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It’s ALWAYS been in bits, not bytes…
Bits on the wire, bytes on the drive!
And not even real bytes. Base-10 bytes.
For Storage: MacOs uses MB and shows MB Windows uses MiB and shows MB Linux uses MiB and shows MiB
Atleast MacOs stays consistent, windows is just wrong. The "correct" way is Linux
This is something that really grinds my gears. I have done billing for a large on prem IT provider and explaining to a customer why their Windows Servers Report diffrent numbers then our reporting was so infuriating. No we are not doing our reporting wrong. No we are not billing you to much. Yes, Windows is stupid and uses the wrong naming convention. Yes, we know this because we ran into this with every customer. No we will not charge you less because your operating system is stupid.
Yeah, I also had to many times explain that 1TB! = 1000GiB. Thank god not in a professional context.
factorial terabyte!
I found with customer reports they generally just want to be able to match numbers up with what they see elsewhere, even if elsewhere is wrong. Rather than compromise the correctness of the report, I'd just add another column for the wrong information so they can play their little matching game.
Well, 1 B is 1 B.
But there is a difference between 1KB and 1KiB
Sadly I see some SPI flashes named as Gigabit or Megabit. Micron MT25Q series for example
I don't think anyone regards SPI flash chip as "drive". Also, RAM chips are named in bits, but modules are still in bytes (that's the initial pupose of modules, after all).
I think that that is because it is actually 220 bits, not bytes
Memory chips aren't the same as memory modules or drives. When working with chips you're working with bits, not bytes, as a single byte could be spread across multiple chips wired in parallel.
I don't think I EVER saw an ISP advertise in bytes instead of bits.
because data is transfered in bits, not bytes.
Bytes are just 8 bits so it's kinda both.
Data is transferred in a bitstream, bit by bit. When it's stored it's adressed in bytes. In other words, the transport is on bit layer, but it's organised as bytes. Does the average end user need to know this? No. But that's the reason why different units are used.
There's special cases where data isn't organised in bytes like H.264 encoded video (to save space).
Bytes are more consumable and something people are used to. The reason they use bits isn't because "data is transferred bit by bit" it's because monkey brain see number be bigger.
Wendys had a failed promotion because people thought 1/4 was bigger than 1/3. The average user likely doeant even know the difference between a bit and a byte, so they use the bigger number. When the average person sees Mb they're probably going to assume it's the same as the MB theyre seeing on their computer.
It may very well be that ISPs started with the technical designation and are now stuck with it because switching would show a lower number.
But I don't think it was intentionally chosen as such in the beginning.
Yeah they're in too deep.
The average user is going to go with the provider that says 100Mb/s rather than the one that says 12MB/s.
And why wouldn't they? The people that know the difference know what they're getting anyways and the people that don't know it just go with the higher number.
There's nothing to gain for providers to advertise in bytes.
Uhh… if you’re encoding data using qam, technically you dont send them bits by bits but chunk of bits.
Eeeh, not quite. Bytes are commonly eight bits, but that's not the formal definition. Bytes are the smallest addressable amount of memory, and that can be eight or more or fewer bits. And, as mentioned, in the context of data transmission, one refers less with address than with offset, which itself does not have to be byte-aligned.
Consider that an 8-bit byte computer could be transmitting data to a 6-bit byte computer. Which bitness would you use to quantify the throughput?
Most consumers don't know the difference and 80Mb sounds more impressive than 10MB.
Yes, but the "data" being transferred is pretty much always referenced in bytes.
The cables speed/transfer rate is typically referenced in bits, but any data traveling across those cables are typically referenced as bytes.
An ISP using bytes can just be just a sleezy way of hiding the true network speed.
Well they mostly do it because bigger number looks better on marketing material.
No, sorry, that's not correct. It's because network connection standards are measured in bits per second, not bytes per second. It's been the standard for decades. Your ethernet adapter is 100Mb/s, 1Gb/s, 2.5Gb/s, 10Gb/s, etc. That's the standard. When professionals are designing a network, they're thinking in terms of bits/second at whatever scale makes sense. The ports on your router are capable of certain data transmission rates in bits/second. If you have a network switch, its ports are bits/second capable.
