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[VIZ] Dragon Ball Super Chapter 104

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1020845?timestamp=1739977218279
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AdNo266

I like getting to spend time with Trunks and Goten. I hope Toyotaro continues to use them going forward.

That full page panel of Cleangod looks real good, doesn't seem like Toyo has gotten rusty in this downtime.

No word on the next chapter, but this one does end with a "To Be Continued!"

4 months ago
ownage516

Honestly, I wish a new series would follow the both of them. They go on some adventure in space or whatever. They’re not overpowered or broken so there are stakes

Have Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, etc. cameo here and there but I think that’s the move

4 months ago
TheMagicalMatt

I always wanted a next gen Z-fighters team with Goten, Trunks, Pan, Bulla, and Uub, with Goku and Vegeta as their mentors. It would be appropriate now that Toyotaro is probably taking over full time. It would be a fresh start for Dragon Ball on all fronts.

4 months ago
ChemicalFly2773

Cell Jrs

Android 18 and Krillins kid

Android 17s mystery kids

4 months ago
YoungGriot

Word. They said they would focus on more movies starring the non-Goku and Vegeta cast, so I hope they give us a Goten & Trunks movie at some point.

4 months ago
dizruptivegaming

Goten and Trunks having a spin off series going on adventures would be great. Space adventures helping Jaco and Galactic Patrol would be interesting.

3 months ago
Standard_Report_7708

We deserve what Kakumei has done with them!

3 months ago
[deleted]

The title said story by Akira Toriyama so I wonder if he had written stuff about clean god before he died for Toyo to work with.

For the down time if I'm not mistaken I think he is still working and drawing he just isn't making the new chapters yet. He probably has made over 300 pages of super the last year that will all get adapted or scrapped and hell have to redo them when he can continue the story.

Idk what manga authors do when they're out of work but I can't imagine he's not staying busy

4 months ago
BoxOfBlades

Mostly, I hope they don't just get dropped the second a Goku and Vegeta level threat appears. The themes of taking on responsibility and wanting to be a hero can carry over into real high-level fights, especially with fusion.

4 months ago
Nba2kFan23

How do i buy a hardcopy of this issue?

4 months ago
AdNo266

It'll be in volume 24, should be out in April

4 months ago
Nba2kFan23

thanks!

4 months ago
Sans-Mot

I did not expected to see a character being canonized in this chapter.

4 months ago
Lucienofthelight

Olibu made canon and Mutaito being shown again. Both crazy to see honestly.

4 months ago
TheMagicalMatt

Right? Love the faceless Goku statue too lol. Glad his battle with Piccolo hasn't been completely forgotten.

4 months ago
Lucienofthelight

I bet King Furry made sure to have something in his honor since he’s one of the few who knows about Goku’s heroics.

4 months ago
justintrenell

I still find it hilarious that Goku won a Tenkaichi Budokai, was a runner up in 2 more, and no one remembers him.

4 months ago
TheMagicalMatt

Fwiw I believe the tournaments at that time were more for hardcore fans and people who actually respected the culture of martial arts, because you have an awful lot of people in the Cell and Buu arcs who were easily convinced that ki attacks were fancy tricks and light shows. It wasn't until Mr. Satan started to gain popularity that the tournaments became mainstream, highly publicized events. The crowds who used to attend those events prolly remember Goku and knew who the true heroes of the Cell Games were. I think there was a filler scene of King Furry saying exactly that, actually.

Sorta similar to how twitch used to be for gamers and now it embraces the softcore onlyfans vibe, the Tenkaichi Budokai used to be for martial artists and their fans until it embraced the average WWE-type fan and became a shell of its former self. In comparison, only a select few earthlings would remember who Goku was.

Somewhat related - Somebody posted a headcanon a while back that they think there's a niche group of earthlings who try and keep up with the Z Warriors' activities throughout Z and Super. That's prolly your original Tenkaichi Budokai audience who think Mr. Satan is a poser.

