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[Romano] Arsenal have submitted initial bid for Noni Madueke around £50m package, add-ons included. Chelsea want more than £50m fixed as Elanga/similar deals remain their reference. Good relationship between clubs as talks continue, Madueke agreed terms with Arsenal.
![[Romano] Arsenal have submitted initial bid for Noni Madueke around £50m package, add-ons included. Chelsea want more than £50m fixed as Elanga/similar deals remain their reference. Good relationship between clubs as talks continue, Madueke agreed terms with Arsenal.](https://external-preview.redd.it/MCYacfrLNgqyeOJUhJkBiGPdriKp8hv5YlD4hLVBYVU.jpeg?auto=webp&s=e9a7292ea84ef70a6613de69cba3323de679924b)
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“Good relationship between the clubs” - for Chelsea fans this is a great relationship
Yes, very happy with how this relationship is progressing.
Today i feel parasite.
I never, ever. Want to hear we have a good relationship with you guys 😭
I'm tired, Robby 😭😭😭
Relationship nearly as good as Liverpool and Madrid
Little brother getting the hand-me-downs ☺️
Little brothers don't pay insane amounts of money to receive hand me downs
You mug us off in the transfer market and we clobber you on the pitch.
Pretty abusive relationship id say.
Just put the 50 million in the bag bro
60m and you got a deal
I see someone’s been going to the Raul Sanllehi school of negotiation!
Scam artist and victim
Better relationship between Yoda and the wookies though?
- That’s our opening bid wtf?
- They still want more????
- Lmfao
- Arsenal
- Mambo
- Seal Team
- Eleven
- Hateful
- Star Trek: Deep Space
You thought it was only Kepa.
Never accept the first offer
Look at the Kudus, Elanga and Gittens deals. Why are you shocked?
Somebody leak those nudes Boehly have already.
Anything that only says the all in total is always sketchy to me with how common things like ballon d’or or cl winner bonuses are.
Usually if they hit all the bonuses every fan would be more than happy with the total. What actually matters is the guaranteed and likely bonuses
Does anybody know if Madueke has agreed terms? Don’t think Fab has mentioned it in any of his 30 tweets on this transfer already.
“Understand”
That’s the Kaveh Solhekol special
Hoping he can follow up with a clarifier as to whether Madueke has agreed terms. Think this is an important detail we are missing.
He's agreed 5 year deal
Sorry I need to see this from Fabrizio. Not seen any confirmation yet.
Edit: Surely the /s isn’t needed
Too busy posting about Jota again
He has
Clubs very rarely enter negotiations nowadays without at least a verbal personal agreement in place
The Elanga, Noni, and kudus comparison are gonnna be fun for the first half of the season until Brighton buy a kid for 5m from Lithuania and he turns out to be better than all three
Yup, or some Dane at Brentford
That Dane connection is over
It’s just gonna move to Tottenham now, to be frank
This must be some divine karma shit for Partey because what the fuck is that price
Not even homegrown either, substantial waste of money
Only way this can be justified is if Eze comes in and even then I’m extremely sceptical
Yeah but this is like paying the devil to atone for your sins lol, I don't think bailing us out of self-inflicted FFP issues helps your karma
yea exactly, getting tired of this. got downvoted the other day because i said arsenal's trophy drought is not linked to partey karma
Apart from the fact that seems to be the current price for similar wingers, that's the benefit of the long contracts when it works out.
He has 5 years left on his Chelsea contract and at 23 years old has plenty of time to improve and be worth more next year or the year after.
Should be adding on a local rival tax and a competitive rival tax too as the clubs finished within 2 places of each other last year.
Agreed. I find the price too high, but there are some details people seem to be skipping over:
He is on a 5 year contract and 23 years old. He has broken into the England team, despite stiff competition. He has 67 PL appearances and 20 G/A in them. At PSV he was very good and Arsenal believe they can improve him further.
Just these things alone mean that in the current market you are paying probably 35+5 already.
