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Fun fact: There's over a year between releases of the next 2 Marvel films. This is the longest gap since the pandemic!
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Fun Fact: Endgame jumped ahead five years, Thunderbolts jumped another 14 months by the end and I have no idea in what year Doomsday will take place.
Thunderbolts was Fall 2027, so Doomsday is most likely either late 2028 or early 2029.
Those are fake years
All words are made up.
All names are letters, ya dickhead
What do you mean by that ?
They don’t seem real lol
Like as far as I’m concerned the year is still 2019
Oh gotcha. Yeah, I remember how 2023 (the 5 year jump) felt far away when Endgame released and now here we are two years after it.
I feel that way too, but the mirror tells a different story.
Covid years were like five times normal years.
Excuse me but it's still the 90's and none of y'all can convince me otherwise.
Because that means Gunther will be released in 2028 after being captured by the Lunatic Response Unit in Johnny English.
Late 2028 is fake, early 2029 is a real year
I really, really hope that by the end of this saga we’re back to just events happening in “real time.”
I’m honestly indifferent to it. Like very little is changed if the post Endgame stuff happened around their release date. Plus even before Endgame not everything was in real time. Of course you had stuff like The First Avenger and Captain Marvel set years back, but Black Panther was two years before its release date and Guardians 2 was three.
I don’t really think they’ll refer to specific years anymore. They have to say things take place over time. “I haven’t seen you in years!” Time has to have consequence
Logan took place in 2029. I doubt they are gonna interfere with that. Is it safe to assume that the X-Men in Doomsday will not be the same ones from the X-Men movies?
Logan would be later in 2029 and given the screwy continuity with the Fox movies anyway, who knows what explanation they give if one at all. The latest Doomsday would be is January 2029 and that’s assuming Thunderbolts is November. Until we have anything saying otherwise, I see it as being October 2027 with Doomsday being December 2028 matching the month of its release and the 14 month time jump.
It’s important to note that in Logan, the X-Men have clearly been dead for a while. The entire world has changed at that point so a year or two perhaps? Could we actually see the death of the X-Men in Doomsday?
I seriously doubt the movie references Logan in any way. If you want an explanation, when they arrive on 10005 it isn’t the exact same as what time it is in the MCU and it’s vaguely between the events of DOFP and Logan from their standpoint. They know most people aren’t going to care about timeline stuff for these characters especially when like I said the Fox movies are known for screwy continuity anyway.
There’s explicitly multiple timelines in the Fox X-Men movies anyway, it’s 100% something they can brush straight past
Or they could just say that the events of DP&W (bringing a second Wolverine and future-Laura from the Void to the present) fucked up the timeline and created a new branch where the X-Men are still around.
Heck, Laura saw what happened to Prof X in the future, maybe she was able to help Beast find a way to manage/cure his seizures or something.
Fans would absolutely hate it if they fucked with the story of Logan, no way they touch it.
They’re going to just expect us to assume the guys in Doomsday are from an almost exactly the same universe up to that point.
Yeah, it would be like if somebody dug up Logan's corpse and killed people with his adamantium bones. Imagine the backlash!
Logan takes place in a different universe… it has too…
It can’t even really take place in the same universe as deadpool, despite what deadpool and wolverine would imply, because there’s young mutants in the earlier deadpool movies, who shouldn’t have been born due to the chemicals in Logan stopping mutants, and it doesn’t really work with the xmen still being around…
Though in theory, 2029 in 616 doesn’t necessarily mean it’s also 2029 in the xmen universe…
My theory is that the xmen universe is going to be a kind of “greatest hits” of the fox universe, same actors, you can probably assume that your favourite movie happened, but deliberately vague, because the timelines soo screwed up by now lol
Logan takes place in a different universe… it has too…
It does. The director (or maybe writer? someone on the staff) said that way back when. It's too depressing the end the X-Men movies like that.
I love Logan, but it can be its own thing.
Doomsday will always take place in 2026 according to me.
