in their other comment. Also the keyword in their response was "shutdown dialog". enterprises GPO is the only times a shutdown dialog would occur.
As for the option, it was never removed for me. I have used it sometimes. might be very specific cases then that it wouldn't be possible.
Maybe, I don't know. All I know is that nobody in my household uses Windows at home, because why would we? So the only experience any of us have with Windows is at work.
So who knows, maybe it's not quite as bad if you configure it perfectly. But here's the thing. Linux is at least that good, *regardless of how you configure it*. You can keep a Linux system up-to-date without rebooting or interfering with the workflow. At best, you might be able to claim that Windows isn't quite as far behind as I've made out.
I can guarantee you that updates are very much done behind the scenes. There is no windows update that will ever tell you to restart UNLESS you manually install an obscure driver manually from their own source. Those installers often tell you to restart, but most of them don't even require it, it's a catch all.
Out of the box, windows will not force any restart on you ever. You can configure when you want it to handle updates, if ever, and tell it when to apply, if ever.
Can you refuse the updates, or are they forcibly applied when you shut down? I notice you don't mention anything about that.
You can completely disable windows update via registry yes. Not from the ui. The ui will let you pause updates. I have never refused a windows update because they usually come with vulnerability fixes. So I cannot tell you if you can actively refuse an update flagged for install once started.feom quick googling, I have found that you can run few commands to remove pending updates. So yes, just not via a click or 2.
Fine, you can win some useless internet points on account of the fact that I can't verify this, which I can't do on account of not having ANY desire to have a home Windows machine. Consider yourself correct on all points, pat yourself on the back, congrats. None of this is true for a corporate machine but you're CLEARLY entirely justified in everything you say, since home Windows must be infinitely better than corporate Windows.
Wait, you guys are shutting down your computers!?
/s ...but not really (aside from my work laptop, which I only shut down when I'm on my way out the door --and have no time for M$'s update BS)
I always shut it down. Tomorrow is a new day, a clean slate. I like to start it up with a clean boot. The only times I kept it on was when downloading gigabytes of stuff took days. If I go away, I shut it down.
It's also something that I love with my work computer, because it pushes me to end on a point where I am done with things, and I can just close and forget until tomorrow. New day, new boot.
I reboot my computer when there's a power failure.
It sits inside my bedroom and has a bright ass LED which blinks when it's sleeping
didnt linux use to have to restart frequently some years ago
No ? Maybe some specific distribution but in general you only need to restart for kernel security fixes and/or bug fixes you depends upon.
You do need to restart some services that where updated but that's nowhere near a full reboot.
Don't know but restarting everything that was updated is good practice
Don't think so, maybe a very specific distro, but with Linux you don't really need to restart unless you change the kernel or kernel modules.
Depends on the distro. Some of the more user friendly ones will require a restart for anything. I don't think arch ever asks for a restart.
arch doesn't ask for a restart but the documentation explicitly tells you that in case the case of patching the kernel a reboot is the most secure option
The amount of times ab update created the problem that my pc was then shutting down for literal HOURS bc something broke is insane. It happened like 5 times in 2 years…
You can even skip notifications entirely and update the kernel without noticing, let alone interupting your workflow because that was figured out 15 years ago.
Debian Stable: <Blessed Silence>
I've never had windows brick or break a peripheral, and if it's rebooting multiple times that's probably because you've deferred multiple updates.
tl;dr, sounds like you have trouble maintaining a personal computer.
I've had both brick and wipe out stuff even, casuals !!! :D
frfr. if you're going to have a bad time you might as well hope for an awful time.
occasional trauma tends to teach stronger lessons than frequent minor annoyances.
edit: swype sucks.
I have. I update regularly and upkeep my computer fine. Just because it hasent been YOUR problem doesn't mean it isint other people's problem.
I’ve had it break things too, but sfc /scannow surprisingly did the trick. The other time I had windows issues turned out to be a hardware issue with my laptop which they replaced under warranty.
sounds like you have trouble maintaining a personal computer.
Yeah, I don't remember ever having issues with windows update since I got my first PC with Win95. On the other hand, several attempts to use linux outside a VM ended up with the system refusing to boot after upgrading.
yep!
such fun times messing with lilo and grub!
look, I'm proficient to expert across mac, windows, Linux... and I'm calling you out on your BS if you try to tell me windows isn't a better user experience than Linux for the average PC user.
You ask it to shut down after the update and it always restarts. Every single fucking time.
dude is updating with a 56k modem
im the one who wants to update
just like the bikini vs panties thing, the difference is consent. you decide when you want the update to run, while on windows it can just decide for you its gonna update and fuck over the end of the shift bcs you have to wait for it to restart because the "update and shut down" doesnt work, and sometimes it just bends you over and fucks you midday
I like to imagine this meme was made by a mac user that has used neither.
The Mac update process is much easier. It just takes you to the store and has you buy a new computer.
No, the difference is that a Windows update takes an hour, prevents you from doing anything else and requires several reboots.
