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[Record] Arsenal returned to London without a deal: Gyökeres on the brink; Transfer in jeopardy after 2 days without progress. There is a short distance separating the teams Arsenal are offering €65M + €5M + €10M and Sporting are demanding a fixed €70M
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Transfer in jeopardy after 2 days without progress
What is this, FIFA career mode?
What do you mean? Transfers get done within the same day, as soon as i hit "Negotiate"
"I'm sorry. There's clearly a big discrepancy between your valuation of Gyokeres and ours. I feel like I've wasted my time coming here. There's no point continuing the negotiations. Bye for now." -Sporting
‘The club are no longer willing to discuss a deal for this player during the window’
The worst sixteen words in FIFA Career Mode.
Save scum inc
Oh, you know it!
Why don't they just savescum. Is Arteta stupid?
"Oh shit his fucking market value percentage went into the red. Gotta restart the negotiations of his potential is less"
and then he storms out of… Artetas office in London
His London Home Office? Or his Emirates Office? Or the Colney Office?
the restaurant office
And then you can return in a week and buy him for the exact same bid.
You can hit them up again after a week and they will often give you more favourable demands
You joke but Im terrified this happens with the Nunez transfer.
If Arsenal screws this up, r/soccercirclejerk gonna have a field day
DCL on a free incoming!
More like Nicolas Jackson packing his bags.
Kepa, Jackson, Madueke, Sterling, Felix, 150M package deal, who says no?
Steam Summer Sale Bundle?
Real steam bundle would be Chelsea or City buying them and not playing them at all
Just because I have 150 games that I haven't played yet doesn't give you the right to call me out like that!
HumbleBundle™
Anyone who saw Sterling play for Arsenal last season?
We say no, too cheap.
Inject it into my veins, baby
Auba comeback arc?
Its more like Sporting screwing this up imo
“Hi, thanks for your offer and I’m glad the club accepted. My agent and I are really looking forward to discussing terms with you.”
When you make a ridiculous offer and the club accepts but you have no interest in signing the player.
"I was expecting you would at least negotiate after your interest. We expect not to hear from you again."
Or you use up all your budget in the transfer offer unknowingly and can only offer the 90+ rated player £67 a week
God I hate the lack of sliders on the transfer/wage budget split
What? When did this happen? I've got fifa 18 and I have sliders.
I have them on fifa 22 too. It’s a nice option for limiting my transfer budget if I wanna play more realistically
They got rid of them a few years ago. Think since 23 or 24. Definitely gone in 25.
That's crazy. I don't understand why ea keep removing decent features and limiting the game. What's the reasoning? I tried fifa 25 a few months ago and crosses are useless because every header hits the ground! They've intentionally made crosses useless, why?
EA doesn’t bother to actually try to balance the game well and when headers are good they’re way too good
The change in headers from 24 to 25 was obnoxious. Can barely get them on target in 25.
So they can reintroduce it after 3-5 years with some fancy name and swindle us out of our money.
So that any mode other than Ultimate Team sucks to play because they want you to do microtransactions
Gone in 24 already
Throwback to when Goldbridge gave a player 7M a week in salary
We have to wait until next week to go back and negotiate now
Just reload the save
Gotta be honest... as someone who speaks Spanish I was hesitant to click at first.
My Espanol is rusty, and it’s mostly good for ordering food and getting directions. What’s it mean?
Tit
Course it does..
Serious answer: the folks in charge of negotiations are paid very well for their services, and if it's clear that the two companies clubs have truly reached an impass, then there's no point in wasting everyone's time and money, best to move on the next target.
Fuck outta here with your rational, accurate answer!
"We are extremely disappointed that you stalled the offer. We have decided not to ahead with the deal."
It’s eafc btw
No one calls it that.
I really struggle to believe things like this because in relative terms it seems like such a small gap. There has to be more to it.
Our deal for Mbeumo has been close for weeks now and seemingly only a few million in it. I’d imagine a lot of it is guarantees or installments.
Yeah I'm sure that's the case - just the reporting of it is always so crap.
Sports journos steal a living
🚨u/mahir_r gives his HONEST opinion of Journalism FC:
🗣️“Sports Journalists STEAL a living and I want them PENNILESS and HEARTBROKEN💔”>
He is NOT going to change his mind. Deal was NEVER on as reported here exclusively💣
not a direct quote.