Was it ever said when the mutant stopping chemicals were made? Just because there were mutants in Deadpool doesn’t mean it’s not in the same universe. The chemicals could have and likely did spread years later.
It’s 25 years, so no mutants from after 2004
I remember that now. That stopped mutants from being born but not necessarily made through stuff like cloning and power transfer. The guys in Deadpool were clearly up to some sketchy business and off the books experimentation. That is not normal.
The X-Men Universe doesn't have to be the same year as the MCU when they crossover. It could be any point in time.
Logan takes place in a different timeline than the OG X-Men movies. After DOFP there were multiple branched timelines and Logan isn't set in neither OG X-Men timeline nor Rebooted one, it is a different timeline
I like to think with all the delays we’re finally caught up, so that time jump in thunderbolts is 2026/27 whenever avengers comes out
No. Even with delays, the MCU is still slightly ahead. Endgame had a 4 year gap (5 from Infinity War), we’re now at 2. Brave New World showed an invitation dated April 16th, 2027 and Thunderbolts is after it with weather matching Fall, so it’s most likely Fall 2027.
Doomsday is set in 2028-2029, film releases in 2026 we are not caught up
Honestly this has been one of my biggest problems with the MCU. They have completely been decoupled from any consistent timeline.
Even films that went back a bit such as Guardians vol 2 or Black Panther, you could tell around when they take place. But now who knows.
Tbh GotG2 took place 6 months after Vol 1, but it's kinda tricky to tell exactly
There's a bigger gap between GotG2 and Infinity War iirc, even though they came out a year apart
I mean, you're right, but... does it really matter? As long as there's internal consistency and we can tell when one movie takes place before another, isn't it fine?
Except we generally can't nowadays. Movies jump all around and sense of time is lost.
If it makes you feel better, you dont know what dimension Doomsday will take place either
Considering that the teaser from Thunderbolts was shot on the set of Doomsday (confirmed by the director), and we know the cast of the old X-men trilogy are in the movie (from the chair reveal video), pretty safe to assume there will be multiple dimensions/universes in Doomsday.
They really need to bring these movies back to the present day.
It's been so long since the last Avengers that we may have already caught up🤷🏻
Plot twist: the MCU has jumped ahead farther than anyone thought. This is now a Guardians of the Galaxy movie (the OGs from the comics!).
wasn't it a time jump to the beginning of doomsday so doomsday would be 14 months after thunderbolts?
Yeah but what year is it? Is it 2026? 2030? I'm guessing the 14 months is the exact release time between Thunderbolts and Doomsday.
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around whether the Fantastic Four takes place in a multiverse past, present or future.
Wait, Spider-Man will come out before Doomsday?
Doomsday got delayed to December 2026
I'm betting SM4 is going to get delayed as well since they haven't even finished casting let alone started filming.
So far it follows the same schedule as Fantastic Four, so if everything works just as smoothly, it may not be delayed
No SM seems to be going Street level now with addition of Punisher. No reason to delay
Also Spider-Man should be in IMAX, but The Odyssey will be hogging screens in July 2026
They start filming at the end of this month.
Doesn’t it start filming next week?
Marvel heard too much of "geeze there's been hardly any ramp up to DOOM" and so they went and put DOOM in more stuff.
I think phase six only has 4 movies in it. It’ll be weird to return to early “once a year” schedule but better this releasing five a year and hoping one works.
Kinda weird that we are already at phase 6. It felt like a lot of happen yet nothing really
Its because there's been no big crossover movies
Yea, it was easy to know when the phases in the past. Now, it feels like despite all the content, we’re still in phase 4.
I honestly keep forgetting we're at phase 5, I just keep thinking of everything as phase 4. At what point did we even go from 4 to 5?
Wakanda Forever was the last P4 movie, and Quantumania was the first P5 movie. But yeah, it took me a year to fully accept that we were in phase 5.
Phase 4 ended with Wakanda Forever with the Guardians Holiday special as its epilogue
It's easy to lose track when there's no Avengers movies to make the phase culminate with something.
