pcmasterrace
Hard to swallow pills for most of this subreddit
Discussion
Are you saying it's going to get worse?
Dear void, I hope not.
Moar bloatware running in the background
There is already too much.
With how much bloat Windows 11 piled on to the already undesirable Windows 10 stack, I'm betting you could edit each piece of cereal in this image to represent a unique piece of bloatware.
Has ANYTHING gotten better since 2015?
No. Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.
They shouldn't have shot the damn gorilla...
Gotta hand it to the kid's douchebag parents though. They deleted all of their socials as soon as they got an inkling that they were involved in controversy.
Wise. Like, sure, they more or less doomed humanity by their negligence, but that doesn't mean random internet fuckwads need to make their lives more hellish than the karmic weight they already bear.
Yep, Linux. Now It is fully usable desktop system with games (thanks Gaben).
David Bowie saw the writing on the wall
It has on the Linux side of things. Very beautiful over here.
Enshittification engaged
starts looking up Linux and how to use it
Anyone who doesn’t want to figure out how to simply turn off and get rid of stuff they don’t want in windows isn’t going to have the knowledge or patience to support Linux. Linux users are generally people who don’t mind making their own features work for specific needs and are willing to give up certain things for being able to do what they want otherwise.
If you throw the people that complain about windows at a Linux distro, most of them will be running back to windows. The only exception I could see is when steam os releases and people who run their pc as just a console having a good time with that.
That’s… exactly why I’m switching. I’m so very tired of my drivers suddenly not working because an update was pushed to add an AI version of the stupid purple gorilla taskbar buddy from 20 years ago.
If I’m going to be having a bad time, it’s going to be my fault. And the people that are fed up with windows enough to leave are exactly that type. Everyone else is either going to happily watch the merger of Steam and Xbox, or continue using their PC as a Microsoft office suite.
The latter group includes absolutely no one here.
Sorry you're feeling frustrated, can I turn on light mode to make you feel better?
The flash bangs will continue until morale improves.
It's windows. Why wouldn't it get worse? Granted they do tend to make better even numbered versions than odd
If it ain't XP, it ain't for me.
It's due to get slightly better but in an age of ads being inserted into everything and if not that some hopeless AI we might get another vista instead
Now here's your hard to swallow pill: The next Windows always makes the previous Windows look better because Microsoft is on a mission to make Windows as shitty as possible with each new release.
This.
Every iteration of windows somehow gets more built in bloat, less user control, more advertisements.
Just because windows 10 was better than 8, doesn't mean it's as clean as 7, which people still generally didn't prefer as much as XP. I still remember how solid the built in movie maker was in XP. Streamlined, just enough to do basic shit.
Then it turned into some steaming pile of shit in 7+ and now I don't even see any basic functions besides trim in Movies and TV.
There have been good improvements on the front of security, and boot times. But that just gets bundled in with all the shit.
It's almost like we don't want to be forced from a mature stable platform to a new unstable one for someone else's profit.
Another example of how the profit motive incentivizes things no one needs or wants. It really is such a shitty way to organize a society.
Absolutely. It incentivises and rewards the worst behaviour.
A bloat free windows would be an absolute perfect OS. But that leaves to much money on the table for Microsoft.
yes, when win12 is even shittierthan win11, which is very likely due to the shitflation downward spiral. it started with win8 and goes on and on...
Don't forget the AI bloat that 12 will have built in
Bloat? No bloat here. We just replaced the entire UI with Copilot. You don't even need other software anymore. Just ask Copilot whatever it is you need.
And don't worry, if you ever forget anything you ever asked Copilot, it's all safely backed up on your required microsoft account, tied to your government issued ID. You can easily get a backup copy by logging back into your account or asking any government agency for a copy.
do you think windows 8 was better than windows 10
Not the guy you are replying to, but I kept my win 8.1 as long as possible, because windows 10 was shite and win 8.1 was working very well for me. Then I learned there are ways to make win 10 less shite by removing bloat and snooping and today I think 10 is better. Not by much functionally (just like you could still use win 7 or xp nowadays), but still is.
yeah. i really hated windows 8 so i reverted to 7 instantly. used 7 until i couldn't anymore. so i do get it
i really hated windows 8 so i reverted to 7 instantly. used 7 until i couldn't anymore.
