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Prodigal Dev: Ha! Implemented that feature in 12 minutes! Just gonna push this PR….
<< waits six weeks for PR approval >>
"Lgtm"
Said the senior engineer after barely glancing it through
You must study the ways of the gentle ping.
tell me
"Hey, sorry to bother, but can you take a quick look at this commit? It's blocking such-and-such. Thanks!"
Then, if that doesn't work, stop by their desk and same.
Then, the next day, gentle email repeating the same.
Then, the next day, gently reply to it and CC their manager (which makes you gentle enemies).
Then, the next day, repeat, CC your own manager.
Then, the next day, your manager CCs their grandboss.
Then, the next day, you gently slap them with a Power Glove and challenge them to a duel.
"choose your weapon"
"golfing in x86 asm"
Also your code is shit with a lot of errors.
And no tests.
Oh yes, the weaponization of PRs. A classic hallmark of an unironically toxic work environment.
PRs can be used to deliberately stall your work and/or to wear you down by excessive nit-picking about things like variable names (their always either too terse or verbose) or the use of ternary operators over if-else statements.
I once worked at a company where the team members flat out refused to review my PRs. I asked the SM/PO to intervene to no avail. I figured "oh well, I tried" and ended up changing the repo PR policy and merging anyway.
So, said junior worked some time at a big company, then worked for two years in a start up and after all that he is still a junior? Something is wrong there.
Maybe he only has 8 years of experience so far. According to many job postings that's what you need for a jr position.
Experienced/senior dev is the new junior dev.
Seems to be the standard for the market nowadays.
Hire a mid level dev to a Junior position, give him the same responsibility as a mid level dev, and pay him a junior wage.
Brother it was the standard 20 years ago, Fake it til you make it.
Well, at least 4yoe are required for a Junior position nowadays, so...
No no, you see, "Jr Dev" is his name
The meme doesn't say he is a Jr Dev now.
Well it doesn't say he isn't
Ok he isn't. But again he can be too..
What even is life?
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Entropy actually
(watch Veritasium video)
Switching roles while doing the same job
Yes it does. It says that a Jr Dev is rejoining the company. That means that at the moment they rejoin the company, they are a Jr Dev.
It does not state what they were 2 years ago.
I need to find a template to add back stories and to add life details for all memes?
Nah just accept the inevitability of pedantic, overly critical reddit comments.
Do we have an option?
It was inevitable
Yes it refers to him in the current tense as Jr Dev
I'm under 5yoe, officially led a team at my first company, unofficially leading a team now, still not officially senior
Well, the issue here is still being a junior with 2+ years of experience. In my opinion 5 years isn't really enough to be a senior in general (however there are exceptions). Also, leading a team is about being a team lead, not a senior developer - quite a different range of skills is required for both.
Well they picked me for lead because of my reviewing skills, my custom tooling, my work ethic, and my skill at mentoring, so I'd say those are all relevant to seniors. To be clear i wasn't a manager, more like spearheading projects and directing my team to get those things done effectively while keeping them in line with standards (many of which I helped create).
But yes I see what you mean.
Also ironically two of the people under me had been seniors in their previous role, at least in name - but they certainly didn't act like senior devs.
I worked for 4 years starting as a trainee, had 3 raises, and still was a junior.
Yeah, I can see how such a thing might happen, I can even see how a person can truly stay a junior with a couple of years of experience. And that's a situation where something went really wrong.
Like, if you task a person with simple, homogenous tasks without much room for thought or improvement for years on end - the person won't really develop as a specialist. However that means the management isn't interested in growing its own staff which is an extremely odd situation for a business.
I've heard such stories for governmental jobs where people would come, do some abhorrent shit for years, and come out gaining basically nothing as specialists. Scary stuff if you ask me.
Do the opposite. Work at a big company to learn how to do things the right way then move to a small company and be amazing.
Edit: Currently working with some start up people and they're driving me crazy. When something breaks they push a "fix" and move on without verifying the root cause and testing their "fix". It never solves the actual problem and creates more bugs.
I find that big doesn't equal right, just with enough juice to keep it running long.
I've seen some atrocious shit that don't make sense if care for the craft is taken into account.
I did this, learned the more safe approach in more experienced teams and then moved to a more startup type environment. There's more room to touch everything when no one else knows how that works, and also a lot of room for bringing better practices to the 'move fast and break things' type startup devs.
Still, different teams have different needs, and the more corporate approach isn't necessarily right for smaller teams that need to be able to move faster with less bureaucracy. I'm kind of liking having this experience on different ends of the spectrum.
My first ever job was at a startup and I hundred percent agree with you. I wish I could have worked at big company but the only opportunities I have gotten were at startups in my area.
The code I written at my old job would make me cringe but I was not really taught good coding standards and small startups often don't have a mentor to walk through your code and show you better ways to code.
Also not all startups have strong VC backing so you might get paid lower than market rate. First coding job I made was around $45k and that sucked
Just one week ago I saw on this very sub a post pointing out a trivial logic error in an Amazon page, I refuse to believe everything is "done right" there
That's a great approach, except in many smaller companies and start-ups things move a lot faster, and small number of staff are typically responsible for a lot more varied tasks. To do things right, document and test and validate things properly generally takes more time and even some specialised tools, which small companies might not have or value as much.
Accurate af.
Went from doing Go + K8s work at a big company to literally everything under the sun. Went from fixing bugs with the ribbons on streaming apps to building an entire remote desktop protocol from scratch that could deliver 4k HEVC in under 20ms, rivaling Moonlight and Parsec. Had to figure out so god damn much.
Now Im back to doing Go + K8s. While I love it, I miss all the crazy shit I was building before.