To be fair I feel like thunderbolts was supposed to fill that need? I wish they would have spent more time on each of those characters through phase 5 in order to really drive it home
Covid, the writers strike, and the retooling after Jonathan Majors exit all killed the pacing of phases 4-6. Plus you had the OG Avengers either killed off (Black Widow, Iron Man), retired (Hawkeye), replaced (Captain America), MIA (Hulk), or Flanderized (Thor) in favor of less well-known properties. We had the cultural phenomenon that was Endgame, followed by no Avengers titles for over seven years.
The franchise needs momentum. It's just hard to care at the moment.
Also throw in Chadwick’s passing.
& the sag aftra strike.
Plus you had the OG Avengers either killed off (Black Widow, Iron Man), retired (Hawkeye), replaced (Captain America), MIA (Hulk), or Flanderized (Thor)...
...character-assassinated (Strange), cosmic-retconned so their ties to the universe at large don't matter (Spidey), needlessly killed off instead of recasted (the King), given awful movies that ruined their reputation (Ant-Man), turned into a villain offscreen then killed off (Wanda), sidelined completely (Bucky)...
in favor of less well-known properties
It will be 5 prolly, F4, Spidey 4, Doomsday, Doctor Strange 3, and Secret Wars
*5
4 announced but they've also got a release date set for between the Avengers films for an unannounced project.
There's also Blade and Armor Wars movies in development if they ever see the light of day.
But that makes it 2 a year still. Thunderbolts and F4 in 2025. Spidey and Doomsday in 2026. Unannounced and Secret Wars in 2027.
Phase One had 6 films in 4 years.
And it culminates with the biggest box office release since Titanic.
Part of it is that shows are apart the MCU proper now
So each phase has the shows to beef up the total output
This break will be good for Marvel I think, let us miss the MCU a bit.
Except for the remaining three shows this year...
The general audience doesn’t pay much attention to the shows though…
I tried very hard to keep up with the shows, but they put out a lot of stuff that hasn't had any payoff so I put them on the back burner for shows I need to watch.
I also had a kid, so we try to keep the TV to a minimum when he's awake.
can't blame them when most of them are mediocre or forgettable
The new way they’re handling shows, with Daredevil Born Again really being the first example of it, is a good step in the right direction. But yeah, so far they’ve watered down the brand with a lot of frequent mediocre content.
then theres me who still cant get around to watching NF DD S3 and then Punisher so I can finally watch D+ DD. the hell's wrong with me. why am i watching other shit first or sometimes nothing at all.
Yes and no. The shows will draw hardcore fans and others, but not really the same audience as the movies
Especially for major event films like Spider-Man and Avengers, more and more people will be clamoring for those during the break as we get closer
The shows need to convince Marvel fans to pay for Disney+
I am very hype for the three live action upcoming series
And the other 3 next year
Oh no, three seasons of six episodes each, how will anyone ever manage to keep up?
Yall remember 2017 when there were over 60 hours of like 7 MCUish shows airing? And like another 20 hours of three more non-MCU shows?
and honestly, I never kept up with some of those which were even questionably canon at that time. Speaking to the likes of things like Cloak & Dagger and Inhumans and SHIELD which i was all for being fully canon. Netflix MCU seemed canon enough at the time to be acceptable and now it definitely is. But I never saw Cloak and Dagger or Runaways and never felt I really missed anything for it.
bummed I still haven't caught up on new Daredevil but life is busy and these shows are not feeling like urgent viewing.
Cloak & Dagger is some solidly good drama (with mostly meh music).
The shoes are blipped in his universe
Every cobbler’s dream
Do we still think Wonderman is actually going to come out in 4-5 months? Could be wrong, but I don't think there's been a single "official" thing from Marvel marketing that show? Seems kind of odd there hasn't even been a teaser at this point.
There was a teaser that was a part of a Disney Plus promo.
Fair enough, forgot about that!
Yep, and it shows Trevor Slattery is back lol
Disney doesn't treat the shows the same way as the movies in terms of marketing anymore, they now wait until we are 2-1 month away from release before they start to market it. even Daredevil which was the most hyped MCU show didn't started marketing till we were 2-1 month away from release.
