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[Durando] Nikola Jokic has informed the Nuggets he will not sign a contract extension this offseason, team sources told The Denver Post, as the three-time MVP intends to wait until next summer to engage in contract talks.
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Nikola Jokic has informed the Nuggets he will not sign a contract extension this offseason, team sources told The Denver Post, as the three-time MVP intends to wait until next summer to engage in contract talks.
Jokic has a minimum of two years remaining on his current supermax contract, as well as a player option for the 2027-28 season. Tuesday was the first day he was eligible for an extension that would add up to three years and $212 million to that deal.
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I think this was the expected outcome right? He stands to make more by waiting another season.
yes but this won't stop the media from cranking out "JOKIC DECLINES EXTENSION, SHOULD THE NUGGETS TRADE HIM FOR AUSTIN REAVES AND A 1ST ROUND PICK"?
Having rooted for a team with Giannis for years, they need much, much, much less than this to manufacture those news cycles lmao
WHY WASNT THE FREAK AT MILWAUKEE’S MOP BOY’S ROOMMATE’S NEPHEW’S BAR MITZVAH TROUBLE IN PARADISE PERHAPS?!?!?
I love how this implies, for the first time ever, that Milwaukee is paradise
Oh, so you think it's "just a coincidence" that Giannis ate fries from an LA-based burger chain?
LEBRON IS EXERCISING IN HIS HOME STATE, PLEASE ADVISE.
Giannis: sneezes
Big Market Hive: HE’S A WARRIOR/LAKER/KNICK
I just can't be sure that Giannis wants to be in Milwaukee until he signs his THIRD supermax extension
giannis lost out on money by doing the opposite of what jokic just did and signing his last extension early -- but the media still gave him/the-team zero credit for that and immediately started talking about how he might still demand a trade
Ah yes but have you considered he could still demand a trade??? Checkmate Bucks fans.
Did you notice Giannis was picking out the YELLOW skittles? That's Lakers color BAYBEE
I saw a post on instagram today that claimed Giannis was about to leave because he looked “too happy” in his vacation photos.
There are always those with Jokic focusing on his horses too. How could someone have more than one hobby?
Is it bad that im kinda relieve its jokic now
Nuggets need a center to replace him
D ayton and a first sounds better
I know a certain Panathinaikos center that could help with this
Best I can do is Kleber
Only if Denver throws in a couple of first rounders
Obviously you don’t know ball
When these headlines start rolling “Nuggets” won’t be in them:
JOKIC DECLINES EXTENSION, SHOULD THE LAKERS TRADE REAVES FOR JOKIC???
Who says no?? That sounds fair to me
I'm glad Shai signed the extension early so we dont have to hear that shit lol
Laughs in Greek
Can we even blame them anymore when they just landed Doncic for scraps?
Yes, this was expected. It will probably throw the media into a tailspin because they have nothing else to talk about, though.
It's the "get more guaranteed years on the books right now vs an extra guaranteed year later in his career" decision. If he sees himself playing until age 38 or older, signing now was the smarter decision because of how the extensions would line up with the over-38 rule, but it's not some humongous blunder to pass on an extension this year.
NBA contracts are a fucking mystery to me, this shit is way too confusing
Jokic is extension eligible because it's been 3 years since his signed his current supermax extension. The maximum extension years is (6- years left on current contract). He currently has 3 years left, including a player option. If he signs this year, he converts his 2027-28 player option year to a guaranteed year, plus 2 more years, so the contract would run through 2029-30. By not signing this year, he will still be eligible to sign an extension next summer which could add 4 years instead of 3 (because he has one fewer year left on the existing contract). Or he could wait all the way to just before he has to decide on his player option in 2027 to sign a 5 year extension. The numbers would look bigger the longer he waits, but that only matters if he doesn't get another contract afterwards.
The over-38 rule is to close a loophole that allowed teams to pay players into retirement as a way to circumvent the salary cap. If a player turns 38 by the beginning of the season (October 1), that contract year counts for the over-38 rule. Contract lengths are truncated to 3 years (including existing+extension years) once a player is age 38+; the Lakers couldn't sign Lebron to a 5 year deal this year even if they wanted to, and Paul George was up for grabs last year because a 5 year contract from the Clippers would have fallen afoul of the over-38 rule. For Jokic, he turns 38 in February of 2033, so the 2033-24 season is the first year the over-38 rule applies to him.
