Can’t wait to see this man cuss out Ayton next season
This is basically what Monty and CP3 did to him the year DominAyton had his best career year and was a key piece in the Suns making the Finals. Folks keep confusing the frustration and yelling to be a bad thing.
Deandre is a good player but he needs to be yelled at by players he respects. Guys like JJ, Luka, and LeBron can yell at Ayton and will get the best performance out of him.
At least this is what I repeat to myself every morning in the shower.
And abruptly “mic drop” after each interview / aka walk away without any pleasantries, thinking it looks badass (it doesn’t).
Yall find a reason to hate everyone lmao
It’s actually something I like about JJ. He protects himself and his players from bad faith actors in the media.
I wish he’d have held Stephen ass smith more accountable while he was on espn.
People are addicted to outrage. Welcome to the internet
They’re a suns fan, the last time they had hope was before we swept them
He's flippin the long table, gonna crush the entire front row media to send a signal during preseason.
JJ was the change in ESPN we all wanted to see
I’m glad we’re past it tbh. This sub OD’d on JJ first take clips for a few months it was terrible.
Yeah im so glad were back to seeing who can scream louder between perk and Stephen a
It bothers me how close perk looks to dying on air sometimes
You could like... not watch it.
I dont watch it, doesnt mean i can't still think the show fucking sucks now and appreciate what JJ brought to it when he was on
I dont care about the show one bit. It was annoying that clips from the show were the only content on this sub for well over a month
Off season is a bitch!
Seriously
eh who cares... JJ was great in moments like this clip, were he wasnt taking himself too seriously and playing a dbag character and leaning into being a heel...
but the majority of his takes were incredibly sanctimonious, self serious, righteous outrage, annoying ass shit where he was typically complaining about strawman/bad faith arguments that barely even existed in real life outside of his OWN sphere of loud talking heads spewing controversy for views, and he was constantly saying shit that was incredibly condescending to the average fan/sports viewer that they basically dont know what the fuck theyre watching and they need to shut the fuck up and sit their asses down and LISTEN. and constantly screaming about "the media" despite literally being the media lol
he was incredibly grating most of the time and loved the smell of his own intellectually stimulating farts
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Theres actually substance in the things JJ screams
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You and I have vastly different definitions of the word funny
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Okay buddy. JJ is literally the head coach of an NBA team but no youre right he doesnt have anything of substance to say
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I mean all the ESPN sports show clips are pretty terrible. I would rather a dude be pretentious but actually be talking sense than the usual nonsense
Oh I’m with you it was more the fact that this sub was almost exclusively first take clips for an offseason
Funny how there's such a obvious common thread on the things the sub ODs on but they'll deny it to the death.
Uploads First Take clip
Too bad he can’t coach in playoffs
First time head coach.
bout to be last time head coach
Incredibly small sample size.
Bro the lakers are ass ain’t no one coaching that team to a WCF
Ham did 🤔
And they got swept…
I feel like mad dog basketball ‘takes’ were the equivalent to when boomer parents gave advice on how to get a job and they said, “just go in and ask the manager.”
“Just tell them you’re a hard worker and that you won’t take no for an answer”
MAD dog and Stephen ass smith are to basketball what rabies are to a cute puppy.
Mad dog and Stephen ass are to humanity what antibiotics resistant gonorrhea is to a prostitute.
This hit waaaaaaay too hard. I fucking did that too once and they were like, 'Yea, just go online and fill out the application'.
I gotta admit it worked for me in high school in 2003 haha
This prick on the right looks like SNL doing skip bayless
Skip Bayless is SNL doing Mad Dog, don't get it twisted.
Lock in, lock in, get it twisted
If you lock in you can do anything...mother fucker
respect mad dog
I can't imagine anyone other than 50+ year old white guys having any reason to respect mad dog in 2025.
My man
My 90 year old grandmother takes edibles too. I guess in this day and age that doesn't move the needle much for me either way.
Very specific with the color…so edgy.