Give me money
HEY THIS IS NOT WHAT I SAID
I ALSO SAID I WANT THEM TO HAVE NO BITCHES
🪛⛓️💥u/mahir_r follows up his CONTROVERSIAL quote with another on Journalism FC:
“I hope they never see the light of day and bathe in their own blood for milennia to come!”*️⃣
He has NO notion to join Journalism FC. Deal NEVER on as revealed exclusively here 5 minutes ago. 🤟
*️⃣made up
you're giving me fabrizio ptsd .
please stop I'm so sick of that man
On god
Nobody really makes a living by writing that Arsenal is interested in some transfer lol.
I mean, technically it IS possible to monetize it, but it's basically same effort as monetizing any other content now, be it fiction or just repeating after others.
Brentford want most of the fee upfront so they can give Keith some spending power. I imagine Utd can’t offer 45+ upfront without selling players themselves.
Fair play to yous - not many clubs these days who avoid paying in installments but clearly yous are trying to.
We’re just at a point where we don’t have that much money left to draw from the bank even though we’re making so much in revenue.
I think we’d have been more inclined with an installment plan if Frank was still there, but with all the changes going on we need financial certainty as we move into a new era. Not just players we have to worry about, Frank took a lot of back room staff too.
Never thought I’d read this last line and it being about Man Utd.
I think it's more of if we do that we basically end any chance of buying anyone else this summer unless we get a huge windfall from sales.
The Mbeumo deal isn't done yet? Wow, I assumed he'd been signed for a while now
Nope, Brentford seemingly are holding for the majority of it to be up front. We’re at the same ballpark figure but we want more in instalments. They’ve played it well (assisted by the fact that Mbeumo hasn’t forced a move either) be using the similar fees for Elanga and Cunha to be a benchmark.
We've got literally all the cards. He's got a year left with a year club option.
They need to pay if they want him, it's not like we're averse to selling - we just sold our captain!
I've been on the selling and buying side of a few ten+ million pound contract deals, not in football but it's the closest I've got and they're so unbelievably complex.
On one we spent a week haggling over 30k in a deal worth 16m, those fine details are what always takes the time for some reason.
Tell me about it. I am in a contract stalemate about the stupidest line.
Like if there is a serious breach during a project who is responsible for cost and so on. The lawyers been haggling for literal wording that will be released so the company does not look bad.
We did like 100s of projects and had 0 incidends. But cant explain it to either set of lawyers. Theey just wont sign on it and are refusing to be flexible.
On the other hand I also did multi milion deal that had like 5 pages and took 3 hours of negotiation.
I asked an attorney of the San Antonio Spurs what the hardest part of their job was and it was negotiating clauses like you mentioned in contracts not involving players (stadium vendors, advertisers, etc)
Tbf their job is literally to prepare for the one time something does go wrong
As a lawyer can confirm. We get hit for malpractice or sacked the one time things go tits up.
The lawyer will always highlight the risk, it's what they are paid for. And they know people are going to call for their head if things go bad 1 year into the contract.
That said, lawyers should not have final say on any deal. Let them give their advice and have people who actually run the business take the final call.
This is basic negotiating you have to be prepared to walk away otherwise you get mugged
There’s also an opportunity cost to factor in. If Arsenal don’t get the first choice striker they need, how much will that cost them?
I'm guessing he's first choice only at the right price, not at any cost.
It has been widely reported that arteta thinks sesko is his first choice, but Red Bull wants too much money so they said okay fine and went to their second choice.
If the cost for Gyokeres gets too close to the cost for the first choice they'll just switch back or move to the third.
65 + unachievable add-ons probably, and they want base 70 + a bit more on top in actually doable ones.
It was 65m with 5m easier add ons and 10m harder add ons
What are the harder ones? Arsenal winning the league?
Arsenal not signing Chelsea rejects
We can quit any time we want! It’s not a problem!
Arsenal Invincibles™ 2.0
It says 65+5+10 which means 5 are easy add ons
I heard it was 65 + 150 if they win a trophy
Its just negotiation tactics
Ones tryna oversell and ones tryna undercut
Its just a game of cat and mouse which I reckon Sporting will eventually yield on
Could be that Sporting are being difficult, it could have also been a way for Arsenal to try and negotiate a lower price for Sesko who they seemed to want more.
Not entirely impossible, they lost their talismanic coach and are about to lose their goal machine striker for less than they want even though he has a bunch of time on his deal. They want all the money possible.
Well... it's not a small gap if it's 55 fixed + 5 for EPL title + 10 for UCL title... it all depends on the conditions around the add ons. As well as how installment effect finances for teams that have (relatively) much less revenue that a team like Arsenal
It’s usually all about the structure of the deal. The valuations might only be a tad out by sporting want that in 3 years for example and Arsenal wanna pay it in 5.