Same. 8 was atrocious.
What kind of person enjoyed windows 8/8.1
That's just borderline masochism. Windows 10 was way better than 8 right out the gate.
(as long as you turned off 500 pieces of spyware running in the background and the keylogger microsoft installed by saying no to everything during install)
What kind of person enjoyed windows 8/8.1
I skipped Win 8/8.1 myself for the most part. But from what I remember 8.1 was very performant and worked very well. But unfortunately the disaster that was Win 8 kind of killed it and people just went to Win 10.
OP is conveniently forgetting that windows 10 was abysmal at the start and gradually became better when people learned how to turn off shitty ads, snooping, and bloat. It's actually great today.
Win 11 is shite, but it's still miles better than it was and will only get better as people learn how to make it better.
Windows 3, then 3.11.
Windows 98, Windows 98SE
Windows 8, then 8.1
Windows 10, then they avoided giving it a new name, just back to trying to patch it.
And the basic rule for all releases Desktop and Server was not to use it for anything important until at least SP1.
Microsoft mostly has bad initial releases and half the time they make them much better. The only thing I'm concerned about is that Windows 11 has not been progressing consistently, they keep adding crap to it and trying new anti-consumer features/capabilities.
There were people complaining about XP back in the day, and while it wasn't about Bloatware specifically, MS will find s way to inconvenience for profit
so now its a bad thing to prefer something thats less shitty?
Reddit is being astroturfed by corporate accounts defending their products. You go on any lesser known social media site like Lemmy and the comments actually sound like real human beings instead of writing things like "Windows 11 haters".
There was a post from a new account on the Windows 11 subreddit about a week ago. The title was something like “People don’t realize how beautiful Windows 11 is”, and it just had a bunch of basic screenshots of Windows. Got pretty heavily downvoted, I think some people called them out for potentially being a shill, then they deleted their account.
Corporations could just make good products but no, they have to bend over for shareholders instead.
The funniest thing is that they’d rather spend a shit-ton on image cleaning ads than actually investing into making a good product.
It's also full of AI generated memes. And then those memes are full of AI generated comments.
See the gaming subs arguing for more expensive games as proof. No real human wants to pay more for the same shovelware AAA crap with this year's date stamped on it.
No, fuck win11 i miss Win7
Windows 7 was so good. I was so disappointed when I upgraded to 10 and my desktop widgets went away, and I couldn't use the transparent explorer
I was just pissed that the search bar searched the internet and you couldn't get rid of Cortana. Windows 11 is the final nail in the coffin, I'm going to Linux lol. keeping a dial boot with windows 10 for the odd occasion I want to play fortnite with that one friend ...
and you couldn't get rid of Cortana
Windows 10 pro could get rid of onedrive and cortana with some group permissions settings that disallowed them.
to many security flaws. i still remember the repair mode glitch to bypass passwords. saved my ass once haha.
To be fair literally every Windows install can easily bypass the password by rebooting into recovery and opening a command prompt.
In grad school we were gifted a piece of lab equipment from a Biopharma company. We couldn’t log into the account that had the proprietary software, so I was tasked with somehow getting in. Bless windows 7, crash computer into safe mode, change stickey keys to admin level command prompt and giving free reign on the computer.
Acting like it isn’t just as easy to break into accounts on windows 10
Win7 was that sweetspot. It performed better than its predecessors and entered into this world before enshitification became a thing.
Win8 was the beginning of the enshitification trend, but swung so hard in the shit side that people looked at Win10 pleasantly. But let's be real, Win10 is pretty damn shit too compared to the performance to shittiness ratio. Even if Win12 ends up better than Win11, it's like looking at a stock market graph trending down still. Sure it's better than the previous, but still shit compared to the peak.
I miss Windows XP
Same, Win7 was the closest to it imo.
XP was nice though I wouldn't go back to using it these days. Not due to security issues (those are a given) yet more due to the OS being a lot clunkier than I remembered as a kid.
Win 8 was shit, no one defended it after Win 10 came out.
