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Shazvox
:cs::js::ts:

Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience...

1 day ago
call-now

Feels like that line of thinking got the world into the mess it's in today. Idiots should be mocked and ridiculed.

1 day ago
ApprehensiveTry5660

I’ve increasingly subscribed to similar feelings.

1 day ago
Fun_Pen_4254

A good laugh is a great first step to defusing the absurdity.

1 day ago
Brambletail

Defusing is the opposite of what i need. I need an intercontinental ballistic missile with a fact based warhead.

1 day ago
Onaterdem

Growing up, we were taught that facts, objective truths, altruism and goodness would always triumph.

Which is a big part of what makes the current state of affairs so... insufferable

1 day ago
ApprehensiveTry5660

It’s largely the same generation of people that are responsible for both those lessons being passed on and the state of affairs.

1 day ago
SpezIsAWackyWalnut

Yeah, you're not going to solve problems with the same kind of thinking that created them in the first place. The old wisdom won't save us.

21 hours ago
sabotsalvageur
:rust:

Let the idiots build their vibe-coded SaaS. Let them court venture capital, and let them drown in spaghetti at launch. Let them fail to deliver on their promises to investors, and let them suffer the consequences of their hubris

1 day ago
Valthek

The problem here is survivorship bias. A million venture capitalists giving money to a million idiots with vibe-coded startups will eventually stumble upon a functional SaaS. And then every asshole will point to VibeSaaS as an example of vibe-coding being successful, don't worry about the 999.999 other failed startups, this one made a gazillion dollars.

1 day ago
Baumpaladin

I feel like that is the service industry as a whole. And unfortunately, there always seem to be enough morons to pay for the subpar service. Like, you need to be godly levels of retarded to run something like Netflix or Spotify to the ground.

1 day ago
fredkreuger

Hey, they're working on it as we speak!

1 day ago
Baumpaladin

Hey, at least Spotify is trying real hard to crack down on xManager and Revanced again. Ever since they introduced Smart Shuffle, that you still can't deactivate on mobile – At least I never could – I have only felt more justified to not support them. A platform so hostile towards their customers and musicians isn't worth supporting. I am more in favour of platforms like Bandcamp and Quobuz where you will actually own the music, even if it's way more expensive, at least you can get lossless copies there as well. The only problem is, a majority of the artists don't even have a place where you can buy a copy of their music.

1 day ago
thedugong

That's what I feel (and I mean feel, it literally is the vibe rather than based on any statistics or study) that prompting AI to write code is basically breeding code.

We are literally going to become code farmers.

21 hours ago
Valthek

"I have a purebred grok, but unfortunately, due to heavy inbreeding, it's got a bunch of defects. I gotta take it to the vet every few months to prevent it from developing mecha-hitler syndrome."

Remember, kids, adopt your LLMs, don't shop.

15 hours ago
JickleBadickle

Shame used to be an effective means to enforce social norms, but now that idiots can become shameless by selecting their own community of idiots, it doesn't really work anymore

1 day ago
Infinite_Club_4237

Not only select their community but elect fellow idiots into the highest positions in the country in order to prove there's nothing wrong with being shameless idiots.

1 day ago
JickleBadickle

To your point, a leader that can free them of shame is vital for them, though they will never admit it

This is what they mean when they say Taco "tells it like it is"

They know the educated world is leaving them behind and this is a source of insecurity for them

1 day ago
confused_smut_author

but obvious bait should be ignored

1 day ago
anotheridiot-
:g::c::py::bash::js:

Poe's law make it hard to see which is which.

1 day ago
Asquirrelinspace

Anybody have that comic with the exaggerated strawman wearing the stupid hat and stupid shirt, then a person actually wearing the stupid hat and stupid shirt shows up?

1 day ago
Roku-Hanmar
:py:

You can’t shame the shameless

1 day ago
Havhestur

We already seem to have the first AI president.

1 day ago
djinn6
:py::cp::js:

With LLMs it'll be easier to do that, just reply with "@grok why is this guy wrong?"

1 day ago
SuperFLEB

...and just stop when you get to the hamfisted tonal shift into racism nobody asked about.

1 day ago
Desperate-Tomatillo7

And they look like a senior with 15+ years of experience.