A Linux update takes at most a few minutes, happens in the background, allows you to keep working and only requires a reboot if you've updated something fundamental, like a kernel. In other words, rarely.
Linux updates are completely painless. Windows updates are a complete pain in the ass.
Beside of a fast reboot, an update never blocked me from doing what I want to do on my computers.
A "Working on updates ..... x % completed .... Don't turn off your computer" screen blocking you from doing anything with your computer for many minutes is the real Windows experience
Firefox updates sometimes require firefox to restart before you can open a new tab. Takes roughly 1.5 seconds BUT it technically blocks me.
And you have to wait an extra 3 seconds to be sure that Firefox actually closed otherwise it'll open up with FiREFoX is aLreADY rUNNiNG, But IS nOT ResPoNdiNg. THe OLd FiREfox PRocESs mUST bE closED tO OPen a NEw WInDOW..
watch apt update for 1 hour
Wait, what? Whatever you're doing, you're not doing it right.
Linux: I want to update
Windows: I’m GOING to update.
An hour!? What kind of slow ass computer you got, from the 90s?
One does it to keep with new standards and hardware/fix bugs, the other to enshityfy and steal more of my data, those are not the same picture.
Waiter! My meme is stale!
I thought ai is the reason ppl use win 11 but it seems it's the other way around
Tell me you never used linux without telling me you never used linux
But watching apt update is fun. Watching Windows update just sucks. It boot cycles for an hour, locks up your machine and just to tell you that the update failed due to some obscure error, for which the only search result is in an esoteric forum post from ten years ago.
That remains unsolved of course.
Linux: "Hey, I have some updates to install when you're ready. Here's a list: It's all the latest security/bugfix releases of the versions you use."
WIndows: "I installed updates for you. It's a bunch of stuff, I dunno, go look it up. Yeah, I rebooted, why? Oh, you were working on something? I don't care."
Yeah, I rebooted, why? Oh, you were working on something? I don't care
never happened for me with winxp, 7,8,10,11.
10 minutes maximum and it can replace anything even the kernel when you’re using it, the next reboot won’t take 15 more minutes to apply the updates
And no one ask if the penguin still doing well after a huge update…
I use arch btw
You updating over dialup
The difference is: it updates mostly in the background, and the restart to introduce changes takes the same time as a normal one
lol. "oh the update broke everything."
Windows - "oh fuck MS get your shit together!"
Linux - "Ah must have been something I did wrong with my package manager..."
The secret ingredient is consent, which Microsoft understands only in terms of [ Yes ] [ Later ]
In 6 years of using fedora, every single update has made something better. Not once has an update slowed my machine down. Not once has an update "rearranged' something I'd set up exactly how I wanted.
this meme was brought to you by microsoft
It's all about consent and trust.
open discover click update all
Even including the download and restart it's maybe 5 mins tops
(on windows) set metered connection and update manually
It really do be like that.
Recently I started my laptop wich has ubuntu on it (don't hate me for using ubuntu) and it asked if I wanted to update some stuff. And I clicked "yes" without even thinking about it.
But I only use that machine for web stuff and firefox can restore the last session.
On my main windows pc I always have about 20 things open some of them don't like saving and loading later (only save data, you have to set certain things up by hand again) so I don't like rebooting that. But I recently took that machine completely offline, so no more updates needed ...
Open terminal
Run update
Go do stuff while it updates in the background
Watch? Why?
Update is fast, upgrade takes a while
Imagine working for a software company where all of your users distrust you and hate your software so much that they go to extraordinary lengths to resist installing updates because experience has shown that things can always get worse.
Ok zypper it's ok if you are only done updating by tomorrow
at least i have the choice to udate or not
Apt: I want to update nvidia drivers
Me: sure I got 10 minutes before my presentation, what could go wrong
What internet connection takes so long? I literally downloaded 10k package updates with apt over a 0.2 MBit/s DSL connection over WiFi. At home I sometimes update pacman and steam in parallel with file sizes up to 100 GB and it doesn't take over 1h (250 MBit/s vDSL)
1h? Is it on 10Mbps network, 1 update per year?
Did you ever update a Solaris installation after couple of years of uptime on not the freshest hardware?
When you "yay x-git" instead of "yay x-bin"
In what situation would apt take an hour?
REAL PENGUINERS USE PACMAN
Thing is: I get to pick WHEN to update, and can keep using my PC while it's in the background
The secret is concent
If windows had a cool terminal readout I'd let it update whenever it wanted.
pacman -Syyu btw
Windows is more like "I Update... NOW"
Stfu Bill
at least with linux updates happen in the background
something something i might be in a glass house
Wrong windows takes one hour, and two seconds on linux
First one is forced on you and you don't have a choice of what or when. Second one is done by choice.
its forced after you ignored it for a considerably timeframe.
For the NORMAL enduser. Windows allows more then enough flexibility of when to do the update.
Like windows has many problems, but "it forces updates" is a bad complaint because security updates ARE good to force on users in general, and it only forces it once the user postponed it for a considerable time
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