8.1 fixed pretty much everything people complained about in 8. Tbh, Win 10 was great, but I liked 8.1 more
Seriously, based on these comments I'm assuming many of the kids on here had no idea it even existed lol
8 was so bad that most people just boycotted the whole version. You'd see the same thing with 11 if 12 came out before 10 ran out of support.
Many people probably went the "win 8 was so bad, just gonna stick with 7 untill something better"
Reputation gets tainted
Lots of people skipped 8 completely because of the metro design changes.
By the time 8.1 came out in 2013, it was already too late.
I did.
Sorta. Win 8 was shite indeed, but 8.1 was great. It just worked, it was stable as heck. Only the start menu was meh.
I kept win 8.1 as long as possible until win 10 become actually great after you ran a debloating app like donotspy10.
Nobody defended Vista when 7 launched
Nobody defended 8 when 10 launched
No? I wasn't defending 8/8.1 when I switched from 7 to 10.
Also no other Windows refused to let me install on 5 year old hardware.
OPs hard to swallow pill is that he's too noob to know about the Windows pattern, and that OP is a ******.
I am done with Windows.
I need to find a way to save off about 4tb of data, then all my computers will be switched to Linux.
Edit: I should have phrased this "I need to save up enough to get a big-ish hard drive to set up a NAS, then I can switch to linux"
Same, switched to Linux and I’m super happy
Just pulled the trigger to switch this weekend. Still setting it up but it's going smoothly for the most part
What distro you settle on? I've been on Fedora, and it's honestly been so smooth
Generally can't go too wrong with any of them especially on an AMD box. I prefer Arch based myself due to usually being lighter and access to AUR (I need certain add-ons for a game and it is SO nice having an easy way to install/update outside git) The wiki is also top-notch.
But for most users, they're basically the same day to day.
lol no, I mean imagine people longing for a return to vista
If you had the hardware, Vista was awesome!
Late Vista was actually great, but not a lot of people actually knew or experienced that.
I really preferred later Vista to XP for sure. Vista reminds me a lot of Windows 10 actually.
Eh.... after the service packs we're released, sure. Before that it was like putting 30 padlocks in every door of your house and carrying the keys on one big ring with all them looking identical and unmarked.
I lost brain cells reading this terrible meme.
Windows 11 really does suck, and people voicing their distaste for something they are forced to use for work and gaming, that's clearly much worse than windows 11, is not "hate".
I hate windows 11 so hard, made me switch to Linux.
I just swapped to Mint, mainly because my 7600k CPU is too old for 11 but everything else still works fine. So far I'm not missing Windows and am just having fun learning the OS.
Same. I was hoping Microsoft would follow the usual trend of "Make new OS with shitty changes, users compain about new changes, Microsoft backtracks and makes the OS decent" yet this time they decided to double down and make it so bad that I absolutely don't want to use it. Been daily driving Linux for a year now and I doubt I'd want to switch back.
Because this time what makes Windows 11 an awful experience — ads, Recall, Copilot — is crap they need to farm more profit out of their customers.
Same, now it is 7 month since I switch to Linux and completely ditch Windows on my main machine.
My Minecraft server is now currently 2 month into it's Linux life, from RDP into it(during Windows era) to now ssh into it and use screen to have it able to not shut down the server and process when I disconnect from it.
You and other pioneers are heroes who we will one day thank for giving us some real competition.
if Win 12 is worse than 11, what am i supposed to do?
"go lunix go valve"
will my programs still work? adobe, unreal, blender, davincci, etc?
Blender works better on Linux than it does on Windows. Much improved performance.
Well, I mean... It was designed for Linux and was later ported to Windows.
please note that blender worked on linux before it did on windows (exactly one year earlier)
DaVinci also works on Linux, but the Linux version is gimped as Blackmagic doesn’t want to pay the MPEG-LA more licensing for Linux. Make sure you have a lot of storage because the Linux version won’t open compressed files so you will need to work with raw files (including transcoding all your camera footage to raw). I’d recommend a large and fast SSD as your video library storage.
actually yes like 90% of those have native linux versions lol, and stuff that doesnt have equivalent open source + free versions.
unless you need like, weird university software or job explicitly requires you to use windows, linux is a 100% usable OS
Ironically, some obscure university software also requires Linux. So it’s both sides and course-dependent.