1 day ago
Devatator_
:cs:

Haven't heard that one in a while

1 day ago
Shazvox
:cs::js::ts:

Old but gold

1 day ago
Would_Bang________

Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

1 day ago
okram2k

it's like playing chess with a pigeon. You'll make a good move, the pigeon will then jump onto the board, knock over all the pieces, shit, and then strut around acting like it won.

22 hours ago
Tackgnol

It's pure vitriol, has never made anything, has never practiced anything, revels in thought that the hours other people spent practicing a craft may be obsolete.

Sad person to be ignored.

1 day ago
nekomata_58

im more surprised at the $145k salary for a junior dev.

1 day ago
FIREstopdropandsave

Dhh is the creator of ruby on rails, here he's hiring a fully remote Jr position for his company 37Signals. The salary is in the top percentages for SF pay band for that LOE because he wants to attract the best.

1 day ago
UnofficialMipha

Must be San Fran

1 day ago
RadicalDwntwnUrbnite

Yea 145k/y is living in your car on the office campus standard of living in SF. 

1 day ago
IllVagrant

That means it's definitely a SF based job.

1 day ago
monoflorist

37Signals is famously a remote-only company, since long before COVID. This job isn’t based anywhere in particular. 145 does seem high for a junior eng, but should give him access to the top talent.

1 day ago
scumah
:js:

Nope, remote worldwide

1 day ago
Glittering-Giraffe58

Me when I have no idea what I’m talking about

1 day ago
The_Quintessence

Simply untrue, clearly not someone who lives in the bay area

1 day ago
Vibes_And_Smiles

No it’s not

1 day ago
I_JuanTM
:js::p::cs::j::py:

Yeah more like 45k...

1 day ago
Odd-Negotiation-371

This was standard 5 years ago💔

1 day ago
D0MiN0H

maybe in San Fran but certainly not florida, the best junior role around these parts was 90k 5 years ago.

1 day ago
Suitable-Economy-346

You get the benefit of living in a swamp land with weird old religious freaks tho.

1 day ago
D0MiN0H

ah yes, such lovely….benefits….

1 day ago
neustrashimy

i wonder what else was happening 5 years ago

1 day ago
DranoTheCat

The most open, best-kept secret management sincerely wishes you'd know:

No engineer is hired for their ability or skill or proficiency in a tool or language or whatever.

They are hired to solve problems.

If you want to be a good engineer, learn how to achieve outcomes by solving problems. Everything else is irrelevant.

1 day ago
PM-ME-HAPPY-TURTLES

this becomes apparent to most jr engineers the moment they sit at their new desk, expecting to dive into a codebase or CAD model or material sheet or test standards and instead see that their boss forwarded them a 3 month old, 15 reply deep email chain to their company inbox three days before they started from some contractor or employee from another department about some random shit they never touched in school and was never listed on the job description with the subject line "FWD: start on this" and no body text

1 day ago
LikelyDumpingCloseby

Did someone hurt you?

1 day ago
Major_Fudgemuffin

Software development for a corporation, if I had to guess.

Source: sobs

1 day ago
elderron_spice

Lmao, that was me, only that the ticket was a months long correspondence from salesforce between managers of clients, third party software vendors, and us. I didn't even have half the access needed to successfully resolve the problem since I was just one week into the job.

1 day ago
PM-ME-HAPPY-TURTLES

god, if you're hearing me, bless me with the half access this guy had

23 hours ago
YourDirtyToiletSlave

That's oddly specific

1 day ago
EdjeMonkeys
:ts:

I can’t wait to have a job like that tbh I revel in those challenges. I just hope they’ll still exist in a year or two when I graduate…

1 day ago
lacb1
:cs::js::msl: no syntax just vibes

Good news! That's more or less all of them. Except instead of an email it's a Jira ticket. I'll be your team lead and I've got 8 minutes until my next meeting so we can go over it now but basically I'll shoot a list of links to the relevant parts of our wiki. If something is missing just take a look at the git blame for these files (links here) and reach out to the devs who are in the history. I've got another 15mins between meetings in 2 hours so I'll touch base then and see how you're getting on. Bob is the senior on the team so if I'm busy he'll be your most senior dev resource but Tina will be your mentor so most questions should go to her first. If she can't help escalate to Bob and if he can't help then call me. Oh, unless it's process related then Dave is the scrum master so he'll be your point of call. Unless of course it's a technical process in which case Jasmine is our architect so it'll be between me and her to hash out so send us both a meeting invite (we're literally never both free at the same time so.. you know... good luck with that). Anyway I've got 3 minutes left until my next meeting? Any questions?