Internet, and network connectivity in general, has always been rated in some multiple of bits/second.
Storage is MB but not MiB. Data transmission is Mb but not MB. 5G used everywhere but can mean anything from 5 Ghz spectrum to "faster**** than 4g".
Still yet to notice true 5G in my country btw.
I don’t know if it’s just me but I feel like they completely throttled any other type of connection except for wifi and 5g in my area to make them seem better. Now it’s extremely rare for LTE to even actually function and fully load a webpage nowadays for me in the occasion I find myself somewhere without 5g coverage.
I agree. And feel like they did the same thing with 3g.
It's called progress 💅
3g is the only fast one where I live lol, 4g and 5g don't have reception
Some places are getting rid of 3g entirely now. So where there was just 3g coverage they'll have nothing 👍
Progress
You are likely somewhat right about that. There are various frequency bands that can be used for 2g, 3g, 4g and even 5g. In my country there is some added complexity because not all providers have a license for all frequency bands.
In my country 2g is being phased out. It's currently running on the 900MHz frequency and 1800Mhz frequency. This will then make space for more 4g or 5g networks. The more bandwidth a provider has on any given frequency will determine the capacity and speed on that network.
This all still requires infrastructure in the form of antenna's; especially for higher frequencies you need a lot because they have a much smaller reach.
4g is my fallback when I'm having data issues in a building. Works fine for me.
I’ve always chocked it up to the fact that I’m only on LTE when I’m in really bad cell coverage. Sure, my phone may think it has LTE, but reality is that it’s only showing that because it’s getting the slightest heartbeat of a signal
Probably autocorrect, but it's chalked up, not chocked.
That's not necessarily malicious though. If most people use 5g and 4g there is going to be less support and investment for the 3g infrastructure. It makes sense.
Easier to replace the transmitters on the towers than add on new ones alongside the old ones.
I feel like this is what happened in my area too, except only since I switched phones. Both were 5g phones but my old one actually had usable 4g, this one doesnt
I know a lot about that, I used to work for Verizon.
they developed their own cell towers, meaning they could name their invention whatever the hell they wanted, they called it Verizon 5G and 5GUW, some bs like that.
anyway, standard 4G around the world is 100mb/s, Verizon 5G is 30mb/s (top speed not granted speed, it can be 2 mb/s depending on zone), 5GUW anywhere between 100 and 300 mb/s.
I worked for boost infinite too, it's called boost infinite because it has infinite internet, but in the terms and conditions you sign that they can deliver you the internet at 0kb per second.
Storage is where it gets weird. Manufacturers sell it as MB, Windows reports it as MiB with a MB label. This is why your 500 GB drive is 454 GB when you plug it in.
5G used everywhere but can mean anything from 5 Ghz spectrum to "faster**** than 4g"
The G stands for generation, not GHz. 4G also ran at around 5Ghz. Fast 5G is notably higher frequency than that. It also includes slower bands for coverage.
He knows, you know but the ISPs don't, that's probably what's he is talking about.
ISPs in my country have their own standardized WiFi names on their routers for home network.
2.4GHz WiFi SSID is named like "Internet (ISP name)"
5GHz WiFi SSID is named like "Internet 5G (ISP name)"
So people less technical than us think, they got "5G" in their home when it's clearly just a marketing gimmick.
Ehh, 5G NR defines a lot more than just FR2. It also arranges for an expanded MIMO and more variable subcarrier spacing on the FR1 side which provides more reliable and thus faster communications in the old frequency range, even in heavily built environments.
I think people are mostly complaining about LTE + minor backend infrastructure changes being suddenly called "5G Evolution" instead of "4G and we're restructuring our infrastructure to be compatible with 5G".
Yeah, I find the 5g speeds on phones bullshit, like it technically should be fast enough to run a 1080p video fine on my phone, but fuck if it doesn't load like I'm on an old DSL line.
