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[Ornstein] Arsenal make contact with Chelsea over move for Noni Madueke. Clubs now in talks after 23yo #CFC winger agreed personal terms on proposed 5yr contract. No deal yet but England int’l prioritising #AFC above any other interested sides @TheAthleticFC
![[Ornstein] Arsenal make contact with Chelsea over move for Noni Madueke. Clubs now in talks after 23yo #CFC winger agreed personal terms on proposed 5yr contract. No deal yet but England int’l prioritising #AFC above any other interested sides @TheAthleticFC](https://external-preview.redd.it/S6jnD6TihgZ-y520mlxNy83umC6UsqlKK9w4UpDbZnY.jpeg?auto=webp&s=9f3cc2a9c5ddf812a675984c19cedf4833640432)
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I get why Arsenal would think he offers depth for both wings, and they badly need a capable backup for Saka so they can stop running him into the ground every year.
But to me I think Madueke is not worth the 40/50m being floated around. We’ll see what happens here though.
English + a whiff of "if he puts it all together he might be class" sets the baseline at 40m
English yes but not home grown which is what teams really care about
The English is irrelevant. He's not homegrown.
What are the rules on being home grown? Judging off Wikipedia he spent ages 9-12 at Palace and 12-16 at Spurs before going to PSV.
Is it his first pro contract?
Its three years with a club based in england between 16 and 21
That seems stupid tbh considering his formative years were all spent training in London
Football regulations aren’t known for not being arbitrary
Looks like the rule makers have decided a specific set of ages as hte 'formative years'
I think the reason why Arsenal might think he's worth it is because of wages - apparently he won't take a pay rise and will remain at around 50k+ per week.
Every other player Arsenal are looking at will be asking for between 150k (Eze) to 300k (Rodrygo). That's a minimum of 5.2m a year for the length of the contract.
apparently he won't take a pay rise and will remain at around 50k+ per week.
That sounds ludicrous and almost certainly made up.
Maybe, but it was reported by Romano so it certainly could be true.
Right so a 40-50m signing is going to accept 50k a week when all his team mates will be on 100-300k. Sounds like either Romano is chatting shit like usual, or Madueke has the worst agent in world football.
Well, considering he was a £35m signing for Chelsea and his agent got him to sign a 50k pw 8 year contract, it could very well be the latter
At least then he was an unknown quantity. Now he's been in the England set up and started most big games for Chelsea last season.
He also had several incidents with Maresca so he may just want out.
He’s probably just happy to stay in London tbh, plus the wages probably won’t actually be 50k base as it probably has a CL bumper included. He wouldn’t be earning 50k a week at Chelsea anymore either, from what I read.
That being said, I agree Romano is a wafflemaker and it could all be 100% fabrication
if he puts it all together he might be class
Feel like this is the case with most wingers since their position is probably the flashiest (creates high expectations) but their actual tasks are some of the hardest to pull of successfully (crosses, out-dribbling, long shots)
In that summer when Chelsea basically bought every player under the sun after Boehly took charge I actually thought Madueke was the only attacking player they signed who showed promise and looked a proper player.
Edit: January not Summer, thanks Chelsea fans :)
He was bought in January.
He's been the winger that makes Chelsea's game tik by making things happen, whenever he's not on the pitch it's so obvious. He makes so many runs (on and off the ball), dribbles, shots (both for himself and others)... He's top one or two in the whole league in most of these stats among PL wingers. Add to that box entries, touches in the box and statless qualities like dragging defenders off the ball too. And that's when he's playing a lot at LW where he was learning the position and was nowhere as good as when RW.
I don't understand why arsenal are spending so much for a back up or why he wants them where he'll be a back up to saka, and I don't understand why Chelsea would sell him even for 50. His game is more important than that to a Chelsea who carelessly spends 100s of millions.
40M or so for a young English winger who has shown decent potential and will enable Saka to actually manage his minutes feels like about the going rate. If nothing else, at 23 he'll likely have some resale value if things go wrong.
English winger
Not homegrown though which is the main benefit of buying English players
Where was he in academy?
Palace/Spurs originally, but he left to PSV when he was 16
And came back to Chelsea at what 18 or 20?
20, and you need to be trained/playing for an English team for 3 years between 15-21 to qualify as homegrown
We’re Arsenal. He’ll be lucky to be moved on for 15M given our track record of selling.
40m gets you more talent than Madueke pretty much in any other league
And he is quite poor on the LW. He is too dependent on cutting in onto his left, he isn’t a good width winger.