Flashing back to needing gfortran for my aerospace engineering courses.
3 of the 4 things you mentioned have native Linux ports that work perfectly with no workarounds (with Blender even working better than the Windows build)
Acting like Davinci works perfectly is ignorant as fuck. Don't mislead people.
It's missing a ton of features, tons of codecs (h.264/5 and AAC audio), and the voice over system is so borked because it's using ancient ALSA audio.
And I say this as someone literally using it now.
I'm too lazy to dualboot to windows just to play Fortnite, that would be annoying, otherwise i would switch to Linux Mint
Not adobe but it's morally wrong to use Adobe anyway, such an awful company
I feel like it’s gonna be a windows 10 situation where 10 was better than 8 but worse than 7. Kind of like this super professional graph that I totally didn’t throw together in 5 minutes and is 100% factual
Nope. I don't like any version of Windows past 7, and this was one of the reasons why I switched to Linux the moment I got myself a desktop.
I have been through this nonsense 8 times now.
Karma farming
I still want windows 7 back
As a veteran of Vista. No, we won't, 11 sucks.
OP may be correct, but only on the the technicality of Win12 being even worse than Win11.
I don't see people praising Windows 10 or 11 without debloating or using an LTSC version. I think any default configuration Windows past 7 is pretty much disliked by anyone that knows more than one thing about operating systems.
I personally find Linux Mint to be my favorite OS/distribution of Linux. It's very lightweight and everything is where it needs to be; compatibility is just not there yet though
By that logic we all should have been defending windows 8 when 10 came out. I won't be defending windows 11... I will have made the switch to Linux by that time.
XP till I die
this is the worst attempt of astroturfing i've seen a while
Yes, why? Because they keep making every version so bad that you don't want to leave the previous one.
Cuz the worst OS made by MS is always the next one
Not quite if i change to linux
I've not defended a single version of Windows since Windows 8.
It has gotten worse with every new version since Windows 8
Nah. I've been talking shit about 10 since 7 came out. I'm not defending 10 now just because 11 is out. And I won't be defending 10 when 12 comes out. Windows has been dog shit ever since Microsoft started treating it as a service and not a polished end product. Fuck all windows.
I am W11 hater and W10 hater. If W12 will be dog shit then I'll hate all 3
Not true
Hard disagree. After about 2 decades of back and forth I fully switched to Linux after Windows 11 was released. If Windows 12 comes along and bunkers down on the elements of 11 I dislike (ads in a paid OS, non-optional recall, mass user data harvesting), it'll get even more hate from me. If they change their tone, then they'll get praise. I'll never defend 11 unless Microsoft decides to switch things up mid-release.
Nope.
actual corporate botting on this reddit
fucking crazy
No, fuck windows 11, fuck windows 10, give me windows 7
Not even.
MS has a genuine track record of every "Other" OS being trash in some way.
XP Vista 7 8 10 11
Good Bad Good Bad Good Bad
Now, I am not optimistic for Windows 12. AI's a stage 4 cancer on all software going forward.
But if Windows 11 sells as bad as it seems to be, they might at least make an effort to make 12 something people that hate 11 want.
But Microsoft just fired more of its engineers and devs and are replacing them with more AI tho. Given the quality of the software nowadays (updates that are AI coded and causes more trouble than it’s worth) I’d rather look elsewhere.
I want windows 7 back RAAAA
There's usually a clear delineation between hated and liked Windows versions.
I didn't see anyone who disliked Vista, 8, or Edit: ME defending it when their much more well received successors were released and I don't see that happening with 11 either.
I'll have probably moved to Linux by the time 12 comes around lol
False, I also hate 10, I just hate it less than 11. So when 12 launches, I imagine I'll hate that even more, and I'll still hate 11, but less than 12.
Because 12 will probably be worse?
I think what the people want is options. Not everyone wants to be force fed AI, cloud services, and obligatory updates. Like why can't I have a basic operating system that functions well and isn't complex. There are many companies that still use windows XP or 95 because they serve only basic functions.