5G is just a term that covers a broad technology spectrum. For example, the 600Mhz band is only available on 5G hardware and is far slower than LTE, but also reaches MUCH farther
Yeah the thing is that a lot of 5G research is and has been about is dealing with the fact that you've got a shitton of knobs to play with to optimize data transfer. So you're trying to figure out what the optimal settings are for a specific kind of connection in that kind of environment with current weather with certain kind of signal quality requirements. 5G especially on higher frequencies gets really fiddly so while sure, you can get pretty absurd transfer rates, you'll have to basically have to have direct line of sight between the antennas, can't move, can't have too many walls around to cause interference through multipathing, be in clear weather and be actually within like a hundred meters to the antenna to be able to achieve it.
I found that if I flip my VPN on suddenly the 1080p video works flawlessly
Storage is in MiB on some Linux distros.
It’s actually MiB on most OS but it’s erroneously labeled as MB including in windows. On Mac OS they use the correct MB that’s why you see the exact drive capacity as advertised on Mac but not on windows devices.
Bro, you just blew my mind. That's why my 2TB drive is 1.81 TB, I thought it was maybe just Windows provisioning the drive and/or the drive having other space reserved for important things, I didn't realize it was just Windows being stupid. Thanks for teaching me something new.
I want to point out this is due to drive marketing horse shit.
I just looked it up MiB etc didn't come into usage until 1998. Before that it was always understood storage values were base 2. 210 was a KB 220 MB etc. Because everything is done in binary on a computer.
But of course drive manufacturers wanted to use base 10 as it would make it sound bigger. And eventually in 98 they decided to declare the original base 2 values this new silly name. As someone from the old days I will die on this hill a proper megabyte is 220 bytes. You wanna label your drives in base 10 values for marketing? Got for it you can call it in Mebibytes etc. The IEC members who did this should be tarred and feathered.
Tl;Dr: the clowns at the IEC changed the definition of MB etc in 1998 for marketing purposes. Windows isn't actually wrong it is following what was used since the dawn of modern computing.
As per SI, a kilo prefix has to mean a thousand. It always did, but it was traditionally rounded up to 1024...
It's not about money. It's about having a universally understandable unit system.
yes, that is how those units work
No one told me there would be math
I've only ever seens Mbps for megabits. Never seen the Mb/s myself
It means the same thing. I've seen both. I think they tend to use Mbps more because it appears more professional than Mb/s
Mbs-1
there's always one gyu
There's always -1
opposite actually, '/' is more seen has pro
using 'p' means youre just too american to write '/' which everyone else uses
I've seen Mbps used in other countries, not just the US. Could just be your region that does Mb/s more
It makes sense, data transmission is done in bits.
Everything is done in bits. A byte is 8 bits. The rest is just marketing fluff.
Not quite, you cannot send 1 bit of data. A computer cannot work with single bits. The smallest unit it can process is a byte in most cases.
That's true for today's common computers. But there are computers and networking equipment that can send individual bit, and when these terms were all being defined, that was normal. When the term "byte" was coined at IBM it had no standardized length, you worked bit-by-bit and instructions would specify what their byte length was.
That’s why everyone was talking in present tense until you brought up the past.
I don’t mean to be a dick btw, it’s just weird, a nice fun fact but you brought it out like you’re correcting him.
Yeah but it's still misleading given that every metric that is relevant to the average customer is in bytes not bits. What makes more sense than "data transmission is in bits so it's best to advertise the connection speed in bits" is "advertising our speed in bits makes the numbers look higher and more impressive and the vast majority of customers will expect higher speeds"
100% guarantee that if it was the other way around and data transmission was done in bytes but our operating systems displayed speed in bits that they would still advertise speed in bits and not give two shits how the data transmission side worked. It's just classic corporate shithousery.
Network transmission speeds have been measured in bits per second since networking was invented in the 60s, wayyy before corporate ISPs existed, and before the word "byte" was standardized to mean 8 bits. Different computers had different byte lengths and many had variable byte lengths, including the first one to use bytes.
At some point it may have been convenient to switch from bits to bytes for commercial purposes. But whoever made that switch would've been criticized as creating needless confusion. When the entire industry has been using a unit for decade, what do you gain by being the only to one switching to a different but similarly named and abbreviated unit?
