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Alligator Alcatraz detainees allege inhumane conditions at immigration detention center
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Tents and cages in a swamp. During hurricane season. Inhumane barely scratches the surface.
Apparently its an accident if someone dies by totally predictable natural disasters. Unless you setup camp in an empty riverbed while rain is in the forecast. Thats a tragedy.
Their next camp will be in a Texas floodplain, watch.
FEMA has the flood data and maps of all of the low areas. They know exactly where it is most dangerous to build.
These assholes watching the natural disasters for ideas to do to detainees: "write that down, write that down!"
Deserts with no water access
That's my prediction. Death Valley Alcatraz.
"Oh no, the air conditioning in the detainees tents failed over the weekend and the backup hasn't been installed yet, "
Fuck, I hate that you’re probably right.
Of course, that will help them with their scheme to drain the operation funds from FEMA. (source)
It will cost Florida approximately $450 million to run the facility for one year, according officials.
Florida will submit reimbursement requests to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), according to DHS which said FEMA has roughly $625 million in Shelter and Services Program funds that can be allocated for this effort.
It is so appalling that emergency aid for sheltering meant for when people lose their homes is instead being used to rip people out of their homes.
450 million for a series of tents and chain link fences that is similar to what most music festivals construct in like a week. Not even the whole festival, just like the badge pickup and merch stand and maybe some of the food stalls. For 450 million dollars.
$450 million that was supposed to be used to help Floridians get shelter after our homes get wrecked by hurricanes. Wouldn't be the first time this governor stole money that was meant for us.
Oh so this is one of the FEMA camps they lost their minds about under Obama. As usual, it's just more projection.
I hate this as much as the next guy, but we should be accurate about facts, so I am adding more info here. The Shelter and Services program is funding that comes from DHS's budget and is administered by FEMA. It is specifically allocated by congress to provide housing and other services to immigrants requesting asylum. This is not FEMA disaster relief money and spending it on that would be illegal. FEMA is only involved because of their expertise and contacts with local organizations who provide these services. (Which is, apparently, no longer needed because we're going to just stuff them into inhumane government detention camps in swamps.)
Specifically, this is the program the Republicans were bitching about under the Biden administration that was placing asylum seekers in hotel rooms, instead of being spent on hurricane relief after Helene.
They didn't put it in a swamp to keep people in. They put it in a swamp to keep people out. Namely media, lawyers, rights advocates.
It's in the Everglades to keep heat off the eventual atrocities that will occur.
I think another inescapable horror is that leaving the lights on 24 hours is DEVASTATING to the local ecosystem. The lights are so bright they can be seen from 15 miles away. It's so desperately sad that they are doing this in an incredibly fragile ecosystem. It's torture to the individuals caged their and the animals that live nearby.
It’s also psychological torture for the people being kept here. It means extreme sleep deprivation.
During the hottest summer in human history
BUT it'll probably be the coolest in the next 10 years!
"Back when I was 30 you could go outside." OH GRANDPA, you're telling stories again.
"And we lived above ground, too!"
"Tell me again of the 'crops', Grandpapa."
"Why, in the beforetimes, food used to grow right in the ground! You'd pull it out when it was done, and cook it up."
"Oh, Grandpapa! Such stories."
I’m sure there’s no temperature control in that giant tin warehouse. Probably be 110 with 120% humidity on a good day. Maybe the goal is for occupants of the concentration camp to request slavery just to get out of hell
This is a full-on concentration camp and everyone fucking knows it: even the vendors supplying services and materials are literally masking over their identifying marks and logos because they know they’re basically supplying a modern concentration camp on U.S. soil.
Where’s the tipping point?
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Not only do they know it, many Republicans are fucking JOKING ABOUT IT.
Tipping point ? In the US ? Puh-lease !
Too inconvenient, organizing is socialism and maybe complaining loud enough will inspire someone else to do something.
Watch what’s been happening in Serbia these past weeks, and maybe start emulating. It’s not going to be quick and easy. All the freedom slogans and self hypnosis won’t help. It’s waaay past that, now.