Blame Microsoft; they start with something barely usable, then add "fixes" that fix one thing and break 34. This remains like that for around 5 years, and when they finally have something good, they decide to end support and launch a new barely usable OS. Then they add new "fixes" that fix one thing and break 34. This remains like that for around 5 years, and when they finally have something good, they decide to end support and launch a new barely usable OS. Then they add new "fixes" that fix one thing and break 34. This remains like that for around 5 years, and when they finally have something good, they decide to end support and launch a new barely usable OS. Then they add new "fixes" that fix one thing and break 34. This remains like that for around 5 years, and when they finally have something good, they decide to end support and launch a new barely usable OS. Then they add new "fixes" that fix one thing and break 34. This remains like that for around 5 years, and when they finally have something good, they decide to end support and launch a new barely usable OS. Then they add new "fixes" that fix one thing and break 34... and so on.
It's bad, I work in IT and unless you can remote on to someone's computer it takes a lot more clicks to guide someone to a menu item. Trust me this is so bad. Windows 10, clicking the internet icon, one more click and your in internet and network settings and two more clicks to adapters.
Windows 11 it's a nightmare to get them to find adapter settings now. Same with printers. Adding a new printer is dumb asf now. Control panel, devices and printers, brings you to settings instead of straight to the printer wizard.
As a Linux user who is forced to use Windows at my job everyday at my job to get work done, Windows 11 sucks, only using it cause we rely heavily on really old systems.
nah mate, I didn't defend win8 when 10 launched. 8.1 was kinda ok, but still garbage.
It's not logically inconsistent to dislike unnecessary forced updates.
I would still be on 7 if ryzen cpu supported it.
I don't even like Windows 10, let alone 11. Windows 7 was the last good Windows IMO.
Real windows users hate every version of windows
Fuck Windows 11. I will never like it.
I want my taskbar on top.
Be me, an average Joe.
Use:
Windows XP (it played barbie. It worked from the POV of a 6-7 year old.)
Windows vista (slow as fuck, but usable. Using LimeWire killed it. RIP)
Windows 7 (So good. I understand why people held on to it. It just worked.)
Windows 8 (I didn't mind it. It did its job. It was meh)
Windows 8.1 (welcome back start menu. Did its job. It was meh.)
Windows 10 (No problem. Only 1 blue screen of death in 10 years.)
Windows 11 (PC slows to a crawl. BSOD. Happens several times. Spend hundreds of hours searching away to fix it. Never had this issue. Nothing works. One day the computer turns off. R.I.P. NVMe gets corrupted from too many BSOD. Fuck that. Reverts back to Windows 10. No issues. Smooth sailing.)
I don't hate Windows 11, but I think Microsoft is selling an unfinished product. It has too many bugs and some updates has literally bricked some computers. I am not a computer wizard, but I can usually find a way to fix something if it's needed. Using Windows 11 was probably the most annoying experience I ever fucking had (and I used Windows 8). I shouldn't have to spend 30%-50% of my time trying to make sure my computer doesn't off itself or try to make what was once a simple task, multiple tasks for aesthetics reasons. I just can't justify it.
Not a fan of 10 either. There are things called preferences when one is clearly worse than the other.
Let me add that my old game cds stopped running properly somewhere between xp 7 n 10. I hate getting ads shoved at my face from the operating system itself.
nah. I didn’t defend windows 8. it sucked ass.
Win12 is going to be AI everywhere. There will be nothing for you to click, and when there is a clickable thing, it'll pop an AI icon to ask you what you want to do if you bought copilot and if you didn't, it'll make you go round and round. Then comes the start menu that will be filled with "milfs near you" ads.
Linux users:
Windows 7 was peak
Not me. I still hate win10 as well as 11.
I don't hate Win 11. I hate why they don't allow it on the machines that can perfectly run it. I used it on first gen i7, it works flawlessly. Sometimes even faster than Win10. Wtf with 8+ gen?