Yes, but we are talking marketing here. I'm sure there are countless of examples out there where some units that are industry standard are converted to units that are more relevant and accessible to the consumer for advertising purposes. Or when in doubt take the number that is higher. That's what the person you're responding to meant by corporate shithousery.
This isn't misleading. Network data transfer speeds have always been standardized with throughput measured in bits per seconds. Just because your use case when it comes to storage being measured in bytes does not warrant something network related, in this case an ISP, to change their throughput measurement to your example. Take buying a router, a network switch, or an ethernet adapter. NONE of these items will advertise their speeds in bytes per second and for good reason. It's just not the standard unit for data transfer over a network.
So what. Everything is technically done in bits. Including memory and storage. Why not stay consistent and use byte for speeds?
Because bigger numbers look more impressive on adverts. And it's not the poor ISP's fault that the punters don't know the difference, is it?
That's not why they do it. I mean, it's certainly a factor that dissuades them from changing how they do it, but it's not where that custom started.
Back in the old days, modems were slow enough that their transmission rates were best measured in bits per second (well, baud, but in many causes baud and bitrate were the same). My first modem was a 100 baud modem, transmitting 100 bits per second. Calling it a 12.5 byte/second modem would have been accurate but a bit silly, because fractions make sense for big numbers because when calculated out they come out to integer numbers (6.4 kb = 6,400 bytes), but 12.5 bytes is...12.5 bytes. There's no such thing as "12,500 millibytes".
So from the very start, standard modem speeds were in integral number bits (100 bps and 300 bps, not 12.5 Bps and 37.5 Bps). That just stuck while the numbers got bigger: 600 bps, 1.2 kbps, etc. etc.
RAM, hard disks, and floppy disks, on the other hand, never had capacities that were fractions of a byte. The first ever floppy disk had (apparently) a capacity of 80,000 bytes. Not 80,000.5 bytes or anything. So from the very start, these were all measured in bytes, not bits.
Sure, ISPs have stuck with bps instead of switching to Bps, but the reason that memory and storage are in B and telecoms are in b is not a calculated move to get bigger numbers (otherwise HDD manufacturers and RAM manufacturers would also be using b instead of B) but instead a historical relic.
hdd manufacturers
they literally do something very similar where capacities are advertised in decimal bytes yet 99% of consumers are going to see the capacity on their machine in binary bytes, leading people to wonder why their drive advertised as "1 tb" is only actually 930gb
It's always been measured in bits. When I first got online it was baud - 300 baud, 1200 baud, 2400 baud (that was the speed of my fist internet connection). Nothing has changed, other than the preponderance of clueless people not understanding how connection speed is described
My first was a 1200bps. I can vividly remember my Commodore 64 drawing the screen in line by line!
Yeah I read at about 4000 baud. 2400 was painfully slow. I can't imagine 1200.
I used to know a guy who first got online using an acoustic coupler at 300 baud. OMFG
Because the size of a byte is variable, and networking equipment and software supports arbitrary sizes of bytes
Name one present day platform where byte is not 8 bits.
Unisys is still making mainframes, and OS 2200 is still getting updates, the last one being 2 years ago. The IRS runs on it for example.
OS 2200 uses a 36-bit int size, and a 6 bit byte size.
They're not common, especially not in the consumer market, but they definitely still exist.
No, data transmission is done in bytes. It is why packets have variable buffers so that their contents are always divisible by 8
Multiply and divide by 8. 800Mbps == 100MBps
Yeah it’s… literally the same thing. Back in the day, when a 5 Mbps connection was like… crazy fast, it was probably a lot easier to advertise than 600 KBps. And the fact that your network card is rated in bits as well probably lends to that.
Are we mad that you thought you were going to download at 150 megabytes per second? Because that’s… faster than most routers.
..... Is it bad that I remember 56k modems giving you around 7KB/s down...
Brother, I used to tie up that phone line for weeks at a time.
Should use the Pam meme template; it's the same thing.
Rick strikes me as more black hat than redhat
Data transfer speeds have always been measured in bits per second, it's not just deceitful advertising.
Which reminds me, I noticed that fresh Steam installations now default to bits per second, probably because so many people kept complaining that Steam didn't seem to download games at full speed.
