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The latest Doomsday set photo seems to confirm a plot leak from about a month ago
In Avengers: Doomsday, this team is tasked with resolving the Incursion between two worlds and rescuing Monica Rambeau. These heroes, along with other characters from that universe, later protect Loki at the Citadel after finding the TVA and Doctor Doom’s plan.
The team members include Sam Wilson, Thor, Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, Ant-Man (Scott Lang), Jennifer Walters, Yelena Belova, Bucky Barnes, Bob, Bruce Banner, Shuri, M’Baku, Namor, and the Fantastic Four, who join the mission because Doom kidnapped Franklin Richards, the son of Reed Richards and Sue Storm and took him to a place called “Universe X”.
Meanwhile, John Walker, Ghost, and Red Guardian remain on Earth-616 alongside other Avengers to protect the planet from an unknown invasion. The remaining Thunderbolts unite with Wakanda, Talokan, and the sorcerers led by Wong to help defend Earth.
Someone over at r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers also corroborated this leak but said that only Reed and Sue go to the X-Men universe. Ben and Johnny stay behind, which further seems to be further corroborated by this set photo.
So the leaders (Sam, Yelena, Bucky, Shuri, Namor, M'Baku, Reed and Sue) plus the muscle (Thor, Captain Marvel, Sentry, Hulk, She-Hulk, Shang-Chi) and Ant-Man go to save Monica and stop the Incursion and consequently have to fight the X-Men, while Walker, Ghost, Red Guardian, Falcon, the Thing, Human Torch, Wong and the armies of Kamar-Taj, Wakanda and Talokan stay on Earth to fight an invasion, presumably by Doom's forces.
What do you think about this plot?
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Thor being the main one protecting Loki at the Citadel please 💔
Thor sacrificing his life for Loki to live mirroring how Loki did the same in Infinity War would be awesome. Maybe then that sets up the Thor Corps to appear in Secret Wars somehow so we could get another appearance from Hemsworth’s Thor like we also got in Endgame with the past version of Loki.
I just want to cry please make me cry movie
And Beta Ray Bill FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE
If that does happen, I could see that panel of Thor & Hyperion from Secret Wars (2015) I think, playing out with him and Loki.
Is the time runs out plot what you’re referring to. In secret wars he is in doomgard
I think Secret Wars (2015) colloquially refers to that entire story from hickmans avengers or whenever it started into actual secret wars
I usually hear about it referred to as one big chunk anyway
Sorry but nope. Secret Wars is a standalone story. Time Runs Out is the lead-up, and it spans issues from Avengers and New Avengers.”
Just trying to bridge a gap you were intent on not seeing friend but go ahead and show off any more comic knowledge if you want I know enough for you to feel validated and I don’t care enough to be offended you’ve got your golden victim
Not the case. But it’s something pretty obvious. In my opinion the term “Hickman saga” is better
you’re so much better at naming stuff than me
Yeah that would work
Yep, I would love to see that too! Seems really plausible too.
Ok, but when is he gonna cry holding Deadpool?
Stupid joke don’t want it
“So this is how feels like”
“The leaders, the muscle, and Ant-Man.” 😭🤣🤣
Honestly cracked me up, and he’s my favorite Avenger.
So much disrespect. He almost solo'd kang (if you dont count Wasp or the Ants) 🤣
This does make me think maybe he really does die. Leaders, muscle, and the average Joe. If you're gonna have an emotional death, losing the funny everyman is narratively powerful. Scott fills a sort of similar role to Peter Parker, the relatable regular dude just trying to get through the day so he can see his family. Scott having his own "see you in a minute" would be a brutal but narratively effective ending.
Yep and it would set up Cassie's one and only important character arc from the comics.
That's also not incorrect, it's kinda her only well known thing besides the fact she died. I imagine they're gonna change a lot about her.
Tbf Scott’s Giant-Man form and an army of those giant ants wouldn’t be totally out of place there
I'll just be happy to see Thor and Loki get a chance to have a chat if that's possible.
Given Loki’s current situation I wonder if Thor will have any issue being able to physically touch Loki or not 🥺
You just know that first, "Brotha", is gonna hit us a right slap bang in the feels.
Thor being Thor will throw a cup at him or something. Loki being the Loki he now will let it hit him.