4 months ago
Bireus

Sorta similar to how twitch used to be for gamers and now it embraces the softcore onlyfans vibe, the Tenkaichi Budokai used to be for martial artists and their fans until it embraced the average WWE-type fan and became a shell of its former self. In comparison, only a select few earthlings would remember who Goku was.

Early commercialization of everything is always peak before it becomes mainstream. Dammit

3 weeks ago
pkjoan

It wasn't only Olibu, it was all the fighters from the otherworld tournament but Paikuhan.

4 months ago
Implicit_Hwyteness

Yamcha Enjoyers W

3 months ago
ChemicalFly2773

Pikkon/Paikuhaan fans this is your sign.

Never lose hope!

4 months ago
Classic1990

This would make me so happy. When I was a kid my brother bought me The Other World Saga on VHS and I wore those tapes out! I'd kill to see Pikkon get the canon treatment.

4 months ago
kryst87

Considering that Pikkon was one of the main characters in Toyo's DB AF I hope that we'll see him one day. It would be cool to see him in his Super version from DBH.

4 months ago
NashRashGash

For those who missed https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Olibu

He's at the entrance on page number 12

4 months ago
gcocco316

Yep. Very pleasantly surprised to see that.

4 months ago
QuietRedditorATX

I think it is crazy that now he is an Earth hero??

I know he was from Goku's portion of the universe, but I don't recall if he was actually from Earth.

4 months ago
Sure_Competition_127

He was I’m pretty sure 

4 months ago
Hka9

I actually liked this chapter a lot! A very low stakes mostly slice of life chapter but it does such a good job at explaining why Goten and Trunks are such big fans of Clean God and wanted to become super heroes themselves. The fact that it's actually Gohan giving the speach to Trunks and inspiring him makes it even better and it shows he somehow kept up with training. The museum was also a neat touch showing Mutaito, Goku and even Olibu!

And To Be Continued thank god! I was really starting to worry about the Super manga's future honestly, I hope Daima's last episodes will tie in well with Super and next Super arc will take us to the demon realm again!

4 months ago
Has_Question

It's super interesting that Gohan warns him about protecting his loved ones with a secret identity right before the arc where pan gets kidnapped because goku never really protected his.

4 months ago
NashRashGash

To Be Continued

well, that's neat

4 months ago
screwt

Please based gods

4 months ago
CelioHogane

More Trunks and Goten please.

4 months ago
Call_Me_Rambo

I’ll never get tired of these SOL chapters

4 months ago
SaitamaOk

Same! I never understood why so many people shit on them. I always loved the breaks and seeing stronger than life characters interact with normal humans and seeing their reactions.

4 months ago
ansonr

Right? This was so fun. It was also cool to see Gohan and Videl hanging at Hercule's dojo.

4 months ago
Outrageous_Neck_2027

Same It's always the best getting to see these chill adventures

4 months ago
UtterFlatulence

Nice to see that history has remembered Mutaito in some capacity, plus Olibu is canon now. Fun slice of life, I just wish this wasn't the first chapter in a year, and that we knew more about how DBS will be continued.

4 months ago
[deleted]

I always thought the other world tournament was always Canon that it happened it was just adopted as filler in the anime since Toriyama skipped over it.

Pikkon, Olibu, the grand kai and west, south, east kais were always confirmed to exist so I figured the rest did to.

4 months ago
UtterFlatulence

The Kais were, but not Pikkon or Olibu. Toriyama did some of the designs, but it was all invented for the anime. South Kai appears in the manga, and Grand Kai is mentioned by name once or twice, but that was it until now.

4 months ago
KlingoftheCastle

There being 4 Kais is canon, but only 1 of the other designs showed up in the manga, South Kai, the simplest of the designs.

4 months ago
[deleted]

Thats weird I could have sworn that I read somewhere Toriyama drew Pikkon and that he was one of the main canonical things of that time skip.

But makes sense. I'm sure they'll make Pikkon appear in someway in super either directly or indirectly. Maybe show a flashback of Goku and him sparring

4 months ago
UtterFlatulence

He might have designed him, but no story appearances. Wouldn't be surprised if Toyo makes him canon somehow.

