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AI Code Editor now appear more than javascript framework. wkwkwk
More and more I think vibe coding is a gold rush with no gold. Anthropic is selling the shovels.
Nvidia is selling the shovels, it's not clear if model providers even make money from this right now.
Could be.
What is Anthropic selling that’s remotely shovel-like?
Dreams
Js libraries -> frameworks -> browsers -> ide extensions -> IDEs themselves
I wonder what will be the next evolution. The OS itself lol
I saw some Chinese guys already released ai-first os. https://github.com/MemTensor/MemOS
//Actually not an os as guy below correctly noted, i originally just skimmed through the article i saw it in
this is a misnomer- it's not an operating system, it's barely a library. all it does is manage memory for multiple models. not at all an operating system.
Ah, so it's closer to a hypervisor. Should have called it MemHypervisor or MemVMM /S
Sigh
Warmwind -> Space. Is this a fart joke?
The team looks like they enjoy smelling their own, so, possibly.
I am hoping for the time when AI can be the customer too 🫠
I love that the video they have for customer service (though it is pretty cool that it navigates around and finds the order and what not) the actual response is effectively "fuck off, read your fucking email" LOL
Well, you could argue that Windows is moving in that direction.
Seems like most internet products will end up to be either
* Wrapper around Chromium browser
* Wrapper around ChatGPT (or insert your fav model)
soon well need an AI to help us choose which AI coding tool to use
Soon we will have to get AI to spin up a new AI coding tool to use every single time we code.
I mean most AI already does model routing which is exactly this.
Create your own AI framework that only another AI tool can understand. Checkmate
Now including 5000+ Security holes per update!
My favorite
Claude code > cursor (I’m just discovering)
Until next week I guess 🤷
What's happening next week?
Who knows?
Seems like their service shits the bed every other week so this is very accurate
So expensive though
Canva?
Yes, they filled their platform too
I will use an AI tool the day one is created with the AI itself
Most of them probably were
I don't believe any of the well made popular AI tools where wibe coded
Are they well made?
I've tried a little bit of inteliJ built in ai tool, in terms of well built yeah it's pretty good in terms of the AI, AI still sucks
You are about 2 years too late.
It's easier to make a tool to vibe code with than actually vibe code.
Who’s the guy
Andrej Kaparthy
Let's Terminator him
Some folks will work so hard just to avoid having to learn how to code.. just stop, this isn't how future application development will even work.
I love how management just assumes any LLMs can make sense of the hundreds of big fat code files that make up our project.
AI and vibe coding are devaluing programming/coding/software development to the point where it's becoming worthless. It was bad enough when javascript was made the default language for everything everywhere
You are right. It made young no-name Artists worthless and now it has moved on to programmers. Even if doesnt work, its still puts a lot of pressure to compete with other programmers or with programmers who supposedly are fast
To be honest, it looks more like programmers will Still be necessary, the focus will be on following and reviewing agent output, and then fine tuning. AI is no where near good enough to replace programmers wholesale, but it’s definitely good enough to make us work better and faster (in my experience). It might happen one day, but not in the immediate future in my opinion.
After this current hype phase is over I think people will calm down and realise we still need programmers. But programmers will definitely need to adapt.
Study found that using AI is more time consuming that writing code. Dev lost time using it. https://www.infoworld.com/article/4020931/ai-coding-tools-can-slow-down-seasoned-developers-by-19.html
I have to wonder if the issue is that people aren’t necessarily proficient in the best ways to use it.
It’s also worth noting that AI, if used properly, can actually improve your code even if you don’t want to use it just for outputting. My company paid for some training on appsec and basically the whole thing was massive prompts to give AI for tons of checks for security and code smells.
The issue for me was that I'm dealing with unique things, often not documented on the internet. Any AI tool would lead me into a made up deadend. You can just put "dxbc utof instruction" in google to see how full of shit the AI overview can be by comparing it with with the first result on learn.microsoft.com
edit: Also to add that ChatGPT was completely out of it's depth when it came to renderdoc's python scripting. But I blame the python programmer's urge to create breaking changes in every other version and keep outdated docs online.
Right but this is where actually knowing what you're doing comes in.
I mean I certainly didn't argue that you should rely on AI 100% to do everything for you, obviously you get fucked results. I'm not quite sure how you got from my comment that people should just ask AI whatever and assume it's always right.
