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[David Ornstein]: Tottenham Hotspur have reached an agreement for Mohammed Kudus from West Ham United for a fee of around £55million
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Honestly don’t know how this transfer is gonna work out. Kudus seems so polarizing the few times I’ve seen him. Borderline world class or couldn’t give a shit.
Definitely. Only thing I can promise you is that he'll give you both a bunch of great moments and a lot of miserable performances. Impossible to say whether this will be a success, all depends on which version you get more often. Personally glad to be rid of him. Could very well be a great signing though.
Don’t forget he’ll turn into Messi combined with Yaya Toure if it’s a televised big game
A lot of our games are televised, so maybe a win. All the European ones will be anyway
sissoko regen. tears in my eyes
Polar opposite! Sissoko always gave 100% despite being skill-challenged. Honestly amazing he made it so far with breezeblocks for feet.
Yeah Sissoko always gave full effort even when he sucked.
Sounds exactly like Johnson, except Kudus can dribble and Johnson can score 🤷🏻
Johnson does barely anything all match except for maybe one or two moments. Kudus is much more of a player who will contribute in all phases and you’ll notice him much more throughout the match.
One tap in is all it takes
That’s fair, but I simply meant the “he’ll give you both a bunch of great moments and a lot of miserable performances” line sounds like Johnson.
yeah but those “one or two moments” usually results in a goal
To be fair, those one or two moments tend to be goals, so I’ll take it
Yeah no, Kudus is very much a moments player as well. 90% of the game he's losing the ball, but when he's in the mood he's absolutely brilliant
all Johnson does is score goals and win trophies, for fucks sake what a waste.
Careful with that plural
Johnson never exactly has a full world class performance. He's consistent in what he's good at and what he's bad at for the most part.
He’s absolutely given us both great moments and miserable moments. Nowhere in that guys comment (or mine) did I say anything about world class.
What I'm trying to say is that Kudus has been accused of being inconsistent game to game depending on his effort and focus level, whereas for Johnson the issue is more that he is consistently good at scoring goals but consistently poor at certain other things like taking on his man. He is not so much variant from one game to another.
Good explanation, you’re right
Fusion? I call dibs for Wales, sorry Ghana 🤷🏻♂️
We are recreating Bale in aggregate
Unfortunately I don’t think anything will ever recreate that. Bloke was unreal, an athletic freak and was probably up there with Ronaldo in terms of being a big game player.
Is that really what you want from a £55m signing though? I get prem prices are sky high but...
Personally glad to be rid of him. Could very well be a great signing though.
This kinda says it all.
Was this the case even first season or just last season?
Ndombele 2.0? The way he bounces off of tackles is similar too
Borderline world class or couldn’t give a shit.
You'll probably get moments of both.
I just think it's funny you signed him after this.
Had forgotten how funny that headloss was, probably committed 5 yellow card offenses in a minute there.
If our social admin doesn’t leverage this with a VDV + Kudus video, I don’t even know what we’re doing anymore
They will. They did it previously when richarlison signed and met Romero iirc
Spurs social media admin has been brilliant for the last year or two
Brennan Johnson absolutely clattered Richarlison after his keepy uppies and we signed him so wouldn't be the first time
We signed Richarlison after he had a scrap with Romero. And Brennan after he took out Richarlison for juggling the ball.
Have a swing at a Spurs player and you seemingly activate the scouts.
Cc @ Malacia, Shaw,.Sancho, Rashford, Antony
No not like that
They are trying to give us one player for every time we beat them last season. Insane
Before that moment I was really wanting us to go for him, then after that I was thinking "yeah that's not gonna happen". Was surprised to see him being keen after that.
Was a similar thing with Richy and Romero, and they're pals now.
To be fair, if Elanga is 55 and Madueke is over 50, I'd take Kudus every time. But yeah, it might be risky, especially as Frank is a very tactical manager and Kudus is kind of a free spirit on the field.
