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Is that Griffith in the background
No, that's Eva-01
That's the dude from Oddworld on crack
"A truly rataclysmic turn of events."
SQUEEZE THE RAT.
HARDER.
I swear I was also thinking about this game LMAO, I got it as a random gift from a friend but I enjoyed it :D
why is bro being downvoted
Another thing people should do, is have a large wrist support to elevate their hand, I use a sock filled with rice.
Elevating your wrist allows your hand to naturally fall onto your mouse, instead of tilting your wrist up to get your fingers over it. I’ve noted a significant reduction in wrist pain since I started using it.
No way 😭
Haddam Sussein
Sus mentioned......
Was hoping someone would post this. One of the best uses of this meme ever.
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That's a rat.
- Deliberately post picture of a rat implying it's a mouse
- Drive engagement on your post from people correcting you
- ?????
- Profit?
????= Sell account with lots of karma to engagement farming company
When I used to have a rat I'd occasionally use her like a mouse, sliding her around on my deskpad, gently 'clicking' on her noggin.
Between this and the belly scritches, she really did put up with a lot - but then again she snacked like a Queen (and was cremated like a Viking) so all's fair I guess.
This is an example of businessmen misusing anatomical images to mislead the public.
If a vertical mouse is beneficial, the principle would not be as shown in this picture
But they labelled one of them in red, it must be bad!
https://i.redd.it/tnaxmbnx7nbf1.gif
Yeah I don't get it either
I recently switched to a vertical mouse for work, and within two days the pain I had on the side of my elbow basically disappeared. The improvement was honestly incredible. It went away way faster than I expected. I used to think it was from the gym, but someone pointed out it might be from the mouse, and they were right. I still use a classic mouse for gaming, but for work, the vertical one made a huge difference.
That's a rat.
Good meme but is the second one true?
Yes but the bones in the image are a bit exaggerated
They are pretty accurate tho? That's how your forearm looks when it's pronated. It's not unnatural at all however.
Sure looks weird to people unfamiliar with anatomy though and you don't wanna be a little weirdy weirdo, do you?
Why don't you just buy a mouse like that? After all, you "need" it
Nah. Mammals can pronate their hands. The forearm and wrist adaptations to do it are diagnostic of mammals as a class.
Where the problem starts is doing small repetitive movements with the hand while the hand is pronated. This causes the tendons controlling the fingers to rub around in the carpal tunnel and cause nerve issues.
Sure. Curved bones become straight.
A circle viewed from a certain angle is seen as a line segment
A line segment viewed from a certain angle is seen as a point
A point viewed from a certain angle is … waaaait
Don’t think it’s unnatural, if u can turn ur arm like that without any pain or discomfort then it’s nor unnatural
That is a rat
subtle advertising for r/RATS I was never interested in having a rat, but that sub is pure gold.
Whenever this image appears my forearm becomes unformfortable, and I become very aware of it.
Is this just an ad for rat shaker?
This is why all should play the RATSHAKER™ game
YOUKNOWWHATYOUHAVETODO-YOUHAVETOSHAKETHERAT!
decades of mouse usage. 0 issues.
Same here but I can't say the same for my keyboard hand. That one is fucked up from too many Guild Wars 2 rotations or something.
While one may be more natural, only one can be slammed anto the table out of rage without being accused of animal cruelty
Not for gaming, but I've been using the Evoluent Vertical Mouse for almost 20 years now. I've actually trained myself to be a dual-mouse user. Vertical Mouse with the right hand for CAD work, symmetrical mouse (G903) with the left for browsing / email / Word tasks.
I don't think that's how your arm works
I tried a vertical mouse at one point, I would highly recommend people don't believe the hype about comfort or natural alignment.
The bones in the arm have been engineered by millions of years of evolution to twist that way naturally (consider a monkey hanging or swinging from a branch) and in most cases it doesn't cause any discomfort to a human either. Especially if youve been using a mouse horizontally your entire life.
What vertical mice actually do is put the entire strain of moving a mouse onto the Ulnar(pinky side, the 'bottom' if your using a vertical mouse) of your wrist. You will rapidly start to suffer pain there, like within a few weeks, and it will progress to carpel tunnel within a month or two.
Then like me youll realize vertical mice are a terrible gimmick and go back to normal ones. Save yourself the effort. Vertical mice have existed for decades, horizontal won for a reason. 'hey you remember that horrible kind of mouse they made 30 years ago but no one used because they were super uncomfortable long term? yeah theres a meme out now so people are going to 'invent' them again!'
Learn from history, not experience.
It depends on the vertical mouse, but also your desk.
i tried a bunch and the ones at an a shallow angle physically hurt to use, while those are a straight 90 angle to the desk i still use on a daily basis.
