PublicFreakout
ICE Forcefully Detains a Man Without Identifying Him
Discussion
For people who were so against masking during covid. They sure like their masks while on the job these days.
Well, wearing a mask to help make sure your fellow Americans don't get sick and die is oppression. Wearing a mask to hide your identity while you snatch people off the streets and detain them without due process is patriotism/freedom. It makes perfect sense!
And he has no comment on this shit
None of the celebs do…
Patton Oswalt has said shit. Vehemently against this stuff.
Im still confused why it’s allowed for them to hide their faces
Not to mention illegal search and seizure. 4th Amendment.
its because there is no "remedy" for this.
In a normal criminal case with police officers, if they violate your 4th amendment rights, then whatever evidence they found is suppressed. That is the remedy the system has.
But in immigration court, that doesn't matter. Oh they illegally detained you? Doesn't matter, your plane to South Sudan leaves in an hour.
The only "remedy" really available to discourage this behavior is 1983 civil rights lawsuits, which if you know anything about how impossible it is to win a 1983 case, you know that is also just an empty promise.
In short, there is absolutely nothing currently in place to discourage this behavior outside of the 2nd amendment.
"2nd amendment"
Too bad the folks on the left have been trying to eviscerate that one for decades!
And its still here and nobody armed in order to defend against a tyrannical government is doing a damn thing, so what does it matter whether it exists or not. The left don't want the guns and the right are too cowardly to use them
Well, I don’t know if the right is too cowardly in this situation- they actively want this to happen.
Something something protects their safety from backlash...
You know why cops have to follow certain rules when they arrest you? Like read you your Miranda rights? Because the case could be tossed out if they don't. In this case, there will never be a trial so they do not need to follow any rules at all. None. Zero. This person will never be taken before a judge to plead his innocence.
there is also the fact that police dont need to mirandize you just because they arrested you. Now you know!
I mean…. I think it’s a pretty bad omen, sure, and I am absolutely terrified at what comes next, but what are you confused about? If they don’t cover their faces, then people can see who they are, and that puts them and their families and children in danger. It’s not rocket science.
Probably cos people would try put a hit on their head because theyre so against it
They deported more people under Biden https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o
Then all of a sudden they got thousands of cameras in their faces and started to receive death threats.
So they protect their identity now.
Not going to be easy to stop them.
All of a sudden due to breaking multiple amendments
Like what? The only thing they are doing illegally is preventing people from entering at the border.
As far as we know they still deport less people every month than Biden.
Same ice agent, same judges, same system, it's not like a year ago people loved being deported, there wasn't more judges either.
There wasn’t a Gestapo before
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o
How did they deport so many people then?
People just loved being deported? Twice as many judges signing arrest mandate and doing due process all day?
Lmao I never refuted Biden numbers. There just wasn’t a Gestapo. You seem to be fine with multiple amendments being broken now. This wasn’t what was happening before. You are just ignorant and choosing to be anti American
You choose to ignore every question.
How could they possibly have numbers like that without the gestapo?
How is that bow the exact same individuals/ice agents?
This wasn’t what was happening before
What was happening before?
There wasn’t a Gestapo before. Bahahahha you are really slow in the head. You make crackheads look like Rhodes scholars.
There's nothing wrong with deporting someone who has been given due process. That is not what's happening here. This person will be deported without ever being allowed to plead his case.
How did Biden deport twice as many people with due process? Without having more judges?
It happened you just didn't care.
Source?
I'm aware many of the laws that are being abused by ICE now were in place under Biden and may also have been abused. I've spoken out against that. No one should be denied due process as it is a violation of the constitution.
Wow the land of the free…. So so free.
A POS indeed!
He's got his fucking blood type printed on his vest? Like he's in some war where he might get knocked out by an IED and needs to have his blood type visible for the medics.
The fucking war cock riding fantasy these losers live in. It's obscene.
The "but ma freedumb!" lot are pretty quiet at actual rights being repressed.
It's just brown people's rights so they don't care yet.
“A POS” is gr8
these gravy seals need to be publicly shamed. it's completely unacceptable how far the citizens of the US have allowed this to go.
this is the image of America
A POS indeed
ICE, or a kidnapping. Without context, you couldn't tell.
EU should just start boycotting US. That’s so many levels of criminal that it is unbelievable.
The rest of the world can’t look the other way.
When is the uprising against ICE?
Never. They’re too scared to lose their jobs and go out and do something. Rather just be online complaining instead of going out and doing something. Probably the most pathetic coup in history.
Fuck ever going to America again. Hope America feels the effects of the chaos they caused upon themselves for a long time.
Oh.... we're definitely feeling it :(
They even wear Piece of Shit on their chest 😧
Yall need to start yanking those masks off them. See how fast youre free again because they let you go because they want to hide their face.
Lol, you’ll get beaten to pulp.
Cowards can’t show their faces. Real tough hombres.
Everyone needs to start calling 911 and reporting they’re being kidnapped by masked men impersonating police officers at this point.
Dude’s got a panty on his head like a fucking criminal
We’ve come full circle, America.
Patriot front proud boys.