If the most important thing to Jokic is to keep drawing a max salary for as many years as possible, signing this year was the way to go. An extension this year would have guaranteed him through his age-35 season, while ensuring he'd be extension-eligible in 2028. At that point, he could sign another 3 year extension that would take him through his age-38 season. By waiting, he'll only be able to sign a 2 year extension in 2028, because a 3 year extension would mean a 5 year contract+age 38 rule, which is a no-go.
I'm not exactly sure why Jokic wants to wait. I doubt it's because he wants to leave, and I doubt it's because his agents don't know about the over-38 rule. Maybe he just wants to wait and see how things transpire before making a committment.
This was actually super helpful, thank you!
No problem. Nerding out on the CBA is one of my hobbies; if I met Larry Coon in person, I'd probably fanboy about how an amateur computer scientist turned digesting the legalese of the CBA from a hobby to a full fledged business.
LMAO the players' association literally just links to his website? Actual GOAT
the over 38 rule was a good point by OP, hadnt thought of that
basically its a provision to prevent teams from rigging contracts for old players, because you could give them a cheaper long-term deal (ie 4yr/40m instead of 2yr/40 market rate) knowing they were gonna retire a couple years into the contract — and somehow still collect the salary post-retirement
thats where it gets a little weird bc the assumption is that the player would still get to keep their salary after retiring. but maybe if the player was forced to medically retire (ie too old to play), that would be a example
but what the Over 38 rule does is frontload the initial years of the contract — before the player turns 38 — with the full salary (ie a 4 yr/40m deal, would be $40m across the 1st 3 years, $0 in the 4th year). that way if a player retires in year 4, theres no cap loophole, all the money got paid out prior.
so for a player like Jokic, that would decimate his team's cap if he's still collecting 35% of the cap supermaxes during the extension that would take him over the age of 38 after this upcoming extension. because, for example, a 4 year max would be frontloaded over the first 3 years (or up until he turns 38), instead of across 4.
yeah but this is reddit so he’s actually demanding to be traded to the lakers
Better say it louder before the vultures come
The only thing that will get the media to stop talking about Giannis leaving is if they can talk about Jokic leaving lol
How much more would he make? And is it just adding more years onto his contract or is it actual more money a year if he waits
I think he wants to wait and see how the team looks a year from now. He doesnt have to negotiate over money, His agent just sits down with the Nuggets and says "So max?"
Not really? Just adds an extra year. So technically yeah in total but he’s signing the 35% anyway so functionally it’s no different if he signs now and extends at the earliest possible moment again the next chance.
I think.
Doesn't he qualify for a full NTC if he waits? I would want one after hearing my GM casually mention trading me when asked an unrelated question
If he hits FA I think he would but he’d need to wait an extra year. Something like you can’t get one added with an extension, you have to hit FA and sign a “new” deal.
Smart. Barring a catastrophic injury he's still going to get the extension next summer if he wants it. And this way he can use it as leverage to force them to put a better team around him.
Even if he gets hurt he gets it brought them a ring and is the whole horse that pulls the wagon.
Jokic is the Nuggets goat, he’s getting whatever contract he wants lol.
Same with Curry. Dude could be 50 and washed beyond belief, but GS will offer him max extension and won’t trade him.
Curry would get that bc Golden state ownership gets that. Lakers got it with Kobe, Dirk got it with Mavs.
But Hakeem, wade, so on and on. Loyalty is an exception not a rule in this league and the players know that
The Spurs waived Duncan instead of him retiring, so he could get the remainder of his contract.
And then there’s the Celtics
Justice for Isaiah
Imagine Grampa Curry dozing off on the bench and he’s still the highest paid player on the team
Chewing on his dentures.
With Curry though, he's literally made the ownership more money than they could ever contractually pay him back, which might not be true for any other player in the history of the league.
Jordan
Definitely Jordan. Magic and Bird made the NBA relevant, Jordan made it a global phenomenon. Curry made the Warriors ownership tons of money, Jordan made EVERY team owner tons of money. That's why the Bulls paid him $30 mil when the highest paid players in the league were making $10-15 mil.
