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My bottleneck is prolly the worst case scenario
Idk how to add the pictures to this so I'll prolly add them in the comments
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my cousin's PC which has an FM2 socket A6 APU and RTX 3050:
why not use the graphics compute cores of the APU?
They're massively weaker than a 3050, and given their age won't support feature like reflex, dlss/fsr, RT etc. Even the display connectors might be too dated for what is a pretty cheap monitor nowadays
Funnily enough, they do support FSR. I know this cause I was fucking around with an A8 3870's iGPU a while ago. Unsurprisingly, the performance was single digit awful on modern games even at 480p and FSR at ultra performance
FSR3 or the filter one?
Screw your bottleneck, where's the full YT video of this?
Too. Damned. Cute.
Bright side is that upgrades are dummy cheap. 16gh ddr3 can be had for $15 an an i7-2600 goes for $25 on eBay. It'll make a MASSIVE difference
I don't think an I7 2600 will help much. When I upgraded my I7 2600k to a R5 7600 I got an average of 30% more FPS with my 3050. And I'm pretty sure a 3050 is weaker than a 2060 and the 2600 will bottleneck the 2060 more than it did my 3050.
Who wouldnt want a little cutie pie biting into your flesh
A decent cpu and ram for a 2060 will set you like 50$ combined
I don't think I've ever seen a I3 2nd gen in the wild lmao
LET ME HEAR YOUR WAR CRY!!!
his greed will consume him
My school comp better then ts crap, (5th gen i7 8-16g ram ddr3)
did you just say "ts crap"... you need to be locked up
5th gen is pretty rare where I live. Neat. Now I want one.
for a while, I had an i7 5930k (x99 chipset from 2014) paired with an RTX4090
I got a friend who uses a 2060 with a quad-core pentium
A couple of years ago i was running a 5900x with a 1030, because my gpu died, that was...interesting experience.
Hmm, I wonder, if you had 5900g, would an external gt1030 have been any better... Either way, it's nice that you had a backup, 1030 is weak, but capable.
Got scammed when I was a kid trying to buy a 1050. And police didn't give a fuck. So I had to buy a 1030 instead of a 1050, that I was working for during a summer. Was even stuck with it for a bit too long... Still a big upgrade from gt 240. Eventually got a small upgrade - RX550 with twice as much memory, and later when I could - upgraded to beefier cards.
But I still respect the little GT 1030, which served me well in my worst days... I actually wish I didn't sell it 💔
It was just used a display card, i ended up gaming for a few months using gfn.
Ryzen 5 3600 with an rtx 3080ti here 😅
The meme is like 6 years old by now.
I know my friends old PC which remembered windows xp (he had black edition lol) days and first what he upgraed was from athlon ii x2 250 into amd phenom ii x4 965 black edition + 8gb of ram to could play gta v without stuttering/lags, then upgraded gpu with gtx 1050ti (idk which gpu was originally but 2nd was gt 710)
You know what, Short of replacing the mobo+cpu, adding up to 12gb ram actually helped my g3420 pentium. So...maybe?
The gpu doesn't take ram borrowed, ot gives instead v:
Try AMD x2 5000 with a RTX 5090
i had a R5 7600X3D with a Gtx 1050TI until i got my RX 9070 a month later
Hah, I used to run an fx-6300 and a 1080ti together. Fun times.
I used to have a ryzen 97900x with 64gb of ram and a rx 570 4gb
When I upgraded my I7 2600k to a R5 7600 I got an average of 30% more FPS with my 3050. And my CPU isn't working hard at all.
Expected a last slap from the fish, disappointed
My wide's computer is a Xeon 1240 v2 with 32Gb of DDR3 and an RTX 3060ti.
RTX is at 50% max while playing Clair Obscur...
Lol no. I gave my old 5070 to a friend to ride for some time, with his i5-8400
not a bottleneck but a surringe needle
My i7 🗣️ kids today no one suffers
My old laptop had a strange bottle neck. I had an i5 10210u An nvidia mx330 16GB ram
And the bottle neck is... the motherboard.
