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[FootballDatabase] Ousmane Dembélé has reached 51 goal contributions this season, surpassing the 50 G+A mark for club and country
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Footballers peaking at 27/28 is exactly what this sport needs, tired of people placing crazy expectations on players in their early twenties
They expect world beaters at 20-22 now
Crazy the standard João Neves set on the footballing world
Real and true
Joao Neves looks like a 27 year old, not gonna lie
Thanks a lot Yamal
And remember, he‘s still only 17.
Messi/Ronaldo just raised the bar, people essentially have different expectations now
Well Messi's best ever year is 2012, when he was 25.
Ronaldo's best ever year is 2013-14 when he was 27-28.
Zidane didn't win ballon d'or until he was 26.
Maradona wasn't the consensus best player in the world until he was 26.
peaking at 25-30 is normal lol.
Benzema had his best ever season at 33 y/o.
Messi was 24 for half of 2012 tbf but I personally don't have 2012 as his best atleast not season wise 14/15 I number one for me but you can argue different seasons from his early 20s till his 30s.
Messi's best years in my opinion were
2012 - 25
2015 - 28
2019 - 32
2011 - 24
2016 - 29
2018 - 31
2017 - 30
2010 - 23
2021 - 34
2009 - 22
I prefer doing it seasonal but fair.
Messi’s ability to take on players on demand was way better prior to his 2013 injury. He was unstoppable without being fouled all game.
In 2011, minus the Copa Del Rey final he just dominated most teams.
It was clearly his best season w.r.t individually impacting the bigger games, hence would rate that as #1, even though later on he became more complete.
The ability to 1 v 3 or 4 consistently and efficiently is what sets that season apart.
Sometimes I watch a random highlights videos and man... it's fucking insane how easy he would go through whole ass defenses. Crazy he lost that and became an even better player.
Just today he went on a run and dribbled through 3 players before getting his shot blocked by the 4th. It's insane.
Modric became who he was only after he was like 27
And funny thing both Messi and Ronaldo prime were still their late 20s to early 30s
Eh not really, their primes began in their early/mid 20s.
Nope they were hyped to hell and were amazing in early 20s but if you check Ronaldo peak from 2015-18 he was late 20s to early 30s when he was champions league 3 times a row. As far as Messi he really had two primes 2012 and 2019. Tbf Messi been consistent his whole career till psg
Ronaldo was more successful 2015-2018 but he was a better player from 2010-2014
Post 2015 his numbers dropped off, he was experiencing longer goal droughts, and his agility declined due to his knee injury
If only Ronaldo didn’t transition to the poacher role post Madrid career he would be looked at better player than he is now. But when Ronaldo joined Madrid he was already 24. And by 2012 which was also his “peaks” he would have already been 26 entering his late 20s so still match peaking late 20s
If you look at the best ever version of Ronaldo, it was in 2012 or 2013. He was 27 and 28 then. So yeah he did peak in his late 20s yes. But I don't think including the early 30s works. 2015-18 Ronaldo was a worse player overall than 2008-11.
Wrong. It's widely accepted that CR7's best version as a player was during his 20s, his time as a flashy goalscorer with every trick in the book was between 2007-2012. How old are you?
Messi already won four Ballon d'Ors by the age of 25 lmao, his prime began since arguably 2008.
Messi was 2nd and 3rd in the Ballondar before 21 years old.
Yes Messi was amazing his whole career but imo the peak of his career is 2012, and 2019. Regardless I don’t think it’s fair to compare anyone with Messi and Ronaldo they were good their whole career until they entered the “retirement” phase
People will still to this day argue that the best season of messis career was 10/11 and its a valid argument, he was 23 during that season, had respected footballers calling him the best player they have ever seen lol.
His best season for me has to be 18/19, that’s Messi full package right there. He could literally do anything
14/15 was absurd too
It's still shocking and hilarious to me (and I think I say this every time 18/19 Messi come up) that Barca didn't win the CL that year lol. What more could he have done
14/15 he was part of prime MSN, and 18/19 he had old Suarez, washed Coutinho, and Dembulance missing sitters. Messi did everything he could in 18/19.
Pique I thought was really good that season
14/15 had everything apart from the free kicks and with a higher physical level. It's number 1 for me as someone who has watched every season of his career for the last 15 years week in week out.
2011-2012 and 2012-2013 seasons was his peak.
12/13 barely makes his top 5 and bare in mind I think thats a season comfortably better than any other season I've seen from any other player.
that was his goalscoring peak since he had peak xavi and iniesta behind him and didn’t have as big of a playmaking duty but 14/15 was definitely his overall peak as a complete package
100%, Messi was a one-man army that season. Like you say, it felt like he could do anything, and then it simultaneously felt like he was doing everything.