Show not tell shit here 👍
The sun must shine on the sons of Odin once more. Even if it's in Valhalla.
Would be kinda weird though because while it's our Thor with our experiences it's not our Thor's Loki with their shared experiences - sure this Super Loki has done a speedrun through the Infinity Saga in 4k, but it kinda feels like Holland Peter meeting Maguire Peter's MJ. Multiverse stuff is weird.
I have a whole essay about this ready to go because I’ve had this exact discussion about Thor and Loki 2.0 like three times in the past week lol if you’re interested I can copy paste my whole explanation hahaha
But the TL;DR is that Thor and Loki 2.0 had a relationship for over 1000 years before the events of the MCU and before the timeline split in 2012. it’ll still be profoundly meaningful for these two to meet and interact. the whole variant situation in their specific case is very, very unique from any other we’ve seen thus far and is prime for a bittersweet and touching catharsis for the both of them
TL:DR is that Thor and Loki 2.0 had a relationship for over 1000 years before the events of the MCU and before the timeline split in 2012
Yea, but they don't share that very important shared trauma of actually witnessing their mother and father dying, the 2 of them reconciling in Ragnarök and Loki eventually actually sacrificing himself - let alone how Thor wouldn't have any proper understanding of what brought this exact Loki to this exact moment.
Like, yea, in the grand scheme of things, this Loki Variant has missed about 10 years in a grand total of like 1,500 years they've spent together - but I'd argue that those exact 10 years are some very integral years to their relationship.
Like, it certainly wouldn't ruin the moment in the movie entirely... but it'd simply not be as awesome as it could be if we weren't talking about clones from different dimensions. It'll probably still turn out to be a neat moment... but still weird.
I’m about to sleep but I will return later to address your points in a friendly but passionate manner lol
I'm choosing to ignore that. I know its not the same Loki... but we ain't getting another one. Unless... time travel happens again. But that seems like a stretch.
Don’t think the set photo confirms this imo. The set photo showed Falcon, Thing, Black Panther and US Agent. No where there does it say these group of people are together. Someone says the Thing stays with a group consisting Walker, but that’s really it
And even the Black Panther* thing is an assumption based on part of a foot, right?
Falcon, Thing and US Agent are together.
Black Panther's foot is just on the side, which means she might not be filming for this scene, but be on set to film a different scene on a nearby stage.
But yeah, this isn't any huge evidence, I just thought it was interesting how these 3 particular characters are together in this photo and in the leak.
Doesn't the Thing being there kind of go against the leak? Like the leak doesn't say anything about he Fantastic Four splitting up.
Read my description. Someone else on the spoilers sub also corroborated the leak and clarified that only Reed and Sue go to the X-Men universe because Doom has abducted their son, while Ben and Johnny stay behind.
I’ve been reading the comments like, “umm, no it doesn’t.” Glad someone else sees it
It seems like the avengers are much more organized this time around
And it still won't be enough against the machinations of Doom.
seems like The Avengers and The New Avengerz fix their issue so easily, barely an inconvenience
It's interesting that Ms. Marvel isn't in this rescue mission for Monica since she was part of that plotline and had an emotional connection to getting her back in The Marvels.
I think the Champions will be teased a bit, but ultimately sidelined/forced not to participate in some way. Then when Secret Wars swings around and all their idols have lost, they'll be one of the groups to step up and help. Sort of like how Ant-Man was for Endgame. A useful piece not used in the first half that becomes vital in the second half.
Probably Champions series sandwiched between Doomsday and Secret Wars.
I do wonder if they do that. It could backfire hugely if it goes bad and they make it important. But if the show is really good it may give all three projects another boost as perhaps a perfect complimenting piece and extra exploration of battleworld.
I'm guessing the Champions have a small role in this, if they have one at all.
America seems like the most likely one to have a bit bigger role, but the rest will likely not be seen again until either Secret Wars or their show (which hopefully comes out in 2027 and shows what they were up to during Doomsday)
If the art leak is true the champions have their role to play in the next movie alongside Peter and White Vision.
All the young heroes were conveniently left out of the cast reveal. This leads me to believe that all the heroes will be gone by the end of Doomsday and we will get a “New Avengers protocol” type of thing where all the young heroes have to step up and protect Earth while the big leagues are missing.