Then some further details: He has accepted a 50k salary, whereas most players would demand more. Compared to an 80k wage that is already 10 million difference in outlay over the duration of the contract. He fulfills a role that is very coveted by Arsenal. Everyone watched Arsenal flounder last year without a solid RW rotation. Like you said, he is going to a rival club. Chelsea don't actually feel the need to sell him and are fine using him as a rotation player as they are doing now.
All of these factors mean Chelsea will say: you are saving tons of money on salary, if he works out we are fixing a big problem you had last year and you are the ones coming in for him. If they tax that at 10 million pounds, you end up with a 50 million range fee.
We also don't know the exact structure of the bid. Arsenal do have a tendency of putting a lot of add-ons in their initial bids. Won't surprise me if it is a 42+8 or something similar. Still believe this should be our final bid in terms of total fee.
Where are you getting he's accepted a 50k salary? That's what he's currently on, no 23yo in the history of the league switched prem clubs without a pay bump.
Kinda crazy to say that I dont rate Madueke, but I'd have him over a rapist.
Imagine being crap enough that the bar is set that low as a comparison. “Well, I’d take you over a rapist”
good ol' karma is a bitch innit
Take this and run to the bank laughing.
what is this Arsenal obsession with Chelsea castoffs? Cech, Willian, David Luiz, Jorginho, Havertz, Sterling, Kepa, Madueke....does Chelsea have an insider on the Arsenal board?
Most of these players weren't catastrophes though or make sense with the context.
Cech: was still solidly competing with Courtois, was mainly let go as a gentleman's agreement. He was an improvement over Ospina in his first season. More or less what you can expect. If we hadn't gotten him, I don't think we would have bought someone better. 6/10
Willian: disaster, but there is some outcome bias here. Chelsea actually had offered him a 2 year extension, but he wanted 3 and came to us. This gets overlooked a lot because it is funny to clown Arteta, but if we hadn't signed him, he would have stayed at Chelsea. That he bombed so hard was a massive surprise. Did forgo his wages to leave after a year so that was class. 2/10
Luiz: decent, at the tail of his career but still one of the better defenders in our dumpster fire of a lockdown team. Apparently a good dressing room presence. 6/10
Jorginho: emergency buy due to injury. Very cheap, mostly put in good performances, especially in his first year here. 8/10
Havertz: definitely overpaid on him, mainly paid for his Leverkusen potential. Didn't work out as intended at 8 but was good as a striker and mostly an important player. 7/10
Sterling: panic loan because we messed up. Hoped he would do better, but absolutely useless. Apparently well-liked in the dressing room. 1/10
Kepa: only under contract at Chelsea so they could get money for him (they literally extended his contract for this). Effectively got Bournemouth's starting keeper for 5 million. No idea how it works out but from the looks of it a solid transfer.
So out of these transfers only really two were disasters. The rest more or less delivered what they should.
Hey man stop that, you’re being too reasonable
Long may it continue.
Probably cuz London and no one wants to go to spurs lets be real.
Yeah. We have good (or at least high profile) players that when they wanna leave, they want to stay in London. No-transfer relationships with Spurs for both clubs, so Arsenal is a good landing ground for them. The other direction doesn't really happen as we're far more likely to just spunk money on whoever we feel like at the time and Arsenal are also absolutely dogshit at selling players, with seemingly no interest to sell anyone half decent until their value has plummeted and we wouldn't want them anymore. Thus, one way selling relationship.
Why do you guys not sell to spurs?
Levy wont do deals with Chelsea.
Why tho
Tbh I'm not sure, the earliest I remember is him refusing to sell Modric to us despite us offering more than Madrid for him.
Then the Willian theft also happened.
Love how real the rivalry gets ngl
We also nicked their sporting director in 2005, Frank Arnesson. We ended up having to pay them a settlement because he was caught hanging out on one Roman's yachts.
What's the point? None of Chelsea's transfers to Arsenal have lit the world on fire. The only players spurs would want, are players that aren't for sale. If anything, it is weird Arsenal keep bailing them out for rotation players
Good man
I mean I heard the deal with Gyokeres is in jeopardy. We could continue that obsession with Nicolas JackSON
hey now how dare you leave out the OG Gallas
Being able to stay in London whilst staying at elite level are huge pluses for the players. I think most of the signings made sense.. 5-10 years ago, Chelsea was in better competitive level than Arsenal. So when the players declined slightly and out of the starting XI, they theoretically can still be good enough for Arsenal. (Cech, Willian, David Luiz). I think Jorginho transfer was a win- win for both. Sterling and Kepa are just depth signing. I can't explain Havertz and Madueke.