I mean he's an old white guy calling himself mad dog, I can never respect that
I don’t think I will
This is correct
JJ was too good for that show lol
You’d think it was a sign that you can have people that can get REALLY angry and also know more about basketball than there’s this bouncy thing you have to bounce… but nah.
How many people like that are out there? To both know basketball and can play into being an expressive media personality?
If the billion dollar corporation can’t find them, that’s their fault, and it’s REALLY their fault when they prioritize loud idiots instead.
I didn't mean it in a way to justify ESPN. I'm just wondering who fits all of that criteria. Most of the people who I watch talk about basketball aren't really suited to be front and center in front of a camera in that way.
JJ in ESPN was a PROBLEM 🔥🔥
Stop
streets will never forget 🔥🔥💯
This is an active NBA Head Coach guys...
So?
Do you prefer a politacally correct bum like Dave Fizdale?
JJ on First Take was the best rebuttal to Stephen A non sense we have ever seen, and MOST of what he was saying was common sense, that's how bad Stephen A was.
One day people will realize Reddick was deliberately hamming it up for TV just like Stephen A.
I mean that’s clearly obvious?
tell OP
Dude it was an ironic post lol
I don't think you know what the word ironic means.
Did you mean sarcastic?
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
Don’t take everything literally. Title was mimicking Bill Simmons’ shtick of “HE WAS A PROBLEM”
fair enough
This video made it pretty clear lol. He cut a Ric Flair-esque promo sunglasses and all to kick off the show.
title indicates otherwise
No it doesn’t. You tried to be an ass and call someone out and it didn’t work. Move on
lol
The guy wearing shades indoors on live TV is playing a character?!
Bob Cousy, the anti-ethical hoops free throw merchant that he was, went 30-32 from the free throw line in the next game including 18 free throws in overtime lmao
But sure, SGA ruined basketball
Thats all basketball was in those days. Elgin Baylors 71 point games was majority free throws
ESPN is trash. Corny ass brain rot
My favorite was him putting Perk in a blender (not super difficult) with just the most basic rebuttals to his dogshit takes. Could tell it drove him nuts.
Jj was coked up 😂😂
The “plumbers and firemen” line is immortal and iconic. In 30 years on TV, SAS will never produce a moment as memorable as that, and JJ did it in two seasons.
WEEEEEEED
WHO WAS ON CRACK!!!
Respect where it’s due.
Kwamayyyyy Brown
Ok I dislike SAS as much as the next guy but in terms of memorable moments no one is beating him in basketball media
listen man, you gotta STAY OFF THE WEEDUH
What an awful take
nephew take
Cool man enjoy that podcast with Dana Barros talking about how he’d score 25 ppg today
saying the same dumb line that people have been saying on internet forums for 15+ years is not immortal and iconic.
JJ can say anything and the podcast crowd who never watches basketball will gargle it with their entire souls.
Funniest and most biting take ever. Nobody tells it like it is like JJ!
How is it immortal and iconic lol? It is the same terrible argument said by casuals who have never watched basketball before 2010. I wonder if other sport fans shit on the past generations as much as NBA fans.
They don’t. You can’t even get baseball fans, who have a much better argument for current players wiping the floor with ones from previous generations, disrespect the older generation like that. Football, hockey, soccer, same shit. Only basketball fans disrespect the people who lead the way for the current era and it’s so weird.
hot take culture just really clicked with nba fans
There’s a pretty big gap between Bob Cousy and 2010. Stats were inflated in the 1960s because of 120 possession games. As far as the line, nobody ever said it on TV before or used those words, and people will remember it much longer than 99.999% of the garbage that espn puts on the airwaves.
Rasho Nesteroviccccc
"JJ's not good enough to say that"...now THAT's a terrible take. this sub wouldn't exist if people who aren't as good as Jerry West couldn't have opinions. Just look at the numbers. Jerry West was the best player in that era, but he was playing against guys who could barely shoot 40% from the field. Look at the highlights, they're throwing up stupid looking hook shots and totally out of control. The old heads are just jealous because of where contract sizes are now, and that's fine. I'd be pissed too. But the average NBA rotation player today is smoking the average player in 1965.