She's still a child, essentially. I can totally see the older members choosing to keep her out of such a dangerous mission.
That group of characters sounds awesome.
All I want is an interaction between Thor and Loki
So, no Deadpool?
I mean Ryan did said that he doesn't think Deadpool should appea at least yet, because Ryan feels having Wade join the Avengers proper means we are at the end of his story
He will probably be in the X-Men team.
He doesn't make sense in an avengers movie
Lol leaders, muscle...and Ant-Man.
Reading the plot makes me think this movie better open up with a voice over saying “Previously on Dragon Ball Z the Marvel Cinematic Universe”
And then bongos play.
Sorcerers lead by... fucking Wong again
Sounds lame. Why isn't Dr Strange himself leading the charge? In fact why do these leaks not mention Strange at all. Its weird how intent Marvel is on sidelining him over Wong.
Last time we saw him he was jumping to another dimension, so... I guess it's just a side story before the next avengers?
Either DS3 between Avengers films or he's a POV in Secret Wars maybe?
Strange is off with Clea, stopping Incursions. There's a large chance he's not in Doomsday. There's also a chance Dr. Strange 3 will come out between Doomsday and Secret Wars and explain his absence like with Ant-Man and the Wasp between IW and EG
Theres a few characters noticeably missing in the leaks/leadup. One web slinger most notably. Theres a process, trust it
Some characters were bound to sit out this one and be in secret wars like hawkeye and antman in infinity war
Couldnt possibly give less of a fuck about Wong.
Hes a fine tertiary character to drop a great sarcastic quip once a phase, but that should be the extent of his involvement.
He is a supporting character to the Doctor Strange side of Marvel. These movies can’t just have main characters. Some need to be side characters.
Not the first time a hero has sat out in one of the movies, ant man and hawkeye sat out infinity war
My knowledge on mutants is limited but.. With this kinda team doom would need to deploy most of the omega level mutants or not?
Seems like it could be a movie for itself without any other plotthreads
I wonder how they're going to get Namor to not only join Shuri & a bunch of other people he's never met, but travel to another reality with them?
Honestly, we have enough pieces in play that I could see Strange or someone setting up a ‘pseudo-Illuminati’. Strange and Clea probably went to deal with an incursion in the MoM post-credits, so they’ll gather the team/nation leaders like Cap, Bucky, Reed, Shuri, & Namor. Shuri seems way more likely to go with the incursion plan, so I think Sam will reject the plan (assuming it involves sacrificing the other realities) to serve as his defining ‘Captain America’ moment. It’s also a convenient in-universe excuse for “let’s all introduce ourselves and give a brief summary of our backstories” that’s gonna have to happen for ppl that haven’t watched every D+ show.
Edit: forgot some team leaders like Captain Marvel & such, but there’s a lot of wiggle room for the actual lineup. Maybe sacred timeline Black Bolt will make his return and finally acknowledge the Inhumans show lmao
Group A for Doom
Group B for nameless CGI army
Got it.
Group B for the xmen, mislead by doom
Do yall not watch movies? Lol.
Not every single character needs to be a main character or one of significance. There needs to be background and side characters too.
Do yall not watch movies? Lol.
Not every single character needs to be a main character or one of significance. There needs to be background and side characters too.
The leak was unnecessary because that's been the formula since Infinity War.
What other MCU movie did that?
Ooh, a salty double poster!
I think my theory on that we'll get Victor in FF: First Steps has more weight:
I think that we will get RDJ as simply "Victor"/"Victor von (Doom)" in the Fantastic Four movie. But he's stranded when Reed cannot save their reality and manages to get his family aboard the Lifeboat.
Victor is betrayed but manages to survive and goes on a quest to exact revenge on the guy who stranded him in a dying reality by choosing family over friendship.
Maybe it isn't even "Victor von Doom" but, "Victor Stark" etc. the point is that RDJ is 100% iron man, but my theory says that MCU-616 is the sacred timeline because there never was a "Doom" because in the "Sacred Timeline" instead of Doom they got our MCU Tony Stark. He's an outlier. He's a Doom variant.
It also explains why Kang was allowed to thrive in this corner of the multiverse. Because along the "Sacred timeline" a Doom never occurred because the Doom was Tony/Iron Man instead of the Dr. Doom he should've been.