If they start at 50 it means they are dumb enough to pay more. What the fuck is going on at arsenals scouting department?
Clearly we don't have a scouting department. They just drive across town.
They’ve gone too deep into the PL proven rathole
Lots and lots of cocaine
Too cheap, in this market he's worth 55 mil minimum. He also sellable in 5 years as hes only 23.
If 50m is the opening bid, then there's a good chance Arsenal expects and is maybe willing to pay more than that.
Genuinely begging that we have a sell on clause these prices are mental. Even just the solidarity fee would be 1.3 million euro lol
Honestly respect they keep selling their trash to the opps for absurd prices. My board could never.
Madueke is not trash man. Don't let reddit reactions cloud your view of him. He's a good player. Not world class by any means, not a needle mover but he is not trash.
I think he's a good player but price seems steep for a back up to saka who never really sits anyway lol, but I suppose this is how the market is now
Dead first touch, selfish, pulls down shorts and complains after losing the ball, done fuck all in Europe, only 7 league goals after scoring a hattrick in the first month…I can keep going
I think Arsenal fans will find the “shoot from brain dead position, refuse to make eye contact with angry team mates, pull down shorts and swagger away” routine gets infuriating quite quickly
Aftv will be good than lol
He is also very direct, good dribbler and can progress the ball a lot. He has slowly progressed not at the pace others expect to but he's pretty decent.
He doesn’t have a dead touch at all, and he has worked hard tracking back a lot this season, a few games he didn’t and he was dropped and learned his lesson. His problem is he has not progressed in decision making and not being selfish on the ball in 2 years.
Saying he tracks back is all I need to see to know why Arteta would want him.
10 league goals or even 7 is nothing to sneeze at but 50m (or more?!) is ridiculous
“Pulls down his shorts” ???
+£10M
As a chelsea fan who has watched his every game for the last few seasons. He is actually a good player who isn't far from becoming a great player. He's a great backup for Saka. Trust me, the numbers do not do him justice. I'm happy with the 60m but not happy he's going Arsenal.
He’s probably not as bad as everyone says he is but 50m for a backup is fucking absurd
havertz for 70m was more absurd
at least noni has potential and could go either way. havertz talents on the other hand seemed capped by the time he left chelsea
It’s not crazy, 50 million for saka to have some rest for the big games is worth more than that. Arsenal attackers were constantly getting injured from being overworked and you need a high quality rotation player
Yeah. He’s a take on monster. Pretty consistently can beat his man which is a very valuable skill in today’s game.
But. End product is pretty bad and he hasn’t really shown noticeable end product improvement over the past seasons. It’s clear the board doesn’t rate him - even with his potential they’ve been shopping him the past two windows.
I think he is a good addition for Arsenal but at the price being quoted it’s only worth the fee for them if they can believe he will dramatically his end product and become a player that he hasn’t yet become at Chelsea.
It’s clear the board doesn’t rate him
I dont think that's true. The new board is happy to sell anyone as long as it makes financially sense. Ornstein said as much on the Athletic podcast
He’s good in FIFA tho!!!!
you dont pay 50 mil for someone that does not move the needle
Personally I agree, but teams do that all the time now, so that's what market says a player like Madueke is worth. Johnson, Gittens, Elanga, Havertz (snd loads more) are not needle movers either but teams paid huge fees for them.
Arsenal's opening bid was £50m so Chelsea will likely get more. And teams a year from now will point to Madueke, Gittens and Elanga to justify the fee of some other decent but not top class attacking player. I can already see Bournemouth snd Brentford taking notes for when teams eventually come for Semenyo and Wissa.
He is like a winger version of Havertz, can switch on for a period of time when he will play well, and turn to shit for the rest of time.