"JJ's not good enough to say that"...now THAT's a terrible take. this sub wouldn't exist if people who aren't as good as Jerry West couldn't have opinions
No one is saying you can't have opinions but to go out of your way to just dismiss the people who paved the way for you is stupid. Players today aren't just born inherently better at basketball, they're doing what they're doing because people like Bob Cousy paved the way for a fledgling sport to become an international spectacle.
And like people have said in this thread, only basketball has this problem. Baseball players aren't shitting on Hank Aaron.
That’s because Sandy Koufax threw 100 mph with nasty movement.
but he was playing against guys who could barely shoot 40% from the field. Look at the highlights, they're throwing up stupid looking hook shots and totally out of control.
I know you haven’t been arguing in good faith in this thread and are probably just rage baiting like Redick was with the “firefighters and plumbers” line (and I know that you won’t respond to this comment), but I’ll bite anyways.
Average fg% during West’s 14 year career was 44.15%. The average fg% during Redick’s 15 year career was 45.69%
Is a difference of 1.54 percentage points (over this many decades…) that crazy? Now, you might say “well, more and more threes = lower overall fg%” and you would be correct, but… as mentioned in my other comment (that you ignored because it completely dismantled your argument) there are a good amount of reasons for the fg% being lower, primarily the way the game was officiated (a very high pace is another). These links are, for the most part, youtube shorts, so you can watch them even if you are short on time. If you want to have a basic understanding of the way the game used to be officiated then you should watch them:
You couldn’t back someone down in the post without being called for an offensive foul
You could hardly cross over without being called for palming
You would get called for a charge for simply driving into the lane
Legal 50s, 60s and 70s NBA defense. As if strict dribbling and footwork wasnt tough enough
NBA traveling call from 1969. Majority of todays step backs weren’t allowed!
NBA charge calls were STRICT in 1969. Defenders could slide into your path! No stiff arming!
Why NBA bigs like Bill Russell shot lower% in the 1960s? These offensive fouls reduced high% shots
DYK: The Shaq bump and backdown was not allowed in the Wilt Chamberlain era?
NBA guards had it TOUGH in the 1960s. Arm-bar checks and bodying shooters for blocks was LEGAL
NBA History lesson: Off arm usage used to be illegal. Now it’s rewarded with and-1’s
NBA History Lesson: 1950s and 60s players had lower field goal percentages in part - due to rules!
Offensive fouls in the Wilt Chamberlain era made downhill drives impossible!!
To put it in a single sentence: whereas the modern NBA is officiated so the offense has every possible advantage, the complete opposite is true for the 60s, of course the fg% will be lower.
“JJ's not good enough to say that"...now THAT's a terrible take. this sub wouldn't exist if people who aren't as good as Jerry West couldn't have opinions.
Like u/FigNo507 said, it isn’t about whether someone is allowed to have an opinion or not, it’s about how dismissing the people who came before you is completely idiotic.
The old heads are just jealous because of where contract sizes are now, and that's fine. I'd be pissed too.
It’s not jealousy to defend yourself from someone shitting on you. If you want to go that route, then is Redick jealous that Cousy is in the hall of fame and, like West said, Redick was just a role player?
But the average NBA rotation player today is smoking the average player in 1965.
This isn’t the gotcha you think it is and no one even disagrees with it. Though I suppose one could say if the game was played in the 60s (with the corresponding officiating in the links you probably didn’t click on) then one side will be at quite the disadvantage.
Also it’s literally the whole point that is going over your head. Every generation builds off the previous one. Of course the average player today will be better than six fucking decades ago. It will be the same six decades from now.
Ok, I’m happy to address this piece by piece.
Starting with the simplest part, I didn’t ignore your prior comment, I actually responded to it. To suggest that someone never watched basketball before 2010 because of a comment about players from the 50s and 60s is hyperbolic and not really cogent. It’s almost impossible to respond to, but I did anyway.