Now though, by Reed saving his family and Franklin, (who is potentially a mutant of Beyonder level power), Doom could have a pathway to usurp power on a multiversal scale, by killing Loki and becoming the God-Emperor of the entire Multiverse.
When they announced these movies, the Russos explicitly called him Victor Von Doom
Isn’t this just a more complicated plot rehash of infinity war?
No, this and Infinity War is a rehash of Scooby Doo lmao. Infinity War did not invent the concept of splitting up.
I mean two avengers teams one in space/ different world the remaining earthbound avengers team up with the army of wakanda and fight the big bads army seems very similar to the plot of infinity war
There are a lot of heroes in Marvel, they aren’t gonna be in one place. Wakanda is a very significant country in lore so obviously their army will be involved. Its like calling Avengers a rehash of Spiderman because it is in New York.
Having important people in different places is not a special thing.
I don’t think your comprehending what I’m saying
I comprehend it very well and it sounds very stupid.
Your taking it very personally dude you can be in denial but it sounds very similar to the structure of infinity war
People calling you out doesn’t mean they are taking it personally. Just means you are wrong lol.
One guy refusing to look at the similarities doesn’t mean I’m wrong lol but then calling it stupid would imply you are taking it personally… it’s okay bro
Wakanda is one of the strongest/most technically advanced civilizations on Earth that has an army.
In any event involving a serious threat of an enemy attacking Earth with their own army, it makes sense to involve Wakanda. And since a lot of their tech is kept secret/within confines of Wakanda, involving them means having the battle take place in/near Wakanda.
That’s true but that doesn’t make it not similar to the events in infinity war
Is Spider-Man in this movie? I thought he was going to be in it after they delayed it for 6 months.
Rumors say he and Dr. Strange are not in the movie.
I hope not. I thought he was going to be a lead in these movies to not be there at all. Especially if Spider-Man comes out 6 months before Doomsday.
They are defending the earth agaisnt the x men
where are kate bishop and ms marvel 😭
I’m assuming them and Spiderman (The Young Avengers) are a separate team leading into Secret Wars. They said the avengers/characters which don’t get featured in Doomsday will play more of role in the next one. We’ve already seen the concept art from Secret Wars with some of them sitting at table with Starlord while (most likely) battle world is happening.
So how are they going to "find" the TVA? its not like you can just randomly stumble upon it.
(I wish it would be Sylvie who rounds up some of these folks to defend Loki but alas, it seems they've forgotten she exists.)
Mcu not doing anything with characters they build up to be super important will never not be disappointing. Not the first time it would happen and certainly not the last. I really hope that's not the case though. She literally started all of what is gonna happen and it makes sense to have her be one of the most important characters in the film but the fact that eric martin forgot she was once an actual character in s2 (she is supposedly a co-lead in s2) has me very skeptical about her future.
She literally started all of what is gonna happen and it makes sense to have her be one of the most important characters in the film
My thoughts exactly.
but the fact that eric martin forgot she was once an actual character in s2
Flames. On the side of my face. What a waste of a character and actress.
Probably Deadpool and Wolverine. Or maybe the TVA finds them.
I think you should post the photos and not 47 paragraphs without it. Super annoying.
The photo has already been posted and is already in the front page of the sub
It seems that in the leaked photo there is Black Panther (Shuri)'s foot. It's not clear, but this would be against this theory.
This sounds wild.
I’m probably going to do what I did with the infinity saga and let this movie hype up all the ones I skipped and watch those afterwards, just in time for the next big movie (secret wars, right?)
Sounds like walker ghost and red guardians are canon fodder like I thought lmfao
I mean let’s face it, they are side characters so they will not be the focus of the main plot.
Yelena is the new Widow and successor to her sister Natasha, Bucky is quite possibly the greatest soldier that’s ever lived not counting Steve of course and Sentry/Void is a force of Nature that can compete with all of Marvel’s heavy hitters like Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel etc…
So spider man is after avengers?
We don't know. Probably not though.
Only because you mention a certain character, previously not confirmed in the movie, who’s also suggested/rumored to be in Brand New Day. Spider man being a prequel to Doomsday feels odd, I know that happened with AM&TW, but they needed to build a plot device to carry into Endgame.
