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[Fabrizio Romano] Simon Adingra to Sunderland, here we go! Deal done with Brighton for €21m fixed fee plus €3m add-ons. Personal terms also agreed with medical to follow next, one more addition for #SAFC. Player on his way to complete the move, as Sky Sports' Keith Downie reports.
![[Fabrizio Romano] Simon Adingra to Sunderland, here we go! Deal done with Brighton for €21m fixed fee plus €3m add-ons. Personal terms also agreed with medical to follow next, one more addition for #SAFC. Player on his way to complete the move, as Sky Sports' Keith Downie reports.](https://external-preview.redd.it/ofMo8Gxh-rFF3ARFKA1X5AvdTvlRAFglvvXwqhQpchY.jpeg?auto=webp&s=a1157c291eaf6b61d2e8116720e6ab524d186d7b)
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Not that it should factor into long term deals but Adingra, Talbi, Reinaldo & Diarra will be going to AFCON. Feels like a lot of absentees who are being brought in to start
They’ve got a pretty shit run of fixtures during the AFCON timeframe in fairness, I saw a Sunderland fan mention it yesterday.
Just bring back Niall Quinn & Kevin Phillips on short term deals I reckon
In the premier league there are no shitty run of fixtures for a team like Sunderland.
What an absolute nonsense thing to say.
You think a run of City, Arsenal and Liverpool is no less shit than a run of Leeds, Burnley and Everton.
I think he misunderstood the context for “shitty”, sounds like he thought the teams they’re playing in that period are shit, not the opposite
Yeah potentially. Reading back my previous message does sound a tad harsh on someone who might not even be natively English...
Yes there are. They play city, Spurs, Brentford and Palace in that timeframe, it’s not exactly ideal.
Tbh a post Frank Brentford, a Palace team dealing with European fixture congestion for the first time, and a Spurs team that was literally 17th last season could be some good points for Sunderland in their hopes of staying up
Bro doesn't know we signed Kōta Takai
For them, it's probably worth it to have quality players missing 3-4 matches, but play the other 34.
AFCON this year is across the Xmas period, the busiest part of the PL calendar. It could well be 5-6 matches missed.
Yeah, there's a huge difference between fighting for a title and fighting to avoid relegation.
Having a player available for 30+ matches is great when you just need enough points to survive.
Meanwhile having a player miss 4+ matches is a nightmare if you're fighting for a title and can't afford to drop points anywhere.
Up the SAFCON
It obviously should factor into long term deals, you are losing player for a while every other year.
We are building a squad that'll work in survival and in relegation
It seems like it's partly a strategy to get an audience of new African fans.
Doubt it, Africa is known to be a hotbed for unbelievable talent and is far more untapped than South America or Europe.
So wouldn't it be wise to create future fans, or at least make us more famous in the continent.
It’s not that deep.
Wasn’t he super highly rated? Was there a specific problem or did he just not break through?
Nope he had a good Afcon and scored a couple of goals off the bench shortly after for us which resulted in neutrals putting him on a level that he was nowhere near. Have always maintained personally that his level is a lower mid-table calibre starter which could end up being all Sunderland need.
Ah makes sense, international form isn’t always translated to league form
scoring goals against Chad and Mali is a lot easier than scoring against PL defences to be fair
In all fairness Salah seems to have a hard time against them.
In fairness, Ivory Coast’s team is definitely better than Egypt’s.
What egypt has had a very strong NT during salahs career and he has not been carrying them to their titles at all
He contributed from min 1 as a sub vs Senegal, He destroyed Ola Aina in the final, who is literally one of the best fullbacks in the PL. I put his season down to the situation he was in at Brighton.
Arseshavin
Yeah and he was never starting ahead of mitoma. How much you pay for him? £7 million? Would be yet another tidy profit.