While I'm being slapped over face for each plastic bag I use, they are sending billions of more than perfectly capable machines to landfill.
win12 will be worse so people will probably defend the remaining good parts of win11 that michaelsoft inevitably decides to fuck up to “innovate”
I think the thing I dislike about it is that it’s making millions of computers become out dated. I know Linux is 100% a thing but the issue with it is that people have to discover it individually for it to become even a consideration. People will just throw out their old computers if they feel like it’s going to no longer work for them.
Making this an arbitrary road block is causing massive amounts of e-waste which as a small reminder is bad for everyone and much worse then regular waste.
Many are switching to Linux. I'm not interested in letting Microsoft monitor everything I do so they can train copilot off of my day to day use.
Feel free to look up Windows Recall.
Looks like someone doesn't know how Windows operating systems work. Let me break it down for you
- Windows 98 = Good
- Windows ME = Bad
- Windows XP = Good
- Windows Vista = Bad
- Windows 7 = Good
- Windows 8 = Bad
- Windows 10= Good
- Windows 11 = Bad
so...
- Windows 12 = Good
You need to stay with the old windows until the fixed all the major bugs windows is like any EA Game.
my take: W11 feels more like an simple update to W10 then a new OS
I still want to go back to Windows 7
Stop with the lies man! Remember the pattern!
XP - good
Vista - bad
7 - good
8 - bad
10 - good
11 - bad
So 12 will be good!
Edit: Holy moly, notification is drowning in +200 replies. I didn't expect my joke comment to explode this way.
Windows 12 is going to be an advertisement for foot cream and action news.
I'm just picturing doubling clicking on an EXE for open Office and bubble notification pops up
"Suggested word program"
*icon for Windows Office 202#
Windows office? You mean copilot for office, or something like that.
"It looks like you're trying to use non-microsoft software, are you sure you want to do that?"
We should really just start deadnaming copilot for what it is... Clippy with extra steps.
Do not offend Clippy please. No one will ever even manage to reach half of his level
Copilot Copilot. Word edition(New)(Classic)
I also came here to say that Windows can, and has improved in the past. I hated 8 to the point I downloaded ClassicShell just so I didn’t have to deal with it. Anyone else?
Don’t forget Windows ME, it put the ME in meh
Putting a tablet UI as the only option on a desktop was probably the most braindead decisions Microsoft has made, and they have made a LOT of bad decisions.
Some idiot in marketing convinced bigger idiots that "app" based ui is the way to go
I still run OpenShell because the Windows 10 start menu doesn't have basic functionality like drag and drop. The Windows 11 start panel is even worse.
Now with baked in advertising! Even on domain joined computers!
You have to find MS' next advertisement rollout the hard way after an update then write a GPO just to nuke it.
Nah, I actually went and bought a retail copy of Win7 just to nuke Win8 from my new vaio laptop. Apparently 8.1 was pretty decent, but I never bothered with it.
As much as I disliked windows 8, it doesn't even remotely match how much I absolutely loathed ME. It wasn't even good enough to be meh, it was just straight up horrible and utterly infuriating. I tried to use it for just over a month but it just kept crashing, over and over and over again.
Chatting on mirc? BSOD. Trying to save a game? BSOD Opening navigator? BSOD. Looking at the screen? Hmmmm... Fuck it, BSOD!
I reinstalled 98, bought the SE upgrade disc, and just run that for a couple of years, eventually replacing it with XP SP1.
Still to this day, I hold 98SE and XP SP2 as equal 2nd best Windows OS's to use, and just slightly behind Win7.
I used to run XP sp3 until 7 basically necessary for games and better hardware. Is SP2 special somehow?
i’m a windows 8 defender till the end but only with classic shell installed. 8.1 was genuinely soooo much quicker and more stable than 7 ever was on the hardware i had from the time and the best part is that it could actually find almost every driver on install. I remember being one of the windows 10 haters because it broke compatibility with my art software but i still believe that if 8.1 had the windows 10 start menu then it would’ve been seen in a much more positive light.
Windows 8, under the badly-implemented Metro redesign, was the best iteration of Windows in my book. The biggest problem was it had two ways of doing everything - which, for the most part, they kept in Windows 10.
"What about windows 9??"
7 8 9
Damnit take up vote and crawl into the Threshold of which 9 never came out of.