I also have my vertical mouse's mousepad mounted on a platform mounted on an arm of my chair so my arm is a more natural 75 to 85 degree angle, than raised up on a desk at a 30 to 40 degree angle.
I think you were doing something wrong homie I've been using one for years without issue lol
Where’s Sadam Hussein?
2 Bad its a Rat.....
Cyanide is natural
Ergonomic mouse, with plush surface, warming, and you feed it energy in the form of tiny salty containers to do great things.
Is that actually what our bones do?
Yep, the bone going to the pinky is called the ulna , and the one connected to the thumb is called the radius. The radius crosses the ulna, whenever you twist your forearm. It's the exact opposite of the "default" position, when your palm faces up - in that case, both bones point straight forward, no overlaps.
Thanks to this mechanism we are able to rotate our hands!
That is really cool but kind of horrifying to realize. Also makes breaking your arm seem even more impressive and when you realize your bones flex.
Wait noo I kinda explained that poorly, don’t worry, your bones don’t actually change shape or flex, that would be too cursed lol. What’s happening is that you’re just seeing them from different angles as they rotate.
The bones are somewhat circular in shape, and like any circle, they can look very different depending on how you look at them - for example, a circle viewed from above looks round, but from the side it can look like a straight line.
Trying to say that having your arm in a position its capable of being in unnatural is hilarious.
Not debating whether is more ergonomic or not but I just wanted to say: Supination and pronation are natural movements.
They do make verticle mice. I used to own some for many years but they are hard to keep in the hand without them slipping.
Love this kind of mouse, but I can’t do it with competitive shooters and such
This is a rat. Not a mouse. Why is nobody pointing this out? D:
where/why/how did you get this?
I've got a Evoluent Vertical Mouse 3 years ago at work. My Coworkers hate it, I love it.
Even after two months, I'm finding that I'm a lot less accurate with the "vertical" layout. For work, it's not a big deal, but I wouldn't want to use a mouse like that for gaming where accuracy is usually more important.
So, basically, we need to go back to joysticks and reconfigure the gaming standard to that.
So reverse grip feels better but is unhealthy
Where can I get one?
My wrist had been hurting so bad lately that I ordered a brace . I checked out different mouse options but most of them looked like a as-seen-on-tv gimmick.
My partner does IT and he recommended a vertical mouse. I got one and Its soooo much better.
I ended up returning the wrist brace and my wrist has not had a flare up since
Your new mouse is in this gif
The anir stick mouse was so comfortable. Later models even had usb. Sucked for FPS games though
Quality ball mice have a good slant to them.
Ive realised I use a regular mouse this way actually? I dont have my palm flat on it, my palm is raised up and right, my thumb grips the side to keep hold of it, my middle finger curves sideways onto the RMB, and my index finger curves further onto the LMB. Thats how Ive always done it...
logitech has one
Looks to me like the way the bones are connected and move are.... incorrect.
In the next iteration of this photo, to convince you of the benefits of vertical mice, the non-vertical one will tie your bones into a knot
Hate to break it to you boss, but that's a rat.
3d printed mouse-mouse would go crazy
Too bad there is shit for choices of multibutton vertical mice. There is one that has an analog looking but non analog control on Amazon. It was nice but very fragile so it didn't last me very long
I say the same thing about mountain bike handle bars. Right tool for the job but brutal as you age
THE RAT SHAKER
I tried the above, but all it did was get rat shit all over my mouse pad, annoyed the hell out of the rat, and the damned thing wasn't even recognized by my OS, so I'd say it was a total failure and I went back to a normal mouse.
What about the rat, do you need the rat too?
Not a doc, but if your bones twist like that you may need to see one.
I'd prefer a Chinchilla. They have some of the densest hair follicles. Great for dpi.
I tried one of those ergonomic mice. Pretty cool concept but certainly not for me. Not saying it's not for other people either, I just couldn't get used to it.
It's the only kind I can use, called "Air Mouse" or trigger mouse with track ball... no big brands make it either. Some dude must be holding onto the patent for dear life...
Ones better for watching porn, ones better for making it.
Good trigger discipline on that mouse
DMV usually have those, only for DMV bureaucratic agents.
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Ouch! Peep you, you peeping peep!
Is a touchpad better for you than a mouse in terms of ergonomics?
What if I just use the trackpad?
Just lie sideways.
does it count as wireless or wired? 🤔
By this logic missionary is unnatural
This is true...
That mouse is basically the Ferrari of the PC world, take my money!
meh
Should've added a third one, gamer keyboard.
How do you figure a 70° rotation of your hand gives you a 180° rotation of the arm? This is BS
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Got one of them due to a sore shoulder and it's helped a lot. The good thing is you can run more than one mouse on a computer. So I still have my old Logitech G602 to my left and can switch over to it for gaming if I need to.