Brand New Day comes out before Doomsday, so why would it take place after it? And I don't see how Hulk reportedly being in both has anything to do with it.
There was a rumor that I don't know if it's true that BND would take place simultaneously with Doomsday.
Can people just be surprised for once?
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Bruh just way too many characters. It's already hard enough seeing as this is the first time the majority of these characters are interacting but why are they making all the teams so big. I enjoyed Thunderbolts but I think they should've just sat this one out, there's too many other more major characters to incorporate and then having to try and incorporate this other massive team.
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I'd prefer they actually follow through with the threads left from old movies than to just dump anything fans didn't go out in droves to see.
it's not so much that people care about her, but she just happened to be the one that got stuck in the other universe and started the incursion
whether people care about her or not is irrelevant to the fact that she technically starts the incursions, which means that she is an important plot point
Because she's stuck in the other universe and that is causing the incursion.
Remember at the end of Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness Clea arrives to talk to Doctor Strange and she says that his movements into other Universes have caused an incursion.
I believe even if one person goes to another universe that affects the universe & can cause an incursion.
Probably because she ends up in the other universe, her being there kicks off the start of an incursion. It could have been any character really, doesn't matter who, if they ended up in a universe that isn't their own, events play out the same.
Did you watch The Marvels? If she wasn't trapped in another universe then they'd have no reason to travel to the Foxverse.
She’s a plot device here
So what should they do? Dump that dangling thread which was clearly always meant to be an Avengers set up?
Bottom 3 is a crazy take.
Box-office wise, The Marvels is absolutely, undeniably a bottom three MCU movie. Freaking The Incredible Hulk made more money than The Marvels.
If they meant that then I would agree but I assumed OP meant it was a top 3 bad movie which I would put it above the first Captain Marvel easily and that already kicks it out of the bottom 3.
I hate to say but that’s a pretty lame team. And nobody really cares much about Monica so centering the mission around her is not so interesting
Sounds like Marvel is trying to do another Endgame without any of the leg work. I am not the least bit hopeful it’ll work as anything other than a big spectacle.
What are you even talking about? They have set up all of these things.
The 2 Avengers teams, the Fantastic Four and Franklin's importance will be introduced in their own movie, Monica trapped in another universe, Incursions and the Multiverse collapsing, Loki and the TVA's role in the Multiverse etc etc
Everything apart from Doom has been set up very, very well.
Imagine we got all the phase 1 movies (no avengers) and GoTG 1 then jumped straight to Infinity War. It’s the same thing here:
Avengers team is “set up” but hasn’t faced a lower level threat.
GoTG is a side team like F4 and tangentially sets up the big bad.
The only difference is that Marvel spent the last 5 years spinning their wheels going “The multiverse is collapsing” and “They’re coming!”. Except they’re now pivoting to a Hail Mary that RDJ as Doom will make up for the fact he was not set up at all.
Then we jump straight to a big finale. It’s absolutely baffling.
Not to mention that practically no one saw The Marvels so hinging part of the plot on Monica is insane.
I have very little faith in this movie based on the action figures colliding plot and it’s not helped by the last 5 years of MCU output.
I know I’m going against the grain on this sub but everything about this feels cynical.
It’s obvious they should have done something like this instead of going straight to Doomsday:
F4 comes out and they arrive in MCU timeline
Small scale Avengers threat (like an Ultron) instead of doomsday and that doesn’t have anything to do with the multiverse but builds friction between Avengers/Thunderbolts/F4
Antman/Marvels/Shang-Chi movie tying up Kang loose ends and laying the groundwork for the brewing Monica/X-men plotline and some signs of incursions permanently affecting the MCU world. Marvels and Shang-Chi have the bangles/rings as Kang artifacts. Marvels and Antman are damaged brands but Shang Chi could bolster it. Sprinkle some F4 in to help do some multiverse/quantum realm stuff at the beginning and nod to the avengers with the Captain Marvel and Shang Chi connections.
Dr Strange movie tying up the loose ends of his last movie with some cameos from Mr Fantastic, Bruce, and Shuri as a council trying to tackle the incursion problem.
A Thunderbolts 2 or Thunderbolts heavy movie slotted somewhere in there.
Then you do a Doomsday.