I dont see Brighton more than the two times we play them and a few more matches where I dont watch anything/anyone else so maybe 7-10 matches a season, but I feel like both Baleba and Adingra have both been noticably good when I have seen them. To the point I remember thinking "These fuckers have done it yet again". I guess I must watch all his (or their) good games. Thou Baleba I am definitely more confident in being good than Adingra.
The issue with Adingra is that he wants to start. He mainly plays on the left and Mitoma is just straight up better.
Then we've brought in more wingers which just means he's competing with more players for game time. It's the best decision for his career to move on, and probably for Brighton too, as if he didn't play much this coming season, it would've been a lot of lost money.
I agree with your assessment but you guys also rotate too much and that definitely disrupts momentum that players build.
How so
They don't know what they're talking about. Any heavy rotations that may have occurred were due to the crazy injury spell we had (again).
Edit: and if anything Adringa suffered from a lack of rotation as Mitoma we the nailed on starter all season, sans after the international break where he was coming of the bench for a bit
We didn't name the same starting 11 two games in a row the whole of last season. We were absolutely fucked by injuries all year and still nearly got Europe.
He prefers playing on the left which is Mitoma's position and the times he did play he lacked confidence and didn't do much.
Gotcha yeah always gonna struggle when up against mitoma
he looked excellent last season though, whenever Mitoma wasn't playing
True. He scored a few match winners etc I think if he’s a starter for Sunderland and getting constant game time he’ll be a great signing for them
Looked decent going forward but didn't offer much defensively and just didn't gel with Estupinan quite like Mitoma does. He got his minutes to prove himself and showed moments of brilliance but never quite impressed enough to not consider selling him at this price.
I'm sure he's ready to be a regular starter as well.
Only complaint I ever had was he's just a little physically weak and so struggles defensively
We don’t fuck about do we?
You can’t afford to, you still probably need a goalkeeper and a striker or two
And 2 centre backs
About 13 more signings to go
Feels like that's a big overpayment from Sunderland. But if scores a goal or two at the right time to keep them up I guess it is worth it.
Time will tell I suppose, we’re throwing some big fees around impossible to know how much of an impact these players will have though.
I’ve always been impressed when I’ve seen him play but I don’t watch you week in/week out, what’s your honest opinion of him?
He's a good player, he was just not good enough to displace the impact of Mitoma or Minteh, and he didn't seem to want to be the second choice. We also rarely rotated Mitoma which didn't help Adingras game time.
He's certainly capable at a Premier League level and I think he's a good signing for you. He's a good player to have on the counter with his pace and finishing ability.
Perhaps it's a bit of an overpay given he was coming off a poor season and in the last year of his contract, but if he hits the form he found at times for us under De Zerbi then he'll be worth it for you.
I hope he finds his feet again and does well for you.
Feels like for us he was just in the wrong position. Hard to displace a player of Mitoma's quality and the lack of game time definitely affected his confidence. He works hard and tracks back well, just needs regular game time to get back to where he was under De Zerbi. He's never been a great creator of chances, feels like this is his biggest weakness.
He creates chances, has a fairly decent record of goals and assists given his minutes.
He most certainly does not track back though. Incredibly lazy defensively, which is made all the more obvious when you compare him to Minteh on the other side.
Incredibly lazy defensively
Really not what you want for a team fighting to stay up, if he doesn't keep getting goals/assists they'll absolutely hate him
Hopefully it’ll work out fine with Reinildo covering him on that left side, can’t imagine he will be tracking forward too much with his play style and age
To be fair this is the first time we are throwing around big money under this ownership/platform really. So far they’ve actually been right 99% of the time so I’m confident they will be again
Absolutely it’s exciting times which in the last 25 years has been a rarity as a fan of Sunderland, but I have every bit of faith in what they’re doing so I’m just going to enjoy the ride!
He is genuinely good, I think you’ll benefit from having him even if he isn’t a world beater
I do wonder if there is some PSR fuckery going on. I thought 10m for Tommy Watson a 19 year old with 24 games and 3 careers goals in the final year of his deal was a bit steep. We overpay a bit for Adingra and everyone walks away with more accounting room.