4 months ago
kryst87

He designed Pikkon and gave some advices for his animation and character (basically he said "Piccolo type character").

4 months ago
CeeBangstrip

This chapter was weirdly... Heartwarming. I can't believe I just said that.

All the little callbacks and references.

When Gohan was talking to Trunks in their sparring match in chapter 103, Trunks has no idea the hero mentality instilled in him was actually installed by Gohan himself, mascarading as Clean God. Meanwhile Gohan's just smiling. It's a bit poetic in multiple ways.

4 months ago
LRCrane

It is nice to see Gohan do that, too, since he was a total hero to Trunks in another timeline.

In this, Trunks seems to have a non-existent relationship to him which makes sense, since Goten exists now and they're closer in age than Gohan would be. Plus, Gohan is busy with school/work and Videl/Pan.

But after having deemed the Great Saiyaman as lame in this timeline, this is a nice shake up and allows for him to admire Gohan, in another way

4 months ago
Bireus

In this, Trunks seems to have a non-existent relationship to him which makes sense, since Goten exists now and they're closer in age than Gohan would be.

They were closer during the timeskip/buu era, where he also clearly had an influence on Kid Trunks a bit.

3 weeks ago
HiddenGhost1234

Yea Im not a huge fan of slice of life, but this chapter was a treat.

4 months ago
white2234
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I fucking love the fact mr. Satan, goku & gohan have random ass statues honoring them lmao

4 months ago
britipinojeff

Too bad Mr. Satan has all the credit against Cell

There could’ve been two statues of Goku and Gohan lol

Both as kids and adults

4 months ago
Kungfudude_75

To that end, its a bit strange that we now have confirmation that Kid Goku is remembered for his actions against Demon King Piccolo, enough that a life sized statute of him was made and almost perfectly resembles him save for the face, yet no-one has figured out Goku is that child all grown up.

4 months ago
RaiyenZ

He even registered to the tournaments under the same name. I think there's a good chance either Kami or the announcer pulled some strings there. Or even more likely these were built under Mr Satan's supervision and he wanted to give Goku some credit without revealing his identity. Plus even if people in the city are now able to recognise him based on the statue, he rarely roams around the city or even on Earth anyway so they probably won't get a chance to even see him.

4 months ago
Kungfudude_75

I was about to mention the Cell Games being televised, but in hindsight, he was a Super Saiyan the entire time. Beyond that, no conflict in canon Dragon Ball has seen the people of Earth capable of watching it outside of the King Piccolo and the Cell Games. So its entirely possible people do recognize that Goku, the periodic world tournament fighter, is the same person as the child who stopped King Piccolo. They just don't see that he was also the blonde man who helped fight Cell. I retract everything I said before LOL.

4 months ago
ValentDs22

the only earth tournament he registered until now (z before super and super) was the majin vegeta incident, he was dead and he didn't fight

4 months ago
HiddenGhost1234

It was probably king furry more than satan.

Theyve shown quite a few times he remembers what Goku did for the earth against king piccolo

4 months ago
ValentDs22

to be fair, he's near never in the middle of public, most of the time at home or other worlds xd

4 months ago
QuietRedditorATX

Fact that "Teen Gohan" is snubbed is crazy. But I guess it makes sense with Hercule getting the major credit.

4 months ago
gunnardavis2

Anyone else notice the brothers the kid goten and trunks fought at the previous world tournament were in Hercule’s dojo too? Haha the Mullet Brothers

4 months ago
NashRashGash

CLEAN GOD

4 months ago
skyhiker14

Multi universal level!

4 months ago
Spoonybard1983

Anybody else catch the two brats Goten and Trunks fought in the budokai in Mr. Satan's dojo?

4 months ago
Second_Guess_25

I thought that kid with the black hair looked familiar 🤔🧐

4 months ago
Lordsokka

Yeah that looks to be them, or maybe an Easter egg homage?

2 months ago
Classic1990

We actually got an Olibu reference!