I don't understand...this meme reads like you're getting your units mixed up then blaming the ISP for your mistake.
This is 100% what is happening
Megabits vs Megabytes
You're getting 18MB/s?! Whoa!
Edit: Can you all please stop gloating. I'm im Australia. 12MB/s is considered excellent.
In the UK I’m getting 112MB/s for fairly cheap.
This is why I hate people typing "mb". I know they can't be talking about millibits, so all it tells me is that they don't care about correct capitalisation and therefore there is no way of parsing it unambiguously.
I spent my childhood with a down speed of 120kbps. Anything higher is good enough for me. Go over the M and i get a hard on
Same. I now have a 5 Gbps connection and I just can't wrap my head around it. I was at 6 Mbps until 8 years ago
The amount of people who confuse bit with byte...well it's just too damn high.
I don't see the issue...
Is the same thing
I mean bandwidth is always in bits per seconds but file transfer, as in downloading is in Bytes per seconds.
They're selling bandwidth even though all you are interested in is downloading your shit.
In a software kind of view, yes it's almost always in Bytes because you're handling files, that's the end user part.
ISPs have nothing to do with it, they only provide hardware that works with raw data and payloads and it uses bits!
What sites or tools did you guys use to know the actual Mbps? Regarding to the meme
8 bits (lowercase b) in a byte (uppercase B).
150 Mb/s / 8 = 18,75 MB/s
Thankss, I really appreciate that
There are 8 bits in a byte
Bits aren't bytes.
Tell me you understand nothing about networking without telling me you understand nothing about networking.
It's megabit vs megabyte. Speed is measured in bits, storage is measured in bytes. Why, because they've done so for decades and have no reason to change. In general divide the advertised max speed by ten then take off another 20% and that will be the approximate max megabytes per second you can get.
they count the network in bits instead of bytes because the network is benchmarked based on the number of 0 and 1's it can pass through a cable. Disk space is counted as bytes because CPUs process a minimum number of 8 bits at a time (1 byte) and single bit operations are very expensive on the processors
just divide by 8, also dont use xfinity, theyre a scam
Okay. I'll stop using xfinity and just use one of the other 0 providers that service my house
I used to think my data speed is very low, around 80 MB/s compared to others here, but then I realised that people state their speed in Mbps. 80 MB/s = 640 Mb/s
Pesky little factor of 8.
Im fine with 18MBps, my parents have 200mbps but they get like 15 max.
ADSL is criminal nowadays in most developed countries.
Inconsistent speeds and contention ratios. I'm so glad to be on gigabit fibre.
Looking to buy a house soon and the Internet service availability is the first thing I look at after the size and price 😅
I was having to share a 24mbit line with 4 people recently. One person decides they wanna download something on Game Pass and it's like you're back on dialup for the rest of the day.
Love it when ISP tech support don’t know the difference between megabyte and megabit and will happily tell you that you’ll get 100 megabytes with the more expensive package
Im paying for 500 fiber, but i talked with the guy for a while and was cool during the installation. I dont ever see 500. 600-800 always
Just wait till you hear how every single ARM and x86 CPU we use these days is little-endian but TCP/IP uses big-endian, so all of our traffic is always flipped and needs to be byte swapped!
I mean it's irrelevant but cool to know
Can't confirm, my ISP promises up to 500 Mbit through fiber optic and usually delivers 500+ Mbit.
This reminds me how once Airtel, an ISP here in India told me the download speeds on their broadband are 4x lower and not 8x lower as compared to other ISPs. How the fuck is that even possible unless they have somehow changed units of measurements? XD
I don't see the issue O_o
That's on you if you don't understand what it means, do your own research
I actually had this conversation with my internet provider. I told them I was switching to a different company, and to keep me, they offered “500 Megabytes per second” for the same price I was already paying. I said, “If you can really give me that, I’ll never leave — I’d have the fastest internet in the country!”
The adviser seemed confused. I had to explain to them — someone whose job it is to sell this service — the difference between a megabit and a megabyte… and that what they were offering wasn’t just wrong; it was basically misleading every customer they spoke to.
Can someone explain why Steam defaults to MB/s?
Why use that?