I did this with my hp prebuilt, at the end I overloaded the PSU with my 2060 super and it blew up haha, thankfully all other components survived.
I've got a Ryzen 9 3900x and an RTX 3070. Next upgrade isn't for awhile but I feel like im gonna need to upgrade the CPU here soon
Uhhh I have Ryzen 5 1600x with rtx3060 12gb, how cooked I am?
In comparison with newer CPUs, your setup is less stable (as in worse 1% lows and possible stuttering) and might be noticeably slower in general. And I think it is likely to be a bottle neck for your GPU, but might not be that much.
You know, I think you are in a perfect spot to upgrade to a 5700X c: Unless of course you can afford an upgrade to some 9000 series AM5 cpu + AM5 MB + DDR5 RAM.
5700X has an amazing performance for its price, and with a good cooler and good thermal paste - you could do an undervolt+overclock (I did the curve optimizer) you can get a very quiet and very powerful CPU (I couldn't get a Noctua at a reasonable price, so I chose a Thermalright's Macho).
So, if I were you, I would be looking for an upgrade, either to a newer CPU with the same everything else (quite cheap, and will last for a quite long time), or to a newer gen (will be very expensive to upgrade "everything", but such huge investment is gonna be worth it only if you get something that will definitely last you much longer than the first option).
Hm i was thinking about 5700x3d but new gen sounds great. I don't know what about cooling because I have sillentium 240 aio and with this cooler my cpu (this r5 1600x) sometimes reached almost 90°C in cinebench and I don't have over locked it or anything. Idk what's wrong, thermal paste is changed, pump is working, dust cleaned and ???
Maybe it's just old and that's the issue? Or does open case (thermaltake p1) may be issue?
If with new cpu problem would occur again I will buy new
Not exactly sure what exactly could be an issue here sorry. Has it always been like that?
I never had an open case like that, but I would assume that it doesn't have a "consistent" airflow without case fans. Looks cool though, I should look up how good open cases are for cooling.
As for the AIO, it might be both the installation, and the thermal paste. I don't know if you actually need to replace it when upgrading, I am not that familiar with AIOs.
However, I think it's actually the CPU itself, especially if it's not undervolted. AMD CPUs typically have higher voltage than they actually need, they are very stable like that for sure, but as a result they run way hotter. I hopd a belief that if you buy an AMD - you absolutely should tinker a little with it :D
Back to the topic of your previous comment, it turns out upgrading from 1600 to (just the) 5600 will give a huge performance boost, so you probably should do the 5700X hehehehe :D Definitely worth it
Forgot you mentioned the x3d oof. The 5700X3D is way more expensive though. If you can afford it - I bet it will last you for a very long time with its performance, but let's just say it's not as much bang for your buck imo. At least - not for nearly twice the price of 5700X as it was for me when I was choosing.
Tbh I can't remember what was before, I wasn't playing on pc a lot when I was working abroad and after I came back I realized that soomethingg is a bit off
I tried undervolting this bastard but then it just can't run cinebench, it crashed, and after I undervolted it just slightly to still run test then it didn't really worked, when I looked at hwinfo while running test it was running at normal wattage so adonno, maybe problem is with mobo? (msi b450i gaming plus ac with latest stable bios version cause I didn't wanted that experimental or whatever it is called)
I was considering 5700x3d because I wanted to play some emulated games from ps3, I miss my old brave PS3 and many games I had played and emulators are CPU heavy and just a little heavier games are stuttering a lot. Will 5700x3d be better for this task? I mean better than 1600x for sure but that bigger cache will make big difference between x and x3d?
Oh, the 3600 was good enough for me to emulate the PS3, and the 5700X is definitely great for this task (unfortunately I got a real PS3 before I upgraded my CPU so I don't emulate it anymore), but some stutters will happen anyway - just not as badly, after all - it still needs to build shaders once for pretty much everything you can encounter in the game to stay consistent. I don't know how the L3 cache in particular can affect the emulation though... It might be better in theory, idk how much better.
