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What would you have voted/done with Randall?
Would you hang him? Let him stay? Just exile him? What do you think?
Discussion
I probably would have mercy killed him on the fence honestly
This is exactly it for me. I personally would've felt that if I chose to bring him and fix him up, then the choice to let him live has already been made.
It was pretty early on. Jim had been the only ‘mercy kill’ at that point to my knowledge, and we’re talking about a stranger. Wasn’t Hershel there, too?
Jim wasn't killed, he asked to be dropped off under a tree where he could pass away in peace, this was before the group met Hershel and before they even reached the CDC and realized how bad the situation was. Plus, Rick had already killed 2 people who were a danger to him, Hershel and Gleen just an hour ago, mercy killing was definitely in the picture.
Probably wouldn’t have thought of this without hindsight, but let him think someone is breaking him out and that you’re both going to his group. See what he says, learn how many people there are, where they are, and what type of group they are. If they seem like a bad group that he would then lead back to the farm - don’t give him the chance
Sort of what Shane did based on how Randall was explaining except without the purpose of trying to kill Rick and replace him as leader.
Yeah, maybe he’d have thought of it too if he weren’t spiraling
I would’ve liked to see him escape, then link up with the Claimers (pre-Daryl) & be the one who Rick kills in the bathroom.
Or have his original group be the Claimers.
That group- nor many others - would’ve survived a day with the claimers. They were a very violent bike gang type group.
That is actually genuis
Yeah but we know his group was bad from Dave and Tony. Rick made so many dim decisions early on.
True, still could’ve learned some important information and potentially gotten a better read on what type of person Randall was while he’s not fearing for his life
Killed him as soon as he made that comment about the little girls. Surprised Daryl didn’t tbh
He didn’t condone it. He said what he saw others do
Read between the lines, dude. He said they were 'real young, real cute...' and trailed off, then quickly went 'but I didn't touch them!' when he was clearly just reminiscing about how 'cute' he found them. Not to mention the fact that when he thought Shane was coming to join their group, he was babbling about how great the group is, how much fun they have even though it gets 'a little crazy sometimes' - he was absolutely involved.
Yeah, absolute best case scenario is he watched and enjoyed it. But you’re right, him participating is at least as likely.
He said the girls were real young and real cute and to me it seemed like he probably did participate.
Honestly, it doesn’t even matter if he did or didn’t. The fact he stuck around with a group like that just tells you what type of person he is.
Absolutely. He also eagerly tried to manipulate Carl when he saw him in the rafters. I know he would say anything to escape but he saw a child and was like "easy manipulation target spotted"
Bingo. Pretty much.
Even if he didn’t, saying what he said was creepy as hell and enough to not trust him.
Nah he’s a rapist or wants to rape. He was buddies up with rapists.
Leaving him in the fence would be best. After learning what him and his group did though I'd vote to just kill him
Wasn’t he the guy who said that he and his gang encountered a man with a daughter, and his guys raped the girl while he presumably just didn’t do anything? Or was it another dude?
Edit: since it’s the guy, the answer is obvious: throw him to the walkers, and Dale can shove it. I also remember that he was kinda savoring the retelling of this story
I believe he said something like they made the girl's father watch.
Like I commented above when he said that he knew who Maggie was and where she lived.I would have killed him right then and there.
No matter what he was not a trustworthy person. He would have brought nothing good to the group.
Yeah, and don’t believe for a second that he didn’t participate. 100% certain that he said it so Daryl wouldn’t off him here and there
It is a very important character on the show.Because it was really the first time they had to decide how they were going to deal with outside people.
Which I think is when they came up with like the three questions.
Because remember after they beat the governor not only did they take all the people from woodbury into the prison but darrell was actually going out and finding people to bring back.
So I think that kid taught them a valuable lesson about how to determine whose worth saving and who's not.
The 3 questions came up to Rick in the prison when he had the hallucination calls on the phone. He was asked the 3 questions then and adopted it moving forward
It was actually a man and his 2 young teenage daughters and they beat the man and made him watch his daughters get gang raped and I’m pretty sure they left them alive after, not 100% sure tho but it was some pretty gruesome shit
Not it's this guy
Nah that was him.
If Hershel is saying shoot him on the fence, then shoot him on the fence.