They don’t need depth for Saka… they have nwaneri…. He’s really good plays that position…
They need a left wing and striker. Madueke is a Everton/fulham player at best and n out a left winger. Paying Chelsea this money is so stupid
We’ve been targeting a good versatile winger since Raphinha in 2022 and maybe even before that. There’s no way that Madueke is the one we finally pull the trigger on after all the top quality options have gone
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some dude called Gittens goes for 60 million+ plus
I agree with you in theory, but Gittens was £48.5m and Chelsea should absolutely look for more to sell Madueke.
I dont think we have a sell on clause which would be sad, but Chelsea overpaid for him when he signed from us too. 50M? Pounds??? Absolutely never. Tho I hope Arsenal bid it, especially if we have a 10% sell on clause
I would be happy with £40 mill I think
Can always count on Arsenal to buy players we no longer want lol
Surprised Arteta didnt want Jackson instead of Sesko or Gyökeres
Window ain't closed yet.
Gotta save him for the United panic buy, tbf they could do lot worse at ST
Lavia next season after playing 8 games this year.
Chill out , Lavia is class
class glass FTFY
when you stockpile as many players as chelsea do then this is always going to happen. Plus arsenal finish above chelsea 3 years running now so it’s hardly been a bad strategy
We were 10 spots above them in 22/23 without buying their scraps. Now we’re 5 points ahead and buying more scraps
We bought Jorginho in January 2023, so that's technically false
"I can fix him"
This hurts my soul.
Yes Master Chelsea, whatever you want Master Chelsea.
“Let me alleviate you of your financial issues! Please!”
Chelsea pay pig era feels like a real low point
Gimme £50m
Spends it on some random South-American kid
I’m okay with it
They cannot say no to us whenever we need to dump a player.
😂😂 ‘darth sidious laugh’
I'm assuming Arsenal are not going after Rodrygo after all
I feel like Arsenal fans blown this Rodrygo stuff way too far. Even if he does want to leave after the CWC are you telling me that Bayern (got rid of Sane and want a LW) Liverpool (Diaz looking to leave) Chelsea and us would not be in the same boat.
You guys aren’t interested according to one of your tier 1’s, he earns too high wages for Chelsea who have just gotten Gittens too, Liverpool got Wirtz who likes the same areas of the pitch and Bayern are looking more at a 1v1 specialist.
Bayern is the most likely other option, but I think our odds are pretty good.
Chelsea aren’t paying his wages, he has way more competition in City which is why he’s leaving in the first place if he does, Liverpool have already spent way more than us. It’s really just Bayern
The astronomical sums being paid for Gittens and Elanga basically makes it impossible for Arsenal to get him for under 40m, meaning they're getting scammed.
Why are Arsenal enabling Chelsea ffs
Looks like our forward signings will be Gyokeres, Eze, and Madueke then
If we can get Eze then I'm fine with Madueke.
Ornstein and Romano said that Eze is separate to a winger
Highly doubt Arsenal owners will spend that much on all 3
They can.
Issue is that fans wanted Rodrygo.
Basically we want winger, striker and AM.
Going after Madueke means no Rodrygo
lol I doubt the board is saying oh but this is the guy that some fans online want
If Rodrygo means no Eze then i think you’re better off doing Madueke and Eze
I wouldn't be so optimistic.
The Athletic reported on July 1 that Madueke, 23, was one of the options being considered by Arsenal as they also weighed up Crystal Palace’s Eberechi Eze and Aston Villa’s Morgan Rogers.
Don't understand that tbh. Orn was one of the guys who said Eze was separate.
He said it was separate to a winger and striker signing.
I think Madueke is, unfortunately, falling into that 'versatile attacker' profile he put Eze in.
If we want to get a LW or Eze, I imagine that's gonna require a sale.
There is no way any scouting department in the world considers Madueke a versatile attacker the way Eze is. He’s either seen as a winger or nothing about the interest makes any sense.
Nah. Madueke is being signed as a winger.
Romano literally said that Madueke is separate to Eze
Just gonna write this off as another of Arteta's "i can fix him" signings then. Not gonna bother getting mad about it cos there's nothing I can do
It must be a cost thing, Eze and Rogers total package would be much more.
Eh, that doesnt preclude us getting two of those options
I don't think it's a coincidence that all the Eze stuff went cold as soon as we started going for Noni, but you could (hopefully) be right.
Not a bad window tbh
Eze can cover LW and Center and Noni can cover both wings plus Gyökeres upfront you guys will be cooking. Another thing we have Jackson available for £50m if you guys need a backup for Gyökeres we have got readymade talented CF available.