Second, I agree with you, the relatively narrow difference in FG% between the early NBA (let’s call it the West era, because he seems to be the spokesperson for it, and admittedly is the era’s most reputable advocate for a number of legitimate reasons too long to count) is mostly explained by 3s. A strong 2 point FG% today is in the mid-50s, and to be considered a value-added interior scorer, a player needs to be above 68% from inside 3 feet. I think the comparatively low FG% in the 60s on 2s and interior shots is due partly to rules (which I’ll address as you did) and partly to shot selection. Perhaps this was influenced by allowed contact, but every clip of this era is littered with poorly conceived wild shots (often hook shots as I wrote) that would get a player benched today. The game evolved. A 99th percentile athlete in 1965 was still a 99th percentile athlete, and that is to be acknowledged and praised. But they weren’t doing things on the offensive end that would be considered sound basketball today
On rules, while contact by the defender has been gradually phased out, defensive schemes have also evolved to bring challenges to shooters and ball handlers. Close outs are more aggressive, and rotations are tighter and more timely. One of the recurring points players from the 80s and 90s make is that they fundamentally did not believe in switching. They believed if you couldn’t guard your man 1x1, then it was his right to score on you. It was a matter of pride. Charles Oakley called switching “the girl way” in a podcast. They are correct, defensive rotations and switching are a challenge for the offense, and if defenders didn’t want to rotate off their man as a matter of pride, well that’s an offset for the contact rules that have changed. But it’s just one example. Teams also now alternate between man and zone, which was not allowed then as you know and which is something today’s players on offense must deal with that their predecessors didn’t.
Look, if you think what Redick said was just disrespectful, that’s your opinion. This post is about television anyway, not even really about the game itself. But Redick’s comment was undoubtably memorable and made for better TV than what the rest of First Dump put out there.
Also, it’s worth emphasizing that JJ’s comment was a response to Dog’s comment on Cousy, who isn’t even a contemporary of Jerry West. Cousy wasn’t playing in 1965, so most of what I said and what you said isn’t even relevant. It’s possible JJ was being hyper specific about the era and wouldn’t call players in the 60s firemen and plumbers. He was taking about the 50s!
JJ in ESPN was what people wanted to see and not the bs we get today
Everyone in this clip is insufferable.
laugh a little
Stephen A, Mad Dog, and JJ are all extremely annoying.
Sports "journalism" is so fucking bad nowadays. I cannot believe that literally anybody tunes in to that garbage
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
If only JJ was that charismatic …usually he was just such a prick to listen to…
Menace just means loud asshole
Slapped together an outfit from 1977.
JJ should come back occasionally to cook SAS
Lol he was one of the last redeeming personalities (analysts/broadcasters) ESPN had to offer. Glad he got out of there.
I've never seen Doggy on the backfoot like this
Bro went to duke and actually went to his classes like a fucking psychopath
This is why we need SAS as the Knicks coach, and a Knicks-Lakers Finals
"JJ Redick's job is the same job as SAS. JJ Redick is a MENACE at doing his job on the sound bite farm." They're like Crossfire from the 90s or Shannon and Bailis" Them sniping at each other is the point. I mean just look at that screenshot. It's a hot take clown show.
Yes sir this is recent history, most know lol
JJ needs to do some guest appearances. Miss his subtle shit talking.
Mad Dog yelling about John Havlicek was peak sports radio
DIDIEVERTELLYOUHOWGOODHAVLICEKWAS
His talk with that moron Perk about the MVP voters being racist and voting Jokic is all time
JJ was among the best on TV and he didn’t look stressed out. Now he’s an average coach who is going to have a mental breakdown after consecutive losses.
I know I'm definitely in the minority but I never really liked how disrespectful he was to the older guys.