Left him on the fence. With a bullet in the brain as a mercy.
Im not wasting the bullet. His screams are my distraction
Gunshot does that just fine. If I knew he was a rapist at that moment sure but just leaving someone to get eaten when you have the means to make it quick is dark af
The guy was actively trying to shoot me and mine. No chances
That kid is dead. Rick should not have gone against Herschel and Glenn in the first place.
Make Rick kill him for being stupid enough to save someone who tried to kill you.
Shane was absolutely right here. And honestly, he was right on most of the shit they were dealing with on the farm. I’m incredibly sympathetic to where Dale was coming from because if you function as judge, jury, and executioner, you have to admit that the world as you knew it was gone. That’s what they were wrestling with.
Killed him. He said he’s not like the rest of his group and that they did bad things to little girls…. Yet he didn’t give up any information about them until it was beat out of him… This implies he was lying and that he actually was like them and it was his choice to tag along. If he hadn’t of protected his group initially, I might be more inclined to agree with Dale. But as it stands, he protected rapists and murderers. He’s gotta go.
Do I only have season 2 knowledge?
No you're a random dude in Rick's group
I’d just cover him in zombie guts and wish hm luck
Ooooo ok that is actually not bad
I’d probably leave him a knife. If he wants to Sang-Woo his way out
Actually, thats a halfway decent set. The guts keep him moderately invis and the knifes (probably) expendable enough youll find more. Not bad. I don’t remember if he can see the wound or not/how he was positioned. He could possibly “cut” himself out (but would do HELLA damage AND scream his head off) Its at least leaving his fate to himself and not an absolute death sentence.
I wanna say it was above the knee.
They should have shot him on that fence
Guys to clarify, this is AFTER he gets taken off the fence so don't say leave him there
Ok, then i'd put him back on the fence.
I think the point is that a lot of us wouldn't have had the dilemma because we wouldn't have taken him off of the fence.
Leave him, kill him as an act of mercy
Before knowing that he knew Maggie, I'd exile him. After that though, I wouldn't have been as nice.
It's a mercy kill while he's still stuck on the fence. Anything other than that was dangerously naive.
that dude shoulda stayed in that fence.
In front of the group, I would question how the shootout in the bar went down and find out what Randall’s group wanted. After learning that they were trying to find the farm and attempted to kill our people, I’d explain that our only option was to execute Randall. His group struck first and showed their true colors. Allowing him to leave would risk everyone’s safety. I’d also suggest preparing lookouts, recon, a defensive position, exit strategies, and a rendezvous point for worst case-scenario.
The lack of an exit strategy is why they lost so many at the farm/was sloppy & caused Andrea to get lost (though that event sort of gave us michonne, so it was important) Granted, they hadnt seen “waves” like that up until then, but it shouldve probably been a scenario they imagined ahead of time.
Considering how often the group gets separated, attacked and ran out of their home, they rarely seem to have good exit strategies 😂
One of the most annoying parts of the show for me were the decisions not to kill people who posed great danger to the group. They are in literal life and death situations every day, they've killed countless undead and many humans yet there's always "oh no we can't kill this bad dangerous person, that would be immoral"
You can never know until you really meet them.
Imagine if someone didn't know you but didn't even care to give you a chance.
In the zombie apocalype Walking Dead scenario? I can imagine that very well. Not a time for fucking about
I would hang him. It was the first moral dilemma the group faced since the start of the outbreak, and as much as Dale pleaded, it was never going to change anything. They had all decided what needed to be done to ensure their survival.
From that point forward, that was their code.
“You! You just sit and plan and hesitate! You pretend like you know, when you don’t!”
Do the same thing Shane did but I wouldn’t be so secretive about it
Would have left him on the fence. Fuck that.
It didn't matter Shane already had his mind made up.
I'm sorry, but once he admitted that he went to school with Maggie, his freedom was a threat to the rest of them. They didn't find him on the side of the road, he was part of a group that was looking for a safe place to stay and would kill to secure it. Goodbye, sir.
Couldn't Maggie confirm something like "Oh, I know him, he was a good classmate of mine, good kid." ?