Nobody wants this. Nobody. I’m sure Boehly has Kroenke’s nudes or something. Sports directors have come and gone but we just HAVE TO BUY CHELSEA DEADWOOD every transfer window
Chelsea fans want it and we think we deserve it
You're gonna fund the registration of our new signings
Because he's a talented 23 year old that looks like he fits well at Arsenal, he just doesn't fit with Chelsea.
We have Saka, he’s too expensive as a backup, he’s worse on the left and we have Nwaneri who can cover right wing, but desperate need a new top level LW. It doesn’t make a lot of sense tbh, it’s a luxury purchase at a time when we have actual squad needs that he doesn’t solve literally any of.
There are lots of talented 23 year olds, starting off by buying the ones who solve the most important problems for you is the logical way to go.
he’s too expensive as a back up
As if Arsenal won’t have on the bench next season 40m+ Jesus, Havertz, Merino, White, Calafiori
Only Merino here was signed to be a backup. Jesus would be starting if it weren’t for constant injuries. Havertz & White started every game until last season where they both underwent surgeries. Calafiori was also signed to be a starter at LB but his injuries made us play an academy midfielder there which made the spot his own.
Not one of the those were literally purchased as back ups. Even Merino we all thought the midfield would be Rice, Odegaard, Merino last year before injuries fucked the midfield all year.
Why does he fit at arsenal? He’s not getting the RW spot and he’s not better than Martinelli/Trossard at LW. Plus he’s got attitude issues which is everything Arteta is against. One of the worst choices out of all the wingers out there in my opinion
Arsenal has been the Chelsea Retirement Home way before Boehly took over
True, I think the nudes were passed down from Abramovich
I’d quite like it to be honest
Madueke is not deadwood. I've been frustrated with him at times, but he is a good premier league winger with potential to become a great winger. Of course if it keeps you from buying a left winger like Rodrygo I understand arsenal fans' frustration, but this is not another Sterling or Willian. You won't find a better winger who's willing to play backup to Saka and he can do a job on the left too.
Madueke stops us from getting either of Rodrygo or Eze. Plus Chelsea will be demanding £50M or more for him. That makes it an objectively bad transfer for us when Eze is just 10M more expensive than Madookie and can actually play LW and CAM for us
There's one constant in all of this, and it ain't Gunnersaurus.
I actually like this signing IF it's in addition to a striker and Eze. If it's Madueke instead of Eze then I'll be extremely disappointed.
Here's my take, and it goes against the popular opinion: the real reason for the dislike of this transfer is because it's Chelsea. I genuinely believe if this player were joining from like Dortmund or PSV, there wouldn't be anywhere near this level of animosity. While I understand the 'stop bailing Chelsea out' perspective, especially from rivals, objectively, this player would absolutely improve our matchday squad. Don't forget who was sitting on our bench for much of last season, and how desperately we needed more attacking quality as substitutes.
The talent profile is mediocre
Chelsea were looking for players to step up last season, and he did not which is why he is being sold. He had ample opportunity to nail down a place, as he started a lot of games last year. If you take out his hattrick in August. He scored only 4 more goals the rest of the year which is the same output as Ethan who only played serious minutes in the second half of the season. Ethan is not even a RW by trade.
Why are we going after yet another failed player at Chelsea? Why can’t we buy a player on an upward trajectory?
Have we not learnt from Harvetz, Sterling, Willian, David Luiz, etc? Why do we need to pay a premium to polish a turd?
Yeah, I think people are much more positive about this if it’s Gittens or Minteh or Bakoyoko to Arsenal
All players would be rotation options and would cost £40m to £50m
He’s a 23yo England international for God’s sake, people talking about him like he’s a bum
Anything above £40m is surely just bad business from us
We wouldn't sell him for less than 45+easy 5, so prepare yourself for disappointment. Question is would it be simply 50 or above that, since it was mentioned they're using Elanga's 55m move as a yardstick.
That wouldn’t be disappointment. That would be great and hopefully our evaluation will be too far apart and we’ll move on
Perfect let's use Elanga and say that Madueke isn't as good. 35M for Madueke sorted
He was a somewhat starter right? Cross town rival tax in a top 4 race I mean the money alone is for the circumstances. His quality is ok. I would think he’d go for maybe 30 m on any other non context team. But for Arsenal or direct rival I can see why it’s 40 plus but I would never do it lol
The moment you start talking about all the other parts of the deal besides quality you know it’s a scam lol
Drops the "his quality is ok" right in the middle of that too haha
"Yeah yeah, so he's good on both sides, got a cracker of a shot hesnotthatgoodpleasewejustneedsomepsr and he's also pretty rapid"
It’s 50
How depressing.