Or to summarise: the real world is a little messy and always will be.

1 day ago
PM-ME-HAPPY-TURTLES

and god help you if HR didn't configure your enterprise account with the correct cost center, department code, privilege level, or security zone during the onboarding period a week before your start date...

your manager will get it fixed. just ask him every time you see his Teams status go to green, maybe you've got three opportunities during lunch

23 hours ago
NoLandHere

This was me when I started my new job almost word for word lmao

23 hours ago
iloveuranus

They are hired to solve problems.

Sure, but I've met a large amount of developers that could "solve problems" very efficiently in a way that made them very popular with management and absolutely hated by their colleagues.

1 day ago
SpezIsAWackyWalnut

Sometimes the problem is the employee, and that's one that only a manager can solve, either by getting them to get their shit together or getting rid of them.

21 hours ago
PatriarchPonds

See also: most professions I've experienced!

1 day ago
corpus_hubris

Nu-uh, that's bait.

1 day ago
crevicepounder3000

So many people are emotionally dependent on this idea that programmers’ days are numbered for some reason

1 day ago
Prior_Industry

They want people in jobs that require education to have to do the mind numbing shit they have to do for their 9 to 5

1 day ago
tiberiumx

Capitalism has slowly chipped away at middle class professions with good pay and working conditions and that don't require any special social connections to get into. Software is one of the last ones standing.

Big tech companies have been trying to flood the market with labor with offshoring and trying to convince everyone and their dog to "learn to code" but so far the growth of the industry has kept pace and we still have it pretty good. Now with advances in AI they see blood in the water.

That's why CEOs are salivating about it though. Who knows about weird NFT bros.

1 day ago
Shiroyasha_2308

1 day ago
Prof_LaGuerre
:py:

From a lead perspective, AI can produce better code than I’ve seen come from juniors in the real world. Does that mean I want to get rid of them and then have to do all the work myself? Absolutely not. Have I seen an increase in code quality and decrease in things I’m sending back to them since we started using AI? Sure have. Do I think they’re actually learning anything from it to improve themselves? Not at all. It’s a sad trade off. My life is easier, but I have doubts they are growing as actual programmers.

1 day ago
Zookeeper187

It’s exhausting reviewing it tho. Especially if they do not clean up after themselves using AI.

1 day ago
Life-Confusion-411

There's a way for them to learn. Have the rookies clean up the code so that they can learn some best practices. 

1 day ago
pringlesaremyfav

Yeah my main problem with juniors was when they copypasted something they didn't actually understand but seemed to solve their problem.

AI hasnt changed that

1 day ago
GotAir

My problem was when they copypasted something that didn’t actually solve the problem!

1 day ago
ultigildra

It could be worse. They copied code but never ran it themselves.

1 day ago
Prof_LaGuerre
:py:

This is still a major problem

1 day ago
Due_Interest_178

How to turn a 50 line program into 500 via AI.

1 day ago
ward2k
:sc:

AI can produce better code than I’ve seen come from juniors in the real world

Juniors push a lot of shit but the amount of slop coming out of Ai is hands down worse

Deprecated methods, libraries that don't exist, any kind of algorithm is just a coin flip on if it'll actually work remotely close to what the aim is

Everyone keeps forgetting it's a language model, it literally can't think, reason or decide upon logic. It just spits out the most likely word that is to exist next in a sentence, the whole reason it can spit out code at all is a sheer coincidence in how language models work

It's ok at boiler plate, but that's mostly because of the insane amount of boiler plate esque code that exists online for it to be trained off

1 day ago
cs_office
:cs::cp::lua::bash:

As a senior developer, the best thing it's done for me is being intellisense on steroids. Just a really advanced autocomplete. I only use it when I know what I wanted to write and it matches what I wanted to put anyway.

1 day ago
Middle_Reflection373

Yeah, that and if you use “agent mode” like Github Coplot it will find the exact place where some obscure business logic lives in a large code base.