Stuff is set up but none of it ties together in a cohesive manner. My copium is that they are going to release an infinity war style movie (filmed alongside Doomsday) before Doomsday and is the reason for the 6 month delay because they’d be stupid to go right into it. There’s some runway but they need to make sure it’s enough for Doomsday to fly. The casting of RDJ as Doom makes me think they know they didn’t do enough.
The first 2 Avengers movies hardly did any build up to Infinity War other than having Infinity Stones (Tesseract wasn’t even planned at the time) and having spooky 3 second moments to tell us Thanos exists. That is unnecessary.
We have established characters, we have established teams, the concept of the multiverse explored in, Spiderman No Way Home, Doctor Strange 2, both seasons of Loki, Deadpool and Wolverine, and a brief cliffhanger in the Marvels, and soon enough, in the Fantastic Four who are directly connected to the main villain, Doctor Doom.
The pieces are set up. You aren’t taking in the content and are just looking at numbers, which is entirely why so many projects weren’t received well. You are part of the problem. You are asking for quantity over quality. The Avengers movies have what they need so stop acting like everything is DOOMed because it wasn’t as linear as the Infinity Saga.
Just sitting here laughing at all the doubters
We’re still doubting Kevin Feige?
There are a lot of good ideas for all of these movies. What matters is the execution.
Don’t know what this has to do with what I said. But yes.
It is not time to celebrate. This sounds interesting but we need to actually see it first.
I meant the doubters of the MCU in general. Feige isn’t going to let these movies be bad
mods should ban set leaks
The OP is a mod lol.
Lolll omg.
part of the problem
Sounds like a Disney+ avengers level movie but I’ll still go watch 👍👍🤟
Captain Marvel ain't coming back.
Thor Carol AND sentry?? Who is attacking loki bro 😭😭
Doom himself probably
That's not nearly enough to handle DOOM.
Who wins, DOOM or the Doom Slayer (Doom 2016-present)?
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Doom Slayer kills DOOM and leaves, only for the aftercredits scene to reveal that it was only a Doombot and the real DOOM has been in his castle the whole time brooding over Reed Richards winning some science fair award back when they were in the 4th grade or something.
🤣🤣🤣 Doom is so petty. I love him
MF Doom
All caps when you spell the man's name
we still doing this corny ass shit?
is doom just like the marvel final boss or something?
I know a little bit about the one above all
but a lot of comments I see here make it sound like Doom is unstoppable.
He's powerful enough that on multiple occasions he has used trickery and intelligence to steal tons of cosmic power, and he's done a bunch of crazy shit over the years that only Dr Doom could do once you get a better handle on his characterization and attitude
His repeated fatal flaw is terminal arrogance and inability to even consider that he might not have the right of it, which usually results in him miscalculating or overestimating how much cosmic power he can handle and things going off the rails.
The classic secret wars comic will probably have nothing to do with this, but it's still a fun story worth a read that has Doom doing that among a bunch of other crazy shit.
He's a Gary stu and the writers and fans annoyingly play into it.
DOOM is definitely one of Marvel Comics' bigger threats. He's every bit as intelligent as Reed Richards, a tech genius who can rival Tony Stark, a sorcerer on par with Doctor Strange, and is the ruler of a small country that loves(?) him. He's also incredibly arrogant, which more often than not has been his downfall. Simply put, DOOM is powerful enough that he can be and has been his own major comic event.
Reed is smarter than doom, Tony is better when it comes to engineering, his tech is better, but doom is smarter overall, and he is not on par with dr strange in magic man what the hell are you talking about 😭😭
He was the main villain of secret wars 2015 yes but that was with a huge buff, and it ends with him admitting that Reed would have done a better job in his position.
Normally he’s a high level threat yea, but he’s a fantastic 4 villain and gets his ass whooped by them regularly. He isn’t Thanos or some shit bruh, secret wars 2015 is goated but it did some irreversible damage due to people who haven’t read it seeing so much out of context shit from it.
It doesn’t sound like you’ve read shit with him ngl bro
Doom glazers are such a loser because this is correct.
Fr why bro got downvote , normal dr doom would had to go extreme diff with like of thanos in fight
Secret war doom is his strongest version not his standard
Current Doom's run as world leader as him failing at a task that was the duty of every Sorcerer Supreme, Earth gets invaded by Dormammu, his Hail Mary is "the heroes will help me win for it's better than letting Dormammu win", and in the end he finds one way to link keeping Dormammu imprisoned to still ruling or the enemy gets released again.