He already was that way at Ajax
Man was offside 6 times a game
Le Drift Offside Man
He'll have some moments of magic that make him look world class, usually against biggest teams if its on TV. The rest of the time he plays with his head down, wins the ball on the half way line, and instead of turning to attack, runs back 20 yards and passes it back to the GK, ending the counter. Sometimes he will make 3 opponents look like one and get passed them all. He has potential to be really good and I like him a lot, but playing with your head down all the time, I don't think you can coach that out of a player. If you could, he's worth 60-70m. I am really surprised Spurs would spend 55m on him actually. But if it works out for both clubs, then great.
Edit: 55m before add ons - Ornstein.
Frank helped Mbuemo develop from a Ligue 2 player to a 20 goal winger who may go to ManUtd for 60M+. Hope he can do similar with Kudus over coming years. Going to be lots of matches next season so I imagine if Kudus isn't giving consistent performance Johnson, Tel or Odebert will get the opportunities.
Kudus' issue is the heads down way he plays. He will be worth the money if his confidence is high and Frank gets him in a good system. But the heads down thing really keeps him from ever going up a level. Frank is a good manager so we'll have to see what he can do.
Mbeumo was hyped since his Troyes days though. Kudus as well however it's not that Mbeumo was a random bum. Time will tell and also depends on if he starts over Johnson.
Not a random bum by any stretch but its still unusual for players to come up from a lower league and become one of the standout performers. Dele Alli did it, Mbuemo developed into one over a few seasons of course. Kante at LC a decade ago.
It’s funny, when we signed Mousa Sissoko years ago the main piece of feedback we got was “he’s shit unless he’s on TV” and then he turned out to be extremely consistent for us, so hoping for a similar outcome here
It took TIME though
That's a severe rewriting of history.
He was electric season before last and the one just gone he was out of position for the most joyless iteration of west ham I can remember. Also a profile we desperately need, great price too.
I can't believe people are on the fence about this its the most excited I've been for a signing since Gareth coming back
Nkunku syndrome, he has tunnel vision similar to Adam Traore at times.
He definitely has loads of talent and when he actually tries he can be unbeatable. For his first season at least he will be a massive asset.
However what will happen the rest of the time is a player that lacks the discipline to stay in the position he's told to play in (e.g. if he's told to play on the left he'll keep drifting towards the centre) and would rather try and take on every player on the opposing team than pick out a pass to a more conveniently located team mate usually resulting in attacks breaking down and getting caught in counter attacks.
Also will probably look at your team as a stepping stone if you don't manage to make Champion's League again by next season.
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Very talented with the ball at his feet. Insanely strong on the ball.
Goes missing. Gets frustrated. Never picks his head up to make a good decision in the final third.
Hills and valleys as they say.
If a good structure can be put in place, I think he'll ball out.
With the natural ability he has, I'd bet on him being successful in a good environment.
It’s very spurs to go all out on a player like this. He’ll fit right in.
Good player that downed tools for us when things got rough, always seemed to show up in the games vs big teams on TV. I think Spurs will probably get more of 23/24 Kudus than 24/25 Kudus. 55M probably a fair price. I can already see him doing bits in the CL for them
Was that a positional thing in your opinion or just a general bad attitude in a poor team thing? I thought Kudus was brilliant on the RW
Bad Attitude. He was good on the wing but Bowen is miles better and more consistant. I think he can play AM well if he improves decision making
I feel like I’m in a time capsule reading this thread. Every complaint and criticism towards Kudus is the exact same Ajax fans were constantly discussing 4 years ago
Feels like this is just who he is as a player honestly
From what I remember generally his first season at WestHam he played mostly on the RW in a more stable set up, last season he was used across the pitch and on the LW plus WestHam overall had more of a down season with less consistency from the squad overall.
This is exactly what Tottenham needed--a winger who can dribble past defenders vs just trying to outpace.
So Spurs and Newcastle have both agreed fees to sign their Mbeumo alternatives, meanwhile we still haven't sorted it out...
We are cooked.