Yeah I’d they’re that close it’s more one side trying to apply some pressure to the other to close it.
I also struggle to believe that a journalist knows that much detail
The structure matters to both clubs for accounting purposes. So the deals take time to iron out the technical terms. The overall amount isn't really an issue.
Could also be about how much is paid upfront/how many installments
And the gap is in the wrong direction
Tbh Arsenal has went way over the line already when the rumour is true the player had the word of the sporting director to go for 60+10 or whatever.
Maybe the issue is over the structuring payment of the fee
Why spend 5 mil when you don’t think you have to. He’s said he won’t train with them, or play for them again, he’s absolutely adamant he wants Arsenal, and as far as Arsenal are concerned they’ve made a fair offer… as time goes on, with him skipping training, it only become more pressure on Sporting.
If they go into the season with Gyo going home to see family like Tevez did - it will be exceedingly embarrassing and costly. Meanwhile, Arsenal don’t have much to lose. They can always sign a different striker they like similarly much.
Teams got to draw the line in these negotiations somewhere
I mean, in any negotiation on linear scale, there logically HAS to be a "hard no" number, otherwise you just don't negotiate but adjust your stance until it fully fits the other side. If any side was like "meh, what's 5 million euro", then the other would just move 5 million more, and so on. Maybe that number just happens to be 70 million.
Wow Portugese papers with zero chill lmao. Literally 2 contradictory news.
r/soccer getting to know Record is quite interesting. They're not even good as toilet paper.
I just imagine some Portuguese cunt trying it out and launching into a tirade, inexplicably getting disappointed from them even there.
Almost as if they are all just making shit up
Portuguese transfer news are infamously the most bs out there.
It'll legit be 2 journos from the same parent company with the same sources giving absolute opposite news, the Portuguese special
Yeah always ignore them when it's a single paper reporting it. Usually if all of them report it it's likely true, until then there's no point in taking anything seriously
There is literally another Portuguese newspapers that says we are ready to pay 70+10m
That paper was quoting "reports from England", which don't really exist.
Hey! Alfie down at the pub exists!
Crazy achievement for HITC Sevens
Freddie Adu would have to be the agent
There is always a report from England
A Bola wasn't saying it from their sources, they said in the article they are quoting " media reports from England"
But both Record and abola are not that reliable.
Cnnportugal got the things right on Sunday.
I would wait for more reports
CNN.
I won't believe it until Amanpour reports it.
Amanpour myself a beer once this striker saga is over 😅
Record is basically the mouthpiece for Gyokeres's agent. They print whatever he wants or says to them.
That's Romano sir. Record just report whatever bullshit Romano spouts
I don't even think it's the agent. Knowing how unreliable they are, it's probably Gyokeres' gopher who gets him **looks up what Swedes eat for breakfast** kanelbulla from the local Swedish bakery in Lisbon (there actually is one, although it's run by a Portuguese man who just lived in Sweden).
Which one?
Abola I think.
This deal will get done 5m will not makes us go away.
They will want to get it done before he has to return for preseason. And we will want him for our preseason
they were quoting "English sources" but dont specify which one
I'm not even sure we were even in Portugal, since at the same time it was reported Berta was out there negotiating, photos got leaked of him welcoming Norgaard to the training center the same morning, lol.
There is a tomato red geezer with an Arsenal polo in Albufeira who is giving all these quotes.
Reliable reports confirmed an Arsenal delegation was in Portugal during the weekend. Berta might have returned by yesterday. We also have other people doing the negotiations. It won't just be Berta.
No people just misread/didn't read past the headline. It wasn't saying Berta was there but that he was there last Friday
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By who? I'm referring to the BBC report on Monday which many took to mean, as it was re reported by many that, he was there now, but if you read the article it says end of the last week
I mean it’s a 2 hour flight with the use of private jets
He could have been out there from 8 am to 12pm last night and be welcoming Norgaard first thing this morning with relative ease to be fair
Done that a few times, just over the weekend, and instead of a private jet, it was Ryan air, and instead of welcoming Norgaard I was greeting my boss, and instead of a dream job in football, it was an office that was trying to be cool and people pretending they love working there. Perfect way to deal with a hangover.
basically the same thing really, I'll back you for Berta's job when he eventually leaves
Installments vs. upfront must be huge deal hold up
Record are absolute shitters, they were literally reporting the deal was gonna be done in a few hours yesterday afternoon.
Transfer in jeopardy over a €5m difference? Lol come on, now.
I always laugh because it’s tiny in the context of this deal and football in general, but 5 million is enough to grow in perpetuity while living pretty comfortably off the interest. That’s life changing money.