Perhaps. I really want to say that she was basically like "oh, we went to school together, he was a grade below me" or something like that, but she couldn't really vouch for him as if they were old friends. Also, even a month into the apocalypse was a desperate enough time that you probably couldn't trust people you vaguely knew to not be lunatics. The fact that Hershel took in the group probably had more to do with the fact that he had an obligation to help Carl and send them on their way, but if someone came knocking at his door looking for a place to stay, he'd probably meet them on the porch with that unlimited ammo shotgun of his.
I’d let him off out into the woooods and see if he can survive.
He’d have gone to his group, and if his group was still there he’d have brought them to the farm and they would’ve attacked them. It’s very obvious with how Randal lied to the group but then flat out told Shane his group was close to the highway.
Yeah and I drive on the Highway every day for work so this is very VERY dangerous for ne.
It's amazing how much the groups decisions in this sense changed.
They went from spending a few episodes struggling with what exactly to do, to cutting tons of people down left right and centre with 0 hesitation.
I think perhaps get him off the fence the way Rick did, but give him a shirt or bandage or something to try slow the bleed and shove him in one of the buildings next door and quickly put whatever in the way to barricade it a bit.
If he survives he survives - he probably won't make it back to his group or be allowed back in. If he does, he doesn't know where the group is.
If he doesn't make it, oh well, at least he wasn't left on the fence like pure live bait.
Def would have left him on the fence but as far as the farm part I would have voted to kill him and would have been right cause he showed his true colors when Shane let him free all excited to run back to them and bragging about how “it gets a little crazy”
From the perspective of the audience member I would have killed him on the fence, then if he did end up in the camp I would have wanted to get rid of him. I really didn’t trust him
Ignoring the fact that there was no realistic way to get him off the fence due to the enormous barbs that would have involved pulling his leg off... Fix him up, bag on head, take him to his camp and have a look. Until he says he knows maggie then would have to euthanise him.
Am I the only one who questioned if he really knew maggie or if he’d overheard enough to lie about it? They never asked maggie if she ever met this kid. Wouldn’t he also know beth because he said he was a few years younger than maggie?
When I decide do I have the knowledge of his story about the “real young, real cute” girls being raped in front of their dad? He and his group were a danger to all of them what other choice did they have really
Tbf I don't think he lied, he was in a moving car's trunk WITH HEADPHONES so he wouldn't hear anything plus even if he is lying they can't prove it since he said Maggie never acknowledged him
Randall would’ve stayed an ornament on that fence due to the fact that he just tried to kill us. Glenn said it best…
I think Shane was unequivocally right on this, for all his bluster.
Randall wasn't worth the fuel it took them to drive him out in the first place but assuming that killing was out of the question they should have ditched him where they took him to (where Rick and Shane properly fought for the first time)
There was literally no reason to keep him alive in a real world setting and take him off the fence, the old world rules don't apply and Rick was unrealistically naive and far too benevolent on this. He gives away his position in the bar and tries diplomacy with the same group of which two members are lying rightfully dead by his hand, he had no reason to assume diplomacy was worth even trying at that point, hence Hershel's reaction.
I am assuming this is after Daryl and Carl have talked to him and before the meeting, I would honestly want to do what Shane sort of did later on, give him the impression that someone from the group is breaking him out and wants to go with him to the other group(probably Shane to be honest), see how the conversation goes while Daryl and Rick follow them without Randall's knowledge but within hearing distance of their conversation and once it's confirmed that dude's a rapist, Shane can kill him since he had been advocating for that since the beginning.
I'd have just gotten Oswald Cobb to put a few caps in him
Yes I would’ve been for killing him.
After Randall told Daryl that he was with guys who made an older farmer watch as they assaulted his daughters, I knew he needed to be killed. Not only that, his entire vibe changes from innocent wounded boy to an ignorant asshole when Shane facades him into thinking he’s gonna join his group.
“You don’t gotta be so rough, you’re gonna like it with us, tough bunch of guys but you’ll fit right in”. As he’s fucking smiling at Shane. He knows what that group did. I wouldn’t be surprised if he took part in terrorizing that farmer family. That scene all but throws it in your face that he couldn’t care less. Fuck Randall.
I would have killed him momment he said he knew Maggie and her farm.
Honestly still to this day.I don't know if he was just a scared kid going along with the bad guys so they wouldn't be bad to him...
Or if he was just one of the bad ones himself.
Not worth the risk ...sorry kid.