Just got some money from Elanga’s sell-on and will get some from Carreras’ sell-on
Also if our Wissa interest pans out then the fee goes past 70
Thrlw irony is if man u had just ponied up the 60M he'd be in. But because of the penny pinching and due to all the signings in similar positions for players arguably worse than mbeumo, it wouldn't surprise if Brentford turn around and say actually his valuation in this market is closer to 75M
easy to sign Mbeumo alternatives when you're happy to buy and play wingers.
Thanks birds, now at least we got another yardstick to shake at Arsenal so we could pull 55m for Noni.
Elanga, kudus and Madueke all 55M. Insanity from Arsenal.
Big hole hopefully filled. A big deal. Frank with an absolute shed load of unrealised talent in the club.
Kudus in possession? Oooooo, boy! Kudus out of possession? Ohhhhhhh, boy.
still better than madueke in totality
Good signing, great player with top upside. Price is good for Premier league as well
Is it? £55 mil for a 25 year old who got 5 goals and 3 assists last season? I wouldn’t be happy if Everton signed a player like that for that price…
For those asking why the fee is so low:
He's told us he ain't playing for us again, we need money due to PSR, and he was bang average last season.
Genuinely don't really feel anything that he's leaving, which is quite sad considering how exciting it was when we first signed him.
Edit: Roshane Thomas (top tier west ham ITK) has said that Kudus had informed the club he would 100% be leaving this summer, that effectively means he doesn't want to play for the club again.
So low?
55mil for a player that, lets be honest, is inconsistent seems quite reasonable
does anyone think the fee is low?
Considering madueke is going for 50m yeah
Madueke had a better season last year and is younger
Not really, it could’ve been worse but WH didn’t have a ton of leverage.
right on point for the market imo. If Cunha and mbuemo are 60-65M, Elanga 55, Madueke 50-60ish TBD, Kudus for mid 50's seems about right. Will be fun to watch and see which of these players do the best next season.
Gordon for 45M seems a steal now for Newcastle.
I was gonna say, it’s almost like every club looked at Cunha’s release clause and went “yeah somewhere in that ballpark is about right.” 5 different PL wingers (sort of in Cunha’s case) all going for £55-65m in the same summer to other PL clubs, that feels kinda unusual.
Surpised no one else was in on Cunha, i wish Spurs had been. Him and Mbuemo are the most consisten/proven out of the bunch. It is strange though, especially because its all within the league too.
He hasn't said that. PSR isn't an issue. The click baiters really do get everyone believing some nonsense. Potter wants different players, Kudus is one who can fetch a fee and doesn't mind leaving, so a deal is found. Good luck to him. I hope he doesn't score against us much. 55m will pay for 2-3 holes that really need filling to make us competitive again. Luis Guilherme will get to shine now hopefully. He looked wonderful at the end of season. Edit: 55m before add ons from Ornstein.
"The Hammers borrowed £40m from Barclays Bank last summer secured against future Premier League payments. The terms of the short-term loan dictates that the money must be repaid by 15th July 2025 which is next Tuesday."
This is probably what they mean and not PSR.
Yeah that may be why they think this. But this loan has been known about since it was taken out, and was in the last accounts released. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with the transfer budget, PSR, having to sell etc. That loan's payments and interest has been set aside constantly since the loan was made. That was just bs click bait stuff released by our owners mouth piece to make clubs think we have less money. He does this every summer.
I didn't say or imply any of that. I have no idea what the driving force at WH is, but it does seem like they just accepted a fee that most of us would expect to be higher without much contention.
Who knows.
Where did you see him say he'd never play for us again?
Nowhere, he has never said that.
Ops Ass
Every ITK talking about this transfer has said that Kudus had made it clear that he's leaving this summer
Wants a move =/= saying they're never playing for the club again
So low? The game is absolutely gone.
That’s a borderline high price for a player of his quality and attitude to the game. It’s a gamble for sure, good player there but you can get either version of him on any given game week.
dude has attitude problems. Same for Ajax. Could be brilliant but ghosted most of the time
Bang average is incredibly generous.