The Portland sub is a great example. Everyone cheering on the grandma's and toddlers at the No Kings demonstration but talking shit about all the people who were a mile away at the ICE detention center saying they deserved to be arrested. People were posting pictures of bicycle police "marching in solidarity" when in reality they were headed down to the ICE center to declare a riot
It should have happened Jan 6 2021, but it didn't because we're being drip fed into accepting fascism.
2025, where we have a live streamed genocide from one country, and live streamed concentration camps from another.
Don't forget the live streamed horrific WW1 style trench warfare as a result of a pointless brutal war of imperialist expansion happening to another country. History sure is rhyming.
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Not the first time that happens in the USA. That doesn't make it better, though. Fuck these fascist pigs.
Let’s be real, it’s gotten to this point and half of Americans basically don’t care. Shit is not changing
To the shock of absolutely no one…
You mean the thing that was clearly made to make people suffer is making people suffer???
"They took the Bible I had and they said here there is no right to religion. And my Bible is the one thing that keeps my faith, and now I'm losing my faith," he said.
And you know the people who support this think of themselves as "good Christians"
The one thing I was allowed to have in Jail was a "Religious item" I had on prayer beads at the time of my arrest and they asked if I used them to pray. I said no. I could have kept them.
This is a blatant erasure of natural human rights
Edit: it seems that suggesting humans have the natural right to food, water, and the right to believe what they want in terms of religion, has made a bunch of people upset. Shocking.
I don't believe they think that. I think they know that they're doing evil things and don't give a fuck.
Silly brown people thinking Jesus is for them, everyone knows Jesus was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white man from Alabama.
with a fully kitted out assault rifle, and was known for his utter apathy to anything except the almighty dollar, USA USA USA!
That whole thing with the moneychangers in the church? It's all because they weren't changing everything to US dollars, so sayeth the lord.
"They only brought a meal once a day and it had maggots. They never take off the lights for 24 hours. The mosquitoes are as big as elephants," La Figura said.
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No water for showers and no food.
this reads like an excerpt from a letter that escaped Auschwitz.
Like actually, I don't think there's a fundamental difference here.
These camps will be swept away in hurricanes, and there will be a severely defunded FEMA trying to save them. FEMA was defunded by the administration who built the concentration camp in a hurricane-prone swamp. This all looks incredibly intentional.
Post hurricane, they will rebuild the facilities exactly where they stood. literal rinse, repeat until hurricane season is over.
Mark my words: It won't be gas chambers they'll use for this genocide. It will be 'unpreventable natural disasters' and 'we did everything we could to save the prisoners, but they're prisoners, so do they really deserve saving compared to others trapped by the hurricanes?'.
I mean, they already did that in New Orleans during Katrina. Over 600 inmates were abandoned in the prisons throughout the city and left to die or starve in the aftermath.
Here are some testimonials from inmates who actually survived. It is amazing that they are still here to tell their stories.
https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/document/asset_upload_file26_21697.pdf
How is that possible? It's been open for literally a week. This would imply to me they sourced maggots to intentionally make the food unpalatable.
Edit: after some replies and searching, seems plausible.
A week is more than enough for food to spoil. Maggots love hot and humid weather.
Probably Aramark
This is actually barbaric.
The not turning the lights off is something that CECOT brags about
Ya that's just a shit thing they do in all jails/prisons now. All have lights 24/7 even during "lights out" shit sucks
It's for "safety" reasons - so they can easily see prisoners in their beds.
But we know it's really all about the psychological torture.
And attracting mosquitoes. don't forget about the oopsies y'all got tropical diseases all by accident. Sorry no CDC or medical help.
It is, though in a multi-factor way given that the experience of being subjected to constant but ambiguous scrutiny/observation is also psychological torture.
“I told you once that I was searching for the nature of evil. I think I’ve come close to defining it: a lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants. A genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow man. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.” ― G. M. Gilbert
There’s a guy I like on TikTok named Jesse Crosson who was in prison for almost twenty years before he received clemency, and he spent the last few months of his time before that still in prison during Covid. He said once a very popular book in his prison, and I guess by extension a lot of American prisons, is Stephen King’s “The Stand.” He said it’s for one image in particular: all the CO’s and administrators die because of the superflu which leaves the prisoners to starve to death in their cells. During Covid, Jesse said there was real panic they’d be left to rot there.