1 day ago
movzx

We've been pretty happy with the code review feature they added. Not because it's doing fantastic reviews every time, but because it's actually caught several bugs that the devs and human reviewers didn't. I think it's a great initial step before a human takes a look.

In general, we've found, that even with the hallucinations, having the devs use a LLM to assist saves several manhours a week.

I think a lot of developers who refuse to touch LLM based tools are going to be left behind in the industry. It's a skill like any other and you have learn how to use them correctly.

23 hours ago
monoflorist

I use AI plenty, but as a glorified auto-completer, syntax oracle, and for generating brain-dead stuff like obvious unit tests, CRUD methods, etc. like you said, boilerplate. Sometimes it gets it right, sometimes wrong, but overall a big productivity boost, and I suspect my code is on average better, mostly because it makes me less lazy.

I recently did an experiment where I asked Claude to build something decent-sized. It was a rule engine with a bunch of nuances, and needed the ability to fetch additional context from the database. Not rocket science and not huge, but not trivial either, like a day or two of solid dev work. I gave it about as good of a spec as I’d give a junior dev and let it get to work, with mostly functional-level feedback. It understood the goals and it produced working code. Like a lot of it. And tests! Then I deleted it all because it was a mess of unmaintainable garbage. Like just awful. No sense of design at all.

That said (and as you mentioned), junior devs all seem terrible to me too, and did even before they were human interfaces for AI slop-generation; before that they were SO copy-paste bots, and before SO they were lost puppies. You either need to go through several rounds of painful feedback with them or you need to build them the scaffolding and let them fill in the details, which is more or less what you need to do with AI. I’m sure I was terrible as a junior dev too; my point isn’t about kids these days. Instead it’s that I kind of get why people look at the junior devs and the AI junk and think “these are kind of the same but one costs 145k/year to act as a proxy for the other, why bother?”

What’s going to kill us is that those junior devs did actually become senior devs (although over astonishingly variable timescales), whereas I don’t think the AI is going to get there anytime soon. Somebody’s got to keep the pipeline running. And perhaps even that won’t work; how much are junior devs even learning if the AI does all the thinking? It’s going to get worse before it gets better. I hope I’m wrong about this.

1 day ago
ward2k
:sc:

I use AI plenty, but as a glorified auto-completer, syntax oracle, and for generating brain-dead stuff like obvious unit tests, CRUD methods, etc.

Yeah sometimes I'll have a good idea of what I want doing but can't quite remember how to go about achieving it without digging up bits of older code I've done (e.g. maps, folds, cats and other scala gymnastics) and it's pretty good for doing those one liners or basic functions

But I couldn't really use it for more than that. Even using it for JSON generation was a massive coin flip about if it would follow a schema

1 day ago
pikachus-ballsack

The only thing i use it for is for generating translations for my component whereever static value is used

Yeah they fuck up and create json where "continue" is written like "user_profile_edit_button_continue" despite already having a continue key added before

But hey, its less of a headache for me to manually write translations for it, sot he trade off is fair

I honestly still think, best way to learn something is to watch a video once, take notes with pen and paper, then turn off the internet and try to make what was in that video from memory, fuck up 10 20 even a 100 times but its a 100% guarantee you will learn more than just using Ai to fix your problems

1 day ago
ApprehensiveTry5660

From personal use, even my own coding skills have atrophied with it, but I was one of those people who could nail individual components a lot better than I could build a tech stack and this has increased my ability to plug and play and build more advanced projects.

If I were to compare it to chess, it’s like I’ve become a worse tactician in the microanalysis, but I’ve become a better strategist in the macro.

1 day ago
cwagrant

I’m surprised by the improved code quality. From my experience my coworkers have pushed a LOT of slop in the past few months.

1 day ago
fiftyfourseventeen

Difference between a bad AI user and a good one I guess

1 day ago
dragneelfps
:g:

I have a junior who is really smart but they have been using it as a crutch lately and it hurts that they are not learning anything. I just tell them what will you do when you move to a company which doesn't have cursor and gemini. That makes them think at least.

1 day ago
anengineerandacat
:cs::j::kt::lua::rust::ts:

Shit, seen it produce better code than myself when given a quality enough of a prompt. It's an excellent tool, but I can't imagine what gets produced on purely non-technical prompts.