The motherboard, right... Well... I remember that the amount of the VRMs on your mobo can limit your CPU especially with the power supply to it, but I don't remember if that can affect it as much during undervolting. So I guess it could also be a reason for the instability...
And by the way, when undervolting, you are supposed to find the stable minimal amount of voltage for your own particular stone, the silicon lottery and stuff. Hm, have you tried undervolting with the curve optimizer?
This is my PC :P
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man the bottleneck goes crazy, also i highly recommend that you upgrade from i3 2420 to i7 3770 or xeon E3-1230 v2 and even better just get an am4 board
AM4 is amazing. And some great CPUs are quite cheap for their performance.
Ryzen 5 5600 is cheap.
got mine for like £90 i barely use my CPU in game
Mine was like 100€
3770 and 16GB would be fine even for modern games
Yesnt, 720p low-medium sure 1080p and you get so so so so so many drops you might as well lock the game to 30 fps
is the other way around, the cpu will suffer more on 720p
If by suffer you mean it will reach 60fps instead of suffering it at 40 then sure
Very playable and looks good at 1080. Less demanding games can have higher texture setting with curtailed lighting, post processing, and draw distance.
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i briefly had 3770k with max OC with a 3070 while i was waiting for am4. I was really impressed how well it held up on competitive games at 1440p.
A xeon kit can go around 70 bucks, so its pretty cheap
Why should he do that, it works so will it works bottleneck are so much year 2005 we are in 2025 so how cares about it, play you game and 🤐
look for used deals on am4 mb, cpu and ram combo, ppl sell their pc so sometimes you can cop this combo for cheap sometimes look for ryzen 5600 or 5700x3d with mb and 16gb ddr4 ram
He needs an upgrade, badly. Literally any AM4 chip except for some of the excavators is better than his current cpu, and the DDR4 is absolutely worth upgrading to.
Ideally yes - 5700x3d. But even considering how long this CPU will stay relevant, it still might be a bit too expensive compared to R7 5700x and even a regular R5 5600. Especially if it's twice the price of 5700x like it was for me lol. But idk, I was buying new (and upgrading from a regular 3600 because I decided to stay on AM4 for a bit longer), hence I don't know how different current prices are for used parts compared to new ones.
Buying used parts also requires quite a lot of vigilance, and knowledge, and especially - trust in other people...
Anyway, to OP: I personally recommend getting the 5700X, because it's one of the best CPUs with a very high performance for its price (imo the best right now). Add a Noctua cooler, a small undervolt with a small overclock (I did the curve optimizer) - and it becomes a quiet beast (I couldn't get Noctua at a reasonable price, so I picked a Thermalright's Macho). Thanks to my 5700X the CPU bottleneck is pretty much gone (but it's not x3d obviously), the only real limiting factor right now for me is my GPU, but even then the 2080 is very capable, not worth upgrading despite all those absolutely unoptimized modern games, maybe the next generation of AMD's GPUs will be worth upgrading to for the next decade lol.
Damn, I got carried away. Anyway, get yourself some good value CPU :D I hope OP reads this
Buying components used is generally bad advice since it's not rare for people to sell bricked components.
true, need to do due diligence in checking the components
Why do you have IOT version of windows?
LTSC Windows is basically an officially debloated windows version. Absolutely worth using.
IoT is a bit more cut down. As far as I know - a bit better than regular LTSC performance wise.
This is me monitoring and protecting your PC 👀
bro what a waste of GPU power
Look who don't want to switch to W11 at all cost. I like your determination
Not with his hardware anyway lol
And even if he had something modern, the LTSC W10 runs much better than W11 Home, W11 Pro, and even W11 LTSC actually. I wish they would fix that...
W11 ltsc is also a thing? no bullshit w11?
I Like that there are people who can enjoy old Hardware. Good old games dont need expensiv parts.
A Xeon E3 1240 v2 is like $5 and will run in your system no problem
Is this 5 dollar deal in the same room with us?