If anyone else on the pitch was on the receiving of that through pass at the end of the first leg against you lot rather than Dembele, I think it would've been just a step too far to mount a comeback. Yeah, yeah, I know, we don't know how it would've played out in reality, but I genuinely think that Dembele miss provided the faintest glimmer of hope.
Which, honestly, is a shame most of all because Messi and that Barça side could've torn that Spurs team to shreds in the final. That would've been a fun watch.
Not just them, we've seen several young players this past decade become world class level players by their early 20s (Mbappe, Haaland, Vini, Musiala, Bellingham, Wirtz, etc.). Now we're seeing Yamal at 17 years old..
I mean that’s what kinda got Liverpool to the top. Salah and VVD both really started to break through in the mid 20s , add in Alisson, Fabinho, Henderson, Matip, Mane, and Firmino, Wijlandum, they were all in that 27ish range when Liverpool started to really challenge
People are genuinely attacking a 17 year old like crazy and is probably one of the most hated on the planet. It’s insane the standards they have
I mean its not like he couldnt have been better when he was younger. Theres ample evidence he didnt have his priorities right even in comparison to people his age. He's stilll a human of course, but he clearly squandered some of his immense privilege in his younger years.
They’re humans not robots. The miles on their legs are becoming way too much by the time they get there
Amazing that he surpassed 50 to get to 51.
51 > 50 don’t ya know.
It’s 50 until it’s 51.
With PSG winning everything in this season there is no doubt who's gonna win Ballon D'or this season and it's gonna be Dembele.
I hope Vitinha gets his flowers too. What a player.
Insane that they could have 4 players in the top 5 and it would be somewhat fair.
It is wild seeing how much he has grown as a player (between the fixture when he fluffed his shot against Bayern resulting in a goal line clearance by De ligt) to today.
I mean, as it should be.
Mendes should be higher up the list.
Hakimi probably over Mendes
Do you have the stat for 2025 alone?
28 goals and 9 assists in 36 games
The CWC counts for 24/25?
it started before the end of the season, so yeah
Bro has almost scored as many goals this season as he did in his entire barca career
I hate him so much
LOL
sigh he really is going to win the bdo, isn't he
If someone told me during his BVB tenure that he‘ll win a ballon d‘or someday i‘d have totally believed it. But if someone told me during his dark Barca days I would‘ve laughed my ass off.
will be his first ever nomination as well
Deserved, every single competition he showed up. Not just G/A but when he doesn’t score which is rarely, he still contributes a lot for PSG
Having the G/A, the deeper playmaking and the defending/pressing is so total
The second he was subbed off, real Madrid started playing better
So much of PSG's goodness is underpinned by his quality. His technical skill, pace and press are all crucial to Enrique's gameplan. PSG might do well to sell Ramos given how small the market for decent 9s currently is, and buy themselves another total forward who's not a 9 but could be molded into something similar to what Dembélé has been doing.
Loo no PSG have been mid all 2nd half
Mid psg without Dembele was still better than real
Mid PSG 1️⃣ - 0️⃣ Real Madrid. Second half.
Same thing they did to Bayern with 9 men.
I mean so? PSG were mid but real are obviously worse
If you hate PSG just say it lol
I swear some of you are children. PSG were sloppy all second half.
You can cope all you want tho
That often happens when a team has a big lead secured at half time.
Yamal winning would be insanity even for as good as he is. His time will come
Was always spanish media nonsense. Yamal shouldn’t even be in the conversation~ there at least 3 PSG players ahead of him this year.
Love yamal but the way fans disregarded raphinha's insane season was something else. You don’t put up 60+ g/a for nothing
Look at how everybody was certain that Mbappe's time would come. He'll be 27 soon without a bdo. Yamal is just the first of the next gen, we'll see who breaks out in 2030 and then we'll see if his time will come.
Yeah it’s over lol
It was pretty much a dead cert that he was leading the race for it after the PSG won the treble. This just confirms it even more. Nobody is close to him.
He deserves it, just skill and class with no PR bullshit
IMO Pedri deserves it but PSG are treble winners so it would also be fair
He does not deserve it over him..
Not even sure Pedri deserves it over Vitinha, nevermind Dembélé.
Pedri is better than vitinha, this debate was only started by Madrid fans when they realised jude can't compete
Look, the small midfielders with slick on-the-ball, amazing retention and vision who control the flow of games are my favorite profiles in football, so i've been watching PSG and Barca like a mfer for those two players. There really isn't that much between them, yes i'd give a marginal edge for intrinsic quality to Pedri, but Viti edges it for winning everything for both club and country. Leading your teams to trophies and glory has always mattered to BD'Or rankings.