“The board got him Madueke” excuse at the end of the year as if it’s not the same one man pushing for this deal nobody else agrees with
50m was the fee for Barcola and doue and we’re getting Madueke lol. Leao is rumoured to be 60m, kvicha was 57m I think (?)
Kvicha
He is also on around 300k per week, which I dont think Arsenal would pay.
Was? Are you meaning in previous years?
Yes, you can get super talented players for 50m if you look past Chelsea’s bins lol
Oh yeah fully, I totally agree with you, I was just worried that you meant barcola or doue were available THIS summer for £50m lol haha
Haha no. But remember we’ve been targeting a versatile winger since Raphinha in 2022, there’s been plenty of opportunities to address this
It's not as if you just pay the fee then the player will come. Every top team was in for Doue and Kvara...
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I'm quite happy with this, provided we land Gyokeres and a left winger.
This is the bad place.
This is gonna be the flop of the season, if not i will happily delete this comment
Is it a flop if everyone is expecting it to fail?
Great deal for both clubs. Sensible transfer. Fantastic business.
This means Eze stays right.
Separate to Eze deal.
Separate to Eze deal.
I choose not to believe this.
MF no one else is interested 😂
Average player with a bad attitude but Arteta seemingly can’t wait for another ‘fix you’ project from Chelsea.
Next season project: Nicolas Jackson
Knowing Arteta we’ll probably take Sanchez from you.
Worst part is he’s got some top level traits for his position that could make it more useful than this lol
This whole bad attitude thing from Noni is incredibly overblown imo. He gets along well with the squad; did get called out once by the manager but picked himself up again and got back into the squad. Haven’t really had an issue since.
He’s a little selfish at times, and throws his hands up every once in a while, but he has improved his defensive work rate and he’s not the passenger he once was when Chelsea first bought him. The end product is lacking but he was arguably the most dangerous of our wingers last season.
I’m not convinced selling him is the right move just yet.
Attitude used to be a sticking point but the Chelsea pheromones were too strong
I don’t think we’ve signed a single unprofessional player (or with any sort of attitude problems) since Arteta came in. Maybe Trossard because he kicked up a fuss to leave Brighton but he’s been a perfect professional since joining. He got rid of those quite quickly but before him we had little concern about signing such players.
Why do arsenal even want him. They have saka in rw and nwaneri breaking out in the same position. Isn't nwaneri rated highly. Arteta is nuts. They should sign a world class lw and not madueke. It looks like a sideway transfer for both the player and the club.
Nwaneri is viewed as a midfielder.
Nwaneri is not a rw tho.. we need a backup for saka. And they are going after eze and rodrygo too
His numbers are not far off Ethan as well. If you take out the hat-trick game, he has the same number of goals as Ethan whereas Ethan has considerably less starts.
They should sign a world class lw and not madueke
Far easier said than done, as seen with Bayern's very public pursuit of a LW. If Rodrygo isn't realistic, and Arteta wants Madueke for competition across the front lines then it makes sense. Price is only the 'iffy' factor, but understandable in the current market.
They want Madueke because he can play both wings.
Club will probably try for Eze after this who can play AM and also LW
What does it mean to say he can play both wings? he has never really played well on the left at all.
Any winger can play both wings if that is the case.
I can play both wings too if the question is can this player physically be deployed in that position
Nwaneri isn't a RW we just had no better cover there. Hence this signing.
Wasn't there a report saying that Arteta believes he can convert Madueke into a very good LW? Not sure if it was reliable.
It was by Miguel Delaney. So, no.
Forgive me.
Ragebait for our fans and entertainment for rival fans.
Proven LWs don't seem to exist on the market though. Arteta probably thinks he can convert Madueke into a top LW like Sane was at City lol (while simultaneously providing quality cover at RW), but I don't see that happening. He's played there for us recently but think he's much better off on the right.
More likely Madueke is seen as Saka’s backup and will replace Trossard’s dimished role on the left as backup there in case the starter(s) are injured.
I’m sure the club will try to go for either Eze or Rodrygo as the starter LW and then we’ll see if Trossard and/or Martinelli will be sold. Depending on who is sold Madueke will be 2nd or 3rd choice LW on top of being the 2nd choice RW.