Marketing for Wonder Man will start up by October-November after Marvel Zombies is out of the way
I saw an ad on tiktok for it today
Didnt people say that last year when the only movie was deadpool and wolverine lol
Yep, maybe if Cap 4 wasn’t so horrible they would’ve had some good will.
They could at least have given us Shang Chi 2 or Eternals 2
It seems late to start but marvel should really use Doctor Strange 3 or something to bridge the gap between the two avengers movies. There’s a lot to cram into Avengers Doomsday.
I've read people theorizing that the "mystery movie" in 2028 is actually a 3rd part of the doomsday/secret wars movies. If that's the case, we might get another film to help spread out the story arc they're starting in Doomsday.
I hope that's the case because like you said there really does seem to be too much and too many characters to cram into two films. A Dr Strange centered movie would also be great here.
I think if we get DS3 in this phase, it'll be the one in-between Doomsday and SW, as there is still one film scheduled for July of 2027
I just think that one would make the most sense since the character is most closely tied to the multiverse in the movies and his movie left him on a cliffhanger of sorts. Plus the ties to doom in secret wars could use some set up. Hopefully we’ll hear something soon.
I think you can do Strange 3 without it setting up the stage for Doomsday, as in Secret Wars is where the incurssions no doubt will finally get going, so Doomsday ends with Earth getting destroyed, then we switch to Strange 3 in where the events of Doomsday are happening on the sideline while Strange deals with his own issues with the incussions, then we reach Secret Wars when Strange finally joins in to solve the issue at hand
Wow, That makes me pretty bummed.
People complained about too many MCU movies, and quantity over quality, and so they scaled back.
Then people are complaining about too long of a gap between releases.
People complain about the movies and shows being so interconnected that it felt like “homework” having to watch everything.
So the newer movies and shows are now more separate with only brief nods to other stories and people complain that the MCU is less connected.
The only constant here is that people complain no matter what they do or how they do it.
Kevin Feige must be tired.
The same people aren't complaining about each thing. I definitely want more MCU and just want them to care about continuity more, I don't believe in "superhero fatigue"
No, they complained because half of this huge steam of content after Endgame was crap. More hours of bad stuff in total than all of the good phases put together.
So now Marvel needs a year to right the ship. I hope they succeed. However, I think the damage is done.
I’ve enjoyed more Marvel movies than I’ve disliked but honestly? Good
We need the gap
It's crazy that the next two MCU films are Fantastic 4 and Spider-man.
There was a time that seemed impossible.
What's extra funny is 20 years ago, both IP had movies come out. Spiderman 2 in 04 and FF in 05.
If Fantastic Four can stick the landing and build off of Thunderbolts then that gap + anticipation of what's coming next + the next few movies being Spider-man and an Avengers movie...could really help recapture some MCU hype.
It's better than Deadpool and Wolverine surrounded by three SSU movies in one year
Good give me quality over quantity any day
No worries, I’ll just keep rewatching Secret Invasion in the meantime. /s
It really is better on the 16th run through
Sweet. Now I have something to look forward to in my life. :-)
Each phase used to really end with a bang. Battle of New York, Destruction of Sokovia, The Snap. Now phases just sort of pass without any fanfare or excitement. I'm fine with breaks like this if it allows Marvel to get back to form and focus on quality over quantity.
Would've made even slight sense to end Phase 4 with Loki S2, so you can say they ended it by dealing with Kang-ish.
Otherwise just call Phase 4 "post-endgame-whatever-the-fuck" and have Phase 5 lead into and end with Secret Wars.
But no, somehow we have two whatever-the-fuck phases and now we're onto Phase 6(?)
This is what the haters wanted, its always the very loud, and very vocal, small subset of people that somehow get their way
The money listens.
Sounds like a good thing
Any shows in the interim?
These we know for sure that they'll be in between:
Eyes of Wakanda
Marvel Zombies
Wonder Man
Daredevil: Born Again season 2
These we know they're in 2026 but don't know when:
Vision Quest
Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man season 2
Punisher special presentation
and X-Men 97 S2?
