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They'll have to release complete games? The scandal
Oh no, the games you pay for and can continue to play? This is the crux of it people. I bought Anthem, the ME POS it was but you know what, I can’t hate play it soon since servers are going off line and you can’t play without being online. I have 6 months left of life support on it now.
This will do nothing to that effect. It will just ensure that games remain playable even after service has ended.
Not what it means anyway.
It simply means that if a publisher wants to abandon a game they have to provide a way for people who paid for it to continue to play the thing they paid for.
i.e. they can’t turn off a server and say “games gone now, cya”. This has happened more than once and the initiative is important because as modern digital consumption moves more and more to a licensed subscription model for everything this is going to start being an issue.
There’s some nuance to it but the entire point behind it is to prevent things people own and paid for being taken from them.
Thank God one guy seems to actually have a idea what this thing is
So basically you are saying that they will start having games purely behind subscriptions, that way you don't own it and when they turn off it's servers it's no problem. Right?
That is a possibility, and it’s something else that could and should be regulated… this is a very complicated topic and the point of the movement is to have the conversation and do so at a legislative level.
For example that exact practice you speak of can simply be outlawed. Companies are not going to leave the billions of dollars up for grabs in the gaming industry on the table… but they have to operate within the law to do it.
If we don’t regulate them they will do what’s best for them, not us. Government regulations in the best interests of consumers are what we should all want... I mean businesses used to literally starve and poison children because it was cheaper than selling real food.
Neutral Evils be rolling nat20s
Who's the netd that isnt peter parker?
PirateSoftware. He's a streamer whose big claim to fame is "I worked at WoW once, no trust me guys I was really important". He (possibly) modulates his voice to sound way deeper than it really is.
(Allegedly) he was just a game tester, too
Not allegedly.
He worked in QA (testing) and then on web security. He was never remotely involved in game development and his entire dev experience is one shitty and very poorly coded unfinished game that he stopped working on at all once he got his “early access” money.
Source: am actual dev, this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. At all.
Wasn’t his dad the one who was the actual ground level foundational WoW dev and he got a nepo job at blizzard as a result?
That's the one!
Web security forhim is social engineering.
Which is important dont get me wrong, but it aint deving.
It's not development at all.
I work with security people all the time, their job is absolutely not writing code.. they run reports/scans/and identify vulnerabilities to be fixed.
Obviously there are plenty of security people who can code and plenty of jobs in security that involve coding. But it's definitely not a code first role. Which is fine and all, coding isn't anything special in the slightest and is no more/less difficult than any other IT job.
But anyone thinking he has dev experience from Blizzard is very wrong.
Wasn't he building that hot mess in Gamemaker at that?
That, and the actual code he shows on stream seems to be a hot mess as well. Someone posted a code review a couple days ago and the conclusion was his coding practices are garbage tier.
Yeah I saw how he was storing values for his game and it looked like some massive array of values with the context provided in a comment next to it.
Like every flag was just an index at a specific point in the array so instead of calling a descriptive variable name to do something you would need to go search the comments for the thing you want, take note of the position, then set it where you wanted.
This is the kind of thing that first year CS students learn not to do. Your code should be self documenting as much as possible and while extensive commenting is a good thing, it should not be relied on to know what the code does… that’s what you name and structure things properly for.
That was just one of many issues but it’s so beyond basic that it’s clear this guy has zero experience in any kind of software development. I mentor kids who are still in university at work and this is the kind of thing I would deny a PR of in a simple script, forget a full blown application.
The guy cannot code.
He claims to work at game testing and QA
His dad was important. He's just a shmuck that got a job there because of him.
I've met him in person, his voice is actually very deep.
I've met that guy ☝️ in person, his voice is very deep as well.
He can be wrong about something without needing to make up lies about him.
Hey for sure either puts on a deeper voice or modulates it
Stop being silly. There's video of him receiving some streamer award and he sounds the same as he does on stream.
There's also videos of him forgetting to lower his voice, it's not modulation he just deepens it
Repost.
Also the initiative won't kill live service games anyways
The net change will be a sticker on the box and a line in the EULA
On digital the purchase button will become a subscribe button or there will be a notice prominently displayed next to it.
That is the intent, it still needs to go through the process. I doubt it will get that heavy handed. It would be nice to mandate server code be made public as a part of the sunsetting process as suggested.
The initiative is a conversation starter for more than just what's in the initiative.
The game world is nuanced and complicated, with some developers releasing complete games and then adding onto them, while others release incomplete games and rely on support to have enough money to fund development, there are the money hungry companies, but not every situation is the same
Tell that to the Callisto protocol CEO.
Yes, please.
No, it won't. Petition asks to keep singleplayer games. "Live service will be killed" is a way to counter the real issue.
No. Petition specifically asks to keep all games and to release server software that you can self-host like you could for Quake 3 (example from the petition text).
I'm 100% sure that live service could be separated lol, people are angry because of Ubisoft, not because genshin can be closed one day and all people will loose their waifus. Anyway, even they can keep a client without webserver, because people made "pirate servers" even now, without any help. All the devs need to do is contact mod makers and it is free...
Meanwhile his heartbound still not released yet
If im thinking right, we only like live service games because we see regular updates. Not because other games dont receive regular updates, but it being live service somewhat guarantees there being updates
Live service isn't really a bad thing if done right but it is often just done for the sake of monetization and not because it makes a game actually better.
In still not sure why Thor is against this.
Stop making stupid people more famous
I mean my immediate thoughts go to games like dead by daylight and marvel rivals which won't survive when the servers shut down. And then I remember they can just try to add community servers or offline modes. So the whole argument of Thor is just dumb.
oh no, no p2w or mtx? just a finished game? oh no!
Mtx is totally fine in F2P games if you ask me
yes and no. 70€ for a armor skin in POE for example is not ok. 10€ for a fortniteskin is
Have you seen how many foreskins there are?
I'd never buy a 70€ skin but if it isn't gatcha or employing unethical methods like FOMO it's still not that big of a deal imo
Live service games that want to shut down should be forced to release a fully functional server build so that people can host the game themselves or else issue partial refund.
I think the industry can survive that.
Are they going to claim Anthem's server code is too valuable to release to the public? Would issueing a partial refuns to the few people who bought it based on lies and paid promotions really cost them so much?
Well maybe don't hype up games, abandon and then shutter them. Nothing was stopping them from adding content to the game and making it good instead of shutting it down except greed and if it costs money to shutter games maybe they won't be so quick to abandon them.
Parts of Anthem’s backend (e.g. profile and authentication services) are likely used with little or no change in other EA titles as well.
If it’s going to kill live service industry, I don’t mind killing the bad one
I dont know what this means, someone explain
Never forget in this new world of abandonware and purchasing "licenses" instead of games. If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing
I still think this will do dick and all but I'm not saying dont try
Stop calling him Thor, his name is jason
You mean Jason
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