4 months ago
crimsoneagle1

Clean God skin for Gohan in Sparkling Zero when?!

4 months ago
NaiveEnvironment1145

Once the post TOP story arcs get animated!🙂‍↕️

4 months ago
Whats_9_Plus_10

So Olibu is oficially canon. Neat. Enjoyed this chapter a lot. Definitely brings a lot of the Saiyaman vibes back.

4 months ago
Negafox

I enjoyed this chapter a lot. Here's to hoping the "To be continued" is for realsies and we can see what Toyo can do on his own

4 months ago
marrcopolo

This give me hope in the next chapter

4 months ago
Wiinterfang

I love the costumes color.

4 months ago
Andrew_Parkinson
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I had so much fun with this chapter, which I expected after the previous Superhero stuff.

imo Super has the best slice of life of the franchise, but it was often relegated to the "filler" episodes in between arcs. I love Toyotaro intertwining it with the story/making it the story, even if it is lower stakes.

4 months ago
Commercial-Test-6861

I think the same, DB has slice-of-life episodes but they are usually about jokes or something in particular and not the common life of the characters. 

I even like seeing how Trunks considers his schoolmates friends. 

4 months ago
HiddenGhost1234

Id rather have the slice of life stuff 10x over B4 having crap like the purple goop Vegeta thing.

The hit assassinating Goku mini-arc was a nice mix of slice of life and action

4 months ago
unwashedmusician

Vegeta sucking a pacifier was a low point.

4 months ago
enewwave

Damn that was fun.

I loved seeing Olibu and Master Mutaito get brought into canon. And the little Goku cameo!

4 months ago
134340Goat OP
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This actually isn't the first time Mutaito has been drawn in the DBS manga

4 months ago
NaiveEnvironment1145

Wasn’t Mutaito already canon though?🙂‍↕️

4 months ago
CelioHogane

Aw man i kinda wished Cleangod was someone else, making Earth a little less "Only Goku and friends are important" kinda deal.

4 months ago
Brayzen77777

Yeah it would have been really nice if Trunks got inspired by some random human or just a non Z-fighter in general. Someone that gave him a hard lesson on why you keep your identity secret. But nah of course he had to be inspired by someone he knows already.

4 months ago
CelioHogane

Exactly, you get it!

4 months ago
QuietRedditorATX

100% agree.

Random superhuman was super cool.

4 months ago
IamChaoticMess

At the same time it’s very heartwarming that it’s Gohan, in every timeline he will always be Trunk’s idol

4 months ago
NashRashGash

Cleangod was someone else

Clean God isn't real. He's a fictional character. Gohan was only playing the role for the day because the original actor was sick.

4 months ago
CelioHogane

I clearly meant the actor...

4 months ago
NashRashGash

The actor is someone else. Gohan was just filling in.

4 months ago
CelioHogane

Dude are you actually this dense?

4 months ago
NashRashGash

I'm ESL so maybe I couldn't understand what you meant

4 months ago
CelioHogane

Im also ESL so your excuse doesn't work for me, but let's try again.

I WISH THE GUY THAT WAS WEARING THE CLEAN GOD OUTFIT AND FIGHTING THE CRIMINALS WAS A NEW GUY AND NOT JUST GOHAN.

4 months ago
NashRashGash

fair enough

Though introducing a new guy when it's the final chapter of the arc wouldn't have worked

4 months ago
Sakuja

Why not, just some lower powerlevel dude from Tenshinhans dojo or something. Just to show that Earth still has some super powered individuals and they didnt all disappear in Z.

4 months ago
HiddenGhost1234

As soon as I seen him start fighting in like "that's totally Gohan right?"

4 months ago
kryst87

I actually thought he was played by Tien because of his face.

4 months ago
CelioHogane

That would also been cool.

4 months ago
Bireus

I was wondering who it was with a chin like that. I immediately thought of Tien though when I recalled how Gotenks fawned over him in FightersZ

3 weeks ago
Dragon_Bench_Z

Legendary

4 months ago
gcocco316

Loved this. I’ve been getting into solo leveling lately. It has great action and look forward to the episodes quite a bit. But man, I love these characters in dragon ball. Toriyama had a way of writing characters. You can tell he loves his characters.