And X-Men ‘97 season 2
Oh damn, I thought the Punisher special was at the end of this year for some reason
Don’t remind me 😭
We may have different definitions of "fun", OP.
What do we get in between? Wonder man, Punisher, DD Born Again S2? Anything else
Vision Quest
Ohhh yes very excited for that
The Fantastic Four: First Steps ... July 25, 2025
Eyes of Wakanda ... 4 episodes ... August 27, 2025
Marvel Zombies ... 4 episodes ... October 3, 2025
Wonder Man ... 8 episodes ... December 2025
Daredevil: Born Again S2 ... 8 episodes ... March 2026
Vision Quest ... 8 episodes ... (Maybe)
Punisher ... 1 episode ... (Maybe)
Spider-Man: Brand New Day ... July 31, 2026
This is fun? It's BORING.
weird then that fantastic 4 isnt the end of this phase isnt it?
I mean for all we know Feige may come out and say "Oh btw FF is the end of Phase 5 now"
He has done this before in where he said this is the last movie...........oh no wait the next one is the true finale of this Phase
Good. Marvel needs more time between their movies. 3 movies a year is way too much. You need to give people time to miss you. That's how these things become events again.
Three movies per year was great when the movies were good and there were no TV shows as required viewing.
I don't like that :(
Good.
Morning
Vietnam!
I love the fact that it's 2 such iconic characters too! Hopefully they're both great, I think first steps could be an amazing start to phase 6
Cool, marvel can hopefully fill up their war chest. These two movies should do well and the next 2 movies are Avenger ones I think.
YouTuber Headlines: Has Disney forgotten the MCU?!
I'm okay with quality over quantity.
They should play the Punisher special presentation in theaters for a limited time before coming to Disney+. It would be fun for fans to see it on the big screen and prepare people for his appearance in Brand New Day.
Perfectly ok with that
Another movie might be released in-between that time.
At this rate there is no time to fasttrack another movie, unless its a small scale and small budget film
Good. Quality over quantity (hopefully)
Huh, something about Spider-Man following up the Fantastic Four just feels right
This is nothing. Back in the day we’d go years at a time without any superhero movies.
Hell yeah, all for it. Quality over quantity
It’s been such a slog, they should have committed to kang and we’d already have gotten secret wars by now, or it would be releasing later this year. Wasting so much time screwing around
But are there are going to be any more fucking godawful television shows during that gap?
There nothing wrong with having to wait a year for the next movie
The gap wouldn't exist if we got Doomsday as originally planned for May next year.
Good, quality over quantity.
That’s not fun….nor is it Fantastic!
ahh we're on the season of marvel drought
Oh yeah the delay means Brand New Day is next.
You say it like the pandemic was half a decade ago
Does he know?
He must have blipped
I feel like we all got blipped and suddenly it's 2025
I just realized that come next year it will have been six years since 2020
My god. You're right.
Every 60 seconds a minute passes in Africa.
Only at sea level. Gotta take general relativity into account.
you think thats bad?
were now closer to 2050 than 2000
Hey man I’m still processing that 9/11 wasn’t like 4, 5 years ago, tops
This will now be true for the rest of time.
I’m not entirely sure I returned from the blip yet.
Who said that?!
Blip me back in 2029. I wanna skip the next few years.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Excuse me the pandemic was last year, I can’t hear you lalalalalalala
That it was actually 2 decades ago?
He knows
Well, almost...
The pandemic didn't end till like 2023 or something.
I’m still inside. Is outside safe and happy yet?
Its safe, but not happy.
Depends on your definition of safe. School is out, so no school shootings. I guess that's safe.
Imagine this being the norm...
Since the pandemic started...
Ha I know right?
Who's gonna tell em?
I feel like time has been speeding up ever since the Large Hadron Collider was started up. Probably in a black hole or some shit now.
New theories suggest our entire universe may actually be inside of an unfathomably massive black hole.
How do we tell him...?