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[Highlight] Payton Wilson rips the ball from Justice Hill's grasp for the interception
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Ah yes, when the Steelers were on the up, soon to be 8-2... (still pissed about this game, that 2pt conversion at the end was a warning)
The only thing I love about the Ravens is how often they manage to find a way to fail critical 2 point conversions.
We won two games recently off failed 2pt conversions against the ravens now I think?
Define recently? The team does know how to beat itself, no arguments there
There was the one in 2021 at the end of the game where TJ Watt jumped up trying to block the pass to Andrews I believe, and then in 2024 you guys also attempted a 2pt conversion to tie it up 18-18 with 1 minute left on the clock that also failed
Edit: also I still believe that yall made the right calls with those plays, going for the win rather than the tie in 2021 and were forced to attempt the tie in 2024, they just didn’t work out.
Good memory. I'm skeptical how yall offense is going to work this year but Tomlin is a magician. He can get maximum effort out of anyone
Oh look, the Steelers with another potentially great LB. What a surprise.
Sawyer next please
Survey says: Not until Watt leaves/retires or they get another generationally good DC to fall into their lap!
Just got his jersey today! Woop
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but he’s small
He's 6'4 240+ lbs
As someone who followed him in college he has a high risk of injury and becoming another “what if”, he’s already missing an ACL. Hoping for the best.
Ahh when the future looked bright last season…
How could Lamar throw that interception? Bum.
/s
He only had 4 picks on the year and I think every one of them was mostly the receiver's fault. Stuff like this, or getting bobbled, and I think Bateman ran a wrong route on one. Just an absolutely insane year for Lamar.
Tbf he also had a few dropped picks
Still weird to see that's called an interception and not a fumble, he started to lose the ball as he was falling to the ground after he maintained possession and took multiple steps.
He took steps but he didn't clearly obtain/maintain possession and make a "football move."
If this ball wasn't taken by Wilson it would've been an incomplete pass, there is no world in which this is a fumble.
In the rulebook, taking an additional step is listed as an example of a football move. He had possession, got two feet down, and then took two more steps.
He didn’t have possession. If a defender’s arm is between the ball and the receiver’s body and the receiver is never able to secure it then the receiver doesn’t have possession of the ball. It’s a pretty well known defensive tactic to jam your arm there and swipe the ball away when the receiver has both hands on the ball which is almost always ruled an incomplete pass and not a fumble if the ball hits the ground on the swipe. In this case the ball doesn’t hit the ground and the defender was able to get the ball in the swipe to intercept it.
If a defender’s arm is between the ball and the receiver’s body and the receiver is never able to secure it then the receiver doesn’t have possession of the ball.
I don't believe that is true. A player can (and this happens often) have possession with their hands, there is no requirement to bring the ball into their chest. It is very common for a receiver to catch the ball with their hands and start running without ever tucking it.
The receiver needs to get control of the ball. If a defender’s arm is jammed in between a receivers arms and it gets ripped away from them as they are falling to the ground they don’t have control of the ball.
It is very common for a receiver to catch the ball with their hands and start running without ever tucking it.
That is a completely different situation where the receiver has already established control and there is no defender fighting for control of the ball.
We're just in disagreement here. Whether or not a defender's arm is between a receiver's arm makes no difference to the receiver controlling the ball with his hands. Imo, Justice Hill controlled the ball on this play, and then Payton Wilson ripped it away. Wilson's not simultaneously possessing the ball, he's not jostling it, he's not even touching the ball until the end when he rips it out. There's no difference between him ripping it out from between the arms or from outside the arms.
Let’s just say he does have control of the ball when the ball is in his hands, Hill also never really completes the “football move” with possession for it to be a catch. The football move in this case would be the fall to the ground, and as he is falling to the ground that is when the defender rips it away from him. If he fell to the ground and then the defender ripped it away afterwards I would agree with you.
There is a lot of subjectivity in the rulebook for different interpretations of these terms, but I think the refs got it right here and especially in real time where the receiver really only has the ball in his hands for a second or less. I think slow motion really distorts the aspect of control since Hill having the ball in his hands for less than a second appears like a few seconds. Anyway there’s no point of arguing this further as we are just going to agree to disagree, but I am surprised I was able to argue with someone on reddit for like 5 comments without receiving hostility or being insulted.
People who are right often disagree with people who are wrong
Wow, that's deep.
The real time that passed between the ball hitting him in the hands and the ball being stripped from his hands was less than a second, so it's a little bit debatable that he even clears the bar for having established control.
It's definitely a close play, and I'd agree it's debatable. In fact, we're having that debate here. I'm on the side that he did establish control.
Because the defender’s arm was jammed in there Hill truly didn’t have possession for long enough for it to be considered a catch. Just because the ball is in both of his hands doesn’t necessarily mean he has possession. If that was the case then Lee Evans would have had a TD in the 2011 AFC Championship and we would have went to the Super Bowl and still had Cundiff and never would have got Justin Tucker. Wow what a ripple effect that would be.
The ball was knocked away from Evans as his second foot came down, not quite the same situation as this play.
These kind of situations are what PFF is for. Jackson put that ball right where it needed to be and Hill just kinda handed it off to the defense rather than securing it. But the stat sheet charges Jackson with an interception.
Okay, I'm all over this thread arguing Hill had possession and it was a fumble, but we also have to admit the ball was underthrown. Not a turnover-worthy play I don't think, but also not sure the ball was right where it needed to be, and not sure Hill could have done anything differently to change the outcome.
Because Payton Wilson is an absolute fucking dawg.
As disappointing as it is every freaking year seeing the talent get wasted in Pittsburgh, it is such a joy to watch them make the Rat Birds look pedestrian after they chirp over and over about their MVP squad.
no side in this fight but ravens are cool birds irl
I agree 💯
Also such joy to eliminate the squealers later that year
Lamar will never win a Super Bowl, hope you have accepted that
Will TJ ever win a playoff game?
Probably not, but I'm not the delusional one here thinking my QB is some God amongst men.
Yeah you are, you think Aaron Rodgers is the second coming of Jesus.
Or should we not just put words in each other's mouths?
The hell? When did I ever say I thought Aaron fucking Rodgers was gonna do anything successful haha
Same place I said anything about Lamar. You accused me of thinking he's a God amongst men when I haven't even mentioned him in this thread.
Humor me, how do you feel about Lamar?
Most exciting QB in the league, baby! Rightful MVP back to back seasons. Undeniably mortal, zero claim to divinity.
Still closer to winning one than your steelers bud
The great thing about the Steelers is despite all our postseason struggles we still get to say: remember when we dominated you in the playoffs this year?
when is the we beat the russell wilson steelers banner going up at m&t bank?
I love how enraged the fake Browns franchise gets when you make fun of their glorified RB
I suppose around the same time the Steelers' Week 11 win banner the guy I replied to seemed to be so proud of
newsflash buddy, we suck, you're SUPPOSED to beat us.
How often, about two thirds of the time, do you think? Would that be reasonable?
Steelers are A WR & LB factory
I don’t know how the Steelers always have voodoo shit they can pull on us but I’m glad none of that shit happened the last two times we played them.
Our voodoo magic stops working with the arrival of Winter
Voodoo machine broke - weather too cold
Understandable have a great day ✌️