I don't think I've ever seen any other download service use MB/s. Isn't it default to use mbps?
Whenever I see Steam's MB/s (at least b4) it was always so confusing. Oh daym I just learned that it's 10 MB/s isn't 100 Mbps lol.
1 MBps is equal to 8 Mbps.
In my head, the small b is bits, bc bits sounds smaller than "bites (bytes) lol. My brain is weird but I like trying to learn
just wait until they will say mb/s (milibuckets)
There are 8 bits in one byte; it's as simple as that.
It's actually less. That's why they provide it in Mb/s in the 1st place. The number they are giving is a raw physical limit of bytes that the link is able to transfer per second. But there is also error ratio (which as you probably noticed is not ussually uncluded) which inplies that there is also error correction. So for every 8 bits transfered you don't get 1 byte of data - there are also checksums.
The exact amount of error correction bits does not depend directly on your internet provider, so from their point of view giving speeds as bits/s rather than bytes/s is the sanest thing to do.
Honestly this isn't a problem, as that's the correct conversion. My bigger beef is 1,000,000 bytes = 1 Megabyte on storage drives.
The way ISPs play fast and loose with units is so frustrating, bits vs bytes feels like a deliberate trick to make speeds sound better. And don’t even get me started on how “5G” has become a meaningless marketing term for anything slightly faster. It’s wild how they get away with this stuff while actual infrastructure improvements lag behind.
I work for a fiber ISP in T2 support. I have reported every single fucking piece of shit sales rep that lies to customers with that capital B shit. I take a lot of time to explain the difference to any customers who seem confused, even if I get my ass chewed out. This sucks for the Tech side so much.
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Wait you mean MB doesn't mean Mb?....
/s
That just so happens to be my exact internet speed.
I’m going to be charitable. Maybe, they are referencing that a regular person only interacts with data in GB or MB on their phone storage or game downloads on console/pc. Then when ISPs do their marketing they use mbps instead of the MBps that a regular, non techie person would assume. So then they get a lower speed than expected. Other possibility as all the other comments have pointed out, yeah maybe this person just doesn’t get that you divide by 8 to go from one number to the other and it’s the correct way to represent data speed.
These two are not the same unit
Speed is in bits, storage is in bytes. It's not hard to understand and has always been like this.
You guys are getting more than like 50Mb/s?
Tell me you're from Australia without telling me. I feel you.
Yeeeep. Someone actually downvoted me as well lol
Entry level fiber packages are 10 ~ 20Mbps where I live. I've used it before and it's 1000x times better than the overly congested 4/5G options we have.
It might be slow but it is stable.
Using fiber for 10 mbps speeds is criminal
This is why I preferred getting accustomed to Mbps rather MBps, I just have to multiply MBps by 8 so don't feel bad about my internet speed
Lower case is bits upper is bytes. 8 bits to a byte. ISPs love this one simple trick.
My dad had been a bell customer for 60 some odd years, got internet the second you could. We used to have a 25MB/s unlimited connection as a kiddo. Blew me and my dad's mind when I downloaded a huge game instead of putting in a CD; it was faster than CDs or hard drive transfers!
One day Bell called my dad, told him he could switch to "50" for cheaper
he switched, and it was 50mbps lol cue pissed off dad and myself
Bell wouldnt switch us back, said they no longer offer that plan and couldnt put us back on the old one.
scumbags.
I love when they say it's MB but it's really Mb
Honestly, the next time I get internet and they use a capital B, I will sue them. Class action baby. Ill make sure you get your check for $5
more liike $0.05
Probably they'll donate the money to charity of their choice.
Ceos kids trust fund
The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good.
The Human Fund
Human Fund? I like it.
I assume you've watched Seinfeld?
Not in many years, great show though. But I thought we were doing the human music gag from Rick and Morty. Is that a Seinfeld call back?
Yeah, it is. One year when George was working at Kruger, he was supposed to give Christmas gifts to everyone in the office. I forget if he didn't have the cash or was just too cheap, but instead of giving his coworkers actual gifts, he gave them cards which said that donations had been made in their names to The Human Fund. It's the Festivus episode.