We saw last year what happens when multiple starters are out. We need versatile and talented backup so we don’t end up playing a front line of Trossard, Merino and 18 yo, out of position Nwaneri for 6 weeks again.
“the relationship between the two clubs is strong”
Lol yeah why would they have an issue with us cleaning out their bins?
Not the Ornabomba you wanted
Every season we sign Chelsea players for mad money. Kroenke must’ve lost a bet to Boehly or something.
Soon you’re gonna tell me Gyokeres deal can’t go through, so Arsenal offering €70m + €10m for Nico Jackson.
And there it is, fuck sake man what a shit signing this would be.
That's what I was expecting from Arsenal we need to Shift Jackson too anybody want him anybody United I think you guys need a forward we got a talented Senegalese available just for £50m..
If you bought JP slightly earlier, we would be grovelling for Jackson by now instead of going for Gyo.
I don’t see us paying 50, and I’m not sure Chelsea will budge much.
So I’d put my money on this not happening.
These type of signings are exactly the reason this club doesn’t achieve shit.
ffs
Waste of money. Stop overpaying Chelsea for average players.
Can't believe Arsenal are that stupid. Getting really sick and tired of Arteta's weird obsession with Chelsea-castaways. It's the type of deal that makes you say "no wonder they don't win shit".
Arteta loves a project.
This is a hilariously annoying signing
Yuck dude, I hate this
50m unironically a fair price, he has a lot of good attributes. I think his cocky aesthetic makes him overhated. Relentless and direct dribbler, can beat his man, can go left and right, willing shooter, improved crosser, covers both wings, decent defensively. Cons are he can be selfish but even that is overstated, inconsistent technical ability, consistency in general. Very good player there if he can iron out some stuff
Arteta will make him tuck in those two stupid strands of hair.
If we get Madueke, Gyökeres, and a left winger of some sort, this is brilliant.
If all we get is Madueke and Gyökeres for the attack, this is terrible.
We will sign either Eze or Rodrygo in addition to this
If we do, I'll be chuffed to bits.
Don’t I read this news every damn day?
I’m going on a hunger strike to stop this transfer from happening. I don’t care anymore. I have had enough.
His wages will be low but if he's going to cost around 50M, that will be absolutely criminal.
Are the other interested sides in the room with us now?
Market is really crazy. Elanga went for over £50 so I guess the deal will be around there.
Stupid Arteta
Honestly, I think I'd rather have Elanga at that price if I was Arsenal. Maybe not as talented but more consistent and his stats are good
😕
I don't want him to go, but more than anything I'm tired of the edging. Just a make a decision already, at least a solid bid.
I see the vision
Can any Arsenal fan give an insight on what's exactly going on with This signing and Eze ? Is it either Madueke or Eze or both ??
You’ll get a bunch of different answers and for good reason. Our tier 1s have said somewhat conflicting things - one said it would be one of Eze, Madueke, or Rogers and the other said Eze in addition to a winger. Hard to interpret
That being said, we have a new DoF who brings a whole new strategy. We’ve agreed to or at least have been working on personal terms with a dozen different players at this point. Seems like our new DoF and Arteta are laying an entire plan and pulling the trigger one by one based on agreed upon fees of other targets - like right now we’re supposedly haggling over £5m for Gyokeres, we walked away from Sesko over £10m+, haggling over a few £m for Mosquera. I think there’s a decent chance we walk away from Madueke if Chelsea don’t come down from their valuation.
Edit - as I typed that out, BBC just published the link below. Seems like there’s a world where we’re trying to make at least 2/3 (Eze, Madueke, Rodrygo) work. We’ll see
I see... Thanks
£50m + £10m add on. Please, and thanks.
He's prioritising Arsenal above other interested sides.
Please name one interested side
Lol and spurs seems to be getting Kudus for a similar amount
Chelsea can’t keep getting away with this, but they will as long as Arsenal and United are around.
I think Arsenal fans are missing the fact that Madueke is on 50k/week. Even a raise won't reach 150k/week and that's still decent for LW and RW cover.
How good is he?
As an Arsenal fan, i’m reserving judgement on this because our signings always get scrutinized to the penny until said player goes on to play well and everyone shuts up about it.
If City or Liverpool were signing him, everyone would be talking about this very differently, but we know Arsenal is the club everyone loves to hate.
Why does everyone dislike Madueke again ? Last season, Chelsea fans considered him to be better than Neto. Now, Neto is putting in a POTT shift at CWC. Madueke has a similarly high ceiling.
50 million in this market is nothing.
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