In 96-97 Jordan was making more than 50% of the Bulls ENTIRE payroll. He made more than every other player on the team combined. His salary that year was equal to the ENTIRE payroll of the 8th highest payroll in the league.
Going by that last stat, that would be equal to one player making $228,000,000 just for the 25-26 season.
So we got 228/82 = 2.78... Imagine playing one early regular season game of basketball, getting off the court, and getting handed roughly $2.7M
Even going by the 50% of the Bulls payroll, the Bulls were obviously the highest payroll in 97, that would be the equivalent of $132 mil...Or going by 2x the next highest player in 97 that would be equivalent to 118 million. No matter how you cut it Jordan was PAID in the 96-97 season and that's without the Nike endorsements.
Lakers gave Kobe that $50 million contract when he was way washed. No doubt Jokic gets his until the end of time.
have you met Shrewd Stan?
Loyalty is an exception in this league, not the rule
Even if he tears his Achilles next season he’s getting a super max. KD got it when he was much older after his.
Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed he's going to get the maximum unless something career ending happens
We saw that injuries don’t matter with KD and Kyrie.
Hold on to your horses.. this man just provided NBA media with so much speculation content.
Bro pulled a Valanciunas
Excuse me. I think you mean a Mirotic.
At least it’s not us and Giannis for once.
ESPN will still make it us and Giannis
It’s a story if he declines next year
He's not going to decline next year because going to free agency will cost him more than he's giving up right now. He loses the super max if he doesn't sign it with the Nuggets. If it goes sideways he's taking the money then asking for a trade
This is just setup for when he signs the full 5-year supermax in 2027, which with the salary cap growing to $200M+, he could find himself a:
5-years $400M+ contract with Denver.
He’d be making $70M to $90M a year then.
That’s about enough to build the most elite equestrian ranch in the world along with maybe 5 proven champions racehorses and breed them.
He would even have enough money to pay me to train his horses
and enough money to pay me to breed his horses, wait what-
No, keep going
Sombor is about to be the new site for the Kentucky Derby
But I always hear how Jokic wants to retire early and ride horses.
I mean...With his current contract he will have already made over $400,000,000 not counting endorsements. He ALREADY has fuck you money. He'll just have double fuck you money after the extension.
It is crazy that some basketball players are gonna make more then entire MLB teams payrolls (fuck Bob nutting all my homies hate em)
My GOAT Shohei Ohtani signed a $700M/10 years contract last year, but he deferred most of it for after the ten years. Amazing act of trust on his part in the Dodgers. He only asked for $2M/year for those 10 years.
That way, if he chooses to retire from MLB and dedicate his time to his wife and Ohtani Jr., he will be relaxing at home and collecting $68M/year for the next 10 years.
So he is gonna be on the Dodgers payroll for the next 19 years.
Right now, I believe his housing, food, and almost everything else is being for by the Dodgers too with his $2M, so he is kinda chilling lol
Bro downloaded that new horse girl racing game and is rethinking everything.
I unironically think that just because Jokic also plays League of Legends, he isn't above trying out Uma Musume. I'd fucking hold out too for a super duper max if I see how fucking hilarious the horse girls in that game are.
Rev up those trade machines
I think the Lakers fans are already creaming themselves lol
We can’t possibly have Jokic.
We don’t have enough to pay for my ideal lineup in 2027: 1 Luka - 2 Wemby - 3 Jokic - 4 Giannis - 5 Ayton. 😗
DominAyton the 🐐
Jokic for Reaves and a 1st.
Nico Harrison's greatest crime was validating these sorts of trade proposals for the next decade
not to mention legitimizing trading away your star player and getting the No.1 pick as compensation from the NBA.... funny how that used to be a conspiracy theory, now it's the new normal....
“Maybe Adam silver with force them to trade us Jokic at gunpoint like they did Luka.”
- Trade Reaves to OKC for 2 Nuggets picks
- In 2026 offseason, offer 5 first round picks for Jokic (2 Nuggets picks, 3 Lakers picks) Have Luka tamper with Jokic so that he makes the Lakers his preferred 2027 destination, so other teams don't beat that offer.