And you'll be fooled again and again in his purple patch period that he can be a good player
He’s not our trash, but 50m as the opening bid is crazy. It’ll probably end up being 55 or 60m for him
thats where arsenal comes into the game.
I wouldn't call it trash lol, basically every transfer did decent work for us except Willian at the end and Sterling.
Berta has lost his mind wtf
Uhh there is must be a cheaper alternative for backup winger than Madueke. Although it became Arsenal habit to buy players from Chelsea isn't?
Nwaneri is free and better than Madueke
He’s not a backup Arteta thinks this is the next sane
Lmfao. They’re starting at 50? I thought they’d start at 30 and we’d get 45 or something.
Hard to say what they’re starting at considering this 50 is including add-ons. We don’t know how much the add-ons are or how realistic they are
THIS MAKES ME SICK
He’s not even HG lol
What? Honestly expected him to be for that price
Ya but he chats to Rubi rose
No idea who that is
We truly are wizards at selling lmao 🤣
This is £15m more than our all-time record sale wtf lol
What the fuck? LMAO
wow
Arsenal tax
I mean we ripped united off with mount as well tbf
I thought it would end when that woman left
She probably left a whole ass guidebook on how to swindle you lot
Is it really that hard though? the entire book is probably "call Arteta and tell him you have a 'deal' on a chelsea player"
Absolute fucking lunacy from Arsenal, unbelievable levels of malpractice.
I'm pretty sure about 70-80% of the reaction to this transfer is just people feeding off each other's hysteria
He's def not as bad as everyone is making him out to be
He’s also not as good as that price, and isn’t healthy. It was insane when you bought him from PSV, what has he done since to become more valuable lmao
“He’s premier league proven now 🤓”
Sack every single person involved in this decision. I’m not even joking.
First pay up, then do the sackings.
And then they have to pay the sackings 🤣
Give them all a fucking bonus
This is a mad bid for Madueke on the opening offer, I'm living in dream land
It's actually crazy, do we have an inside man there or something?
His name is Mikel Arteta and he's propa Chelsss
I had my doubts with the 5-0 but it turns out Poch was just an even bigger Spurs fan
Yeah this is the opening offer, not the mad price you've driven it up to...
Them doing this when Chelsea actually need funds bc UEFA is hilarious
That would involve sacking Arteta because it seems like he wants him.
Also, so much for "let Berta cook" eh?
He has all the physical attributes and dribbling ability. Puts in defensive work too. Problem is his selfish play. Someone like Arteta probably thinks he can fix that. He is also just entering peak age. Probably has a higher ceiling than Elanga
Honestly Chelsea fan here Madueke isn’t a bad player but I am baffled why you don’t just have Nwaneri as an option on the right and invest on the left? Only thing I can think is there might be a legitimate chance of Nwaneri not being able to agree a new contract and you being forced to sell.
Nwaneri is midfielder. Club wants him to play as 8/10.
But paying 50m for Madueke is stupid.
Nwaneri is Ødegaard’s backup. But I will never understand this Madueke deal
Nwaneri got close to 0 minutes in Odegaard's position when the latter was injured for 2 months though.
I have never seen a transfer where everyone in the fan base hates it. The people that run Arsenal have managed to unite a divided fanbase.
Really need it explained how Arsenal cannot find a decent winger in their early 20s anywhere in the world for less than £50m (let alone inside their own club).
Arteta has a fetish for Chelsea players, he must have.
Chelsea pheromones though
Nwaneri isn't winger.
But yeah we should be buying someone else for that price.
Arsenal didn't finalize the gyokeres deal for a few millions then throw 50m for madueke lol
Bidding 50M+ for a Saka backup or an out of position LW is malpractice.
My club is a machine that turns money from Arsenal into points against Spurs.
On the fan satisfaction scale, this is somewhere between 'diabolical' and 'maybe it's all a prank?'.
£50m oh my beer me strength
£55m Zubimendi, £10m Norgaard, £5m Kepa, £50m+ for Madueke, £65m Gyokeres, and reportedly they also want Eze. All this without any substantial sale. Feels like Arsenal spending has gone under the radar this summer.