Do non-software developers/engineers/programmers even know what a server is? client? Do they know about race conditions? Event loops? Etc.

There are like key technical concepts you have to understand to really be effective with these solutions.

You can #yolo it and let the AI take what it presumes is the most popular stack of the time but like you can't really punch in "Create an MMO for me" and it just does all the work (in fact I think most models nowadays are good enough to where it'll just say it can't and spit out a bunch of information to help guide you on a more technical choice).

I think if anything it has raised the floor, pretty much any under-grad has access to a title engineer with domain expertise at their finger-tips; you simply just have to give it a good enough prompt + context.

I could see way more getting done with smaller teams (and smaller teams are more effective than larger teams anyway).

1 day ago
jaypeejay

Oh yeah they guy who created rails definitely doesn’t understand that AI can do junior level rails just fine

1 day ago
between_ewe_and_me

And does nobody else understand that if junior devs cease to exist, there will never be any more senior devs? So like once the existing ones are no longer in the workforce there just won't be any more devs at all?

23 hours ago
jaypeejay

It’s just dumbness all the way down

23 hours ago
maowai

That sounds like a problem for a few quarters from now!

22 hours ago
YOUR_TRIGGER

it's funny. i keep seeing people say programming is over. but they're all people that have never programmed anything. 🤷‍♂️

1 day ago
amaROenuZ

Year four of vibe coding coming to destroy my career, when I can't even trust it to write a unit test.

9 hours ago
phoenix823

Friendly reminder from the early internet days: don't feed the trolls.

1 day ago
Dudi4PoLFr

Junior at 145k?! The fuck I'm doing with my life......

1 day ago
Squalphin

It really depends where you live and spend your money. This is not much in some bigger cities.

1 day ago
Flimsy-Printer

37Signal is a remote company which means the engineers can live anywhere.

Also, $145K is certainly liveable even in SF. A high-end luxurious apartment for one person in SF is $3K a month.

20 hours ago
FlukeHawkins

A guy with a knockoff-nft avatar can immediately, easily be ignored

1 day ago
GeraldVachon
:cp:

And seemingly into raceplay kink content. I’ve seen that spade emoji before…

Edit: typo

1 day ago
FlukeHawkins

That was an escalation, please elaborate?

1 day ago
GeraldVachon
:cp:

Hoo boy. Just want to preface with the fact that I’m not into this, but I have come across it because I’m way too online.

The spade is a symbol used in raceplay cuck fetish spaces, with the idea of being “blacked”: white women becoming obsessed with Black men because of weird stuff about supposed sexual superiority. It’s really racist and plays off of old tropes that depict Black men as violent or animalistic, and centres white men getting cucked. I don’t exactly know why the spade is a symbol for it, because I’m not into this stuff. But it stood out to me here.

1 day ago
arthriticpug

ace of spades is also used by asexual aromatics

1 day ago
No-Passion-5382

SAAR

1 day ago
NerdyMcNerderson

I know nothing of this race kink shit but I didn't immediately jump to an insane conclusion, used surrounding context, and decided that the spade emoji meant to say that he was "calling a spade a spade" which is a common, and not sexual, idiom.

1 day ago
Scary-Button1393

Every vibe coder I've talked to ends up with an unmanageable mess.

Sure, we're "cooked" 🙄

1 day ago
LemmingOnTheRunITG

There was a study recently where programmers were asked to estimate how much using AI improved their speed. They estimated on average that it improved their speed by 40%. In reality it made them 20% slower.

1 day ago
zoinkinator

I’ve spent a lot of time unwinding/debugging agent mode generated code I didn’t ask for and logic decisions and error handling that is superfluous. At this point i have learned to scrutinized every new line of code using ask mode before accepting it. If i didn’t have experience in the first place I wouldn’t be able to realize the coding mistakes that agent mode injected. My prompts have become very detailed even mentioning specific lines of code to adjust along with variables etc. anyone who doesn’t understand coding is going to haven issues doing this.

1 day ago
tubbana

Someone's salty about others having good salary

1 day ago
TalShar

Let them replace us with AI. It'll make thousands of new dev, security, and forensic review jobs when their AI fucks everything up, and then they'll have to hire us all back at increased rates. 