He was the worst player on the pitch for a good chunk of the season
That’s definitely a motivation thing more than a skill thing then
Don't hear people ever getting this one out for Rashford
If Rashford were on better wages I think a lot of teams would be taking a shot on him. He'd be selling for 60m no problem
Two of my closest friends are West Ham fans. They are very happy just to get rid. Their opinion is outside of showboating for 10 minutes here and there he doesn’t really do anything. Will be interesting to see how he does.
Fantastic signing. Thomas Frank is a great manager, could see him doing very well with Spurs if given time.
Love this signing. Squad was crying out for a player of his skillset
Where will he fit in the starting line-up? Is he competing with BJ for the RW position?
Most likely, frees Kulusevski up to be in the middle permanently
In-game, I'd like to see them switching just for the chaos. Neither of them is a better wide player than in the middle.
Spurs were abject last season with being unable to unlock low-block teams who would then counter attack into huge midfield holes. Odobert on the LW, who was injured for a long time, is the only player they have that can keep taking on a man.
Kudus can do this on the RW and offers a completely different profile to Johson.
He will be the starting RW.
few Spurs podcasts have posed the possibility of Frank moving Johnson more central, either as a lone striker or playing off Solanke. Scoring is his best trait and Frank has a track record of successfuly converting wide players to strikers.
Easy to imagine Solanke ST and Kudus RW with Johnson coming on as a sub for either, or lining up as a striker playing off Solanke depending on the opposition.
I thought he would be competing with James Maddison?
Kudus is not the most consistent guy in the world but for 55 million he is a better deal than madueke. Wonder why Arsenal didn't go for him?
Him sitting on the bench behind Saka or playing 'out of position' on the left seems to be a surefire way to spark his attitude issues.
Different profiles I suppose. Noni is one of the best carrying wingers out there and kudus is more of a dribbler. Again, my opinion
what’s the difference between the two? honest question
Ball carriers receive the ball usually around the half way line and advance it to the final their. A dribbler is more of the final-third creator by beating a man.
Don't know about that. Madueke is amazing and he has been getting better at defensive work as well which was his biggest problem. Idk why we are selling him though. But I trust in the club because recently most of the signings have been good.
Just like old times, huh West Ham fans? Defoe, Carrick, Parker, and now Kudus. It's good to revive an old tradition. We'll get Kudus back to being motivated in no time
Games back
🎵West Ham’s our feeder club 🎵
When he is on he is absolute class. That match against Arsenal last season was something else
He looked like Neymar in that game
That game against city too, where he scored the bicycle kick. Absolutely unplayable
Balling out against Assnal? I like the sound of that...
Finally we’ve done something
You weren't rock hard over Spurs signing Kota Takai?
TBF this is the 3rd signing of the window. People just forget about Tel since he was here last season
And I couldn't be happier that we've got Danso, he's such a solid option at CB.
But given they first arrived in January, you can't blame fans for anticipating 'new' arrivals. It's also about where we need to strengthen - LB cover for Udogie, a true DCM and a back-up striker to lighten Solanke's load.
Spot on for what are targets should be for the rest of the window. Praying for a class defensive mid
I like how a couple of days ago r/soccer was shitting on us because of some TalkSport nonsense around our first bid. Everyone wanted to say how we were cheap as beans unwilling to pay up.
Now the deal is done, with a rival club at that. In a world where Arsenal and United are still squabbling over a few mil to get a striker.
Just goes to show what kind of morons frequent this sub. Myself included sometimes.
It's because r/soccer is infested with both Assnal and Chelshite supporters.
That's sick
That is an abysmal fee even with his poor season, Sullivan is a stupid fuck for agreeing to that. We’re run by genuinely the most inept person possible when it comes to selling players.
Honestly thought you wouldn't even budge below 70m seeing as it was us trying to buy him
In his 15 years as owner of the club David Sullivan has sold around 10 players for a profit of more than £1 million. If you take out academy graduates then you can half that number. He is absolutely the worst negotiator in the league by a wide margin.
You love to see it!
lol, Levy put his nuts on the table and told them we’ll pay our valuation and you’ll like it.
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The Europa League Championship pull is real.