I remember hearing that and despite hating the prisons in this country, I just couldn’t ever believe something like that would ever happen. We wouldn’t let it happen. We’re better than that.
Alligator Auschwitz is designed to fail, literally. A hurricane will annihilate this place. It’s designed to massacre people through whatever ancillary and extrajudicial systems they can think of to kill others. They’ll leave them there the moment they can. Jesse and the prisoners got it better than us: they know what these authority figures will do if given the chance. They’ll leave them all to die.
I can almost guarantee if this place falls because of hurricanes, conservatives are gonna say “it’s sad but they wouldn’t have died if they were in their own country”
That’s exactly what conservatives will say. People need to accept that a lot of Americans really want this level of cruelty in our country.
I have... a lot of people who calm to be christians are what I think is the exact opposite of that. They want to only hurt.
They arent just going to say it, they already did. Look at Texas. They are blaming God for the flood.
The irony, blaming God for a flood that killed mostly "white evangelical children". Like by their own standards if God uses disasters as "punishment" against sin, then what does that say about what evangelicals are doing? But no, these people refuse to think critically about their own beliefs.
God had to punish them because they didn't hate the gays and the trans people hard enough. There. Simple as that.
Happened during hurricane Katrina
Aligator Auschwitz. Please use correct name.
DeSantis Dachau
Bondi Buchenwald
No need for funny names when you can just call it the Miami concentration camp.
The cruelty is the point.
I'm pretty sure that was the main draw for using the place. What's even sadder is this will probably be used as a blueprint across the country.
Yep, as with everything the right does, cruelty is the point.
They won't be across the country. They'll be dotted around places with the worst weather conditions. By design.
Texas floodplains or cold spots in the winter. Death Valley. Where in California gets all those wildfires?
Not sad. Infuriating.
Are the people held there criminals? How do we know? Were they given due process? If they are undocumented, which country's insane asylum were they released from? Why aren't we holding the countries responsible for letting them out of the asylums? Because that's true right? Cuz DJT said it was, right? Right?
The article says that a lot of them have their residency paperwork.
We are about to see a Human Rights envoy from the UN, at least I hope so. Maybe they can also look at our prisons too.
Yeah, right. The UN is not going to do shit. We need to be realistic here.
Can you imagine the mosquitos? How long before they have a degue or malaria outbreak?
CBS and all the major news orgs can fuck right off with these headlines. They have to be intentionally burying stories with these lukewarm headlines, knowing how important word choice is for visibility.
immigration detention center
Concentration camp
CBS is swallowing regime cock with their headline
I wonder if other nations will start putting sanctions on us?
I hope so.
I hope they do it soon.
In Canada, you cannot claim asylum as a refugee if you're coming from America.
That may need revisiting.
This is what happens when so many millions of people give their hearts and minds to a political party that is lying to them constantly for 50 years. This started decades ago and the GOP has a voter base that has descended right down into hell for them. All while claiming they’re 100% righteous. It’s a really ghastly thing to bear witness to, that these people can simultaneously be so EVIL, while claiming they are perfectly GOOD.
This has happened in many countries all over the world. You just thought it could not happen in “the land of the free”
The people doing this have no humanity
Because it’s a concentration camp in a flooded swamp
With hurricanes or basic storms its going to be a deadly mess
I still think thats to kind to call them its a death camp.
The humidity and the mosquitos have got to be insane. No access to water, people are going to die there.
Now's a good time to remember that Anne Frank wasn't killed in a gas chamber, she died of typhus due to unclean drinking water in her camp.
If you’re in ill health chronic or temporary you’ll die or lose life expectancy and pick up new health issues. If youre in good health you’ll deteriorate fast and if that doesn’t kill you it’ll lead to life long health issues or cut your life expectancy significantly
Well yeah that’s entirely the point, make things inhumane so they die of “natural causes” absolutely disgusting
Call it for what it is, a concentration camp
Thats “Mission Accomplished” to this administration. It was the plan. The cruelty is by design.