Can't you game with these?
https://www.razer.com/productivity/razer-pro-click-v2-vertical-edition
Razer makes one you could use as a gaming mouse if you got used to it.
My air hockey opponent is gonna shit their pants when I whip this out.
https://preview.redd.it/u50ecryk4obf1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e417d91517f588b74f43095364baf41beeb5614
This have to be the most idiotic sell point for a mouse.
100% agreed, and I don't think it's remappable either.
The AI button is also the DPi switch (click for DPi, hold for BS)
nuclear Bomb point it at this mouse
You can turn it off at least(the faq says that anyway)
at least it's something you can just ignore, seems like it's basically just a macro button to create a prompt
worse than "ai enhancing your mouse input" or whatever other garbage they could come up with to put AI on the package
Not the worst imo, I once saw a Rice Cooker marketed as having AI temp control but it's just a bimetallic strip...
Nvidia doesn’t want you to know this, but if you take apart their enterprise GPUs, they’re just filled with bimetallic strips.
Is this new? I was looking for a 'gaming' vertical mouse with more buttons but couldn't find one like last year.
Yeah it's new, I first saw it on a video from Dawid Does Tech Stuff a couple months ago and I think it had just released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYw_DeDDMGw
Awesome I may check it out. I still want an MMO version with like 800 buttons on the side tho.
Man, same here.
Man, the pinky rest just looks like I would hate it. It's strange, Razor clearly knows how to make rests as the Basalisk has a great thumb rest, but they don't even try to match that in any of their other mice. I'd also need to see a review from someone who isn't pivoting with their wrist.
Wish there was an mmo-button version. An unmappable "AI button" is just Samsung's Bixby all over again
It's a cool idea but I'm not sure how you would implement an MMO button layout with a vertical mouse.
You have to brace a vertical mouse when you click on the opposite side or you move the mouse, I feel like this sounds good in theory but might be a nightmare to try to implement well.
Peak mouse
This comes from an executive mandate to implement AI lmao
Using one of these right now. I really like it.
I play mmos, is there one with 12 side buttons?
You don't need a gaming branded mouse to be able to play games with it.
It's not about the branding, as far as I know it's the only vertical mouse with a sensor and polling rate that you'd actually want to use for gaming.
From what I know about it the Logitech MX Vertical is more comfortable but the sensor is atrocious for gaming.
The Keychron M5 is a vertical mouse with a great sensor, polling rate, and 2.4 dongle. I use it for gaming.
Neat, looks pretty nice.
I'm just hoping at some point someone offers a wired vertical mouse with a free scroll mouse wheel.
Oh ya, weird. They have that on other mice but not that one
Office mice have noticeable input lag, especially wireless ones.
It's also nice to be able customize DPI.
You can but it’s definitely a learning curve - I had to significantly lighten my grip and clicking actions. On a trad mouse I could click with a lot of force (try-hard FPS habit) and it would be fine because I had the desk to absorb the force. With this type of mouse though the only thing stabilizing against that is my own hand, so it was hard to click and stay on target.
I will use it for turn-based games and such but it felt terrible for shooters or anything fast paced
There are pistol grip mice. Since you press from the front the energy goes back into your hand.
We gamed with ball mice in the 90s.
You can, it just doesn't work as well as a normal mouse for that kind of task.
okay, makes sense. But I bet you can still git gud, with time?
I use the MX vertical as my only mouse. I play counter strike with it. Absolutely works.
Same.
I think I am better with it than I was with my regular mouse.
This feels more like holding a gun.
Probably, I had been gaming for decades with the traditional mouse and I'm too old to change now.
I changed to vertial mouse like 5 years ago because my wrist hurts, no more pain + no difference in gaming, you get used to it like in 2 days.
The 125Hz polling rate makes it a no go IMO. If it had 500 (ideally 1000) or more I could see it.
Sure, but unless using a normal mouse causes you physical pain, it'll never be as good as a normal mouse for any games that require some level of fast precision clicking. Primarily for the sole reason of how you apply pressure to click. A normal mouse has counterpressure from the desk, but a vertical mouse requires your same clicking hand to also apply the counterpressure.
Sure it does, you just need time to adjust. You actually end up with more control because you hold it more like a pencil than a rock. That one in the image is a bit clunky but most are more slim.
But more importantly, it will reverse (or prevent) wrist/shoulder pain and deformation from constant use.
I do. Mice like this for the past decade. No issues. I play anything and lots of online shooters.
I game with my mx vertical daily. Took a few days to get used to, but I’m much more proficient with it now.
Absolutely. I use a vertical mouse for all kinds of games including shooters and it works just fine. The only downside is you can't really get one with a whole lot of buttons right now for something like an MMO.