1 day ago
Scorcher646

We are in for an interesting decade, because eventually these companies are going to realize if they don't hire junior developers, they're going to rapidly run out of senior developers.

22 hours ago
Nooly228

He is engagement farming

1 day ago
Atreides-42

JUNIOR programmer for $150k? Is that in AUD or something? I don't think anyone in my entire company is making €150k

1 day ago
FIREstopdropandsave

It's usd. Dhh is the creator of ruby on rails, here he's hiring a fully remote Jr position for his company 37Signals. The salary is in the top percentages for SF pay band for that LOE because he wants to attract the best.

1 day ago
10art1
Software Engineer (:j:)

Moron can literally make $146k just telling an AI to write code and he doesn't take it. Is he stupid??

1 day ago
m64

There is a whole lot of people who were not smart or dedicated enough to learn programming, but now are all "You see, I was right all along, I was the smart one to not learn to program because it's a useless knowledge now!"

1 day ago
Jesta23

I’m not a programmer. But I tried to use ai to program a LISP for autocad. A very simple lisp. 

It failed completely, made up commands, lied about its ability and told me i was the wrong one that was wrong. 

If it can’t create a LISP, something what would take a bad programmer less than 30 minutes to make. 

There’s no shot it can make anything complex at all. 

1 day ago
ScaredyCatUK

I've seen what ChatGPT spits out. No need to worry just yet.

1 day ago
Alert_Ad2115

Junior programmer paying $146k wtf

21 hours ago
Erocdotusa

Guessing its not usd? I know senior level devs making around that

19 hours ago
[deleted]

My reply: Im not a psychiatrist buut your dunning-kruger syndrome is terminal and need immediate healthcare

1 day ago
Qwirk

My experience with AI so far is that it will always provide an answer regardless whether or not it's correct... or needed.

23 hours ago
JohnnyC66

I've found myself in the following situation multiple times:

  • Boss asks me how long it would take me to do task X and I say 1 week
  • Boss gives task to someone else who says they can do it in 2 days, even though they are much more junior
  • After Day 4 of flailing using AI generated code, Boss asks me to help the other guy.
  • I spend a week debugging and fixing his shitty AI code

It's a great tool, I have no idea how long until it's ready to replace me, but it's not there yet.

22 hours ago
sin_chan_
:rust:

Somebody bought that niqqas brain.

1 day ago
beclops
:sw:

They don’t even know what they don’t know

1 day ago
ohkendruid

Doing things with an AI is very similar to working with a very junior dev. For it to be effective on a larger project, they need to be given an overall structure to build, and you need to give them certain standards such as unit tests and pr reviews.

Likewise for using an AI for anything else.

1 day ago
charmer27

Personally find the "devs are cooked" viewpoint hilarious. Like tell you what, when all your core systems spontaneously ignite and all the executives who thought they could replace programmers are freaking out, I will still take their call, but the rate just went up.

23 hours ago
Karnewarrior

GPT makes good skeletons and can help identify errors and bugs

It does not and should not be used as a replacement for an actual programmer. I mean for fucks sake it's only barely capable of thought as it is, and that is itself super impressive that it's even the case.

22 hours ago
kungfoojesus

As a radiologist who keeps getting asked by medical students if I’m worried about my job, it’s things exactly like this that prove me right. My job is safe and will be safe. At the end of the day you must have a competent human to look at the shit AI puts out. A human must sign it off even if some day it’s mostly done by AI. That need will never go away.

And similarly, I’d be more concerned about hospital systems or insurance companies allowing FMGs to read US studies without completing training residency here and without living here.

But that’s for another sub. Stay strong tech bros

1 day ago
Critical_Studio1758

So tired of these people, always the ones who know the least that talks the loudest. How fucking dumb do you have to be to think developers will be the first to go. They are the last to go, they are the ones making the AIs.

Imagine how dumb you'd look if you claimed people who build robots would be the first to be replaced by robots. It doesn't take that many braincells to figure that one out. Yet here we are.

1 day ago
A_random_zy
:j:

Last Friday, our team was struggling with a problem, a team member asked if tried using AI. We did, but it couldn't solve the issue

TL said if AI could solve problems like us we wouldn't have jobs.

I reassured myself that AI won't take over not at this stage.