The goddamn name is unethical nonsense
I wasn't expecting ethical conditions for one minute. Not even for the employees
Allege? C’mon the pictures show how shitty the wire cages are.
This is why some are calling it Alligator Auschwitz.
By design I bet. They want people to deteriorate in health. Lose life expectancy. Also to scare people into signing their rights to leave and never return. To be willing to leave assets behind or sell them cheap to get out alive. Or work as slaves for food that was previously denied. Also due to how ‘anything goes’ cruelest wannabe serial killers and rapists will voluntarily guard this place to get away with whatever they want.
Wasn’t the whole point to be inhumane?
Seems like they wanna use the weather as the way to kill people in this concentration camp.
Also I can guarantee you their aren't any horrible criminals in there and theres probably Americans that got shoved in.
The person running it joked about feeding the entire Hispanic population to alligators last week.
If this place doesn’t get torn down, we’re culpable in a holocaust.
Be real. The people sent to this concentration camp are intended to be killed.
They just don't want to pull the trigger yet.
They are waiting for a hurricane to destroy the camp and kill the people.
Then when there is no outcry about that, they start the mass killings, because the media and public will think it is ok now
Concentration camps aren’t known for their humane facilities.
Quit calling it Alligator Alcatraz that is the cutie name Maggots like. Call it A concentration camp like it is.
Placed in one of the most humid & hot states, prone to flooding and awful weather. They dont need gas chambers. They want nature to do the dirty work for them......
Commandant DeathSantis runs a cruel concentration camp.
He’s been having dreams about getting back to this since his Guantanamo days
Want to have a laugh? This cost $450 million. Tent, chainlink fences and bunk bed cots.
They're not even pretending to hide their stuffed pockets.
they literally let it be called that. Happily. Of course it’s going to be terrible
This is so unbelievably fucked up. Like they really have it that name.
90 years ago, without smartphones, internet or social media, people were able to do something
Small things, little things, but they did something
Read about them, learn about what they did and if you feel ready for the possible outcome, try to help your fellow humans who are in dire need
I believe you can gladly ask for some names on here if you want to know more about them (like Gertrud Koch, Edelweißpiraten, Weiße Rose and many more)
You can do it, USA, you need to!
They built this before they fixed the water in Flint Michigan?
Direct parallels to 1930's Germany. The military is now stopping people for their papers in LA right now.
It's a concentration camp, and should he called it.
Well yeah, it's a concentration camp. The people are supposed to die miserably. That is what the GOP wants anyway, one step closer to their Final Solution.
Concentration camp, yeah, they're inhumane.
How are these people this intentionally cruel?
Stop calling it Alligator Alcatraz. It's Alligator Auschwitz.
Allege? Isn't that literally the whole point? It's a concentration camp.
People shouldn't be calling it "Alligator Alcatraz" but instead calling it exactly what it is: an American concentration camp.
Going to be honest here, I would have been shocked if it wasn’t inhumane. That would have been the newsworthy and surprising title.
Yeah, we all saw the tours. Inhumanity was the selling point. Ghouls.
The place they're calling Alligator Alcatraz with the stated fantasy of walking inmates off a plank into the swamp to be eaten isn't meeting our humanity standards??
Next you'll tell me that guns are meant to shoot things like some kind of socialist
Yup, I thought this was r/noshitsherlock but nope, just news. Like we all weren't expecting this to be the case.
I didn't see a water treatment plant onsite. One can only imagine where the waste water is drained. When will Florida environmental groups file a lawsuit?
I live there, there are very few people that give a shit about the environment. No one recycles, no deposit on cans or bottles, bars and restaurants just throw them in the garbage. The government releases water from Lake O that is contaminated by big sugar into the local estuaries, no emissions standards for vehicles, I could go on and on. There are people and groups that do care, and do good work, but it’s an uphill battle when the state government doesn’t give a damn about the environment.
The part that's surprising is that they were able to report it so quickly.