Maybe, but I wouldn't have thought so given the gap between the transfers and that that amount of money for a 19 year old is kind of normal for Brighton to be honest. Spent three times that for Charalampos Kostoulas with 22 games and 7 goals in the Greek league.
If it makes the difference between relegation and another season in the Prem the fee will seem well worth it.
Sure, and if it doesn't people will say it was an overpay and they should've spent the money better
They will be playing the dinner ladies come afcon
Sunderland is actually doing things. And nice to see that they keep the age of the squad in low levels in premier too.
I was curious what the data paints him as because I've watched him play without ever being left with a strong impression.
The numbers suggest he's a gets shots off winger that doesn't create all that much, but does put in a shift defensively. In reality they'll need goals, and he managed 6 the season before last.
Definitely not a terrible signing, I'm just curious how he handles life outside the Brighton system.
Wouldn't trust the numbers on everything. He was absolutely dreadful for us out of possession this season like players having a go at him every match for not doing his job bad, and that became the biggest gripe.
Oh like not defending well or just being a bit of a space cadet?
Not reading play and going when he should, occupying the wrong space leaving gaps in behind and just a general lack of awareness.
He probably is made look worse because Minteh usually plays at the same time as him
Oh then they're going to fucking love him up at the STadium of Light.
Someone we tried to sign last January and clearly someone we see something in.
Really happy with our business so far, especially having them all in for the first friendlies.
I'm sure you'll love him
Annoyingly very shrewd signing.
Given that they've sold INCREDIBLY well over the past year, they can basically do what Forest did in their first season back up and not even come close to the £85m allowable losses for PSR purposes.
This feels different from Ipswich
Yeah and Sunderland is a bigger club than ipswich. They'd always be more equipped to spending big to stay in the league
Leeds and us have a much bigger chance than say Burnley or an Ipswich. Hopefully we can crack the gap. It’s getting too big.
I might agree based on the moves the clubs are making etc. But just on a club status judgement I would rather back Burnley than Sunderland. They at least have had a fairly recent continuous spell in the Prem and also recently been up. Sunderland has been in the shadow realm for much longer.
Sunderland had to sign a few players price a bit high but need to bolster squad asap.
That is an absolutely mental fee considering he's in his last year what a sale
"Absolutely mental" seems like a bit of a stretch for 18M pounds for a good talent with PL experience
I disagree with the other poster.
He's good, he just can't compete with Minteh and Mitoma.
Skillful player that can score spectacular goals and assist. But lazy defensively and is pushed around by physical sides. Star of the last AFCON final.
1 year left on his contract but we can presume that we had a further year option, as we do on just about everyone these days.
£20m effectively is a good fee, but not outrageous.
Put perfectly. Not on Minteh/Mitomas level as you say, doesn’t meet Hurzelers vision, but a useful prem player for sure.
Bare in mind you just paid £10m for Watson. £21m doesn’t seem bad considering.
Last year of his contract; will disagree with the other two posters and say he's meh. He has Premier League experience in the sense that he has played in the Premier League, but it hasn't ever looked consistently good.
I mean we’ve almost tripled our money on him and he’s got a year left on contract, plus the season he’s just had? Not great. Pretty unreal business if you ask me, but I am a little bias.
He's not good
He's comfortably good enough to be a starter on the wing for a premier league side which is more than good enough for a promoted side.
He really is. Had one quiet season where he wasn't able to get a good run of games. He is easily good enough to be a star player in a team trying to stay up.
He's definitely underrated imo because while he's a clear step down for Mitoma he would easily start for plenty of very decent teams across Europe and can still improve a lot. Mitoma is one of the better LWs in the world and Adingra is a very solid backup to him I'm surprised he wasn't wanted by anyone at the tier of like OM, Villarreal, Atalanta, Leverkusen (ain't aware of their LW situations tho)
I personally think he is a great player, just shadowed by Mitoma’s brilliance
Basically doubled your money on him right?