I would like for you to expound on this point
But I will say JJ was defending many people around his age group and a little younger let’s do a 10 year time gap from 84-94 that’s JJ age group and mine as well (91 baby)
Passing down traditions and history and teaching the youth what right looks like and what great basketball players or musicians or artist in general should be commended and is appreciated
But the anger that comes with being taught this and loving the history of what came before us and then slowly our elders saying
You’ll never be better all music is trash now and all sports are soft in comparison. To what we seen before you knuckleheads were born
And also blaming us for it like we didn’t get our style and swagger from our elders
Nullifies all that our elders taught us and also misrepresents that us knuckleheads based our whole life trying to be good enough for our elders
JJ probably like most of us got mad at hearing that and spoke obviously from anger and arrogance but also from a place like cmon our history is dope but give the youth room to create their own and you can do that while still keeping tradition and passing down that history
To the kids to the grandkids etc etc
I do that for my kids now I’ll show them old footage of LeBron or Jordan or Dr. J on the music side I’ll show them the isleys or Boyz II Men or B2K different generations all before theirs while also learning about what they like
Better than Russo constantly making references to shit that happened 30 years before anyone else on set was born.
Better TV personality than coach imo
Hopefully the new owners get rid of him so he can go back to doing this type of shtick.
Charmin soft.
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Nope. No it isnt.
In what way lmao
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Its a generic statement meaning to humble someone.
The only possible way to put a racial spin on this is to go out of your way to apply it.
Bob Cousy was white
Dude are you serious? This is such an insane jump to make. Usually all SAS guests were afraid to check him when he would start spouting some nonsensical take. JJ was the only not afraid to get in his face and push back
JJ was the only not afraid to get in his face and push back
It's hilarious that you think this is what was happening when SAS is practically the entire network. It's all in the programming.
I saw a lot ppl on who would bite their tongue against SAS. Unlike Max Kellerman JJ had his own successful media company. JJ didn’t need ESPN. Like Pat McAfee ESPN was desperate to have JJ in their network
Sure, but it's all a part of the program. The business decides which formats work or don't. If SAS had any problem with JJ he would have thrown a wrench in it. It's a story as old as time.
"What he say fuck me for?" Bob Cousy
At least he went 12/12 at the line
edit: 44 FTs for the Celtics vs 58 for the Nationals god damn lol
Was Bob Cousy a free throw merchant?
He does hold the record for most FTM in a game with 30/32 FTM/FTA lol
Quadruple overtime, though. He played 66 minutes in that game.
66 minutes?! Goddamn.
Thibodeau coaching in the wrong era
The White Jokic
It really says something about the game's intensity in that era. Everyone on the court would faint if a game were to go to 4OT today (keep in mind we have tons of timeouts and ads and shit for them to have extra rest) and then those ancient head could just rest for 2 minutes for the whole game.
Nuggets and Blazers played a 4OT game during the 2019 playoffs. Jokic logged 65 minutes and CJ McCollum had the high for the Blazers with 60.
This series was amazing
I'm pretty sure that game was played at a high level of intensity. It was a playoff elimination game.
Edit: Also, that was one of the craziest games in the history of the league. 12 guys fouled out. There were multiple fights and ejections (including Syracuse star Dolph Schayes), and when the police came on the court to break things up, players fought with the police. Syracuse had guys end up with 7 fouls because they couldn't foul out because the team wouldn't have had five guys to keep playing.
High level relative to their own time of course, but definitely not compared to what we see today
What's that even mean? Guys were playing hard to win the game. You think that competing is something invented in 2015 or something?
The thunder took 21 more shots in game 7 than the Celtics took in that game despite it going to quadruple overtime. It’s not really that hard to grasp
Does the word "intensity" escape your attention span or what? You can't tell me with a straight face that basketball was played with the same pace and physicality as today.
Partially because players are miles more athletic, skill level is miles higher, and because of that higher skill level you have better tactics such as wide spacing you do a lot more slashing and running rather then squeezing the paint.
Players from both teams would flop if a ref made a call for a fourth overtime today
Which is reasonable tbh, look at what happens in a top level soccer game if the game goes to extra time. If you don't grab any chance to catch up your breath you're an idiot.
Thibs would’ve thrived as a coach in those times
4 OT is insane Those players had to feel like they were close to passing out by the end of it.
And to think that a good portion of the players had to have a second job after the season was over
I was about to slander him so crazy before i saw this bit
Homie still alive too lol
Cousy Catching strays 70 years later