Instead of keeping proper wards in place like every Sorcerer Supreme before him did.
The comic tried to sell it as Doom being a genius and awesome and a great victory. All I saw was dumb arrogance & blackmail...
I mean dude ripped Thanos spine from his body 😭
With powers that weren’t his. It’s not like he does that every day, most days he gets slumped by the F4 on their own
Sentry? Not enough? Interesting.
Not even, I imagine a doom bot is doing this then they defeat the bot at a great cost only to realize bro wasn’t even there for real
Part 1: Doom bot and fighting to get to doom Part 2: Doombots and Doom
Doom is that powerful he can beat those 3 godly beings single handedly?
From my understanding, yes
I don't think people understand how OP Dr Doom is even without being God Doom. I'm guessing he wants to use Franklin to change the multiverse
Yeah, Doom is like, a genuine BBEG of Marvel, to use TTRPG language.
Bro once took on the Avengers, Young Avengers, and X-Men all at once and nearly won.
He also regularly got his ass whooped by the Fantastic Four. Let’s not glaze him TOO much.
Outsmarted maybe but def not ass whooped lmfao
When the Thing physically confronts him, Doom often recovers or escapes. (Plot armor, since it’s clear Thing can beat him unless Doom can access powerful magic.)
The ultimate resolution is usually strategic or psychological, though.
Those are always Doom-Bots
Not always, no. FF#60, the Unthinkable storyline, and FF#200 are examples I can think of off the top of my head where it’s definitely the real Doom being defeated.
Sorry, I’m kind of joking. A lot of people will just say “oh it was a Doom-Bot” to explain away defeats. Even Marvel has done it, as a form of retconning.
He ripped out Thanos' spine. People aren't ready
"If one wishes to play at being a god, one should not shy away from saying it."
"I am God."
I kinda hope they show that but I doubt they will
Same, I hate how it's so overlooked. What an insanely bold response.
I’d almost bet that they replace thanos with Kang in this scene.
They made a point in Loki season 1, especially, to show that Kang was leagues above where thanos was. Doom has to project the same power and importance in this.
Loki still thinks Kang is the biggest threat to the multiverse- so he’s scouring the multiverse finding Kang variants and taking them out. He finally thinks he found the ultimate kang, travels there only to witness this exchange. And then watches doom rip kangs spine out.
Would be an extremely tension building opening scene to the movie
True, but that was God Emperor Doom which is without question the most powerful we’ve ever seen Doom, and is pretty much the most powerful “non divine” character we’ve ever seen. Not only did he rip out Thanos’ spine, he barely lifted a finger and killed Cyclops wielding the Phoenix Force.
Yeah but while he was mega wanked in secret wars, I thought we are talking about when he’s not buffed. Thanos is a much larger threat than him 99% of the time.
Secret Wars is when he gained that power so it's safe to assume he will get some kind of power. Maybe not on this scale but what's a better way to show how powerful someone is then killing a villain that wiped out half the universe
They're not gonna introduce OP Doom straight away otherwise that's a waste of the character
To be fair, they've wasted a lot of characters. But if rumors are true that Doom kidnaps Franklin, he will be looking to get power quickly.
Don’t think sentry is going to be comfortable letting loose his power after thunderbolts. Carol and Thor though should be on the same level.
They aren’t having him on the Avengers team if he isn’t gonna use his powers. He is gonna be their hidden card. When all hope is lost, they unleash the Sentry.
Id bet theyre gonna pull a similar stunt when they had to convince Sentry to fight Worldbreaker Hulk
I was thinking having Bruce and Bob on the same team would open up the opportunity for Bob to get some "mentoring" regarding having to live with a nuclear-powered alternate personality inside him.
My thought was that Doom would manipulate Bob into unleashing the void and destroying the reality that would be incursion-ing on the main one. But this may not be the case.
I feel like dooms gonna have a cabal or definitely some heavy hitters variants on his side i saw a evil thor rumor
Doom who will probably lose but win
‘Dr Doom Who’ would be badass af and surely completely unstoppable.
Doom probably
…and two Hulks.
who’s thor carol?
Doom being turbowanked