I get the feeling it's Madueke Vs Eze rather than both.
What a horrible taste for Arsenal fans to quietly hope for an ambitious bid for Rodrigo, then get excited for Eze to splash cash for an OK squad addition in Madueke
Good opening bid. Let's continue negotiating lol.
Brother wtf is this shit
If we get 50 mil guaranteed for Madueke it will be a miracle. The guy is decent but fuck me is he the greediest player I have ever seen. At least twice a game he'll take a shot he shouldn't have and miss terribly when a teammate was open for an easy goal.
Oh boy. I'm going to be bullish and assume the hierarchy knows what they're doing and hope this works out, otherwise difficult questions will have to be asked.
I, for one, support us helping Chelsea out a bit. It's great. Arteta is just a good Samaritan here, such a rare sight these days. It's beautiful to see, really. This is great, I'm laughing, actually, this is great. Nono I mean it, this is great.
Jeeze that's high. Good player on his day but pretty inconsistent
Genuinely have no idea how Chelsea do it.
WHY???
I really hope Arteta is seeing something I am not. This feels absolutely ridiculous. I have no idea what kind of timeline I am on right now, but I want to jump off this train asap.
Gross
😂
Berta destroying any goodwill he has with the fan base with this one
50 mill down the drain, madueke shats again?
This is just absurd.
We should be pushing for slightly over 40m.
And then moving on.
He's not even worth that
Lmaoooo, starting at 50, Berta on fraud watch.
dont understand the hate tbh, this guy has all the tools to be world class and might put it together under a different system or coach
He's good but not £50mil+ when his stock is generally low levels of good. Like if he goes to money even somewhat similar to Mbuemo this is an evil transfer.
Call me fuckin stupid if you want (I wouldn’t because I’m right) but Mbuemo is going for such little money because he’s bald
Wages are key here. Madueke seems to have agreed to get similar money as he is currently getting, which is 50k/week.
Mbuemo will be on at least triple that imo, which would be 150k/week.
Over 4 year deals total wage expenses would be:
Madueke - 10.4m
Mbuemo - 31.2m
Suddenly there is around 30-40m difference in the entire package of the deals.
Total packages:
Madueke - 60.4m
Mbeumo - 93.7m
This is the only explanation I can see.
Ya we really need to start reporting deals in terms of total money across fee and wages
How much was Havertz then?
I think saying a lot is enough, lol.
I think the price does seem high and there’s questions on attitude. But you are right there are positives in there as well, I don’t think world class but could be handy
I think most of the hate is because he's a Chelsea player being linked with Arsenal. If he played for a random European club or a smaller English club without endless finances coming from god knows where, there would be very few complaints about the price after the season he had. The only problem I have is that the fee seems high considering how many players Chelsea have that can play in his position.
Absolutely disgusting
This good relationship seems pretty one-sided haha
how we are always overpaying for their dross
Better be £20m +£30m if maresca manage to grow back his hair
It's 45+5. We want 50 fixed. Watch this ending up at 50+5 or 50+10.
I feel fucking sick. I could make better decisions than this playing career mode, what the fuck is this. Also, it's inevitable we have a good relationship with Chelsea as we're so bloody insistent on taking their shit deadwood off their hands.
What are Arsenal smoking?
Remember when 50 mil got you 24 year old Kevin De Bruyne.
Remember when 72 mil got you 24 year old Nicolas Pepe
I remmeber when we were in shambles after 50 mil for Torres
I'm convinced this is money laundering.
50m is a crazy fee especially for the first bid
Forest masterclass as far as I'm concerned
Crazy money
This is ridiculous hopefully teta sees something we dont see
"Good relationship" we're talking about cross-city rivals here.
Sackable offence this
We aren’t a serious club. I was finally hopeful for some good transfers because it’s been 2 entire years since we signed decent players but no. They had to disappoint all of us. Chelsea fans must be having a good laugh. Keep signing young shit players and wait for arsenal to pick up their trash
I’m genuinely okay with Arteta getting sacked for approving this.
No you're not, stop whoring yourself out for upvotes. Melt
Why not just pay 70m for Rodrygo and you get a much better player
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