1 day ago
Secret_Account07

I want to round up all these guys and drop em at my work. Have em come in day one to our standup and give them tasks. See how long they last and make them explain their code.

Throw in some infra work too because I’m certain they would think they know AD or DNS after asking ChatGPT- what is Active Directory

This is like me thinking because I know how to change my oil I could drop a new engine in my car. You may know individual pieces of the car but have no concept of how they all work together. Car is a simple example too. Infra + DevOps takes a lot of knowledge about many things.

Good luck!

1 day ago
StrangerCharacter53

My former boss used chatgpt as a crutch, and it got so bad she started having it read my updates and answering them in her place, giving me direction (terrible) and allowing chatgpt to lead the department. She never had any clue where we were on any project because she was letting chatgpt do all her thinking for her.

She willfully removed herself from all status updates and, in the end, was fired for her incompetence after trying to fire her entire team for "insubordination" (we asked her to read the damn emails herself).

I mean, there was more she was fired for, but the main reason she was so blindsided was that she refused to do any work herself, thinking that chatgpt could do it all for her(it could not).

1 day ago
TwoPhotons

If somebody starts their post with "this guy is so dumb." it means that arguing with them is a complete waste of time.

1 day ago
Ka-Shunky

Saying that on a post for hiring a junior at $145k proves they are not in fact cooked 

1 day ago
Bleyck

Obvious rage bait

1 day ago
PassiveMenis88M
:COBOL:

I find it funny you have comments calling others out for reposting meanwhile you yourself are a reposter

https://www.reddit.com/r/programminghumor/comments/1k30iqf/this_guy_is_dumb/?tl=es-es

1 day ago
kyxaa

Hold up...are you telling me that there exists people on the internet who are full of shit?

1 day ago
SukusMcSwag

AI has been huge for te people who have no idea what they're talking about industry!

23 hours ago
reverendsteveii

I'm a senior dev but my degree is in offsec and i think you should absolutely ship vibe apps right to prod

21 hours ago
No_Imagination_4907

I'm glad people like this exist so I can feel better about my intelligence.

18 hours ago
Desperate-Flounder82

I'm a former systems analyst and have written a million lines of code the old-fashioned way. Line by line. GUI didn't even exist until years into my career. Neither did the Internet (ARPANET/DARPANET did). 300 baud modems. The first desktops. Fortran, COBOL, even a bit of Assembly languages. Left to self-employ in the late 90's, by then I'd picked up more languages, but only enough to keep my self-employed (thought I was done coding, I wasn't).

Point being, after using AI to validate / generate code, it's is absolutely stunning what it can do. I am by no means any kind of expert in anything, but experienced, yes. Still run a e-commerce website and anytime I need something, I don't have to code any of it anymore. I'm still new at AI, but just this past week, I'm seriously impressed on how I can fix errors, add features, clean up old code and improve on things.

My first AI "foray" was to research historical facts established by scholars and in only a few minutes of specific queries, I was able to validate the scholarly research of specific historians and the accuracy of their claims, refuting some common myths held by billions of people. I found this astounding.

We all depend upon experts (if you're smart) to inform us, but even experts need to be fact-checked (if your even smarter) to ensure you're not just being bamboozled. AI can mislead you if you don't insist on detailed responses. But it can do that, easily.

Coders are in severe trouble in my opinion and so are a lot of other people. But opportunities still exist for people to employ AI (and make money) while shifting their level of expertise. But AI is also a bit scary on what it's doing to people. And since nobody will read a longish comment, I won't elaborate further.

17 hours ago
Chicky_P00t

You really do still need to know how to program to use GPT for coding. 4 out of 5 times I look through the code snippet and have to say "Doesn't this code do X but we want Y?" And it's always like "Good catch!"

I've never been able to just copy and paste all the code to make something. The only thing I managed was a Python version of ELIZA but I had to explain every single step to GPT or it would omit things and go nuts trying to add it back in.

I mostly use it by coming up with the logical structure and then asking for some cod examples and then I write it myself. I hop around between languages so I often need a refresher on specifics.

7 hours ago
DisjointedHuntsville

I’m excited for a swarm of AI agents that can be unleashed against morons like this to keep them busy.

1 day ago
skildert
:p:

A one-trick merry go round pony...