Tripled with the add-ons. They bought him for €8m.
Those add ones probably being if Sunderland stay up seems like a great deal for both sides
Triple. Bought for £6m apparently
I think it's a great signing as well though to be fair. When he was playing regularly for Brighton he was always dangerous going forward, and same when playing for Ivory Coast. Great sale but great signing too, he'll be good for them.
Yeah it's a win-win deal.
We get profit for a player who was down in the pecking order, 1 year left on contract and after a poor season and they get a decent player on a decent enough fee who can do damage for them.
Good deal for both sides and it makes sense
SAFCON doing a madness this window.
If a feather could dribble, that is Simón
Magical first touches, can cut through defense like dancing through butter
A little physically weak and doesn't press enough sometimes so leaves a lot to be desired on defense
Was never going to usurp the best LW in the league, so makes sense he wants consistent game time
All around great guy
Not pressing isn’t a concern, we will be soaking up pressure and playing on the counter all season
Another solid signing for Sunderland. Think they've done some decent business this summer.
He's working late, Simon Adingra
And he's got defenders, wrapped round his finger
You're welcome Sunderland fans.
Completely forgot Sunderland were back up
This might be a bit Brexit of me but surely a transfer between two English clubs should use the sum in pounds rather than euros
If this was Chelsea buying him, Brighton would have asked for atleast 70m.
Ya Pedro cost only 55 when he is worth atleast 70
Yous are in for a rude awakening with Pedro
How?
Brazilian attitude always comes due even if he's a phenomenal footballer
No offence, but it's much easier to act up at a club like Brighton than one like Chelsea. There's just much more to lose
You already gave him an 8 year guaranteed contract.... if anything it's easier for him to act up now because he's got his entire future secured with nothing to lose
He got a 7 year contract and there's so many clubs that are seen as a step up from Brighton that he wouldn't care yo be on his best behaviour, but there's only a limited amount of clubs who ae a step up from Chelsea
I don't think you understand, he doesn't need to step up or down anywhere. He's got fully guaranteed money for the next 7 years of his life. He could refuse to play a single game from now on and there's nothing you could do about it
I don't think you understand, he doesn't need to step up or down anywhere. He's got fully guaranteed money for the next 7 years of his life. He could refuse to play a single game from now on and there's nothing you could do about it
He definitely had more freedom to be an arse now
I don't think you understand. It's not just about the money for Brazilians but also about the love of the game. He would still obviously want to play football at the highest level, regardless of him getting paid big money. Also, Chelsea's new wage structure is low base wages and heavily incentivised. So it's in his best interests to behave and perform.
He had no reason to respect Brighton
That's lower than expected, right?
Higher i would say, only 1 year left on his contract
Insane amount to get for a fairly bad player on his last year
I don't know where this 'fairly bad player' talk has come from. Had a quiet last season but has shown more than enough to be worth that amount of money. Given a longer run of games and getting to play on the left I think he will do very well there.
Quiet is just a kind word for bad. His numbers and general performance levels were appalling.
Sure, but only in this last season. Claiming he is just a bad player in general is obviously nonsense.
Get your dictionary out pal.
I quite like him, but im nots sure if he is suited to the prem. I really liked him at RUSG and it does feel like there is an amount of unlocked potential, BUT he does feel bang average in the prem. One of those ten a penny wingers that can do a job, but not one you really want starting. I guess it isnt that much money.
My brighton supporting fan has moaned about him a lot too especially last season so ther eis that.
Ffp? Were the chuff are they getting all this money from?
Sold Jobe and Watson and our owners a billionaire who has barely spent anything on players until this season. Because we're signing them on 5 year deals amortisation means we're still nowhere near the spending cap, I've even seen speculation that we're not even up to the amount we added from transfers out
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