I'm arguing for being proficient in the best ways to use AI, and asking it stuff and just throwing in the result without understanding what you are even doing is not the best way to use AI. You should treat it more like a way to get suggestions for how to do things, and if those suggestions aren't good you can throw them out.
I think you're right in that using AI as suggestions on how to approach the problem can help and make problem solving faster. The issue is in fact the user misusing the tools.
I think a lot of juniors and devs entering the field are getting boned by relying on AI. I was reviewing a PR made by a new hire and he had trouble explaining most of the changes made. Not sure how it'll go in a 5 or 10 years.
It does make sense that AI generated code will take longer to review. It likely won’t save time there, when the stakes are high, but it definitely does save a lot of time if you are prototyping projects or features. AI is at its worst when working in broad strokes, but when used precisely it’s very powerful.
I’m aware that my own experience isn’t statistical, but the combination of my current knowledge + AI has allowed me to absolutely pump out prototyped features. That’s been invaluable for me in my company, things that took days now takes hours. Fact is, plenty of developers are using AI now, that’s likely to only grow. The worst thing about AI is that it encourages the user not to think, which is probably a big reason why it takes longer to review it all.
Totally separately, but AI has also been incredibly powerful as a learning tool, which in turn will increase productivity as that aspect of AI is better harnessed.
Vibe coders, you brought this to yourselves... Software Engineering society won't defend you this time.
I've been using Claude sonnet 4 for about 2 weeks with the GitHub copilot agent mode, it's really damn good actually. It makes a mistake sometimes but it saves me so much time on tedious crap and looking up what a random error is about. It's not like you take the code it makes and vibe merge it to master.
Maybe you don’t..
Let them play by themselves, they finally left our sandbox
Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
That's not how this meme format works? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say
Let's make management tool for all of those tools.
If I need AI, I just open the chatbot built in to Webstorm. Idk why we need 3000 of the same solution to the same problem. I don't even have inline completions enabled, the AI is too stupid and will replace correct variable names with hallucinations.
Has anyone tried Dienda yet?
Cursor and Claude code are a bit different though, Claude code has wider system access and cursor is kind of focused on a specific codebase and obv has vs code niceties
Our company is pushing everyone to use github co pilot. We are not officially allowed to use intellij. I am using sts tell me how co pilot is going to be useful to me.
Also just want to know if anyone used co pilot before or already using it, how good is it
I had a meeting about AI in coding and a few minutes were spent saying, "please don't vibe code. We're a tool to assist you, not replace you." apparently the negative feedback has been getting through and some are changing their marketing.
VCs are notorious for hoping on trains to nowhere, just gotta wait it out
I have never once used an AI tool of any kind, and I recently got a significant bonus for being the most productive dev in my entire department. You can just ignore these things, it is within your power.
And to be clear, I spent 4 hours yesterday while I was meant to be working from home making barbeque sauce from scratch, so it isn't because I'm overworking myself
Bb
You can stop this nonsense any time you want.
Literally makes everything take longer.
This era of developers who can't debug, profile, nor optimise is frightening me. We were already in here but it can only get very worse very fast.
Soon you'll only be able to open one application at a time, one website at a time, unless you have 64 GB RAM and a NASA-level CPU.
Just keep adding new AI tools until one of them works 🤷♂️
This is Junie erasure
Unless I'm missing something, claude code is the only one that integrates nicely into my current workflow, without the need to change IDE or repo, or anything like that. So the choice is obvious.
opencode is also terminal based
Nice, I'll check it out. Thanks!
also aider
The obvious choice being to not use any of them, right?
But why not? It can write boring stuff, docs, and translation strings, if nothing else. I'm not relying on it when modifying anything actually important, but it's a nice tool to have none the less.
It’s just tools mate, you don’t actually have to use them
Sir, a second new vibe coding tool has just hit the Internet today.
you mean second-thousandth
i can't speak engrish
two-thousandth
second today
but its 00:01 AM
Yeah you're right, probably the 4th by then
bro opened vscode and came back with 14 startups and 2 VC offers.
Im just going to pull 5 numbers out my ass and value my startups by that intelligence.
Ass Intelligence
sounds like https://xkcd.com/927/
We should put it head to head with “0 days since last javascript framework”