Don't forget landing Wemby in 2027
Keep going, im almost there
Rui, Austin and Kleber welcome to Denver /s
How about Murray plus Bruce Brown for Luka?
He’s a Laker unfortunately
edit: Jesus fellas do I have to slap a /s on this bad boy
Imagine if Luka and Jokic team up in Laker uniforms. This sub would collectively cream themselves.
I’m not even a Lakers fan and I’d still cream. That’d be a fun duo to watch
i would rather watch my own toenails be removed with an ice cream scoop
I know a guy
Basically the reincarnation of Luka Magic Johnson and Cream Abdul Jabbar
This is not news. It doesn't make financial sense for him to get an extension now.
when will Shams start posting about Jokic “considering his options”?
The best is this year when Sham's said that he specifically said "for the FIRST TIME he is considering his options." So if that is true it means the 1000's of speculative "reports" that were previously on ESPN for the past decade were all false, or he is wrong this time or a combination of the two.
Jokic to the Pelicans.
The league once again working behind the scenes to help New Orleans continue its run of domination.
I enjoy all the Jokic to Lakers jokes but its annoying how many casuals actually believe it will happen lol
Fat Euro Lakers
Fat Euro Lakers
Hey Nikola! Did you know that Phoenix allows occupant-owned horses on residential properties 10,000sq ft or higher?
OKC has a horse track just 10 minutes from the Arena, & I just heard that OKC Nikola said your horses are slow. OKC will trade him & 50% stake in Remington Park.
Nuggets: “wanna sign a contract extension?”
Jokic: “Neigh”
Good for him. He shouldn’t let them off the hook. Keep options open, and get more money later on.
5 years 1 billion dollars next summer.
Nice.
Buying a Jokic Lakers jersey as we speak 🗣️
Nuggets, you pay him whatever he wants, right? No way you let a generational talent walk.
Trade him for 5 young prospects and 8 FRPs I want chaos
Haha trade him for a package so big two other teams have to share him.
Oh ESPN gonna have a field day with this.
As a free agent, he can sign an extra year with the nuggets compared to signing with other teams under the Bird rights rule, and he will also have the advantage of higher salary cap.
Prolly about to be retire to become a horse racer
I would too if I could get damn near half a billion by waiting
The obvious answer is he’s just gonna sign it next offseason, buuuuttttt a LOT can happen in a year. Ijs 🤷🏽♂️
Pulling a McDavid
nikola and luka duo LA?
He think he Schroeder
People always joke around that Jokic doesn't really care about basketball, but you could see his frustration in the losses this past playoffs
The man just wants to be with his horses
Every NBA team will offer their finest horse for joker
That man gonna get the super duper max
They’re gonna have to make a 3rd apron after he re-signs next year
The Horse Max
Wonder if Jokic plays Uma Musume: Pretty Derby on his phone.
You don't need a Supermax deal, you need a bratty Latina girlfriend that wore Cookie Monster pajama pants to school in 2011
I’m interested
+2
Egg sighting in the wild!
Jokic x Uma Musume collab event when
Jokic would have bet his super max contract on Gold Ship on the 2015 Takarazuka Kinen
What is this Uma Musume resurgence? I’ve seen it referenced in multiple threads and keep getting videos recommended on Youtube and Instagram about it.
The Global (English) version recently released
Here I thought it’s been out for a couple years.
There's been several anime since 2018 that have had English releases, but the game itself was Japan only until a few days ago.
This game is fucking everywhere man I think every sub I've been on has mentioned it.He'd have probably signed the extension now to make sure that he has enough to whale for Kitasan Black.
He’ll wait for modding that replaces the girls with actual horses
The Seabiscuit apron
They maxing his horses too
They’re gonna have to put a clause in the new CBA about how many horses a player is allowed to receive as compensation
Equine super max
Caballo contract
Sir, a third apron has hit the Nuggets.
He can tear his achilles, meniscus, acl this season and i think he should still get it
I really really hope that doesn't happen but it's not like his game relies on explosive movements. Him and KD's games are so skillful they could play this game until the sun burns out i swear
Everyone always says this but every NBA player has some elite type of athleticism that you either see or don’t see.
I didn't say he isn't athletic. His hand-eye coordination is unmatched and he's very intelligent with his court movement. He just doesn't rely on quick twitch muscles that eventually wear out or get injured.