I am/was a JOAT pretty much my entire career and now I do consulting. I get to see some crazy shit. I have a municipal government client who has a guy for everything. I first met the network admin whole was also pulling double duty as the phone admin and he made it sound like that was a crazy job. I asked him about some issues I was having with the inbox that was issued to me, and he said I needed to go talk to the Exchange guy. The fucking Exchange guy? Like you have a whole ass dude just for Exchange? That's all he does? Yup.
The worst thing I could've ever done was then look up these guys' salaries on Transparent California.
FML
What's the rdp tool you developed?
The project died sadly. IDK what happened. Was working remote and our boss ghosted all of us. I still have all the code backed up just in case. The RDP part that I built worked, and still works PERFECTLY.
That sounds super interesting. If I may, when was this and do you have any clue on if you’ll ever do something with it?
I definitely want to do something with it someday. At the very least I am using it as reference code for my other projects. Im quite proud of it.
Maybe me and a coworker on it might bring it back to life someday. . . IDK.
Yo what is your line of work? I'm in uni right now and want to go into lower level stuff using c and go instead of web dev.
Yo what is your line of work
So I started out of college (4 year degree in CS) with a Java job, and on my own time I learned Vulkan (my reddit username an obvious reference to it), and Golang. Golang got me a job at a big software company doing Go+K8s. Still while working there I finished a basic Vulkan renderer in C/C++. That got me a job at this startup.
I'm in uni right now and want to go into lower level stuff using c
Lower Level stuff is fun. Very fun. C is beautifully simple. There are tons of companies you can find that need this type of work, but most of them expect Computer or Electrical Engineers, not Computer Science. Since most of the work you are doing is interfacing with hardware, and requires more knowledge of electronics and signal processing, also starting out the pay is pretty shit. Lots of companies need micro controllers to control their hardware, and they can be hit or miss as a company. I have one friend who got a job doing this work for a top 100 company to work for, and was still treated a bit badly in terms of pay, it took them a bit to give him what he is worth. Another friend got a job at another similar company, and hated it, they treated him like shit, he left to first friends company and is much happier. So keep that in mind.
and go instead of web dev
Golang IMO is not low level. Its high level (its just void of OOP). Go is also growing stupid fast IMO, with pretty solid pay. This is the career path I recommend to you. Learn Go and some Containerization Tech (Docker, Podman, K8s), and you will be on a good start to get a job working in the backend server world. This is all assuming AI doesnt take over (i dont think it will, but learn how to use it as a tool to enhance your skills/productivity, and don't let it use you).
Thank you very much for the answer, I appreciate it. I think I'm gonna take a play from your book and learn Go with K8s, but eventually I want to go more into the embedded systems world.
Good luck! If you want a fun project idea to start you out, I recommend building a 4x4x4 LED cube! Highly interactive (can write your own animations for it!), gets you some experience with soldiering, and work with a microcontroller of your choice! You dont have to follow the instructables, do things differently, use a rpi zero or go LOW LEVEL with a MSP430!
I just learned that a instructables site exists. Thank you very much for the help and recommendation! I'll probably get an rpi zero to get started. Thank you for teaching me!
Also, sorry to take more of your time but, do you know if there is somewhere similar to the odin project or ossu to follow a learning path to embedded systems? Or lower-level-ish software projects?
Twice the pride, double the PR comments.
I’d quite to hear from people who have done the start up to big company journey.
I’m 1.5 years in and I’m the tech lead at my startup with a fractional CTO. I do infrastructure, backend, front end and everything. The fractional CTO gives me weekly architecture guidance and some code reviews in there - but I’m generally the one code reviewing and mentoring the new junior too.
I’d find it bizarre not being the ‘everything’ man and honestly love the challenge.
That’s me. It fucking sucks. Everything is slow, the software is shitty and the blind are leading the sighted and I want to pull my hair out. Actually the backend is good it’s just the frontend is a fucking dumpster fire like I can’t even believe. I’m reinterviewing with startups.
Also I see why so many people are struggling to find jobs now. They don’t actually know how to do anything.
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Meh. I worked at two start-ups. One where I built everything. And I had no one with more knowledge or experience guiding or teaching me. I made good stuff and bad stuff, but didn't know the difference till later.
Worked at another startup where the only more experienced devs didn't care at all about teaching, and "good practices" just meant whatever they already did and preferred. Managers weren't engineers so they didn't know better. I learned little to nothing.
Now I'm at a big corp with much more advanced teammates. I hate it in some ways, but DAMN I am learning a lot more than I ever did at startups.
He was junior for first week, but started doing DevOps, frontend, backend, market researches, meetings with customers, cloud migrations and developing inhouse database solution from 2nd week
I'm working in a startup and definitely you learn A LOT more than everywhere else
Over 2 years experience and still a junior bro? What are you doing?
2YOE is basically required for an internship now
I'm currently asking myself that. Let me check LinkedIn again
Classic capitalism. Companies have found ways to ask for more and pay people less. What a surprise haha
Oh crap, he's going to murder all the new hires we've hired since he left.
Senior Vibe Engineer
its almost like getting experience makes you better at doing your job.
And his hairline has halved
Hello HR, I’m in this comment and don’t like it :(
Hello, I’m currently away visiting Coldplay concert with CEO. I will look into this once I’m back. Have a good day! Thanks
coldplay lol
He become bald
Such is the power of the dark side.
No seriously, all sith are balding.
There’s a true cost for obtaining such vast amount of power. Saitama knows this well.
I hired a junior with a full head of hair and I swear within a year and a half he was bald on top with some weird wispy little hair floating around on top of his head lol. This guy was like 22.
Good thing I’m already bald! 😎