4 months ago
MondoFool

Interesting how this kinda connects the manga and anime since it's the anime version that establishes Gohan as a part time stuntman

4 months ago
Queasy_Watch478

ARE WE NEVER GETTING A NEW CHAPTER EVER? :( i JUST checked in on the sub and realized its been 3 months!!!

2 months ago
Nyte_Knyght33

This was fun! Saiyaman X-1 and Saiyaman X-2!!

4 months ago
CelioHogane

Ayooo canon Olibu!

4 months ago
Rynelan

To be continued..

Yes!!

I really hope for a monthly release again.

4 months ago
timone317
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And with one tiny addition, the Other World Tournament may not be confirmed to be canon, but just like SS4, it is now something that can ABSOLUTELY exist within the lore. And I am so, so pleased by this.

I just can't get insisting on being a lore/canon purist the way many seem to have done now that Toyotaro (or maybe the Dragon Ball Room?) holds the reins.. Like I have an intense appreciation for the lore of Dragon Ball, but never once have I viewed it on the same scale as something like The Iliad - something that cannot and should not ever be modified. Dragon Ball has been FILLED with retcons from the beginning. DBZ STARTED with a retcon of Goku's origin! More of a reveal, but I'm confident there are those out there who view it as retcon and long for the days of "pure" Dragon Ball. And it's just...why limit yourself. Especially when the changes don't fundamentally ruin what already exists.

4 months ago
WorkerChoice9870

That was better than I thought.

The nostalgia nods in the hall were well done. They were in the background and didn't have any impact on the story but they were there if you recognized them. Thought I saw a Dragon Quest guy in there too. Trunks' friend group was fine, not annoying and I like several of the designs. Was surprised Hedo wasnt in the crowd watching the movie being shot.

All I really regret was not showing Videl leading the class with her dad. C'mon Toyotaro!

Now more than ever I want to see Goten Trunks and Broly join the Galactic Patrol with Merus and Jaco as their bosses.

4 months ago
mcolwander90

All I asked out of this going in was two things:

  1. "To be continued!"

  2. Gohan starring as Clean God.

This chapter delivered that and more. I know Gohan isn't the Clean God, but it was still funny he was a substitute. If this ever sees an anime adaptation, they can tie it to the Saiyaman movie. Plus a surprise Master Mutaito reference and Olibu is now canon (bringing hope to a Pikkon canon debut). Great chapter, and I'm excited for what to come (whenever it does).

Also, debate time:

Gohan's Clean God vs. Don Cheadle's Captain Planet - who you got?

4 months ago
thebritwriter

Everyone has powers. Everyone has a costume!

Just not you, videl.

4 months ago
ansonr

She also does though. She's Saiyaman 2.

4 months ago
HiddenGhost1234

I think that's his point.

When's the last time we've seen her do anything other than being a mom even tho she is a "super hero".

4 months ago
dildodicks

not canon though, of all the things og z added i'm actually surprised that was one of them, it just makes so much sense

4 months ago
ansonr

IIRC She's mentioned in the brief Saiyaman Film Arc of Super.

4 months ago
jetlightbeam

Consequence of motherhood? Even Chi-chi had a costume once, I hope Pan gets to just be a Z fighter.

4 months ago
UniMaximal

This was fun :)

4 months ago
ChimeraAnt

It's a very sweet chapter much in the vein of Toriyamas short stories. Toyotaro is doing a great job.

4 months ago
DarkAkuma

Ok. Previously, my thoughts on this were just that 104 coming out means that, 105 and back to the real story is only a month away.

But after reading 104, I can appreciate it for what it is. Particularly with some of its consistency and subtle call backs. Like for starters, it never made sense and was inconsistent how Trunks thought Gohans Sayiaman thing was "lame" in the Buu arc, but was all super into being a similar type of hero now. This fills in the transition from that outlook.