Kudus to Spurs
Elanga is more consistent but kudus is on a different planet when it comes to talent and the ability to win offensive duels and carry a ball dangerously in the final third
Kudus will be better for spurs than Elanga for nufc but it’s also obvious that kudus would’ve never entertained going north and is probably on higher wages than Elanga
Elanga was consistent in a low block forest team that excelled on counter attacks. I think he's going to have a less impactful season playing for Newcastle against mid and low blocks more often. Pure speculation of course.
55m for Kudus or 50m for Madueke?
Kudus all day, the only reason he doesn't cost more is due to afgon
Ghana didn’t qualify this year so he won’t be going
I’m biased but Kudus all day. Similar levels at the moment but Kudus has shown much more promise
Kudus all day
Kudus imo
Good riddance tbh.
Brilliant when he can be arsed. The entirety of last season he was a net negative to the team.
How much of that was the position he was being played in? He was much better in 23-24 on the right
It's a factor for sure, but also highlights some of his shortcomings. He's one-footed and his decision making can be very poor at times so playing on the left exacerbated those issues. When he's on the right, he's a decent scoring threat but not much of a scoring threat at all on the left. He's very athletic though and world class at dribbling at least. All in all it's the type of transfer that could improve both sides, he is wasted for us on the left and we already have Bowen at RW.
He's not a sure thing but on paper he's exactly what we need
Romano is such a tap in merchant.
Ornstein the GOAT
I've always rated him as the next possibly world class winger. The issue with him is consistency and his attitude. Hope he does well at spurs, they need a new talisman.
I'm certain he was convinced by what Frank did with especially Mbeumo, but also the likes of Watkins, Wissa and even Benrahma. Wouldn't be surprised if he made a very good argument for Kudus that he could take him to 25-30 G/A per season.
Much rather him than noni 😭
Yep..
Can't wait until the owners find out what kudus mean in Arabic.
What does it mean?
Kudos to you. Idk
£55m seems low for this monster. Better luck robbing fort knox than taking the ball off him.
I'm really leaning into this supposed rivalry we have to laugh at all the Spam supporters who have completely lost their heads over this
Decent fee for him and much better value and developed player with a price tag at 55mil than bloody Madueke at 50 mil.
🤑
Anything to stop getting 10-0'ed by PSG 😅
Gotta say, I’m not too sad to see him go. His decision making can be very poor; we wasted a lot of possession and counter attacking opportunities because of it. Tottenham probably have the personnel to accommodate a player like that better than we do though, so maybe he’ll be better for Spurs. Best of luck to both.
Whenever we (Liverpool) face WHU, I always have a feeling that Kudus and maybe Bowen are the two that can make differences from them.
Kudus can take on people with ease, have fast foot and have that flair in him.
Dont know if he can perform in a possession-style team though.
No clue if Spurs will be possesion-based team next season considering our squad is much better at counter-attacking
Yeah maybe but you guys seem to invest big this summer (Tel and then Kudus).
And with the size of Spurs I think Thomas Frank will try attack football while opponents will sit back, or other way around, they will sit back and u guys will have a lot of balls.
Dont know if he can perform in a possession-style team though
This serious? Or do you just not know about his career outside of West Ham?
Thank fuck for that. Defo pleased with the fee, I feel like we are lucky to get that considering how bad he was last season. Hopefully we reinvest it well and due to his best position being the same as bowens, we won’t really miss him. Saying that, we have horrific owners so I don’t actually have much hope
Newcastle should be trying to sign him or Noni
Kudus yes noni no. But for our manager elanga is a better option. Obviously mbeumo would have been top priority.
I haven’t seen a ton of him, but what I’ve seen has been impressive. If they can continue to develop him and get the ceiling out of him, this was an excellent signing.
Have West Ham had any incomings so far? Feels like there's been a lot of contacts and loans ending without any replacements
Bomba!
Seems like Chelsea are trying to use this fee what we want for Noni.
Makes me feel a little better about the Mbuemo fee now tbh
Not that Kudus isn’t very good, just that that’s where prices are now in the Prem
Kudus under Frank can be scary. 😱
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