Definitely one of the bad ones. Why was he protecting them? Daryl literally had to beat information out of him. If he was a scared kid going along with it, why was he not upfront with the group about the type of people his group were in the first place? Also when Shane was pretending to free him, he was talking about how much he’s gonna like the guys in his group.
Good points
Yeah i wonder that too since it would affect my decision of what to feel about him
Would’ve put him out of his misery on the fence
I would have mercy shot him on the fence. They put themselves in danger saving him, knowing bringing him back would have led to tough decisions.
He already tried to kill them. Fuck him. If we are skipping the above as an option then I would have shot him once back at the farm.
Very clearly just shoot the guy.
I think the only option was to execute him. He would run at any chance and I'm sure he would have killed or taken a hostage to get away if needed. I think they got his vibe and felt he wouldn't be able to fit into their group, no reformation. Rather than more beatings and being confined, as soon as he said he knew Maggie I'd have mercy killed him on the spot. I wouldn't of let him just gotten eaten. I get Rick still had some compassion but I was thinking why are you bringing him back.. There was know way this was going to go right. Every decision is so crucial in that world. Very little room for mistakes or misjudgement. Chain of events just not leaving Randall on the fence or at that Outpost were catastrophic..
That’s a hard one I wouldn’t want to kill him since he’s a kid and all but for the safety of the group I might have to but if there is a chance I would exile him
I actually felt sorry for him at first but then as time went on i didn’t and i would of let him on the fence
Kill him. Shane was right, randall was a liability and 100% would’ve gotten them killed. We know this because we seen this same type of situation over a hundred times later on the series and that’s why a lot of people continues to say “Shane was in season 5 mode” or “shane adapted quickly” Shane knew what that world had come too. Simple and knew what had to be done.
You can say ”ill spare him” and you are completely liable to do so, but when he goes back to his group & raids the farm, grapes the women, kill all the men then you’ll realize it was a mistake. Rick was naive. We live in an evil world, imagine if there weren’t any law. Heck, Randall admitted to Darryle that’s what his group did to people. Not taking my chances because I want to optimistic, all we have in this world is our family.
If they took him off the fence they should have left him 18 miles out, like the original plan.
I would’ve initially sided with Dale, Randall does seem pretty young. But I would’ve changed sides after he made that comment about what his group did to the girls.
Would have threw him to a walker pretending to let him go
I would've probably left him. Waste of supplies.
Left him on the fence, but shot him in the head from distance.
Left him to be eaten on the fence, sorry but I’ve got no sympathy for rapists. He was a huge threat because he knew of Maggie and more than likely had a solid idea of where the farm was
Let him go
As Dale said we shouldn’t be judge jury and executioner.
They were gonna let him go, what I say is they go twice the distance and dump him.
It’s really bothersome how 90% of this subreddit always choose the immoral decision
There’s an awful lot of Shanes around
When it's "us or them", I think that most people really would do these things.
I'm a single dad with two daughters, after hearing what his group did to another single dad and his two daughters, I wouldn't have had a problem with him dying.
Agreed
Enslave him. Lori needed someone to boss around
I agreed with Dale. I watched the episodes multiple times purposely to make sure I wasn’t crazy. They ended up saving his life just to beat the shit out of him, torture him, and plan to kill him anyways. The group was wrong in this situation. And of course he would have preferred his group of guys after Shane ended up supposedly leading him back to his group because all Rick group did was torture him. And I understand him knowing about Maggie being worried some, but that didn’t make him a bad person because of previous knowledge from before the apocalypse. Like Dale said, this is a young man’s life. I honestly would’ve rather had him in the group instead of Shane
Keep him as walker bait on the fence
Wouldn't have brought him to the farm in the first place😂
Would’ve left him on the fence
This is exactly it for me. I feel like I would've shot him in the head first if I wanted to help him, not take him to the farm. I personally would've felt that if I chose to bring him and fix him up, then the choice to let him live has already been made.
If you fix him up and he turns out to be a creep then that’s where his life stops
Well yeah, true. If he's a complete creep you can't let that go. I just meant what he was presenting.
End of scene. As soon as Herschel said it’d destroy his leg trying to lift him out. I’d left him to be a walker beacon and absconded
This is the answer. Good luck young man but your group just tried to kill us. You're on your own.
Same