Then the boss wants to make a big donation to a fund raiser, and chooses the Human Fund. George has to tell him it's made up, and that the Christmas present was actually nothing
)Episode of Seinfeld (S9 E10) The Strike.
Oh that's hilarious, thanks for telling me about it. I'm gonna watch that ep now lol
Nope, It is from the "The Strike"
Episode of Seinfeld (S9 E10).
Cheers!
Will someone please think of the poor starving class action lawyers?!?!
Bruh is this a deep cut from that verizon call? Dude had to go up the food chain of a call centre because they couldnt figure out the difference between something like "point oh one dollar" and "point oh one cent"
https://xkcd.com/verizon/ theres the audio log
I got $45 from the recent Facebook settlement. That's was nice.
Nice, those come about pretty rarely I think
That's why they all say "up to (speed)". What? 9600 baud is "up to" 1000 Mb!
This guy shannons.
But I'm pretty sure your up and download speeds have to be fairly close...like 80% of the advertised speeds, otherwise you have grounds for compensation.
And you bet they're not even 1% faster than they're legally required
They aren't even being held to their "Internet facts". Good luck.
Did Simba give up on becoming king? Yes technically, but he still did it damnit.
I got a check for like 250 from microsoft by pretending I bought like 20 licenses of office on the survey from a class action.
Best half/hour I ever wasted.
Can't sue them if they say "up to #MB" because technically you can get up to that amount but you won't ever reach it
No, its completely impossible to get up to 50MBs when they have you on a 50Mbs connection
But that's the thing, the "up to" saves them regardless or whether it's possible or not
no it doesn't. that's why none of them do it.
More like $5/8
If ISPs had to cut a check for $5 to everyone they’ve screwed over or lied to they would all be out of business in a day
thank you for your service
More like $0.625
Who does that exactly?
lowercase b is bit, uppercase B is byte which consists of 8 bits, so there's an 8x speed difference between 1Gbps and 1GBps for example
EDIT: misread the comment above as what does it do not who does it, and apparently 100 other people did so too
All ISPs I've ever had contact with use bit. I've never seen anyone in my country or pretty much anywhere I've been use byte. Since that's false advertising.
yep. it's industry-standard to refer to throughput using Mbps. but consumer software in storage is typically displayed in MB because it's static data, not throughput. that's not new or controversial (although it can be misleading. and then there's MB vs. MiB, too lol)
this post just display's OP's and others' lack of understanding
The fact we're being lied to by Big IT regarding MB when it should be MiB is not spoken enough of.
Nod Ya Head!
It really depends on countries, how bad your ISPs are, and if your country actually enforces their false advertising laws.
He said who does that… not what is the different. Can people just not read these days why is this upvoted?
Some transfer techs also have a start and stop bit for each byte, making the ratio 10x on those :o)
technically it's actually a 10x speed difference
there is an 8x between 1Gibps and 1GiBps though
love how nothing likes using the same values, a nice example of GiB vs GB is storage space, lets say you buy a 1000 GB drive, windows decides to tell you its 931 GB while its actually just in GiB
All British ISPs if you don't pay attention. They'll sell 150 like it's tonnes then you get on a internet speed test and see it flagging around 17.
I get 50megabytes down the line because I specifically asked them for that, making great importance of the bits and bytes
Who's your ISP? I'd love to see where they advertise in megabytes/second vs megabits/second.
Yeah I know western europe suffers.
I'll make you shed a tear. I pay about 6.8 GBP for 1000mbs unlimited per month. Minimum speed I've had wireless on my PC was 300Mb. Average is about 800 both up and down
Max speed while wired was 930 down with 850 up.
Perks of living in Romania.
But there are shitty companies like Orange and Vodafone that sell you gigabit with max 30mb upload.
7 pounds for a uncapped 1000mb?
Holy shit that's cheap.
Yessir.
I swear to god if you live in Cluj.
🫡
I pay 7 times more for gigabit in America than I would back home in Moldova but you're never gonna make me go back to the family dirt farm.
Here is am waiting for TB
name your country and ISP that advertises bytes while only providing bits
it does not happen in the US, and I'm pretty certain it doesn't happen in any OECD countries