I'm not disputing that they have won a lot, but the guy was saying pedri should win it because of his footballing ability, and I was agreeing with him, that's why I said pedri is better
Barca fans overrating their players again. The only player you have that is as good as you lot think they are is Yamal. Raphina and Pedri are brilliant, but to act like Pedri is the best player in the world this season is madness.
Honestly pedri has been barcas most consistent player and as much as they wank yamal many of them wouldn't be mad if someone said pedri had a better season. Personally for me he was their best player last season, so if you think yamal was up there then I think it can't be madness to put pedri up there.
Yamal doesn't deserve the Balon D'or. Never said that, just that he's the only that deserves the hype he gets from Barca fans. Pedri had a great season, but both Raphina and Yamal were better, ofc I didn't watch every la liga game just the el classicos and their CL games so I can't speak for the rest of it, but in the games that mattered Yamal and Raphina were the best.
Despite that, no one at Barca deserves the BalonD'or this year. Cubarci is overrated as well. I dont think Pedri is better than Yamal, but even if you are of that opinion Yamal deserves more hype considering how outrageously good he is for his age.
I do watch barca regularly and that's probably why we have differing opinions, pedri was better in la liga than yamal and raphinha for me. I said what I said because barca fans hype yamal as the best player in the world so if you think thats justified then in my opinion Pedri is certainly up there and so is raphinha.
For me Pedri is the best midfielder out there, he's a special player and my favourite player to watch in Europe, kinda fills the void iniesta left when he left Europe.
I like Pedri a lot but it's the Xavi & Iniesta comparisons for me, he's not even close to that. Also the reason Yamal deserves his hype is because he's 17 and already a top 5 winger in the world.
Please learn to read, I was talking about pedri vs vitinha
Fair, mistook you for the original commenter but I don't think Pedri is better than Vitinha either, although it is rather close.
it comes to preference but he is easily barca's most important player, he's been our most important player since he was 18 yr old
Stop, no way you think Vitinha is better than Pedri. That is recency bias to the max.
Lol, another Barca fan? Vitinha arguably deserves BallonD'or this year over Dembele. He's that good, plus Portugal won a trophy.
Ad hominem attacks only go so far. I personally don’t think Dembele was even PSG’s best player, Vintinha and Hakimi probably hold that mantle. Trophies does not equal class and Pedri has shown above Vitinha this year and every year previously. Sorry but I’m sure you will be happy with Vitinha as your candidate while I’m happy with mine. I’m not saying Pedri should win Balon D’or. But I’m not naive enough to start overhyping players over what has been shown.
Vitinha can still win Ballon Dor and I would still consider Pedri a better center mid.
There was no ad hominem whatsoever. We'll have to disagree on Pedri being better than Vitinha, this year Vitinha has been much better, that may not be the case next year or in the future but he was the better player this year.
Nah, Dembele has surpassed them all.
You know what the worst part is? If he wins it before Mbappe that sort of makes Bartomeu right.
Wow thanks [FootballDatabase]! I did not know 51 is greater than 50.
Thank you! Very cool!
Not bad from the future ballon d'or
51 G/A in 3380 minutes, Messi/Ronaldo level goal contributions per 90.
Insane what they did year in year out lol
Is that Messi/ronaldo level?
No. Certainly not peak Messi levels like that phrase usually implies. It's a decent bit short.
Messi in 2010/11 (his peak in terms of goal contributions) had 80 goal contributions in 4579 minutes, or a G/A every 57.2 minutes, Dembele is at a G/A every 66 minutes. Not quite on par with peak Messi but not that far. Nvm his peak is 2012 where he was at a G/A every 49 minutes, still crazy that this is the benchmark you have to compare Dembele to, with Dembele having to be rested against the weaker Ligue 1 opponents due to his injury prone nature.
Messi in 2010/11 (his peak in terms of goal contributions)
10/11 was not Messi's peak in terms of goal contributions LOL
He had better individual numbers in 11/12, 12/13, and 14/15
G/A every 49 minutes is absolutely absurd, the stats from that season are mind boggling
Next season would have been more if not for his injury against PSG and then he lost his massive burst of pace. Anyway as a football fan, we enjoyed that Messi a lot. Only player who had that kind of burst of pace was R9.
Ney had it too.
I think the 17-18 season with PSG. That's right?
But that last point is what makes what they did even more impressive, playing all those minutes and maintaining that quality is absurd. Dembele is nowhere near them this season either in stats and even more if you actually watch football. He has been really really good though and finally fulfilling the potential that everyone knew he had.
Remove the penalties of Messi/Ronaldo season's since Dembele doesn't take them and I'm pretty sure it's incredibly close. Dembele also contributes immensely in the game, as shown by his FBREF stats which are literally all in the 95th percentile in build-up. And he contributes defensively and presses. He's obviously not half the player either of them were, but if he does win the Ballon D'Or, his season is very respectable and people saying this is a weak Ballon D'Or haven't watched what he does for the team on top of his goal contributions.
