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Here's what happens if Blizz increases honor in AB or WSG:
- People form premades.
- They farm you and your noob friends.
- They get all the honor and you get none because you didn't capture a single objective or kill anyone.
This is the reality. You might get some good games, but it would be terrible overall just like AV.
Easy to fix this if you cap pre-made group size like sod did. Wasn't it capped at 5 in sod? Also matchmaking was more likely to put pre-made groups together iirc. #somechanges
Agreed, but not going to happen. And while I do find PvP fun, the game isn't made for it and there are far better games you can play for PvP. It's not really a major concern for 99% of players and most people who are going to be Rank 14 already are, so there's no reason to make a change at this point.
If people actually cared about PvP all the R14s would be queuing up for WSG and AB for fun. Even then, most of the people who did play WSG and AB didn't do it for the fun anyway- they did it for the rep rewards.
Boo this man. Easy fix. Cap at 5. EZPZ
There will be premades but there will also be plenty of solo queuers. Make raids only able to queue into raids (5+). This is the way it was in 2019, horde had 3-4 hour AV queues so you had to run AB and WSG all day until your AV finally popped at the end of your grind. I had a priest so I wasn't even ranking but I still PvP'd for fun and having all bgs active even with 5 man groups and premades steam rolling you every once and a while it was a shit ton more fun than the AV spam bullshit. Theres always gonna be issues but when you log on on a Saturday evening during AB weekend and want to PvP and theres only 1 fucking game going something is very very wrong.
In AB they could just half the amount needed to win and that's it, nothing more needed.
And WS should be a win after 1 capture or 10 min, with the side winning who had the opponent's flag more often. Holding the opponent's flag longer than 6 min should also be a win.
People would play it...
So you want all those shit eaters honor grinders from AV go to my warm cozy AB?!
Zug zug
The warm cozy ab with a 2 hour que time
Yes please!
Honestly I've realized WSG sucks ass in pugs because no one knows how to play it
I'd love for WSG/AB premade vs premade to be the meta
WSG is delicious
All its gonna lead to are premades and the games you want vs randoms wont be many anyways.
Y r u geh
Honor aside, I never understood why the fck the WSG rep is so cancerous to farm ?? Like wtf ?
Because it’s a relic of vanilla. Rep grinds were intended to be much slower and a lot of work for the rewards.
But then AV is quite the fast grind in comparison.
because this version of AV is not vanilla version of AV. Each AV game was 8 hours long, not 8 minutes
Well it is the vanilla version, but the last version of it and I wouldn't say each AV was 8 hours long. More of the exception than the rule but they were longer then the rush meta we have today. Even in 2019 when there were longer matches and turtling you could do repeatable turn ins for rep. There are a lot more sources for gaining rep unlike wsg
There was a change in the middle of vanilla that changed AV from 8 hours to 45 minutes.
They removed npc's and did other changes.
I remember what you are talking about, but that changed in late 2005, early 2006.
AV has changed multiple times and you are playing the final version where changes to speed up rep are in. It was a massive grind of looting bodies for turn in drops to complete objectives like wolf riders, aerial assaults and Druids. Most of those items and even bosses were removed and updated to a straight Rep gain since then.
Yes it is the last version, but storm crystals, armor scraps, etc are still in and great for rep. They removed those race-specific items. I think it is more likely that the grind is a bit faster because the BG was accessible from 51 to 60 so you could go from neutral to exalted during your time at the end game compared to WSG where many players were running wsg at each lvl bracket since 10-19 all the way to 60 and were probably starting lvl 60 wsg being friendly, honored or revered with silverwing sentinels. It's still for sure meant to be a long grind, but there really isn't a great comparison, a wsg win will get you 105 rep which could take 15-30+ minutes or more, or literally nothing if you lose, plus marks. They could have easily made the wsg flag turns in and everything to give more rep. AV might get you 400-600 rep with a lot more ways to increase that rep gain even in stalemates win or lose, with the matches ranging from today's 10-30 minutes with the rare longer exceptions, back then it's hard to tell the real average since people just remember the extremes. I'd guess on average being 1-4 hours. Of course faster is better.
Which is weird to give good rewards you could use while leveling but you're always going to out level the rewards before you could ever get the rep. Literally token turn ins for WSG would level you before you could use the items.
A lot of things in vanilla don’t make sense because the game was designed differently. Low level rewards were a thing because people would do bgs alot in all the level brackets despite there being no exp. People played more for fun and less about rewards back then.
Totally fits the rushed content we have
Which is quite a shame. Like look at this item, easily a BIS contender for a Fury Warrior Outrider's Plate Legguards
Besides the actual design problems of the bg like no wsg timer and the rate and ways you gain the rep, I would say the main reason it is like this is because you could do these bgs starting in the 10-19 level bracket for wsg and 20-29 bracket for AB whereas AV starts at 51. Many players did low level bgs too, it wasn't a rush to endgame or 60, and so many players were probably honored or revered with those groups before even reaching 60. The pvp rep grind and its gear rewards should be split by level bracket imo, but instead its one continuous rep grind you can access at a low level that then permanently unlocks rewards for higher brackets. If they made the BG rep grind as easy as AV back then, a lot more players would have been exalted before even hitting 60 and get that lvl 40 and 50 exalted epic gear.
Bruh have you tried AB lmfao