It is critical we send an issue report to Microsoft immediately
Goes back further. 98 and 2000 good Windows ME bad XP good so on. Windows 8 has the formula W8 as in Wait for the next one.
The 98 wasn't good from the start. It became better when the SE version was released.
And the same with XP and 8, when respectively the SP1 and 8.1 were released.
The ME was indeed really bad as SO (but so good with UI gimmicks ).
Man, XP without the service packs was really bad. Installing the service packs was also a lot of fun. As in, it could just ruin your entire Windows installation. I stayed on win2k as long as possible to avoid dealing with XP.
Idk was win 10 good though? I used 7, 10, 11 and I still think 7 was the best windows OS. I only switched to 10 well after the support ended
No, it sucked
They took away my Control Panel tools & the Search BLEW ASS
THIS. The departure from the control panel to "settings" was absolutely fucking awful and Windows has never been the same since. Not to mention I hate the chunky mobile style UI. They went from a sleek amazing looking AI on 7 and just threw out some super "safe" lackluster crap.
They designed Windows 8 entirely with mobile devices in mind because they were launching Windows Phone to compete with iPhone & Android and they didn't give a shit about all the desktop users that would be effected.
Windows 10 was a patch to Windows 8, it wasn't even a new OS
No, that was 8.1
Only used it because of security yadda yadda.
10 sucks absolute ass. I just want 7 back.
Had to set up a new laptop mom bought with 11. I thought I was going to have an aneurysm trying to navigate that garbage.
Microsoft making their product like the Jitterbug phone. Simplifying it to the point where you're trying to troubleshoot, and can't figure out anything.
Jitterbug is a very fitting description
Was it good? No. Was it WAY better than 8? absolutly.
And Win11 might even beat Win8 in how bad it is... Win8 got some improvements atleast... Win11 STILL DOESN'T FUCKING WORK 4 years later and it probably never will.
The static fcking start menu takes up over 10% of my Ryzen 7600x ffs... the start menu with LESS functionality than WinXP which ran on god damn Intel Pentium with 200 MHZ!
Windows 7 > Windows 10.
The only improvement i can find is the new taskmanager ui, but the new taskmanager is also so much slower that it evens out. The settings and control panel mess, the constant forced updates (and changing of settings), it trying to force you to use edge, etc.
I am on windows 10 because of security updates, and because i am too lazy/have too much unsupported software to switch completely to linux. I wish i could get windows 7 back, without security concerns.
Edit : Windows 11 is about as much worse than 10 as 10 is worse than 7. I don't think 12 is going to be better than 10 and likely won't even be better than 11.
XP - good, way better than windows 98, holy shit.
Vista - fucking disaster, but by the end of its life it was very close to windows 7 in quality and stability.
7 - great. Nuff said.
8 - bad, not abysmal but then came...
8.1 - Great, except the shitty tile start menu, but manageable. Probably the most stable system I've ever had. During the entire time I had it I only got 2 BSODs.
10 - terrible at the start, but as people learned how to turn off snooping, ads, and bloat it became rather stellar. Today I think it's great.
11 - fucking abysmal at the start, getting better. I'd still prefer they kept working on windows 10.
I don't think Win10 should get credit for the community fixing its myriad of problems.
"Oh it's an absolutely terrible car, but luckily I can install a third party transmission, door handles, steering wheel, pedals, seats, and wheels, so actually it's a pretty great car"
Same energy tbh.
They do own Bethesda now so it tracks 😅
The problems with Vista were almost entirely because we were also going through the x86 to x86-64 migration, and you could never get a working driver for stuff.
And now the reality for you:
XP bad until SP2
Vista bad
7 bad until SP1
8 bad
10 bad until 1803
11 bad until ?
XP was good versus ME
11 bad until linux starts gaining marketshare
Vista bad until SP1 or had a good pc
XP only got good around Service Pack 3.
I stuck with the more stable Windows 2000 for a long time.
Also, Vista wasn't that bad if you had the hardware to run it and were patient with the UAC popups (these became less frequent over time). Microsoft just under-specced the requirements to keep the box-pushers happy.
Both 7 and 10 were heavily shit on when they were released. People don't like change.
You forgot 8.1. That's why your pattern sucks