Still have to jog up and down the court and he’s carrying a lot of weight. Eventually things stop working. I went to a game ESPN was covering and for Jalen Rose walking up the stairs looked like a fairly explosive move.
as in good or bad? and would you consider recording a video demonstrating this action? (cause i can't visualize this)
He looks like he’s boxing the invisible man out. Or he did that night. Seemed painful
When the athleticism doesn’t pop out on screen (like with guys like Wall, Westbrook, Rose), you can usually get back to pre injury form without missing a step.
It's actually the opposite. The guys who have an abundance of athleticism are the ones who can afford to lose it. Now Jokic is an outlier, but these guys who come into the league solely based on skill, once they lose a touch of their athleticism find their way out of the league.
Yeah, usually with super skilled but unathletic guards especially, once they lose some athleticism they can't get separation any more.
But like KD, I think Jokic is big enough that even if he loses athleticism, he can shoot over guys and see everything.
Plot twist: he finishes out his contract and retires to be in Serbia with his horses. He has more than enough money to last multiple lifetimes.
$75M/year can buy a lot of horses.
Explain how
Money can be exchanged for goods and services
Is the horse a goods or service?
both, i guess
No, he's a horsie :)
Depends on what you plan on doing to them.
Why can't I have zero kids and three monies.
Lisa needs braces
Dental plan!
Lisa needs braces
Dental plan!!
Dental plan
Lisa needs braces
Thanks Homer brain
WOOHOO!
When a man horse loves a lady horse….
Plot twist: Jokic loves basketball and just pretends he doesn't. Otherwise he would have coasted long ago, he wouldn't be one of the best to ever play
He absolutely loves basketball. Other players have talked about how many games he watches. The question imo is if he is willing to put up with everything else that comes with being a star in the NBA when he really wants a simpler life.
Horses ain't a simpler life But I feel you
They are when you have over $400,000,000 in the bank.
He could pay 10 people a million dollars a year each to do the hard shit and his wealth would still increase just on interest alone.
It is not that difficult to avoid some of the BS if you want to. Stay off social media, keep your answers to the media boring, stay out of trouble, don't bother doing commericals and all the other bullshit.
He will make $70 mil a year, he doesn't need to bother with being in a movie, filming a bunch of commercials, or forming an investment group in silicon valley. He can literally just put a good portion of his salary into a boring ass ETF and he will eventually be a billionaire anyway.
He can have someone cook his meals, drive him to practice, stay in five star hotels, and just avoid the ancillary BS. Yes, the media will talk about him sometimes, you don't have to listen to it, or join a podcast and participate in the BS.
The idea that Jokic doesn't love basketball is ridiculous. That said, he definitely could love horsies even more
Too many folks think you have to be an asshole like Kobe or Jordan to demonstrate your devotion to basketball.
Seriously I feel like the Nuggets have to be extra careful to keep him happy for this very reason.
like massage parlor happy or just put good players on the team happy?
Like sending hus horses to massage parlours happy.
Plot twist. He goes to play with JV in Greece. Lol
sick of hearing this bullshit every time Jokic news pop up, he clearly loves basketball
Ultra instinct max
Is $100 million a year a thing? If not it might be by time he signs.
That’ll probably be Wemby, and SGA/Luka on their next contracts in 3-4 years. Jokic is 30 after all.
I guess the top 5 guys in the league in 2032 will all earn close to that.
MUCHO MAX
MACHO MAX
MA-CHO MA-CHO MAAAAXXX
ALL THE HORSES
That's how he will feed all of those horses of his.
"I got a stable to feed"
Sprewell catching strays lol
Makes you wonder how his game will age. He's never relied on quickness and athleticism but eventually his defense will be a big issue, especially on switching etc. That's basically what made Tim Duncan retire, he just couldn't switch all the time, especially against the Warriors when they were at their peak
Duncan was like 40 when he retired. I think Denver would be thrilled if jokic had that career longevity
And Duncan was still like a top 50 player until his last season in the NBA
As long as Denver puts athletic guys around him, like AG, Braun, etc, he's got many years ahead.
Lol I mean Duncan made All-Defense the year before he retired. I think it had more to do with him being 40.