Then there's the thing with Gohan, throwing back to the Super filler, acting as a Sayiaman movie stunt double/stand in. Its a consistent and a familiar thing for Gohan to do that for Clean God. Though I thought it would be more interesting to have a new human with powers on earth, so losing that was kind of disappointing.

It's also cool to see Olibu as a statue, and confirmed as a past hero on earth. Always figured he was a dead hero from another planet. This makes more sense.

2 pieces of anime filler... canonized into the manga! Interesting! (If you view Gohan doing that as a follow up to the similar anime filler at least)

EDIT:

1 month later... and no chapter 105? I take back some of my praise and goodwill, since the best thing about 104 was that 105 should have been a month away, and we would FINALLY be back to the real manga and new content...

What a letdown and giant middle finger to the fans...

4 months ago
QuietRedditorATX

Even worse, they introduce Olibu confirming super humans. Then just went back to Gohan anyways.

I agree, could have left Cleangod as a mysterious superhuman.

4 months ago
Advanced-Ad-4462

While I’m certainly in the “I can’t wait for the real story to come back” camp, I do appreciate them explaining why Trunks and Goten did such a huge 180 with respect to saiyaman.

Nevertheless, while this was a good chapter objectively, my enjoyment of it was soured by the reality that we still haven’t moved on from Super Hero. I cannot stress enough how abrasive it is to still have 0 word on Frieza black years after the fact.

Like, I get that this may set up trunks and Goten going forward, but I’m so turned off from anything Super Hero related at this point that even seeing them again in the future will likely just bring back up all frustration I’ve been feeling for how this IP has been managed.

Frankly, it’s ruining the characters for me. That’s saying a lot as Trunks has always been a favorite of mine. I just want dragon ball to have a somewhat serious tone again.

4 months ago
DaBlakMayne

1 month later... and no chapter 105? I take back some of my praise and goodwill, since the best thing about 104 was that 105 should have been a month away, and we would FINALLY be back to the real manga and new content...

What a letdown and giant middle finger to the fans...

Calm down. It's a miracle we even got this chapter. Toriyama only died a year ago.

2 months ago
NegrosAmigos

DBZ had it's very own Captain Planet.

4 months ago
infernox

Damn I was kind of hoping there was some mystery character playing Clean God instead of Gohan. Like someone on Earth other than the main cast somehow found a way to get strong.

4 months ago
Mojo12000

Something's fishy.. why has no one ever seen the Gold Fighter, the Great Saiyaman and Clean God in the same room?

4 months ago
Stalwart_simplicity

The Gohan twist made this chapter for me; we were all wondering where the Super Saiyaman was during the Superhero arc, and it turns out he was there the whole time! Also, with this and that filler in Super, I'm not against Gohan having a side career in the film industry.

By the way, is this the first time Gohan and Hercule have talked to each other in the manga? 

Edit: Oh, I also really liked all the stuff happening on the side, like Rula stealing potato chips, and Bulma giving food to Whis.

4 months ago
QuietRedditorATX

Gohan is not Cleangod though. He was only there for one day.

4 months ago
IPorK
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yay my boy Olibu got a shootout

4 months ago
GlennHaven

The statue in front of the museum is Olibu from the Otherworld Tournament arc of the anime. King Kai's greatest fighter after Goku.

4 months ago
Crazyripps

Love mutaito having a statue and a mention. Paying respect to the master master

4 months ago
YamiPhoenix11

They made Olibu canon thats an awesome note. Also giving respect to Master Mutaito.

Good chapter.

4 months ago
QuietRedditorATX

The reveal sucked. I was really hyped for Earth to have other Superhumans even if we never explored them =\

Part of me thought he was A16.

4 months ago
YamiPhoenix11

I honestly thought it should be Yamcha. Makes sense a star baseball player could go on to be in movies.

4 months ago
kryst87

I thought it might be either Tien or Yamcha.

4 months ago
Lordsokka

I mean who else could it be other than a Z fighter?

2 months ago
QuietRedditorATX

I think that's the point. He could have just been some mysterious super human.