1 day ago
Clen23

not to disagree with the whole message but i'm pretty sure that's not what "hallucinate" means

1 day ago
Easy-Theme-5976

My salary is already less than 200$ a month so thats not an issue.

1 day ago
Major_Guide_1058

😆, this is the internet explained in one simple interaction

1 day ago
LeadershipSweaty3104

You don’t have to play chess with a pigeon

1 day ago
jacob_ewing

This really feels r/iamverysmart.

1 day ago
_xantor_

"Personally ☝️🤓"

1 day ago
D0MiN0H

ok but theyre hiring juniors at my salary level (senior engineer), which is the highest i’ve found in my part of florida. I’d happily take a junior role elsewhere for that kind of pay lmao

1 day ago
Terminal_Monk

This belongs to r/knowehoiam

1 day ago
-Aquatically-

I hate people who talk in slang.

1 day ago
YaVollMeinHerr

Ace Rbk go fuck yourself

1 day ago
extralyfe

very fitting that I get a promoted ad in the comments of this thread that says, "I just discovered how to build an app & website without any coding skills".

1 day ago
Vincent394
:cs::c::cp::g:

the fuck is this guy on

1 day ago
Massive_Signal7835

That's a troll.

1 day ago
byteminer

Even if AI was there now to make new things well, I defy it to maintain a decades old C++ codebase that has the requisite amount of tech debt that entails.

1 day ago
gsaelzbaer

Tech bros neither know what C++ nor maintenance is, so they’re safe.

1 day ago
TheDopplegamer

Maybe its just me getting old, but I have grown to absolutely despise the term "cooked" being used everywhere to describe people being screwed. I know, people older then me used it that way, and now people younger then me are too, but my specfici age range doesn't, so it makes me irrationally mad.

1 day ago
Master_Dogs

Did they miss this story about some vibe codin' CEO who had his AI lie to him and basically fuck up as badly as any junior dev ever?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1m4nbpn

The AI Agent or whatever deleted their database and then lied to them. Apparently they made the unit tests pass or something too because the vibe coder only noticed upon inspecting the tests or something.

1 day ago
peacefulshrimp
:ts:

Whenever an AI gets to the point of replacing developers, big corps will be screwed because anyone could just ask an ai to build the app they sell to make a profit and nobody will need them anymore

1 day ago
kvakerok_v2
:j::py::vb::cs::c::bash:

Well, he's not wrong, we are cooked, but nevertheless AI is not in a place to replace any of us.

1 day ago
00pirateforever

This bitch doesn't understand a damm thing.

1 day ago
IBJON

I always get a kick out of non-devs thinking that tech jobs are going to be the very first jobs replaced by AI. I'm sure companies would love to cut costs by giving the highest paid engineers the axe and they sure are having a go at it, but they can also axe dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of employees that do tasks that could easily be done by AI. 

If you're eagerly awaiting AI taking over dev jobs, you better hope like he'll your job is AI proof. 

1 day ago
Drefs_

This Is such a blatant troll, lol. "Why hire one guy, when you can hire another, that takes more money, but knows less?"

1 day ago
FriendlyLeader4782

Can someone in the field clarify for me? On one hand y’all are clowning on this guy, but im also hearing people doomposting that ai has basically wrecked the floor of the industry (internships, low/entry level positions). Whats real? 

1 day ago
floppyjedi

High-effort channeling their own uncertainty if their decision to not learn programming was maybe the wrong choice

1 day ago
jakubkonecki

Ace would pay $200 per month for an AI agent‽

What a loser!

1 day ago
quazi_mofo

Man I know I'm cooked, I just hope to rest for another 15 years before they cut into me

1 day ago
DChristy87

There's going to be a massive surge for the need of developers who can unfuck the systems built with AI when the AI can no longer maintain or extend the systems they have built.

1 day ago
sim-pit

As long as upper management keep making bad decisions my job is safe.

1 day ago
skeleton_craft

The funny thing is I actually started using co-pilot recently, not anywhere near good enough to actually generate code on its own. It is a tool that good engineers can use to write better code. But it is not anywhere near the place where you wouldn't need engineers anymore.

23 hours ago
SteroidSandwich

Ouch. Got us there. How ever will we recover?

23 hours ago