We have to stop this NOW. This shit is unacceptable in America.
Soon its the so called real americans turn. Lets see if u people do than something.
Nah. Stay online and complain instead. That’ll stop the facist takeover of the country.
These ICE bitches are the same pieces of shit who refused to mask up during covid, but now when it suits their agenda to hide their faces, they are happy to wear masks
THOSE ARE NOT POLICE OFFICERS. where are their radios? do not comply.
These losers are always hiding their faces
Yes just like antifa
America has lost its soul ) :
So, I'm not American. I'm confused though, I"m absolutely positive your law enforcement has to identify themselves upon request. Unless literally every show ever has lied to me...
Why are these people allowed to conduct official law enforcement duties behind a mask?
To clear up the confusion: they dont have to follow any laws because this person will not stand trial or plead their case in court. They are being kidnapped and deported without any due process. They can break all the rules because they never will be in a court room having to justify the arrest.
Im just glad I left the US years ago! Fuck that place!
Show your faces you fucking cowards.
Why can't illegal aliens just not give a name, and claim to be a citizen?
If you have to wear the mask so high it touches your eyelids, you def not one of the fucking good guys
Fucking Gestapo.
If anyone was wondering when America’s reich stag fire moment would be, empowering ice like this was it
A POS, a piece of shit. Accurate.
Him being brown is probable cause enough for these pieces of shit.
Where is this?
While hiding their own identities like fucking cowards
You guys are fuxkd down there
So now they are stopping people indiscriminately?
They are just blatantly violating the Fourth Amendment. They literally said they’re looking for people. Not this person specifically, but stopped because he was driving while brown.
WTF.
Why won't law enforcement do something about all these masked kidnappers?
This is interesting, afaik US police can't pull you over with you having committed an offence, and then can ask for licence/registration.
So how do ICE justify speaking to drivers? What's their legitimate probable cause?
Gestapo
Pull their fucking masks off
Group A worked for a fascist regime and had a thing for leather coats.
Group B works for an authoritarian administration and has a thing for cotton masks.
Both Groups are responsible for simply enforcing policy.
Can you guess which group is the Geheime Staatspolizei?
Hint - it's not the group with an Instagram account.
"I was just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse. Just ask those who were hanged by the Hague. We all have the mandate to act morally regardless of policy. It's in the oath to the constitution.
Is this America? I mean, is this what America should be? Utterly shameful.
White male in America here.....no longer wondering why random people don't like me.....
They need to change their slogan to Land of the oppressed :P
We're all human ffs just because he was born somewhere else they do this, it's disgusting
I need your name! Points to vest that says "A POS"
i love accurate labeling: A P.O.S.
I just don’t understand why they can be masked.
Why don’t these people fight back?
ICE travel in large packs, carry and display their weapons openly, and are being enabled to operate outside the laws of the land. Fighting back = suicidal.
As a non-American, can't you call cops or MP on them?
Cops would either be complicit and assisting ICE (most likely), or overruled since ICE is federal and cops are either state or local level.
These are very expansive lawsuits no?
Once you're disappeared to El Salvador, it's pretty hard to sue from inside CECOT.
No there haven't been any fruitful lawsuits (that I've seen) about the immigration enforcement on the ground this administration.
Some lawsuits about DHS policies and specific high profile cases yes, but not about daily procedures about detaining and deporting people.
If you're asking if this is legal, it seems yes because he was pulled over by CBP (border control). If you are a U.S. Citizen you don't have to give any ID to border patrol, but otherwise you do (or risk being arrested). This is why when they asked the guy filming if he is a citizen he said yes, and they didn't take him out of the car.
It's a gray area because the driver didn't say yes or no (in the video, unclear what happened prior to the video). So then that goes to whether the agent believes he's not a citizen based on all of the other facts. I believe since the other guy identified himself as a citizen but couldn't identify the driver as one that's enough probable cause (but I'm not an expert in this area to say for sure)
The CBP people would have to have reasonable suspicion to stop this car and ask him for ID. Reasonable suspicion is a very low bar.
American police never fail to prove that they are the lowest common denominator
Lol, man's tag literally says "A POS" on it 😂😂😂
I notice that too so I’m guess he got that tag on Amazon or Etsy.
Imagine being so embarrassed about the job you're doing you have to cover your face like a bandit in Red Dead Redemption.
Out of shape with finger painted badges don’t look like real federal agents or police
These fascist goons will GO TO PRISON when this is all over
Yea nah, I’m not getting back in the fucking truck. Tf you gon do?
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Good 👍 go back to your country
Plastic badges lol fight back
So he is here illegally?
…that’s what due process is for. You have to legally prove this shit, not just disappear people based on racial profiling.
How will we ever know? He's been snatched to be disappeared before he has any option to defend himself.
I guess if there is no paperwork and he's trying to be as difficult as possible. Im guessing he doesn't have the right stuff.
You do know we have the right to remain silent, right? We also have the right to a court date and an attorney as part of DUE PROCESS.
Are you?
I'm a citizen... yes. ???
I’m curious how Obama was able to deport so many people without all this publicity? What was the difference back then
When did public freakout become a political thread about nothing but rage bait ?