2 months ago
Riablo01

I read the new chapter. It’s fantastic. There is no doubt now. Toyotarou is Toriyama’s true successor. As long as Toyotarou is around, the Dragon Ball franchise will be in safe hands.

The king is dead, long live the new king.

4 months ago
Swashyrising12

God that was so good. I didn‘t think a prequel to the prequel to Super Hero would be at all interesting, but my god does Toyotaro really capture the heart and soul of Dragon Ball. After constantly being disappointed by Daima it’s so nice to be reminded of the greatness of the much superior series Super. Been almost a year since we last had a manga chapter and I miss Super so damn much.

Olibu from the Otherworld tournament was an interesting inclusion, it was cool to see Mutaito being remembered and kid Goku from when he defeated King Piccolo. Also seeing Whis and Vegeta at capsule corp was great as well. I just miss this world so much and Daima just does not do the series justice like Super does.

Sucks that we don’t know when the manga will come back, if at all. But that’s probably due to the legal battle for the rights, hence why we got a prequel of a prequel which is probably all Toyotaro is allowed to do at the moment.

4 months ago
The_Red_Curtain
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there's a legal battle going on?

4 months ago
Osha-watt

Kinda complicated, but tl;dr, Shueisha technically doesn't own anything Dragon Ball related, they only own the plot since that's what needs to be validated to go on Shonen Jump, to put it VERY simply. Japan's copyright system is very dumb so anything new needs to pass by them first and they also need to get a cut, and with Toriyama dead, all this process has been very messy and there's been a fight between Shueisha and Capsule Corp (a company founded by Akyo Iyoko, who used to co-own the rights to Dragon Ball as a whole with Toriyama and now technically has all the rights due to his passing) bacause Shueisha is walling everything since they want to own the whole franchise and milk it to death, while Iyoko wants to, understandably, save Toriyama's legacy and do things the right way.

There's more to it that anyone who's not them doesn't know so I don't know where we are at this point, but that's the gist of it at least.

And yeah Shueisha being what they are is why we're still waiting for more animated Super.

4 months ago
[deleted]

Shueisha always owned things what are you talking about? They co-own all copyirhgt and solely own the trademarks.

They own everything they published, they funded all the anime, they were involved in the licensing of the games, shueisha is more involved with db than toriyama ever had outside of the original manga.

4 months ago
Nba2kFan23

How do I buy a physical copy?

4 months ago
effectimminent

that cleangod panel was kino

4 months ago
OkSearch7926

So Broly, SS4 and now Olibu.

Is everything outside the OG DB manga going to be canon now?

Who's next? Paikuhan? Cooler? arf...

4 months ago
TheMagicalMatt

Woahhhhh when did the manga come back???? Why am I so out of the loop of everything

!remindme 3 hours

4 months ago
[deleted]

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4 months ago
TheMagicalMatt

Aw, well fuck. At least they threw us a bone though to remind us they're still there lol.

4 months ago
NaiveEnvironment1145

Man, I did not expect Cleangod to be Gohan in disguise, that was a big plot twist!😆🤣😂 Also, welcome back manga fans!😄🤩😎🥳🎇🎆🎈🪅🎊🎉👌

4 months ago
ChemicalFly2773

Was this chapter a surprise or was its publishing date announced?

4 months ago
Jermz12345

It was announced back in December

4 months ago
Tuskin38

That was fun

4 months ago
effectimminent

11 whole months ... we're back.

4 months ago
Crazyripps

That was a really fun chapter!

4 months ago
trueGildedZ

IT'S BACK???

4 months ago
dildodicks

cleangod is obviously goku, he fights people and makes them good 🤫 well i wouldn't call frieza good but he's changed.

honestly stuff like this makes me long for more chill things set in the db universe, i still want a spin-off of gohan and videl at the orange star school, or the two of them as crime fighters even though iirc that didn't happen in the manga.

also mutaito after so long is crazy, someone (relatively) obscure from og showing up this many chapters later is great.

4 months ago
Enderwave94

This Chapter was fire, Toriyama would be proud.