I’ll pay those myself if it ends the saga
What’s the difference between “+5+10” and normal add ons?
Essentially:
Normal add-ons that are one lump sum don't include multiple different clauses to triggering them.
The "+5+10" bit is like this:
+5 - add-ons that are easy to trigger. Something like total number of apperances needed to trigger that clause.
+10 - harder add-ons. Needing something like scoring a certain amount of goals, winning trophies or something like that to trigger them
Thanks!
Typically harder ones are like Ballon d'Or
Lol talk about sensationalism
I wish we had a president like Sporting’s. This whole saga has given me a lot of respect for him
All of it really shows is how stupid gyokeres and his shady agent are to agree to a gentlemen’s agreement in something as important as a transfer. They got taken to the cleaners rightfully so
Edit: people keep bringing up the fact that a number was never part of the agreement but thats not the point. Agreeing to do anything without getting that in writing is idiotic. If its true that Sporting agreed to letting him go under the release clause thats still a gentlements agreement that the agent should have gotten in writing
The agent claimed to have the release clause thing in writing a while back.
Odd how quiet that went.
There never was any agreement, it's all bullshit made up by his agent. The only thing Sporting agreed to, was to not charge the full release clause at 100 million due to his age but never specified a number. The whole 60 million was made up by the agent to force a move
Thats fine but Regardless of whether there was a number or not, its wildly stupid and naive to not get something explicit in writing. Verbal handshakes and gentlemen’s agreements are for deciding who has to pay for the next round of drinks with your mates. Relying on that for your potential transfer is amateur hour stuff.
What you described still sounds like a “gentlemens agreement” even if it’s not what the agent is describing.
Varandas said there was no 60M+10M€ agreement. Only that he promised that he would not require the 100M€ release clause, because "no 27 year old leaves the Primeira Liga for 100M€"
The whole "gentleman agreement" is likely a agent invention. He claims to have evidence, but so far as shown nothing.
You do realise what a gentleman’s agreement is right?
Yes. That's not what's in question here.
The agent has claimed a GA that would see a 60M€+10M€ be accepted.
Later he changed it, claiming that there is a written agreement.
Varandas has denied it and clarified what was agreed.
His manager wasn’t even able to prove that such an agreement existed. It was just mention of a clause where his manager got 10% if a 60m bid would get rejected which sounds like the opposite of a gentleman agreement.
I'm getting mixed messages from this headline.
There is no way the deal falls through over 5m lol
We let you get Ashley Cole over £5k a week, this can certainly fall through over €5m
"We'll meet you halfway at €66M + €4M + €10M"
can't we just offer €70M fixed + €0M? JK but it would be funny if it was that simple
I think Sporting wants "add-ons" as easy as Chelsea getting paid for Hazard transfer when Madrid won the 24 CL even while Hazard had retired, whereas Arsenal has gone the extreme opposite with a B'Dor, UCL or something.
Saying win the CL is an easy add on is bizarre, even if it is regarding Real Madrid
I said that in a manner of how ridiculous the overall payment to Chelsea has been, not saying a clause of Madrid winning the CL is easy money.
Phrased it poorly, my bad.
I get how you meant it, still bizarre
Mate just pay up for the sake of not having to read about it anymore pls. World class striker for £70m-£80m, I’d bite their hands off.
Nico Jackson to Arsenal here we go.
Talking about Arsenal messing up such an easy engagement farming, lol
Fully expecting a 70m + 1 bid
Can this just be over already
You and me both pal
Imagine Arsenal miss another striker because of like 5-10m.
They’ve probably inserted a winning the premier league bonus that sporting don’t believe in.
What about Sesko? Or are they getting both?
Leipzig wants 90M€-100M€.
It's basically a fuck-off price.
Not seeing Arsenal spend that unless they are willing to drop they desire to sign an LW to upgrade on Martinelli and an RW to be a back-up to Saka.
RBL have priced him out, forcing Arsenal to go for the better option lol
It’s a short distance and there is still enough time seeing that the transfer market won’t shut for like another two months. It will just be a matter of patience if Arsenally really want him, they’ll get him
Good picture choice. Only better if gyokeres was crying
Arsenal should just sign Haller from us at this point for €15m
Nothing burger... Click farming ITKs
I just follow the highlights of the PM so sorry about my lack of knowledge, but I tought Arsenal had good pockets to buy 1 or 2 players around this price.
That’s it… arsenal about to buy nico jackson
Arsenal, DON'T FUMBLE THIS MAN
Only started watching football since WC 2022 and my god, PSG is playing the best football ive seen. Incredible flow to their game. Ball movement is sublime
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