I mean i didn't say any of that last bit lol, i think he's had a great season and is crucial to the way psg play but he isn't close to messi or ronaldo statistically or ability wise.
Compared to their lowest year in their prime, yeah
He also doesn't shoot penalties, he'd be up there if he did.
3381 is excluding his Minutes for France, and 51 G/A includes his two goals for them, so it's 51 G/A in about 3,933 minutes, still very impressive.
This is the Dembele Barca looked forward to when they signed him from Dortmund
funny thing is that the g/a isn’t his best contribution to the best.. it’s the pressing
And swooped every club trophy in the process but PR would have you believe he shouldn’t get the Ballon d’Or
Yamal/Barca PR in full force
Ballon d'or 🏆
BALLON D’OR
Dembouzz score a hatty second half I'll personally deliver the bdor to your home
Hakimi Ballon d'or
Impressive, but where tf was this guy in Barca?
On the wing when he played, he really took a leap when Luis Enrique moved him to false 9
In the hospital ofcourse
Give my good brother his well deserved B‘dor 🥹❤️💙
BDR.
Does he have the most in Europe?
No, he's fifth
Raphinha (62)
Salah (61)
Kane (60)
Mbappé (52)
Raphinha jeez take it easy
Good to see wingers like Raphinha and Salah up there
Poor raphinha, man. What a season he's had, and you barely hear about it
Yeah he's only being mentioned as one of the top four players in the world.
You hear about it all the time wdym?
You can blame Yamal for that.
Imagine Yamal didn't exist or just didn't have the PR he had.
The entire club and fanbase have been lobbying for Yamal to win Ballon d'or over Raphinha.
I dare say its even more normal among Barca fans to favour Pedri before Raphinha as well lol.
Real Madrid fans/club are just as bad. the whole debacle about Vinicius getting "robbed" by Rodri when imo Vini wasn't even Real's best player in 2024. Jude Bellingham was. Jude > Rodri > Vini (imo).
Just like Dembele > Raphinha > Yamal > (a handful of players) > Pedri (imo)
Raphinha is easily Barcelona's best player this season but it seems among fans its:
75% Yamal this
15% Pedri that
10% Raphinha
numbers pulled out of my ass but I really don't like how Raphinha isn't getting enough love form his club and its fans.
I'm saying. Raphinha had an insane season and once yamal started getting the media attention, it’s like fans started forgetting raphinha. Imo, he should be no. 2 at least but all I can do is sigh
It’s because towards the business end of the season Yamal was playing better than anyone else had played at any point during the season.
The ballon dor is based on the full season so I agree he doesn’t deserve to win it.
Raphina 62 balls not goals
wot
Sorry Yamal, maybe next year buddy 🥱
Give him 4-5 years to truly be in contention for worlds best player, he’s barely hit puberty yet
Dw he has 2 decades to win one lil bro 😉
They said this about Mbappé
It’s football he might also never win anything again, unlikely but possible
Next year is Doué
20025 balon dor winner
think he’ll be dead by then
what?
20025, he’ll be dead by then
oh mb spelling mistake 2025*
From temu dembele at Barca to Amazon Prime Dembele 🔥🔥
You don’t consider the Club World Cup part of the new season?
And still the balon dor debate will revolve around Messi/Cr7/Haaland/Kdb/Rodri/Vini jr/Bruno Fernandes etc 😤😤😤 . It's a f*cking joke!!!!
CWC win will settle the debate for ballon d'or if it isn't already
CR7 prime was def not at united he was amazing there but not his prime. We can’t even measure Messi to other player as he literally won bdo across 3 decades. Both Messi and Ronaldo peak powers were 2016-2020. Messi we can’t even measure extend to 2022. If being flashy is considered a metric for being in your prime then Neymar would be considered the best player ever or Ronaldinho and that’s clearly not the case
Man. Were you watching football 2010-15? It's impossible to look at 2018 Ronaldo and think he peaked there compared to 5yrs before. He was far more complete before he turned 30. Messi aged a little better but even he was a much better player before 30 too. Look at the pace he used to have back then.
Pace isn’t everything tho imo the best Ronaldo I’ve watched and I’ve watch him since 2010 was 2016. But there is a case 2013 was his peak year tho
I guess he'll win the Balon D'or? No one really stood out this season but oh well
How the fuck is this not standing out?
Either Raphinha or him for me, but yeah I think Dembele had a better season bc of UCL
anulo mufa
This is what a decade of CR7 and Messi did to people's brains ladies and gentlemen
g/a wise there are 4 others above him
Still less than Mbappe which just shows his level
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