4 months ago
fmaa
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Oh man we are witnessing Toyo’s growth in real time

4 months ago
NotEntirelyAwake

Is nobody gonna mention how much this feels like Dragon Ball AF's first chapter?

4 months ago
jacaranda-blue

Caught up on the chapter a few days late, but damn, my heart is so full now. I’ve really enjoyed this approach to teen Goten and Trunks, and I like how this chapter fleshed out how Trunks came around on the whole superhero thing. (I legit remember feeling a little riled up at Trunks on Great Saiyaman’s behalf when the high school arc started, like, don’t think I’ve forgotten you giving my boy Gohan a hard time when this was his hobby!)

Some great cameos in the hall of heroes! Especially love the Mutaito appreciation. Probably for the best that Goten wasn’t there, I could see him blurting out something about his brother (and to a lesser degree, his dad).

Speaking of, I definitely spent several minutes examining that Cleangod jawline, ruling out Gohan, and getting a little excited of the possibility of another martial artist in the role. So then I was actually surprised by Gohan, and it made the way he dealt with Trunks that much more wholesome.

Idasa and Ikose showing up in Mr. Satan’s class made me lol. This chapter was full of things that make being a fan after all these years still fun.

4 months ago
[deleted]

i liked it and im glad hes back but if hes doing a side story on trunks and goten he shoudl finsh dbs

4 months ago
unwashedmusician

Not normally into the SOL but this was fire. The manga is in good hands.

4 months ago
Ok_Row6060

Man I like this Gohan, the one that changes into his super fighter persona when in a superhero suit. Too bad the latest movie ruined this character.

4 months ago
dragonballbt4

from a lot of the hate i saw in the comments for toyotarou I think they missed the "written by Toriyama". Unless the edition team accidentally left that but I seriously doubt it was an accident.

3 months ago
HomicidalRex
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is there nowhere to watch these if the videos exist? I've watched upto Goku Black saga

2 months ago
Yolo_Options_21

Is Chapter 104 in the past? Trunks and Goten was already super heroes so I’m confused on why this is the beginning of their Super hero arc

5 days ago
YokoRaizen

A year long hiatus for a chapter that feels like a filler. After retelling Super Hero. Well at least the manga is continuing.

4 months ago
Hoozuki_Mangetsu

boy the first 10 pages totally wasted, way too redundant, by the time we got to see clean god fightning i was hyped bc i thought he would be another superhuman so that was interesting aaaaand theeen turns out it was gohan so my hype just died, i like how olibu is canon now and cool to see mutaito and the kids who fought goten and trunks tho.

Overall 5/10, the great saiyaman was cool, the ginyu force was cool but this cleangod content and saiyaman-x nonesense has been pretty lame so far.

4 months ago
extremedonkey

Wtf where did this come from

It's a one shot people, upvote and tell all your friends

4 months ago
47D
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They announced this back in December

4 months ago
extremedonkey

They announced your mom back in December

4 months ago
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4 months ago
pkjoan

There isn't a Black Frieza arc, when will people stop spewing this nonsense

4 months ago
always_tired_all_day
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I know this wasn't the start of the Black Frieza arc most of us are clamoring for, but this was a really nice chapter. More character development from Trunks here than in all of the Super anime.

Gohan being the Cleangod was a cute twist.

4 months ago
pkjoan

Speak for yourself, I don't want another Frieza arc and at this point nobody has actually said that's the next arc that's coming. It's just usual DB fan parroting stuff they don't know about.

4 months ago
always_tired_all_day
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I know it wasn't announced or anything, but the Granolah arc clearly set up a Frieza return as the big bad. That's the logical place for the story to go. If you're not interested, that's fine.

4 months ago
pkjoan

It isn't, EoZ is right around the corner. We don't need yet another Frieza arc.

4 months ago
Sponge_Bond

I don't want Black Frieza yet either.

I think having him pull strings and keeping him as a final major villain would be more interesting.

Keep him around but don't use him yet

4 months ago
lepusstellae

Better than daipa 

4 months ago