I’d say it’s because these cowards are in public and freaking out about brown people?
Should've worked harder to become a legit citizen. Lol everyone is upset n sad n wanna save these ppl but they're protesting tourists companies n houses destroying their stuff because they don't want us living in their country even though we came the right way but Americans wanna cry n catch a charge for them to stay here smfh.... terrible lol
How do you know they aren’t a legit citizen if they aren’t afforded due process?
Without due process for everyone, what do you think is stoping the government from taking the right of due process away from everyone?
That you cheer for the denigration of human rights is your own prerogative, but what happens if they violate your rights in a similar way?
Would you expect everyone else to rally for you?
Just something to think about.
Your dad should’ve worked harder to pull out.
You should’ve worked harder in school. Just word salad…
Fuck. Can you at least learn grammar before you spew out vile nonsense.
It's so utterly and incredibly bizarre to have masked men taking people away, criminal or not. It's unbelievable that the US stands for that. Un-fucking-believable. That the entire media isn't raging against that 24/7 is almost as unbelievable. The idea, that this would happen in Germany (I'm German) is absurd, bizarre and unthinkable. Impossible.
WTF, USA?
I worked an event at Harvard for the Nieman foundation, so all new and upcoming journalists. I had to ask them since they were all together in a room why the media is not calling out all the open and blatant lies the administration is saying. This are provable lies we don’t even try to question anymore. Their response is they are all scared. I wanted to tell them all to get a new fucking job then. Same with senators that say that. Fuck you get a new job then and let someone else fight. Cowards.
“I wanted to tell them”
Wow bro
Were you too scared to tell them that? Trickle down scariness.
You should of told them.
Maybe he was scared. 🤦
Should have or should’ve. Never “should of”.
Idk, with the dumbing down of mainstream journalism maybe "should have" is okay.
Scared of being an instant world hero.
Don't forget none of them are wearing consistent uniforms. Their vests are all different, rented vehicles. It's all insane.
I try to get into the headspace of people like this, how could I do this to another human being. It's hard not to think of them as a cult, rejected by their loved ones, but accepted by those that fall under the banner. They found brotherhood to fill the gaps where they ought to have a family. Told what is good and right and given the ultimate solution. Obviously this take is myopic, but it's nothing new.
I think it's a combination. There's a percentage that takes these jobs because they want to be able to abuse people with impunity. There's another percentage that took the job because they needed one, but once they saw that this is acceptable behavior that won't be punished, they came to relish it. Another chunk hates it but goes along out of cowardice, and another that doesn't participate in it but also doesn't quit or speak out.
Then you have the tiniest percentage: the ones who see it's wrong, quit, and blow the whistle. They're the only ones I respect.
There's a great novella by Ursula K Le Guin called The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas, about a utopian paradise (Omelas) whose prosperity depends on the "abominable misery" of a child kept captive in a dank cellar. Everyone knows about the child, and most of them make their peace with it. But some can't make peace with it: "They leave Omelas, they walk ahead into the darkness, and they do not come back. The place they go towards is a place even less imaginable to most of us than the city of happiness. I cannot describe it at all. It is possible that it does not exist. But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas."
Be the ones who walk away from Omelas.
These are the same types who sent people to gas chambers. There are always always always huge numbers of these exact types living in our societies. Usually they are restrained by laws, but occasionally, like now, they are set free to do what they want.
The idiots here are too great in number.
Every law enforcement officer wearing a mask should be ashamed. Shame on all of them.
Why are people surprised. Freedom has just been your bread and circuses.
This the same USA that interred it's own citizens and sent the national guard to gun down students
> criminal or not.
They didn't ID him, so they don't know anything about him. They are guessing he might not be a citizen, and using force to arrest him based on that suspicion. And then either ay they can deport him without a trial.
You hit the nail on the head with the media... Most of the media is complicit
Maybe it's time Germans got off their high horse.
Germany is busy committing despicable human Rights violations against peaceful protestors, and propping up Israeli war criminals.
I don’t know how we are able to deport people for foreign nations they’ve never been to for seemingly forever without any court process for a misdemeanor offense.
Our system has collapsed.
Wait 10 years.
If it keeps going like this, there will be no America in 10 years.
Perfect to defend yourself with maze
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And it also ended in Germany. Let's shut this shit down now. We don't need ten years and a war to make it stop. There are exponentially more people completely appalled by this than there are people carrying it out.
Make the lives of those responsible for this miserable until it stops. Scream at the top of your lungs at every elected and unelected official until it stops. Shut the whole economy down completely until it stops.
It's completely immoral, inhumane and EVIL. It is NOT who we are. Fuck.
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So? Do it differently this time before it ever gets to that point. That's what I'm advocating. Shut this shit down NOW. The experiment with fascism and authoritarianism is over. We can decide that as a people, and we can certainly make it stop within a week or two if the will is there.
Also, maybe learn some more complete history. It wasn't just the US that made them.
You mean because the Soviets ended it? The US came at the end and was like „we helped too!“
What media are you consuming that ISN’T raging against this?