I will say it takes time to get used to the feeling. The motion of your hand/arm is different using a vertical mouse vs a flat one. I started using a vertical mouse after decades of only using regular mice and it took me probably a good 2-3 weeks to REALLY get used to it, but now it feels perfectly natural and I can go back and forth whenever I want.
Personally, without a problem unless I have to snipe someone. And I haven't played that kind of game in ages.
Yeah I exclusively game with a vertical mouse. The initial switch is rough but very worth it in the long run
I have not one (MX Vertical), not two (MX Master 3), but 3 (Pulsar F01) for same reason to help save my hands through the work day, but still need to game.
G602 is legendary
It's one of the oldest parts of my PC setup. It actually looks less worn the the vertical one. My thumb has worn through the soft rubber on the side of the vertical.
It's weird how logitech discontinues all of their good models.
G604 is the newest version
Lift / MX Vertical is the most comfortable I ever tried plus goes for 8-10 months with a single AA battery. 125Hz polling rate is very low though, and the rubber started to turn yellow / gray after a few months on mine.
Keychron M5 is less comfy but the 125-8K Hz polling rate makes all the difference. Plus no rubber. But have to charge it roughly every 1-1.5 weeks (works as a wired mouse when it's plugged in).
https://preview.redd.it/zpr9ds4kcnbf1.jpeg?width=3968&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecf78717dc1d482bba3daf400b025af654579612
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I don't care about competitive (or any) gaming, only interested in 1000Hz polling rate and decent vertical design. 125Hz Lift on a 165Hz display is just bad. And right now M5 is the only wireless vertical mouse with higher polling rate. Lift is more comfortable, has better SmartWheel, has silent button clicks and replaceable battery - all better than M5. But the micro-stuttering cursor turns me off :) Also the Keychron has a web launcher, don't need to instally any software.
Edit: I'm exclusively using the M5 now for work and (some) gaming. Space Marine 2 was alright. I've been using vertical for several years now, originally it took a few days to get used to it (clicking without moving the mouse for example).
I switched to vertical mice several years ago to combat wrist/hand pain and haven't looked back. Most competitive game I play is Dota 2 after a few days with the new mouse I was probably about as good as I was before. I'm open to the idea that a high performance gaming mouse might make me an ever so slightly better player (until my wrist/hand starts hurting....) but I think its fair to say that my aging body and mind are a much bigger limiting factor than the mouse!
Love my Lift!
Switched 8 months ago and did not regret it for a second.
Took a few days getting used to it, I kept knocking the mouse over when reaching for it
I use a Contour unimouse wired left and love how the fit and angle can be micro adjusted withe hinge and thumb pad. Not gamer just for desk work.
I had an evoluent left before and had gripes with the switches and shiny material collecting junk.
I am surprised to see gaming mice as bluetooth or wireless as I thought that introduced click latency. Direct usb wired keyboards and mice I thought were most responsive. People used to use CRT monitors for latency.
Op needs mouse not that
https://preview.redd.it/newpmwd8fnbf1.png?width=411&format=png&auto=webp&s=e837133460b50dce192a4936ee7631af7bf5eaeb
I couldn't find the whacky design I originally saw back in the late 2000s, but "gun" mice have been a thing since then
https://preview.redd.it/8gtt0hdudobf1.jpeg?width=1731&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe2ed690d8d3c04c5b5781ddb66a61884d0fb6dd
Jokes aside, I recommend this mouse to EVERYONE. Going vertical has saved me from so much strain on my arm. It just feels good to use and has the same functionality as any other mouse out there.
I just wish they made an MMO version so I could have 12 buttons on the side LOL.
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Dis is cute
The durability isn't great, especially the button switches stop functioning, and the sensor leaves a bit to be desired. But man, I haven't seen any relevant competition to MX Vertical yet. I have had several at this point, partly due to getting one at any new workplace.
The only one that caught my interest was the new vertical mouse from Razer. I usually avoid Razer due to quality issues but I am interested in trying it at least. Especially as I play video games with vertical mice.
I tried to get Logitech to make a gaming version of it when I met one of their representatives but he said that the market just isn't big enough for it. I hope that changes with time, because comfort wise I love vertical mice.
Mine did work for 8 years.
I mean it still works, but the left click isn't clicky anymore. And the rubber is really worn.
So a few weeks ago, i replaced it with a new MX vertical.
I've been using the Nulea knockoff of the LG MX for over two years now at work with no issues. It's like $20 compared to $100 for the LG.
Got one for the em and semi vertical trackball. So comfortable
I use one of these for work, love it
Got a sideway keyboard for when both of your arms can't handle conventional flat keyboard style?
Speech to text aren't going to work all the time. I can't figure out how to code in C using speech.
also, if/when you hate this one, r/G502MasterRace is a solid in between.